Anniversary Game 2 - Moozik [MAFIA WIN]

[Sabiplz]

Everyone should know you can highlight-quote instead of quoting a long wall only to respond to a tiny portion smh

Only learning about this feature my 8th game

[Sabiplz]

Anyway 7. I do have theories that mafia tend to throw one these one liners at partners to make it appear they look good if they flip as a form of distancing but this theory relies on hk flipping w which would drive up quas w equity in my eyes. Disregard if either flip town first.

This is a great point. I was thinking I'd take a gander at LQ after my initial four ISOs, but I might do theirs sooner.

Back to 5. I think it's weird he hasn't found anyone scummy after pressuring valentine earlier to not move his vote off me. It's going to be pretty lazy and scummy if him to keep resorting to me snowing him our last game to vote me even if he Durant believe he scumreads me

I agree. Meta-reads on D1 aren't usually something to stick to until EOD, in my opinion. He did say he doesn't see where a town-read on Zeus is coming from. Hopefully he'll elaborate on that.

I di agree with his observations on dz. He's very much in his wolf range. Even tho I had a half ass reasoning to first vote him, there hasn't been anything to make me stop furthering sring him.

[falcon45ca]

I’m hoping Strawhenge is town because they are recapping peoples ISOs so I don’t have to read the game.

Mvp

I don't like that strategy.

People can manipulate iso wall post cases to fit their agenda. Not mention things or over mention things or just purposely misread things.

I rather you read the iso themselves.

Yeah I was being sarcastic. I live with too much paranoia to trust other people’s opinion of the game

Why does it feel like, despite your stated paranoia, you're reserved/reticent/reluctant/restrained...as tho engaging the game is a lot of effort?



I'd think paranoid town would be, well...trying to root out the source of their paranoia?




IE, scum hunt

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: DOOM] aubergine

[Sabiplz]

Hello @Mungbean and @pyxxy

Would like you both to participate uwu

[Sabiplz]

I’m hoping Strawhenge is town because they are recapping peoples ISOs so I don’t have to read the game.

Mvp

I don't like that strategy.

People can manipulate iso wall post cases to fit their agenda. Not mention things or over mention things or just purposely misread things.

I rather you read the iso themselves.

Yeah I was being sarcastic. I live with too much paranoia to trust other people’s opinion of the game

So why say it at all? Why haven't you stated any opinions? Most of your content is about egaming and how people are producing verbose reads and asking when will you engage with the game?

[Valentine]

i think the last time i played with iawy i said he had weirdfeels and that i couldnt describe why but i thought if he was like vaguely townyish/fine he was maybe a wolf actually

he was, actually, a wolf

So where does that put me in this game? What's the follow-up to this comment to connect it to the current goings-on?

Good meowning

it doesn't actually put you anywhere but it jogged my memory and i felt it was like. pertinent to share even if i feel it slants towards negative for you potentially im not... connecting the dots rn

[Valentine]

town
chelsea
daughterofomega
strawhenge

townm..?
falcon45ca
hollowkatt
risiinq
schiavetto

meh
coliniscool
creature
deezees
iba
inawordyes
petit
lordquas
mungbean
thefloyd73
windwardaway

...meh...
cape90
guillotine
nutella
pyxxy
sabiplz

this is based almost entirely on vibez and scraps of memories

[Sabiplz]

town
chelsea
daughterofomega
strawhenge

townm..?
falcon45ca
hollowkatt
risiinq
schiavetto

meh
coliniscool
creature
deezees
iba
inawordyes
petit
lordquas
mungbean
thefloyd73
windwardaway

...meh...
cape90
guillotine
nutella
pyxxy
sabiplz

this is based almost entirely on vibez and scraps of memories

How is daughter omega town? Can you explain that read.

[Strawhenge]

ISO: @Inawordyes

1. stinkface.gif. But for real, it did feel forced to me. I like their response to my take, though. Tiny scumdar ping nullified for now.

2. I kind of like this response to Cape90 saying IAWY is town. I feel like scum try to avoid remarking on someone's townread of them, and not only does IAWY make a remark, but they smelled something weird about the take and challenged it. Gambity as hell if scum.

3. However I don't really like the Falcon read here. IAWY drops the 'awkward' word (the awk-word? [thinking emoji]) about Falcon's OP. IAWY then pivots and concedes to having 'jumped the gun' on the read, prompting them to give a second readthrough, which they admit makes Falcon not 'read as bad now'. The guns that IAWY sticks to, however, have to be taken with several grains of salt, given that it's based on Falcon's posting activity / thread presence. Given the later angel-shooting discussion, I'm of a mind to believe that IAWY was playing the game as they're accustomed to, and have genuine concerns. Just, in context on the Syndicate, it doesn't make for a compelling take on Falcon.

4. Despite Item #2 in my list, IAWY does seem a little preoccupied with how others perceive them. They do it again, with Valentine again, here. It's interesting that there are two separate times when IAWY is directly trying to get Valentine to state their opinion of IAWY.

5. I don't know how to interpret this. Do you actually mean you don't like the fact that there's a sarc tag? That people need to use it less? How do I parse this. What does anything mean. I'm adrift on a still and moonless ocean.

6. Question for @Inawordyes: You say there's 'a difference between when [Val's vibe] is coming from a wolfy place and when it's townie'. What is that difference? I also get null/town-leaning vibes on Val, but I'm curious how you make the distinction.

7. I should have mentioned this in the hollowkatt iso, but this interaction between IAWY and hollowkatt is interesting. I'm having trouble articulating why, and this is purely a gut/vibe thing, but I could see this being two scummates passing in the night. A w/w interaction, in the parlance of the arena. Reiteration: purely gut, and not really based on anything.

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TL;DR, There are some funky things about IAWY so far, but I think that's all coming down to differences in playstyle. The whole angel-shooting thing is highly indicative that they are used to a different mafia environment, and that's something I can empathize with. My read is almost perfectly null: town pings are balanced with scum pings.

[Strawhenge]

I have to not stare at a screen for a bit. I'll be back later.

[WindwardAway]

Oh this is absolutely karma that I've missed 15 pages of posts
I'm at a party soon but I'll pop in when I can, and save the catchup for later. Hype though, this is gonna be fun!

WINDWARD!!!!

Whenever you catch up I would love to know your thots.

Also hopefully you are town.

Honestly I'm surprised I didn't see any other comments on my post till here lol
I'm town and I'm also drunk so just popping in and checking the thread
I think I'm missing context on the conversations that are ongoing tho

[Sabiplz]

Oh this is absolutely karma that I've missed 15 pages of posts
I'm at a party soon but I'll pop in when I can, and save the catchup for later. Hype though, this is gonna be fun!

WINDWARD!!!!

Whenever you catch up I would love to know your thots.

Also hopefully you are town.

Honestly I'm surprised I didn't see any other comments on my post till here lol
I'm town and I'm also drunk so just popping in and checking the thread
I think I'm missing context on the conversations that are ongoing tho

Drink some water and eat toast. When should you be back in the thread because by the time you wake up we will be halfway thru D1?

[Valentine]

How is daughter omega town? Can you explain that read.

i don't really get the sense daughter... has a lot of stake in what happens? like it's early on but she's just posting and living her best life. there's no urgency to establish herself

[Cape90]

@Cape90 uh don't make reads based off ate, it's something I have been working on and it's all NAI since I ate equally in both alignments. I really don't like reads based off that esp when I'm trying to curb it in my games.

Please and ty

Okay, and I am sorry for saying this as i had no idea about this. I will just keep it at I do not know your mafia habits versus your town habits. Can you tell me what you do in mafia games as mafia versus town?

[Cape90]

BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P

BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P

Are you running up the hills to say that?

Anyway what is your wincon if you're 3p and what was your intentions of posting this?

My wincon is to learn what people’s roles are or something. My intentions of posting this were to see what would happen

oh... okay?

I mean If you are gonna make that easier

[Cape90]

i really really dont know how to feel about cape putting me at top tr esp because i was about to get pocketed by that before i recovered and went like nononnono xD

like to be completely fair i dont think my first few posts were super duper obvtown me (ive become worse at obvtowning unfortunately) and like i was short on time and just trying to post some stuff to be able to get involved in the thread and not get left behind

i have played w/ them tho as v/v so. eh

I know you haven't posted much, but you seem more obvious to me at least then a lot of other people, like a good 80% of my light town are mostly people I do not feel to sure about. But like when you post the least amount of things and I can townread almost every single post you make, I do not have reason not to I suppose.

My intention was not to pocket a person who was voting me or whatever, it was how I felt looking at your logs.

[Cape90]

Anyway you seem town. Would be nice if you notice my many posts that aren't "surface level pressure" but for one thing my schia read was not surface level as I explained it later and for another bouncing off things other people notice (like on creature) is just how i play as town and you should know that @Cape90 you too

I do not have fresh meta of how you play as town, we have only played in a mash scenario and in a game like that, it's easy to ignore each other's metas

[Sabiplz]

How is daughter omega town? Can you explain that read.

i don't really get the sense daughter... has a lot of stake in what happens? like it's early on but she's just posting and living her best life. there's no urgency to establish herself

How is not posting any thoughts about the game towny tho? I would assume the lack of stake is wolf motivated.

I am not getting how any of this is legitimate read

[Cape90]

BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P

...we just ignoring this or

siren.gif

I'm rusty on my mafia role lore; are there third-parties that aren't anti-town? Why would Colin just come out and claim third-party?

unless it's lingo and he's saying 'threep' aka 'threap' which means 'to scold; chide'

Well the thing is, it is described to be basically a role that benefits from role-fishing

I do find it dz catch up pretty shallow and he's still very much in his wolf range.

The fact he won't be around for 24 hours doesn't help either because I want to pressure him.

I do indeed agree with this as coming off his catch up, that is what I thought.

My point on Guillotine I was trying to make, is it felt like I had to pressure Guillotine into making the explanation for why DZ/Le petit were w/w when I feel like I wouldn't normally need to do so.

[pyxxy]

D1 feelings so far, about half way through the phase:

groups ordered alphabetically

no idea:
Chelsea
ColinIsCool
DaughterOfOmega
IBA
Le petit poussin
Mungbean (tasty food tho)
TheFloyd73
WindwardAway

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strong town:

good vibes:
Cape90
hollowkatt
nutella (also tasty)
risiinq-
Schiavetto
Strawhenge

unsure:
DeeZees
falcon45ca
Guillotine
LordQuas
Sabiplz
Valentine

bad vibes:
Creature
Inawordyes
pyxxy (is where I would put myself rn)

hooting and hollering:

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Fyi I'm moving this weekend but I'm still registered as a resident of lurk city so please expect my behavior to continue ty and hope everyone is having a great weekend so far.

I said, "Better late than never / Just don't make me wait forever"

[Valentine]

How is daughter omega town? Can you explain that read.

i don't really get the sense daughter... has a lot of stake in what happens? like it's early on but she's just posting and living her best life. there's no urgency to establish herself

How is not posting any thoughts about the game towny tho? I would assume the lack of stake is wolf motivated.

I am not getting how any of this is legitimate read

daughter's posted a few but they're peppered in.

i'm ... kind of confused how you don't think this is legitimate because the logic feels apparent to me? wolf need to control gamestate to push lims. if person not exerting tons of pressure, and they're not like, prone to completely freezing/inept at posting as wolf, is more likely to be town.

like i don't even feel like it's coasting because daughter is being more blatant about it. "when will i post game related post." is the motivation as a wolf saying something like that to just be... a cheeky, aloof wolf? it doesn't really sit with me as something i believe in.

[hollowkatt]

guillo, rask, iawy, sabi, among others are giving me good vibes at the moment

why Iawy and sabi? (like guillo seems in his town range to me, but sabi wasn't particularly as of this post, and Iawy's push on pixxy was lol, so what did u see?)

I will catch up in like 6 hours or so (friendos at home rn), but I saw this so @hollowkatt.

[unvote]Deezees[/unvote]

iawy - comfortably in the uncomfortable town zone and by that I mean when iawy is semi-struggling to get into the thread and dig up meat he's more likely than not to be town. I also like the angles he's approaching things with even if I don't agree with them as I feel like it shows a depth of concern over the game that he wouldn't otherwise show.

sabi - this is a gut read I'm making, it's really based on nothing at all but vibes and feelings. That is to say I don't get the same vibe of tone and approach that Sabi had during the last game here.

[Valentine]

mmmm

weirdvibes from sabi asking me about that right after putting her at the bottom of my list without trying to interact with me about herself.

[falcon45ca]

How is daughter omega town? Can you explain that read.

i don't really get the sense daughter... has a lot of stake in what happens? like it's early on but she's just posting and living her best life. there's no urgency to establish herself

How is not posting any thoughts about the game towny tho? I would assume the lack of stake is wolf motivated.

I am not getting how any of this is legitimate read

daughter's posted a few but they're peppered in.

i'm ... kind of confused how you don't think this is legitimate because the logic feels apparent to me? wolf need to control gamestate to push lims. if person not exerting tons of pressure, and they're not like, prone to completely freezing/inept at posting as wolf, is more likely to be town.

like i don't even feel like it's coasting because daughter is being more blatant about it. "when will i post game related post." is the motivation as a wolf saying something like that to just be... a cheeky, aloof wolf? it doesn't really sit with me as something i believe in.

No they don't.



If wolves went for that strat, well they'd lose a lot more often....just lynch those with gamestate control.

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt

1. hollowkat's first handful of posts are pretty playful. '#obligatory' rando-vote on LPP, razzing the drunk guy, having the correct opinion on uwu speak, hating music to the point where I would encourage them to make an RYM account, etc. Being playful on D1—especially within hours of the start of the game—is largely null. I've seen town and scum behave in exactly the same way.

2. See, but then, couched in the playfulness is a post I already commented on: 'yeah sure you can be town why not' in response to Valentine. This is a light scumdar ping. A very light scumdar ping—the breath of a whisper of a memory of a dream of a feathery little kiss of a scumdar ping. In context it aligns with hollowkat's playful presentation. But there's an air of confidence there that I have trouble ignoring. Again: an extremely light scumdar ping.

3. Votes Creature, 'for reasons I refuse to explain'. This is interesting because this comes after the posts where Creature overcame his boredom and started discussing things. If this is a joke/rando vote, it's oddly timed.

4. The response to IAWY's Falcon read feels like an analytical town response. I would challenge it with a question for @hollowkatt: What's your read on Zeus? So far, your only mention of Zeus is that '[drinking] usually makes [him] funnier', and that, 'petit/zeus not w/w'.

5. I'm not loving the meta suspicion of Sabi. I have historically been guilty of meta-sussing players (hi JJJ), and it has never really served the game. This doesn't make me lean town or scum for hollowkatt, but I'm putting a pin in it.

6. can only imagine dragons siren.gif siren.gif siren.gif

7. This LordQuas-blindness is weird to me. As hollowkatt mentions, LQ had 35 posts in the thread by that point, and there were plenty game-related ones in those 35. They then concede that they haven't been backreading. For a Syndicate game with 12 pages at the time of that post, not backreading isn't necessarily a sign of disengagement and laziness, so I don't have an alignment read on it. I just think it's bizarre that hollowkatt just didn't 'recognize and read' any of LQ's nearly-three-dozen posts up until that point.

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TL;DR I'm mostly getting a null read on hollowkatt with just a, whew, just a dust particle of a thought of a dream of a zephyr of a whiff of scumdar ping. Possibly 3P? Not going to lean scum, but I'm definitely gonna keep my eye on hollowkatt, man.

I'm town leaning zeus at the moment. His early play was NAI which is why I was focusing my questions towards iawy more on what he thinks of Zeus based on the Falcon read he was making rather than talking more about Falcon. The way Raskol (Petit) and Zeus were interacting early indicated to me that they were not partnered.

Anything else you wanna know?

[hollowkatt]

I keep seeing people mentioning Quas in some way and I keep not reading a single Quas post. hmm

prolly hard to get a read on me if you aren't reading my posts

the fact that you have 35 posts in topic and this is the first I've recognized and read says something about one of us

vibe tell vibe tell

that's a secret tool that can help us later

[Valentine]

[VOTE: sabiplz] aubergine

[pyxxy]

mmmm

weirdvibes from sabi asking me about that right after putting her at the bottom of my list without trying to interact with me about herself.

sabi is they/them

[falcon45ca]

Valentine, talk to us about your scum reads. Can you give us a couple blurbs as to why for each?




Cuz' ya got a fair number of names.

[Valentine]

oops :c sorry @ sabi

[Valentine]

Valentine, talk to us about your scum reads. Can you give us a couple blurbs as to why for each?




Cuz' ya got a fair number of names.

after i done gaming but it will not be much

[Cape90]

1. The Rando Votes. Creature's first post in the game was to vote nutella. At this point Nutella has only posted once, so this is obviously a random vote move on the part of Creature. Random votes right out of the gate are null. But then Creature re-votes for Raskolnikov. Again in rando-vote fashion: with no explanation. However in context it's noteworthy that this revote comes three minutes after votes Creature, and a little less than an hour after hollowkatt rando-votes Raskolnikov. The timing of that feels very off to me, like Creature could be trying to look like a fun-lovin freewheelin towny makin joke votes, but not the kind of joke votes that could spark conversation.

I think that all the points brought up here are very towny to point out because not only is there Creature's naked votes, there is also explanation of the context behind these votes.

2. Defensiveness. Creature's first game-related comment is 'Oh well shit', in response to Sabi pointing out that people scumread Creature (and Falcon) for popping in and dipping out. After another indifference post (I'll get to that in the next item), Sabi prods Creature for comment and he says '[...] Pushing falcon and me for dipping off is a pretty lazy thing to do and strikes as wolf scared to make enemies active in-thread.'. It's not as hollow as a straight-up parroting, but it does echo Sabi's post that basically points out the same fallacy. To me, this reads as a little too defensive for something that had already been shot down as angel-shooting (if I'm using the term correctly).

The first point is it is worth noting that Creature highlighted I think exactly what he was responding too in orange. It is in IAWY's post.
I suppose Creature did parrot basically what Sabi said in his next post.

3. Indifference. I already said as much, but I'm not loving the, 'idk you're all boring me' approach. I've already been informed that this is just Creature Creaturing, but my scumdar pings with the lowkey aggro aloofness approach. I just can't get into the mindset of being town and telling my potential teammates this without contributing anything myself. He later claims that he's going to '[...] prob spend this night reading books [...]', reinforcing his outward boredom with this game. Two minutes later he says, 'You all got no thoughts on players who have been actually posting?' This is on Page 7 of the thread, at which point there has been plenty of discussion about players who have actually posted. What's most noteworthy here is that these indifference posts are interlaced with the defensive posts I mentioned in the previous item. The 'Oh well shit' at the angel shooting, then indifference, then 'nobody's talking about anything', then responding to Sabi by basically telling them what they had already said. The combination of items 2 and 3 are scummy to me.

I don't really have a whole lot to say about this, I just think it's a point that people have already not liked Creature on. Though I haven't before noticed the comment about the whole You all got no thoughts on players who have been actually posting? before which definitely does not feel like town!Creature to me because unlike some of his other posts, there is no inkling of Creature actually reading the game here.

3.1. Following his indifference, it's interesting that he attacked me for, 'complaining about the thread being active.' This, from the guy who said, 'idk you're all boring me' and saying he was going to go read.

To be fair, slightly scummy on your end.

4. I don't know what to make of this with regards to alignment, but this is interesting. Creature says hi to pyxxy, and asks, 'Got something?' As of the time of writing, pyxxy has yet to post in the game. Pyxxy isn't @'ed in the post either. Did Creature see that pyxxy was online? I can't put my finger on it, but this is odd to me.

Just to answer your question, yes, this was literally discussed multiple times and I am surprised with how much digging around you did for point 1 that you failed to see this.

5. This little read list pings my scumdar a little. I'll reiterate that I have no experience with Creature, so this might be his style, but saying one player (Le pitit) feels 'awkward', another player (IAWY) feels 'weird', and '[not knowing] what to make out of nutella' feels like a very soft and unengaged post—especially in context with the rest of his posts. Then he walks back his thought on IAWY in a similar fasion, then casts a for Valentine.

Let's back up to a post between the reads list as you call it, and the vote on Valentine. Creature asks Sabi about what they thought of le petit/Valentine. Sabi responds with saying they aren't a fan of le petit making reads off rvs fluff and they are giving Valentine time til mid day 1. But this might not have been enough to rock the boat. This is where falcon comes in. Falcon makes these two posts right before Creature votes off Valentine before any of the other people that Creature has audibly voiced suspicion on.

[falcon45ca]

Valentine, talk to us about your scum reads. Can you give us a couple blurbs as to why for each?




Cuz' ya got a fair number of names.

after i done gaming but it will not be much

That's fine, I'm not asking for more than a sentence or two on each plz

[hollowkatt]

cape is obvs town btw

[Strawhenge]

3.1. Following his indifference, it's interesting that he attacked me for, 'complaining about the thread being active.' This, from the guy who said, 'idk you're all boring me' and saying he was going to go read.

To be fair, slightly scummy on your end.

How? There were 7 pages in two hours of the game being open, and it's scummy to comment on that? I wasn't even complaining; it was just a whoa.

4. I don't know what to make of this with regards to alignment, but this is interesting. Creature says hi to pyxxy, and asks, 'Got something?' As of the time of writing, pyxxy has yet to post in the game. Pyxxy isn't @'ed in the post either. Did Creature see that pyxxy was online? I can't put my finger on it, but this is odd to me.

Just to answer your question, yes, this was literally discussed multiple times and I am surprised with how much digging around you did for point 1 that you failed to see this.

Just a peek behind the curtain: I tend to write these lists more-or-less as I read ISOs in chronological order. And as far as I saw, pyxxy's online status was discussed multiple times with regards to IAWY, not Creature. My point was that Creature did this after the discussion about angel-shooting.

Let's back up to a post between the reads list as you call it, and the vote on Valentine. Creature asks Sabi about what they thought of le petit/Valentine. Sabi responds with saying they aren't a fan of le petit making reads off rvs fluff and they are giving Valentine time til mid day 1. But this might not have been enough to rock the boat. This is where falcon comes in. Falcon makes these two posts right before Creature votes off Valentine before any of the other people that Creature has audibly voiced suspicion on.

I'm missing your point here.

[Sabiplz]

D1 feelings so far, about half way through the phase:

groups ordered alphabetically

no idea:
Chelsea
ColinIsCool
DaughterOfOmega
IBA
Le petit poussin
Mungbean (tasty food tho)
TheFloyd73
WindwardAway

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strong town:

good vibes:
Cape90
hollowkatt
nutella (also tasty)
risiinq-
Schiavetto
Strawhenge

unsure:
DeeZees
falcon45ca
Guillotine
LordQuas
Sabiplz
Valentine

bad vibes:
Creature
Inawordyes
pyxxy (is where I would put myself rn)

hooting and hollering:

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Fyi I'm moving this weekend but I'm still registered as a resident of lurk city so please expect my behavior to continue ty and hope everyone is having a great weekend so far.

I said, "Better late than never / Just don't make me wait forever"

Are we finally town together in a game after so many months?

[Sabiplz]

How is daughter omega town? Can you explain that read.

i don't really get the sense daughter... has a lot of stake in what happens? like it's early on but she's just posting and living her best life. there's no urgency to establish herself

How is not posting any thoughts about the game towny tho? I would assume the lack of stake is wolf motivated.

I am not getting how any of this is legitimate read

daughter's posted a few but they're peppered in.

i'm ... kind of confused how you don't think this is legitimate because the logic feels apparent to me? wolf need to control gamestate to push lims. if person not exerting tons of pressure, and they're not like, prone to completely freezing/inept at posting as wolf, is more likely to be town.

like i don't even feel like it's coasting because daughter is being more blatant about it. "when will i post game related post." is the motivation as a wolf saying something like that to just be... a cheeky, aloof wolf? it doesn't really sit with me as something i believe in.

There's different wolfing styles. Those who don't have clout usually lurk in the shadows and not make waves. Daughter doesn't seem like the type to have much thread clout so why bring attention to themselves?

Bringing it up constantly that they themselves don't have content is peak self conscious wolf that I don't see town mentioning in the thread about.

Just my take

[Sabiplz]

mmmm

weirdvibes from sabi asking me about that right after putting her at the bottom of my list without trying to interact with me about herself.

Why would I interact with you about putting me in the bottom? Just because I'm on the bottom I shouldn't question the daughter read. Literally talks about daughter lack of content before you posted the reads list hence why I questioned your tr of them.

Your arms must hurt from reaching for any reason to sr me.

[Guillotine]

This is TMI, maybe. DrZeus/Petit might be w/w

[VOTE: Guillotina] aubergine

No chance you believe this read

do u think the read itself is ridiculous or guillo making this read is ridiculous??

cuz ive seen guillo do this a ton

Guillo finding hidden meaning in seemingly simple things is nothing new. But this seemed a tad overboard. Plus this marked Guillo's first bit of content this game and I just do not see the fire right now

I've said this before and I'll say it again: Guillo without fire is wolf guillo.
Wolf guillo wants to cause chaos and get his pack deeper but he doesn't want to get drawn into knock down fights. Town guillo otoh plays a much more freestyle and "aggro-adjacent" game that gets under peoples skin and makes them do weird things to counter him.

That's the best way I've found to catch wolf guillo. Look for controlled chaos and pushes that seem feisty but lack the underlying fire

You know me too well.

We spend a lot of time in and out of games together. You also know me well.

Hmmm yeah and yet Im never confident in reading you correctly though, i dont think ive ever have. You are very good at faking town tone as scum and ive fallen for it a few times. I think the best way to find you is how your scum buddies treat you or the lack of trestment.

[DaughterOfOmega]

im so tired

[Cape90]

Cape is a very strong player. Here he has looked quite solid, giving reads on a wide range of players with some amount of depth and originality. I don't think that's out of his wolf range by any means.

Probably correct, though I consider myself better at playing town then mafia, and this is coming from someone who got voted out 2 times day 1 in my last 2 Syndicate games as town, while I curbstomped everyone while I was mafia somehow.

I of course did not like how he jumped on Chelsea's push of me. I don't recall him giving any take on me prior, correct me if I missed it, but it felt like he tagged along with Chelsea pointing out that I had weak pushes early on

1. Incorrect, I gave this very questionable read about you

just only off topic chat. it kinda comes from a time when people weren't like always hanging out in a discord together and mafia games were the primary site of social interaction

Thats quite nice i guess.

Must have made for some. ..... nutty....moments

[VOTE: deez] aubergine

oh DeeZees is Dr Zeus? dude what happened you used to be funny

he randed mafia

DZ might be right in saying this is a decent look

At least not mafia

Like I made the post about you voting DZ over a pun in RVS like come on.

2. I really don't think it's that hard too see but with reads like #114, #170, #199 (in fact the whole Creature push felt like pocketing Sabi's read). And then there is #339 which just feels like pocketing risinnq now? A lot of these things stuck out to me in terms of you, and to me, I would figure a better player would bring up better arguments to why people are mafia. I get wanting momentum and stuff out of RVS, it's just never my preferred approach in doing so, it feels like pushing LHF for the sake of it which I wouldn't expect a player of your or Quas' caliber to do. Also Quas has the whole thing of being very different to his mash self this game.

He didn't follow up with a vote despite it landing me on the bottom of his reads list in 674, with a very noncommittal handwave of my early DZ read (not one of the ones Chelsea cared about afaik, so at least he's contributing something new but it feels forced especially since that was pretty inconsequential first-page stuff). He is self-aware of his hedginess and I actually kind of like that when it appears in his posts. I can relate.

I just started looking a lot elsewhere, also I wanted to write that readslist at the same time I also really wanted to sleep, so that sure didn't help me go into great detail on everyone, you can tell the first one I did was risinnq-.

But I particularly found IAWY's placement in that same readlist peculiar as the description sounded almost on the same level as the one of me.

Like yes he says "towny sometimes" while the only positive in my blurb is that he "liked the bluntness" but this really goes nowhere. He goes on to state that several things from IAWY are either NAI or underwhelming. Which has about the same level of neutrality as most of the blurb about me except that he was able to latch onto Chelsea's push.

The use of "sometimes" was a good hint I was getting tired and didn't wanna actually detail the read. The missing puzzle piece here that distinguishes my read on you versus my read on IAWY was me kind of liking the over-explanation on his falcon vote as opposed to everyone else and I just didn't state it because I had already mentioned that and didn't feel the need to repeat (though it probably would have been good too repeat because stand alone it's confusing).

Rereading the list most of the other placements make sense but this felt so arbitrary to me. If Cape is mafia and knows I'm not, he knows that I'm usually not a very easy push, but the Chelsea pressure may have opened the door to me being a feasible target.

I will just say this, if you are mafia nutella, you just spewed Chelsea as town after you flip.

However the primary thought in my head is actually not the idea that Cape/IAWY are w/w. It's actually that Cape is 3P. Cape may very well actually think I am mafia if so. This is a very egotistical part of the read but it's what led me there -- as mafia he'd be less likely to pressure me, because given my meta/reputation if he knows I'm not mafia I am likely to post myself clear. And he brought up 3P factions which is classically >rand 3p lol. I would generally rather hunt mafia primarily over 3p but with 3 of them I don't think we should gloss over their existence.

Counterpoint, the town game I immediately brought up SK on

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2426

I suppose you can counter counter point that and say I literally said this because originally I flipped mafia and had this thought as mafia as I was reading setup, but the game got reranded. OFC I didn't say this as the game was going on cuz duh, but I did get suspicion for that.

2. sirengif © me 2014. Hey @Cape90 what makes you think there are three third parties?

Read the first post of the game, there lies your answers.

I noticed it because I was looking for what time the game even starts, reread the thing about 20 times before actually seeing it since it was implied at the bottom

This is my explanation for why I noticed this in this game. I am assuming because of this, there are benign 3p which makes me not want to kill Colin for instance.

Maybe this thoughtdump is all nothing and he's town and I'm hedging on that way more in my head but I wanted to get this out there. The IAWY part is kind of a separate thing I tagged on because I haven't loved his thread position and it could fit. I think both Cape and IAWY are getting townreads for simply writing a lot of words and I want to push back on that.

I don't expect this post to be very popular, I don't have a strong conclusion, he could just be town and this is all spitballing. But fuck it I'm hitting post.

I am town, but I think it's stupid to think that a game solving post being posted would be for nothing. But this is my answer to your post so.

Also to be fair to you, towny post.

[Cape90]

Town pile
Chelsea
DeeZees
falcon45ca
LordQuas
risiinq-
Schiavetto
Strawhenge
Valentine

Talk to me a little bit more about DZ/Valentine here.

I get your other scumreads

[Guillotine]

I like Strawhedge's #464 post, even if I think the reasonings behind like their Valentine suspicion and IAWY suspicion are pretty funny reasons for scumreading someone. No idea if it's normal for them but I know it's normal for some people. But the post does show a level of thinking independantly

[VOTE: LordQuas] aubergine

For now, I just liked Guillo's response to me in #461, it is like Okay now I believe that Guillo believes what they are saying. The lack of further shade from Guillo, or the lack of Guillo shading me for it and instead explaining his POV to me is something that does ping me as a little un-Guillotina like, like I expected a loud OMGUS but whatever.

This feels like you were expecting me to go aggro on you like that is permanent part of my play style, it is not, im only aggro when you give me a reason to and it’s part of my personality, it’s NAI. If you piss me off i’ll go ham on your regardless of my alignment.

[IBA]

This is entirely too many posts for this thread to have at this point

[Guillotine]

Every single post nutella makes seems like "what's a post that looks surface level bad that I can push"

Every single post?

Show me

[falcon45ca]

Re: iawy, it could just be that I strongly disagree with his reasoning on falcon and won't see eye to eye there, but I really didn't like how he retroactively justified it. He seemed to select falcon as LHF, then when it was pointed out to him that falcon was not just devoid of content he backpedaled and pulled something out of the content he could justify as a wolf read (and it was little more than "he omgused dz") that I find it hard to believe he really believes in. I'd like to see IAWY engage in more depth with other slots and react organically to developments rather than sticking his feet in one outdated push.

As a side note falcon and chelsea are possibly my two top town atm and I hope they don't clog the thread arguing

I actually found that towny...I feel Maf would've backed off, rather than double down on the read

[falcon45ca]

This is entirely too many posts for this thread to have at this point

How many were you expecting?

[IBA]

3.1. Following his indifference, it's interesting that he attacked me for, 'complaining about the thread being active.' This, from the guy who said, 'idk you're all boring me' and saying he was going to go read.

To be fair, slightly scummy on your end.

How? There were 7 pages in two hours of the game being open, and it's scummy to comment on that? I wasn't even complaining; it was just a whoa.

why weren't you complaining? It's bullshit

[Guillotine]

Just because im new to some people it does not mean im someone you can try to pick on. Im a mothafucking shark and i bite hard.

Do I know you? Remember the name

Or did I just play with you on MU after my ban?

I think i’ve seen you at Mafia Cafe.