Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[Chamomile]

I think Wisp is town from the first page of his ISO. He got right into scumhunting and giving thoughts. There's no awkwardness as if he is having to think about what to say. Onto Santy.

And no this fast read on Wisp when I generally am paranoid is not a result of TMI.

[arogame123]

@arogame123 if you can talk to me about your Wisp read too, and the progression. It was the first thing it bothered me. The lack of paranoia and level of confidence in stating it. Didnt feel real to me. So I want to know which meta are you using, and how have you been reading them.

Wisp became kind of a wagon now too so I want to know your thoughts on that

Well I’ve stated that it’s a town lean and to call me not having paranoi on his slot isn’t true lol.

Like it’s not a confident town read persay.

I’m using the meta of them being “prideful” as mafia and here they haven’t really touched up on it at all and haven’t discredited certain meta reads against them. As mafia, they did that a lot and also were amping up their “pride” for their mafia game and seemed more upset when it was slandered. I also discussed this with ender from last night.

[Millium]

I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Rondo, Neon

not anymore, Rondo we dropped into their slight scumreads I believe

[Alison]

Alison’s take that I am shading her while voting someone else above her is just so inaccurate and I can’t believe she’d think that based on my content prior.

Not once have I actually attempted to get votes on her and haven’t even placed a significant amount of shade on her.

its also a bit disingenuous to argue, "get votes one me when im not around", which is wholly irrelevant

It is because mafia strongly prefer to get votes on me when I am not around because they don't want me to abruptly town it up and get them killed. There is a strong trend where mafia who try to get me voted do it more often when I'm not around and town who wrongly read me do it whenever they want.

[arogame123]

I think Wisp is town from the first page of his ISO. He got right into scumhunting and giving thoughts. There's no awkwardness as if he is having to think about what to say. Onto Santy.

And no this fast read on Wisp when I generally am paranoid is not a result of TMI.

Boom, unless seven/wisp are w/w, I’m a god and now I’m getting my confidence back again woot woot.

I think a mafia flip today will do wonders to solidify a towncore that’s been hovering around for today.

[Alison]

I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Rondo, Neon

not anymore, Rondo we dropped into their slight scumreads I believe

Then Rondo goes into upper POE.

[Millium]

@arogame123 if you can talk to me about your Wisp read too, and the progression. It was the first thing it bothered me. The lack of paranoia and level of confidence in stating it. Didnt feel real to me. So I want to know which meta are you using, and how have you been reading them.

Wisp became kind of a wagon now too so I want to know your thoughts on that

Well I’ve stated that it’s a town lean and to call me not having paranoi on his slot isn’t true lol.

Like it’s not a confident town read persay.

I’m using the meta of them being “prideful” as mafia and here they haven’t really touched up on it at all and haven’t discredited certain meta reads against them. As mafia, they did that a lot and also were amping up their “pride” for their mafia game and seemed more upset when it was slandered. I also discussed this with ender from last night.

honestly I've never seen a wolf Alison game, so idk what differences exist
maybe send me one that i can read over night

[Alison]

arogame being incredibly defensive when called mafia by someone who has no vote is noted by the way.

[santygrass]

@Tilgarial I have read mostly all the game . Thing is I could have easily skipped parts in catch-up. Like , aro made some long posts that felt over-explainy that i just severely skimmed ehe. Like, In my brain I skipped the Neon townread they had mostly because lf that interaction I remember aro/ender trying to appease themselves into a blocc with Mac , that also had Neon. Probably I should reread those interactions because Ender also said that they felt better about aro there, and to see how much of a thought aro puts in the Neon townreads there (In my brain I remember aro complaining on not seeing the towny in Neon and then voting, so I want to see how they accept the townblocc read on Neon to see if the progression is legit)

[arogame123]

arogame being incredibly defensive when called mafia by someone who has no vote is noted by the way.

I mean I won’t let you spin a false narrative lol

[Millium]

a lot of people get defensive regardless, but u also threatened to shoot them lmao
but that shouldn't mean anything given your early claim

its almost a meme to claim a vig shot at any point in the game

[Alison]

arogame being incredibly defensive when called mafia by someone who has no vote is noted by the way.

I mean I won’t let you spin a false narrative lol

Good, because I'm spinning a true one.

[Alison]

a lot of people get defensive regardless, but u also threatened to shoot them lmao
but that shouldn't mean anything given your early claim

its almost a meme to claim a vig shot at any point in the game

If he doesn't believe the claim then it doesn't matter.

If he does believe the claim then arguing with me has even less point and he should just be focused on organizing his legacy for when he flips green.

[Millium]

has alison never played with Rondo before?

[Alison]

I have been calling aro/wisp mafia buddies for the entire game and the two of them appearing to tag team me with bad arguments after I call out aro is extremely suspicious.

[Alison]

has alison never played with Rondo before?

I have.

[arogame123]

arogame being incredibly defensive when called mafia by someone who has no vote is noted by the way.

I mean I won’t let you spin a false narrative lol

Good, because I'm spinning a true one.

Quote the posts then and illustrate where I did.

Because otherwise, this is a false claim that I don’t want people to blindly read and accept without reading the facts

[Millium]

a lot of people get defensive regardless, but u also threatened to shoot them lmao
but that shouldn't mean anything given your early claim

its almost a meme to claim a vig shot at any point in the game

If he doesn't believe the claim then it doesn't matter.

If he does believe the claim then arguing with me has even less point and he should just be focused on organizing his legacy for when he flips green.

in a perfect world, maybe
but people arent perfect, though i know you only believe in perfection, so /shrug

[Alison]

arogame being incredibly defensive when called mafia by someone who has no vote is noted by the way.

I mean I won’t let you spin a false narrative lol

Good, because I'm spinning a true one.

Quote the posts then and illustrate where I did.

No, I won't, and there's nothing you can do about it.

[santygrass]

@Tilgarial as far as santy’s intentions, I can feel that he is somewhat trying to attend/wanting to talk to me and is quite upset that I haven’t reChed out to him as much as I’d usually do based on my games with him which is fair. But the issue I have is that when I see him sr me for the reasons he states, it seems to differ from what I’ve written or said and I feel like he’s not actually reading my content/fabricating it which I have an issue with esp when he’s sr me.

In sf1 at a point I also sr'ed and you did a good effort in try to talk with me and discuss it tho. So In my mind me scumreading you isnt something that would stop V!you to i teract with me?
Is that assesment wrong?

[Alison]

a lot of people get defensive regardless, but u also threatened to shoot them lmao
but that shouldn't mean anything given your early claim

its almost a meme to claim a vig shot at any point in the game

If he doesn't believe the claim then it doesn't matter.

If he does believe the claim then arguing with me has even less point and he should just be focused on organizing his legacy for when he flips green.

in a perfect world, maybe
but people arent perfect, though i know you only believe in perfection, so /shrug

Stop coming up with reasons that you admit are irrational to justify the defensive behavior of another player in response to being questioned.

[Tilgarial]

What’s ur pov/state of the game tilg?

One things for sure is I want to keep everyone accountable and on record to make concrete views of the game.

my PoV is that I don't have enough scumreads to even really know who to vote, so I've been taking a closer look at some slots where I can. I'm also unsure when EOD is, which may not help much

Well a brief reads list of some of ur towns would help out

SPF, illario, Alison, Sean, maybe you/mac

I'm kinda on the fense in regards to santy, and I think there's a decent chance I'll arrive on a tr on wisp/millium when I take a closer look there

[Millium]

a lot of people get defensive regardless, but u also threatened to shoot them lmao
but that shouldn't mean anything given your early claim

its almost a meme to claim a vig shot at any point in the game

If he doesn't believe the claim then it doesn't matter.

If he does believe the claim then arguing with me has even less point and he should just be focused on organizing his legacy for when he flips green.

in a perfect world, maybe
but people arent perfect, though i know you only believe in perfection, so /shrug

Stop coming up with reasons that you admit are irrational to justify the defensive behavior of another player in response to being questioned.

no thanks

[Alison]

I'm going to stop this argument because it's unproductive since I am never going to convince aro to admit he is mafia and he will never convince me that I am wrong. So it's just clogging up the thread.

Ping me if you want to talk about something that isn't this.

[Seanzie]

Someone tell me where to vote.

[Chamomile]

@Millium , it seems like you’re wolf rand streak has ended lol

@arogame123 can you walk me through your read on millium/wisp here? What had they made to make you think they arent in wolfrange? This read just screams to me as fake tbh

There’s probably one in aro/wisp

Also I vibe a lot with this take.

So far 3 pages in Alison/illario are my townreads and I'll be working with it probs

Santy, Alison, and Illario are suss from this post.

[arogame123]

I have been calling aro/wisp mafia buddies for the entire game and the two of them appearing to tag team me with bad arguments after I call out aro is extremely suspicious.

Wisp is arguing it’s disingenuous to say that I attempt to move votes when “you’re not around” considering time zones and all that.

I’m arguing that I haven’t even tried to move votes on u and that ur claim is false/spinning an incorrect narrative.

Two different reasons being pushed against your argument

[Millium]

anyways ill be leaving for work soon, so good luck
also these EoDs will always be bad for me, I will be at work for every day start and EoD that's not Monday

[arogame123]

What’s ur pov/state of the game tilg?

One things for sure is I want to keep everyone accountable and on record to make concrete views of the game.

my PoV is that I don't have enough scumreads to even really know who to vote, so I've been taking a closer look at some slots where I can. I'm also unsure when EOD is, which may not help much

Well a brief reads list of some of ur towns would help out

SPF, illario, Alison, Sean, maybe you/mac

I'm kinda on the fense in regards to santy, and I think there's a decent chance I'll arrive on a tr on wisp/millium when I take a closer look there

Can you explain your Alison town read please and why you feel that way?

[Alison]

@Millium , it seems like you’re wolf rand streak has ended lol

@arogame123 can you walk me through your read on millium/wisp here? What had they made to make you think they arent in wolfrange? This read just screams to me as fake tbh

There’s probably one in aro/wisp

Also I vibe a lot with this take.

So far 3 pages in Alison/illario are my townreads and I'll be working with it probs

Santy, Alison, and Illario are suss from this post.

I think Chamomile is town move them up to my town list.

[Tilgarial]

Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

how'd you arrive at me confident town? that's currently not a common take, so it's mildly surprising

[Alison]

I have been calling aro/wisp mafia buddies for the entire game and the two of them appearing to tag team me with bad arguments after I call out aro is extremely suspicious.

Wisp is arguing it’s disingenuous to say that I attempt to move votes when “you’re not around” considering time zones and all that.

I’m arguing that I haven’t even tried to move votes on u and that ur claim is false/spinning an incorrect narrative.

Two different reasons being pushed against your argument

I'm going to stop this argument because it's unproductive since I am never going to convince aro to admit he is mafia and he will never convince me that I am wrong. So it's just clogging up the thread.

Ping me if you want to talk about something that isn't this.

[santygrass]

Aro, in regards to Lily. You said you think they townied it up under pressure. But they did a couple of post like not feeling pressured at all, and you unvoted ipso facto. It was such an easy unvote that rather than feeling like 'you voted to see Lily town it up under pressure' , felt more like an empty sheep vote to have a vote somewhere at the time .

Like, you said you were in the middle lf a hockey game and all, were you really taking a closer look at how Lily was posting? It felt more like 'Oh Lily is posting Imma unvote' which doesnt add up with the approach of wanting to see Lily under pressure to form a better read

It was intermission and I was skimming/reading her posts.

And the pressure forced them to post more and be more active which allowed me to better evaluate their slot.

Do you really believe the bolded?

Like, they were clearly out and spent a good chunk of the day being top wagon with 3-5 posts LOL.

Then they came, did a couple posts and you unvoted

[Alison]

Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

how'd you arrive at me confident town? that's currently not a common take, so it's mildly surprising

Every time I read your posts you strike me as someone who is working alone. Then illario who I trust (both in the trust he's town and trust he's good at reading people sense) said that he meta dived you and you are out of your scum range. So I put you in confident town.

[Lilypetal]

TOWN : ilario, Neon, Santygrass, spf
Townlean: Alison, Lilypetal, ender, nanook

Scumlean: Tilgarial
SCUM: Aro

Prob will be holding off to lean Millium/Wisp as any alignment til we get some flips. Also I notice tha I dont have much of a read in the people I dont know from other games but it is what it is. Prob if I realtime with them I'll get a better read or something.
But its D1 I dont want to put too much effort /shrug

Santy says "locktown lily never rescind" but he's clearly exaggerating. His reads list shows that he TLed me so imo I don't think he's TMI'ing me town.

Fwiw I think the vote of aro into Lily is almost outing in the level of wolfyness. Its super lazy and how they got there doesnt feel villagery at all.
Like, I expect the player who was interacting with the most slots have more.. spice for a vote or something? And not jump on a easy vote like I feel Lily is? And there was 0 intent in aro to interact with Lily so it just screams W!aro to me

This one is less AI but note the aggression. This is something I relate to v!santy

@arogame123
Can you post a wolf game for me? I don't necessarily agree with their read based on the reaction test, but personally I'm not a fan of the Lily vote. And if u can play like this regardless of your alignment it becomes a bit harder for me to sit on looking somewhat decent right now

What's ur opinion of rondo, and yes I'm probably gunna keep asking people this question.

Can you discuss why you think my vote on Lily is not good and why you tr Lily then? It seems like @santygrass believed that Lily was town as well and I am confused with that assessment based on her current ISO.

And if you want a mafia game from me, here is one on this site: viewtopic.php?t=2423.

I mean I agree with you that their read on me of it "being performative" is not good/incorrect, but idk what that means for Alison's alignment.

My opinion of Rondo is that he has done/made some similar "trolly" and "inquisitive" posts that he made when he was town in the game I linked you above. I have him as a null-townie and more so a bit of sheeping Mac's read on Rondo. I do remember Rondo making that same remark towards Mac in our previous game so I can empathize with why Mac tr it and why you wouldn't. From experience with Rondo like how you have experience with me, I see some of his posting here similar to that in my last game with him where he was town.

Also, if you think Rondo is mafia, what do you think of people continually tr him? Do you think it's mafia attempting to defend a partner or mafia spewing someone as town?

Aro did you really read my posts? Like, I dont have so many so the reason I was townleaning Lily us super obvious LOL

v!santy is confident even when he may be wrong. This confidence is not indicative of wolfiness. He believes in his read so he aggressively pursuits aro. Imo this is villagery

@Alison why do you trust Mac so much? I think Neon is one of my most confident townreads atm, and I would very much prefer if you vote aro with me tbh .

@ilario I think spf is town, I am reading them as villa, and I read the aro/spf interaction like W!aro fanning the flames and trying to make a distance between you and spf. (like the partnery tinfoil just seemed extremely fake to me). I might be confbiased on that read, but I feel good about spf being town, and you too. Would appreciate it if you try to work together for this phase at least tbhtbh

I just think Santy is probably mafia for having confidence well beyond levels he should have on both of these players (especially SPF). His treatment reeks of TMI shielding town from other town. Santy is a compulsive townsiding wolf too based on my experience wolfing with them. If a wolf teammate is under pressure from town players Santy is afraid of he will usually pocket that town by helping them kill his teammate.

Also his explanation on the SPF read here is insanely weak. Far too weak to be pinging players trying to convince them based on it. Ilario would have a 9000x stronger SPF read than Santy would.

@MacDougall as town, I also hard townshield players right? Like, you know tha and are choosing to forget that or what? Your reason to scumread me is peepeepoopoo . And you should know me better rathr to only compare with how I would play as wolf???
It feels like purposely only looking at one side to make a push full of skill issue tbhtbh

Santy does indeed shield as town with this same level of confidence. The frustration here should be noted because imo it feels genuine because this really is how Santy plays as a villager.

You remember my read on Alive f.e. on Spiritfarer right. We were both town and you scumread me for the same lame reason Mac. I am weirded out that you are not considering my meta at all when forming your read here tbh

Valid referencing of meta that I agree with. Again with the frustration. Something we need to talk about is how Santy as a villager gets frustrated. He says "skill issue" and shit and constantly shows how he's annoyed or angry at whoever is misreading him or his TRs. This was perfectly on display in the recent Misplay Mafia.

Also Wisp wtf I dont know how are you misunderstanding Lily post / intentions on what they said??

Like, they expressed to not have a read on me but they said they liked me as a person . Not a townread at any point like you are understanding I feel like? And when lily clarified you dont rescind that so... Wtf?

Same frustration

@santygrass why you voting arogame?

You said you ISO'd me right? Then you should know lol.

I wasnt vibing with their takes at all (Mostly pinged by the wisp super early townread that seemed scummy to me) . The Lilypetal vote screams scum too. Like, I explained those things too.
Most of their long posts I skimmed tho, felt like overexplaining stuff and Im not going to put that much effort into reading stuff (? .

But yeah , the fact that aro was almost top poster, interacts with people and stuff, and their vote was only a sheep onto a 3 poster in which he didnt try to interact at all is super wolfy imo

isn't this like pretty level 1 to assume of aro though

Why? Its based on my experience with how V!aro plays. And this doesnt add up

Towny confidence. Notice how he never tries to pocket anyone or lessen his reads due to disagreements. He's stalwart in his beliefs.

Catched up. While reading some of Mac posts I felt the urge of spanking him because it shocks me seeing him have that bad takes on me tbhtbh

@arogame123 I saw that you pinged like more than half the playerlist but not me. Are you avoiding to interact with me for any reason? You said that your playstyle was similar to spf as a reason to solidify your townread there. And... From the games we played together (sf1 and the mash) I disagree? Like, even in champs we said that our styles were more matching in style ? I feel like our approach as towns usually meld in the sense of <trying to find towns and heavily basing on interactions to solve those slots too>< . In those games we played, I felt like you were doing an effort to solve me. Here you painted me lazily as mafia and are notasking me questions, not trying to solve me , a slot you played with before, said you see similiraties in style in other game, that you throwed sus, and that is even voting you and talked about you quite a bit.

So, why? Do you think my perception on you is wrong here?

More complaining and being frustrated at Mac's use of meta and pushing Aro. More of the same

The issue this game is I don’t have confident scum, and I’ll be honest. I really don’t and it’s bad.

I kinda do believe that in the flankers/LHF that there are at least mafia/3p there based on the people I have tr so far and based on how many of my town reads tr a player that I sr at some point that has posted quite a bit like (Santy, Lily, Neon, and Tilg).

And I feel like each person I’ve voted on/pushed gets greeted with a “omg, how could u” which makes me believe that it could be potentially “tmi” them as town and it’s a thought that I’ve had in the back of my mind.

@arogame123 can you bring receipts of what made you feel that way? Me/Lily iirc townread Neon way before your vote. (Specially me I think) . So, I want to know where the 'omg how could u' vibes comes from.
I think the lashback of your vote is how fake it felt the vote on lily that it almost felt like

Aro: Vote Lily
Lily : A
Aro: Okay Lily is posting a little bit better /unvote

this is just a mindmeld with me earlier fr

Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .


So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh

he's so annoyed!! do you all not see? he's even annoyed at me for saying he could possibly be TMI'ing me town. I don't think w!santy plays like this at all tbh he's just sticking to his guns and truly believes everything he's saying. If you played with him in spiritfarer this should be very reminiscent of that game.

Like, OMG I dont treat people that Im not sure of their alignment as wolf, clearly TMI!!! is your read rn, and its super inaccurate because I try to work with people while interacting with them, so unless I have reasons to suspect them Im going to treat them the way you see as 'TMIing town' , which is a super bad read ln your part on me. But its nicer to just call it Skill Issue :hmmyes:

mmm anger

I remember three somewhat pushes from aro this game:

Lily >>> zzzz push
Neon >>>> zzz push
Spf >> Reaction Test . Personally feels more fake than not to try to pocket spf IMO

I dont weigh in much this because I think aro as town focus more on finding more another townies tbh, but I feel like their intents this game have been getting townread+pushing easy places tbh

defending TRs + staying on his scum read. Nothing about Santy's play is inconsistent - he wants to battle Aro at like every turn and Aro doesn't seem like someone that wolves are going to get over today. There's no agenda here it's just purely out of towny belief

Why I I cant say that I should've ignored you if my approach is to nottreat you as scummy?

Like, I didnt have that much faith in you finding me.either eay. Doesnt matter if you were town or scum.

And having you FEEL like I was tring you is something I do in purpose because I work better with good vibes and not being salty like I am rn so my reads arent going to be useful now . Skill Issue /shrug

can you express what exactly is making you feel salty rn?

I think its not good for threadhealth to answer that.

Anyways I gotta go so prob good to just take a breath from the game and come back later.

@Allison can you make a ISO of Ender and say your readon their latest post? Mostly interested in what do you think about their read ln aro and how they got there

"not good for threadhealth" is the icing on the cake. He's just town. w!santy is chill and collected and funny and cool. He's sly. He has all the right answers. v!santy is like the old car you inherited from your family that's constantly on the verge of death but always gets the job done in the end and that you love so much. He has heart, fire, and want to be right. He feels he's right and knows he's right and it bleeds into every post he makes. He gets mad and frustrated and doesn't understand how people are so bad that they can't see what he sees. He's town yall

@arogame123 it aint much but here

[Millium]

also if u get any gifts tonight, remember they are not poisonous, at least from me lol

[Lilypetal]

Aro, in regards to Lily. You said you think they townied it up under pressure. But they did a couple of post like not feeling pressured at all, and you unvoted ipso facto. It was such an easy unvote that rather than feeling like 'you voted to see Lily town it up under pressure' , felt more like an empty sheep vote to have a vote somewhere at the time .

Like, you said you were in the middle lf a hockey game and all, were you really taking a closer look at how Lily was posting? It felt more like 'Oh Lily is posting Imma unvote' which doesnt add up with the approach of wanting to see Lily under pressure to form a better read

It was intermission and I was skimming/reading her posts.

And the pressure forced them to post more and be more active which allowed me to better evaluate their slot.

No it didn't. I would've posted more regardless of any votes wasted on me while I was busy

[santygrass]

@staypositivefriend pikachu, how guilty do you feel that I tr you the most in this thread?


skimmed and saw a comment from Ilario earlier where he mentioned you weren’t matching my energy because you could potentially feel bad for having my pocketed. I was wondering what u thought of that?

You really think I'm misrepping you when I say that you arent treating ilario and spf as if both were townreads?

@arogame123 . Like, the interaction with spf that I remember was you asking spf the reasons of why they rescinded the tr on ilario, and at the end your conclussion was 'maybe they are partners' .

For a easy comparison in how I expect V!aro to handle two villa slots that arent townreading each other, I go to Arete and Mera in sf1. You meddled in the middle of their discussion, stated that they both were town and to talk to you so they stopped sussing each other. I dont see the same vibe at all here, rather is more of you being okay with them not trusting each other, since its what makes me think that spf and illario finding each other as town isnt in your interest

Signaling cuz I see you replied to the lily post but not this one

[Alison]

Moving Lilypetal to town.

[Alison]

New reads list:

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: EnderWiggin, Porscha, santygrass
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Rondo, Neon
Shrug: dyachei, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie, Lilypetal, Chamomile
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

[staypositivefriend]

lily what is your read on porscha?

[arogame123]

Actually, not guilty, but how do u feel in general with the tr I rep on u this game?

i would say that i generally feel cautious about you in this game and that the possibility that you might be attempting to pocket me or make you look partnered with me in a world where you are W has been on my mind quite a lot, tbh. in particular, my concern has been that you are trying to create a dynamic between you and me that existed between you and alison in the cats and dog game, where you very passionately defend an often misunderstood and wrongly suspected villager and look townier for doing so (and also look partnered with them once you flip W)

so if i didnt "match the energy" when replying to you, it was a mix of that and a mix of it being 5 in the morning lol

Btw, I forgot to respond but this looks good for spf, it demonstrates that she has a lack of tmi and is cautious of how I act around her.

[Alison]

Actually I'm going to drop some respect to Lily and trust her Santy shield.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: EnderWiggin, Porscha, Rondo
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Neon
I scumread by Lily is shielding and I trust her: Santygrass
Shrug: dyachei, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie, Lilypetal, Chamomile
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

[Lilypetal]

lily what is your read on porscha?

honestly other than her calling me a princess and saying i was lock town and arguing with aro about the validity of her read i dont rly know if I have read a single other post? I feel like her presence must have been while I was away

I'll iso her for u rn

[Lilypetal]

alison and i have the same poe : o

[Lilypetal]

(as far as millium and aro go)

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Personally I ISO'd arogame and seeing him try to get people to go on me while I was asleep to try to shift pressure off him has convinced me that he is lock mafia. If I had a vote I would be voting him.

I can be your proxy.

[Alison]

There is about an 80% chance that I will be mechanically locked town by D2. It's not deterministic since there's potential stuff that could mess with it (esp in a closed setup) but it exists. So if there's a doctor or similar they should be on me.

[santygrass]

@arogame123 if you can talk to me about your Wisp read too, and the progression. It was the first thing it bothered me. The lack of paranoia and level of confidence in stating it. Didnt feel real to me. So I want to know which meta are you using, and how have you been reading them.

Wisp became kind of a wagon now too so I want to know your thoughts on that

Well I’ve stated that it’s a town lean and to call me not having paranoi on his slot isn’t true lol.

Like it’s not a confident town read persay.

I’m using the meta of them being “prideful” as mafia and here they haven’t really touched up on it at all and haven’t discredited certain meta reads against them. As mafia, they did that a lot and also were amping up their “pride” for their mafia game and seemed more upset when it was slandered. I also discussed this with ender from last night.

In my head. If you have paranoia or are wary about a slot wolf range, then they shouldnt be in any world one of your first townreads in early? And you sounded like quite proud of that read that made me wary af ngl.

So, if it isnt confident then I expect more a 'Im leaning Wisp town but evaluating' that would be more aligned with a wary approach irt to wisp. But you stated a townread and only lowered your confidence on that read when you were more questioned about it as far as I recall.

Also want to know your progression on Wisp rn. The tr maintains? What do you think about the votes they received?

@arogame123

[Lilypetal]

my 2 never kills for today are neon and santy

i think they both have proven they are town to me without a shadow of a doubt

rest idk