Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[dyachei]

So @dyachei do u think the 3 people I’ve placed in my nulls are my partners then that I didn’t put them in poE? Cause u seemed more upset about that at first of my treatment of u compared to the other 3 I had in my nulls lol.

not necessarily no. I think you're setting up easy mis-elims. That doesnt automatically make the people in the null pile your partners

talk about assumptions

[arogame123]

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

But that’s disengenious is my point because you’re saying I’m doing that when that’s not my intention and then you saying “I will do that” is just really unfair since it’s assuming something.

And you know what they say, assume makes an ass out of u and me.

Also, Alison explicitly stated I tried to get votes on her today which that is not true. I never once tried to get votes piled on Alison today from others.

you do understand the game of mafia relies on picking up patterns and set ups, right? Like you have to make some assumptions regarding what people are doing to make reads

Sure but to vote me for “anticipating” especially on day 1 when I’ve already explained that’s not the case seems like you aren’t hearing me out or trying to understand my thought process.

[Chamomile]

Milly can go idc

If society A has laws protecting children from harm and it is the custom in society B for the eldest child to enter into a gruesome death battle at a certain age for the glory of the family, is it the responsibility of society A to intervene with this custom?

@Porscha

[Alison]

I feel absolutely 0 need to wait for you to actually vote and push me before calling you out on trying to get me killed in a suspicious way, when you have been consistently undermining townreads on me and subtly presenting me as a good vote and going "yeah maybe it's Alison", "I would totally vote Alison here but I have to stay on Porscha", etc.

If anything that's scummier than going straight after me because it suggests that you desire not to be seen as the main person responsible for generating pressure on me.

[arogame123]

So @dyachei do u think the 3 people I’ve placed in my nulls are my partners then that I didn’t put them in poE? Cause u seemed more upset about that at first of my treatment of u compared to the other 3 I had in my nulls lol.

not necessarily no. I think you're setting up easy mis-elims. That doesnt automatically make the people in the null pile your partners

talk about assumptions

Lol, im just asking tho to get ur thoughts on that and not assuming u did lol.

[Alison]

Like calling out people for shading you is a totally normal part of mafia play and I don't understand why you're so mad about it.

[Tilgarial]

there's a fair difference between you literally towncoring me from start of D1 to your death compared to what they were accusing you of, no?
sure, I'll say that you towncoring people early isn't out of your townrange
but that would have been a terrible defence against their point, regardless of my thoughts on the matter, because it's literally two different things

Its mostly that Tilga knows that treating people the way Seanzie was presenting and taking issue with is pretty much how you saw me act as Villa.
The towncoring stuff was a performative part of it, but I pretty much did it with a lot of slots in finale too

I'm sorry if I'm disappointing you with that, but like
that wasn't really a part of my impression of you from finals
I remember you as the guy that towncored me, I remember you as the guy that was confident and enduring in the face of opposition to just do your thing, I remember you as the guy that stuck around and did your best all the way till the end when you were ml'd
if you're expecting me to be intimately familiar with your exact behaviour, then... I'm not, I'm sorry. even if you're town, I'd still say calling on you there to explain yourself directly was the right move

[MacDougall]

Since I posted my last reads list and have done a lot of questioning and interacting and backreading my list looks more like this.

Confident town

Allison
Belzy
ilario
Lilypetal
EnderWiggen
Neon
Tilgarial

Slight town lean

dyachei
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Seanzie

Slight wolf lean

arogame123
RondoDimBuckle

Wolf lean

Millium
Porscha
santygrass
staypositivefriend

@MacDougall how did i go from wolfy to towny in your reads list?

My mind is a mysterious place that even I don't fully comprehend.

[Tilgarial]

Tilg has treated me in an incredibly townie way.

I'll also say that I'm unsure where this defence is coming from

[Alison]

Tilg has treated me in an incredibly townie way.

I'll also say that I'm unsure where this defence is coming from

You have not treated me in the way that a mafia member treats a loud townie who unexpectedly gives them strong support. I was speaking up in your defense because Aro said you were a top suspect of his.

[Tilgarial]

@Tilgarial how have u felt about the difference checks people have put with u/me/and spf considering u seem to tr both of us.

Do u think the people placing those dichotomies are scummy or?

based on the lily vote?
I think I saw mac do that. not really, I get the PoV
I will say that it might have been part of why I wanted to dig into your lily vote a little, because SPF>you in terms of townieness(especially in regards to the lily vote), but tbh I'm not putting too much stock in that difference check in and of itself

[Millium]

For the sake of clarity, I have a stash of one shot items
Doctor, track, random redirect which is ass, and something else, I forgot

I target two people per night and they have to accept my gift
But also these Eods were always gunna be bad for me

Whether u consider this game throwing or not, that's subjective, in my 100 or so games of mafia, I've slept voted twice and the last one was 3 years ago

I'll choose my mental fortitude over a game of mafia, and I already have a very hard time not always paying attention to games

I'll probably see a few people in the hydra games on MU
Again good luck

[MacDougall]

Why I I cant say that I should've ignored you if my approach is to nottreat you as scummy?

Like, I didnt have that much faith in you finding me.either eay. Doesnt matter if you were town or scum.

And having you FEEL like I was tring you is something I do in purpose because I work better with good vibes and not being salty like I am rn so my reads arent going to be useful now . Skill Issue /shrug

can you express what exactly is making you feel salty rn?

I think its not good for threadhealth to answer that.

Anyways I gotta go so prob good to just take a breath from the game and come back later.

@Allison can you make a ISO of Ender and say your readon their latest post? Mostly interested in what do you think about their read ln aro and how they got there

A suspect of mine townreads one of my strongest suspects, who is also a consensus scumread. His reasoning is "vibes".

Ok.

Not much I can say/do about that. It certainly doesn't make me feel better about either of them. Doesn't make me feel worse about Ender, though. He has been known to give against the grain vibe reads before (itchy shirt, etc). The appeal to Mac is interesting but ultimately just means I want to hear from @MacDougall about this business.

Santy is most likely doing his usual thing where he's wrong a lot on d1 while accusing others of having a skill issue.

[Chamomile]

For the sake of clarity, I have a stash of one shot items
Doctor, track, random redirect which is ass, and something else, I forgot

I target two people per night and they have to accept my gift
But also these Eods were always gunna be bad for me

Whether u consider this game throwing or not, that's subjective, in my 100 or so games of mafia, I've slept voted twice and the last one was 3 years ago

I'll choose my mental fortitude over a game of mafia, and I already have a very hard time not always paying attention to games

I'll probably see a few people in the hydra games on MU
Again good luck

bribe someone with a gift to get them to unvote you

[MacDougall]

@Millium what do u think of the people that were shading you for initially sr Rondo that have now lowered him down their list from before lol?

Crazy world to live in am I right?

apparently its NAI enough to shade me, but not NAI enough to not waver on day 1
Im just curious in regards to Mac, but its also not somewhere I plan on going today
at worst I just drop my vote on Porsche before I head to work, and see if I can keep my not being lynched streak

This is soon w/w indicative.

[MacDougall]

sooo*

[Alison]

For the sake of clarity, I have a stash of one shot items
Doctor, track, random redirect which is ass, and something else, I forgot

I target two people per night and they have to accept my gift
But also these Eods were always gunna be bad for me

Whether u consider this game throwing or not, that's subjective, in my 100 or so games of mafia, I've slept voted twice and the last one was 3 years ago

I'll choose my mental fortitude over a game of mafia, and I already have a very hard time not always paying attention to games

I'll probably see a few people in the hydra games on MU
Again good luck

bribe someone with a gift to get them to unvote you

It's probably a poisoned gift because Wisp is mafia.

[Alison]

@Millium what do u think of the people that were shading you for initially sr Rondo that have now lowered him down their list from before lol?

Crazy world to live in am I right?

apparently its NAI enough to shade me, but not NAI enough to not waver on day 1
Im just curious in regards to Mac, but its also not somewhere I plan on going today
at worst I just drop my vote on Porsche before I head to work, and see if I can keep my not being lynched streak

This is soon w/w indicative.

I have been literally calling the two of them wolf buddies together for the past 10 pages... glad to see you are on the same page lol

[santygrass]

there's a fair difference between you literally towncoring me from start of D1 to your death compared to what they were accusing you of, no?
sure, I'll say that you towncoring people early isn't out of your townrange
but that would have been a terrible defence against their point, regardless of my thoughts on the matter, because it's literally two different things

Its mostly that Tilga knows that treating people the way Seanzie was presenting and taking issue with is pretty much how you saw me act as Villa.
The towncoring stuff was a performative part of it, but I pretty much did it with a lot of slots in finale too

I'm sorry if I'm disappointing you with that, but like
that wasn't really a part of my impression of you from finals
I remember you as the guy that towncored me, I remember you as the guy that was confident and enduring in the face of opposition to just do your thing, I remember you as the guy that stuck around and did your best all the way till the end when you were ml'd
if you're expecting me to be intimately familiar with your exact behaviour, then... I'm not, I'm sorry. even if you're town, I'd still say calling on you there to explain yourself directly was the right move

#Pocketed

[MacDougall]

Based on page 39 Porscha wagon is absolutely maggot infested. Also Porscha is a bad d1 chop anyway.

[santygrass]

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Prob better to talk with aro tomorrow and turn on sheep mode.

I am probably not going to be here at EoD and Wisp already seems like he gave up .

@Chamomile did you pick that ava prerand btw? If not, it feels wolfy to me. (This is a real read)

[Alison]

Mac is literally having the exact same thoughts as I have as he reads through lol.

[Chamomile]

Based on page 39 Porscha wagon is absolutely maggot infested. Also Porscha is a bad d1 chop anyway.

Who to yeet that's not Millium?

[MacDougall]

I have been calling aro/wisp mafia buddies for the entire game and the two of them appearing to tag team me with bad arguments after I call out aro is extremely suspicious.

yeah I am seeing it

it's ridiculous

cham's entrance is lockstep with them too

[MacDougall]

What’s ur pov/state of the game tilg?

One things for sure is I want to keep everyone accountable and on record to make concrete views of the game.

my PoV is that I don't have enough scumreads to even really know who to vote, so I've been taking a closer look at some slots where I can. I'm also unsure when EOD is, which may not help much

Well a brief reads list of some of ur towns would help out

SPF, illario, Alison, Sean, maybe you/mac

I'm kinda on the fense in regards to santy, and I think there's a decent chance I'll arrive on a tr on wisp/millium when I take a closer look there

very strange post

[MacDougall]

I have been calling aro/wisp mafia buddies for the entire game and the two of them appearing to tag team me with bad arguments after I call out aro is extremely suspicious.

Wisp is arguing it’s disingenuous to say that I attempt to move votes when “you’re not around” considering time zones and all that.

I’m arguing that I haven’t even tried to move votes on u and that ur claim is false/spinning an incorrect narrative.

Two different reasons being pushed against your argument

this doesn't even rebuke Alison's point which is that you're tag teaming her with bad arguments. Which you are. You're both just talking nonsense.

[MacDougall]

@Millium , it seems like you’re wolf rand streak has ended lol

@arogame123 can you walk me through your read on millium/wisp here? What had they made to make you think they arent in wolfrange? This read just screams to me as fake tbh

There’s probably one in aro/wisp

Also I vibe a lot with this take.

So far 3 pages in Alison/illario are my townreads and I'll be working with it probs

Santy, Alison, and Illario are suss from this post.

I think Chamomile is town move them up to my town list.

plz explain

[Chamomile]

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Prob better to talk with aro tomorrow and turn on sheep mode.

I am probably not going to be here at EoD and Wisp already seems like he gave up .

@Chamomile did you pick that ava prerand btw? If not, it feels wolfy to me. (This is a real read)

Yeah Prerand. I always use it with Chamomile accounts. https://animebase.me/threads/thread-thi ... t-22067137

[Alison]

@Millium , it seems like you’re wolf rand streak has ended lol

@arogame123 can you walk me through your read on millium/wisp here? What had they made to make you think they arent in wolfrange? This read just screams to me as fake tbh

There’s probably one in aro/wisp

Also I vibe a lot with this take.

So far 3 pages in Alison/illario are my townreads and I'll be working with it probs

Santy, Alison, and Illario are suss from this post.

I think Chamomile is town move them up to my town list.

plz explain

I just thought it came out of nowhere and was aggressive towards three players that a scum player might not want to piss off. So my gut read was town. They have been pushing "anyone but Wisp/Aro" stances ever since which has soured me on them.

[MacDougall]

Actually, not guilty, but how do u feel in general with the tr I rep on u this game?

i would say that i generally feel cautious about you in this game and that the possibility that you might be attempting to pocket me or make you look partnered with me in a world where you are W has been on my mind quite a lot, tbh. in particular, my concern has been that you are trying to create a dynamic between you and me that existed between you and alison in the cats and dog game, where you very passionately defend an often misunderstood and wrongly suspected villager and look townier for doing so (and also look partnered with them once you flip W)

so if i didnt "match the energy" when replying to you, it was a mix of that and a mix of it being 5 in the morning lol

Btw, I forgot to respond but this looks good for spf, it demonstrates that she has a lack of tmi and is cautious of how I act around her.

noting your pocket attempt while spf is voting alison

[MacDougall]

i think porscha aro are never w/w

Porscha defends aro early and then takes issue with aro when he tries to take validity away from her TR of me. The convo doesn't read like w/w at all

Otherwise Porscha feels comfy in thread and hasn't done anything offensive. I wouldn't look there today and if aro flips W I'd lock her V

@staypositivefriend

porscha and aro are already a solved difference check

[Chamomile]

@Millium , it seems like you’re wolf rand streak has ended lol

@arogame123 can you walk me through your read on millium/wisp here? What had they made to make you think they arent in wolfrange? This read just screams to me as fake tbh

There’s probably one in aro/wisp

Also I vibe a lot with this take.

So far 3 pages in Alison/illario are my townreads and I'll be working with it probs

Santy, Alison, and Illario are suss from this post.

I think Chamomile is town move them up to my town list.

plz explain

I just thought it came out of nowhere and was aggressive towards three players that a scum player might not want to piss off. So my gut read was town. They have been pushing "anyone but Wisp/Aro" stances ever since which has soured me on them.

I'm curious to see what they flip now. Also Mac has never once not wolf read me, don't indulge him.

[MacDougall]

I’m
Voting with Illario and ender (two people that are widely tr at some capacity)

I know I’m town and then there’s wisp lol who I have leaning town.

I can’t lie but the wagon composition feels townie as well lol

this post belongs in a museum cuz it's historically scummy

[MacDougall]

@Millium , it seems like you’re wolf rand streak has ended lol

@arogame123 can you walk me through your read on millium/wisp here? What had they made to make you think they arent in wolfrange? This read just screams to me as fake tbh

There’s probably one in aro/wisp

Also I vibe a lot with this take.

So far 3 pages in Alison/illario are my townreads and I'll be working with it probs

Santy, Alison, and Illario are suss from this post.

I think Chamomile is town move them up to my town list.

plz explain

I just thought it came out of nowhere and was aggressive towards three players that a scum player might not want to piss off. So my gut read was town. They have been pushing "anyone but Wisp/Aro" stances ever since which has soured me on them.

I'm curious to see what they flip now. Also Mac has never once not wolf read me, don't indulge him.

maybe don't hard wolfside so much

[Chamomile]

[VOTE: arogame123] aubergine

Only because I'm sure Wisp will flip villa and I think Aro gives more info.

[Chamomile]

@arogame123 can you walk me through your read on millium/wisp here? What had they made to make you think they arent in wolfrange? This read just screams to me as fake tbh



Also I vibe a lot with this take.

So far 3 pages in Alison/illario are my townreads and I'll be working with it probs

Santy, Alison, and Illario are suss from this post.

I think Chamomile is town move them up to my town list.

plz explain

I just thought it came out of nowhere and was aggressive towards three players that a scum player might not want to piss off. So my gut read was town. They have been pushing "anyone but Wisp/Aro" stances ever since which has soured me on them.

I'm curious to see what they flip now. Also Mac has never once not wolf read me, don't indulge him.

maybe don't hard wolfside so much

I'm pretty sure the last time was a turbo I had the solve but you yeeted me anyway

[MacDougall]

I just don't feel like aro believes any of his votes so far lol

or reads

[MacDougall]

Santy, Alison, and Illario are suss from this post.

I think Chamomile is town move them up to my town list.

plz explain

I just thought it came out of nowhere and was aggressive towards three players that a scum player might not want to piss off. So my gut read was town. They have been pushing "anyone but Wisp/Aro" stances ever since which has soured me on them.

I'm curious to see what they flip now. Also Mac has never once not wolf read me, don't indulge him.

maybe don't hard wolfside so much

I'm pretty sure the last time was a turbo I had the solve but you yeeted me anyway

lol @ appealing to turbo meta

[Chamomile]

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Prob better to talk with aro tomorrow and turn on sheep mode.

I am probably not going to be here at EoD and Wisp already seems like he gave up .

@Chamomile did you pick that ava prerand btw? If not, it feels wolfy to me. (This is a real read)

Curious about the reasoning behind this btw @santygrass

[MacDougall]

fwiw I'm not opposed to aro being mafia but I am struggling to see it a little bit, and have been waiting for him to do a particular tell that he hasn't done yet

can someone who strongly scumread talk to me about why?

You're looking for arogame the wolf

Show me arogame the town

[arogame123]

Ok @Chamomile if I told you both wisp/I won’t die in some way as long as Ur not bottom poster do u trust me?

I have a plan. Just promise ur not the bottom poster and I have a plan

[arogame123]

It’s ok, mac is just going through the motions. It’s fine, everything is fine

[Alison]

It’s ok, mac is just going through the motions. It’s fine, everything is fine

You're supposed to be posting this in wolf chat

[arogame123]

It’s ok, mac is just going through the motions. It’s fine, everything is fine

You're supposed to be posting this in wolf chat

Can’t if I’m not mafia hehe

[MacDougall]

Wisp is obv town lol. Votes on him are very poor votes.

Interesting choice of words. Kinda spewing the wagon town.

[EnderWiggin]

no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

I don't have a big history of MLing Porscha tbh.

I scumread Porscha since their activity this game tends towards not much and the content I have seen from Porscha has not excited me in the slightest. Nor have I had a single moment where I've understood or recognised the solving process I feel I know from her. Which is a vague-ish reason. I can try to narrow this down later, just trying to catch up while at work (Priority will be work stuff so may be slow.)

Just want to be up to date for EOD.

[MacDougall]

You waste a day by killing Wisp.

In a way, it’ll progress the game and it’ll shift a lot of reads that people have tbh.

It’ll also look worse for Porscha and her teammates if she’s mafia.

I still believe wisp is leaning town so we’ll see how that goes.

I’ll feel vindicated if wisp flips town tbh.

Well this post seals you as mafia in either event so good luck in the forthcoming conflict.

[Alison]

It’s fine, the game will progress a lot and if wisp flips town, this game will out a lot of people here and I’m not worried.

If wisp flips mafia then this game should be in great hands.

So... a lot of mafia get outed regardless of how Wisp flips? Why aren't you voting them then?

Because I believe Porscha is likely to be mafia and I liked the wagon on her when I voted as well in addition to the reasons I stated prior.

Also, I want my vote to matter and voting u when there is only one vote won’t do anything lmfao.

Do you think Porscha is 100% certain to be mafia?

Aro never answered this btw.

Because I doubt he thinks Porscha is 100% mafia, but he has said that a Wisp exe is 100% going to expose the mafia... so there's absolutely no way that he votes Porscha over Wisp if he really thinks that.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Aro] aubergine

So when I flip town, are u going to push wisp then? Cause then that’ll be a funny story

I think switching to arogame is actually optimal because there is a world where aro and cham are mafia spewing wisp town and world's where they are mafia shielding. They are both more >rand mafia than wisp now.

[arogame123]

It’s fine, the game will progress a lot and if wisp flips town, this game will out a lot of people here and I’m not worried.

If wisp flips mafia then this game should be in great hands.

So... a lot of mafia get outed regardless of how Wisp flips? Why aren't you voting them then?

Because I believe Porscha is likely to be mafia and I liked the wagon on her when I voted as well in addition to the reasons I stated prior.

Also, I want my vote to matter and voting u when there is only one vote won’t do anything lmfao.

Do you think Porscha is 100% certain to be mafia?

Aro never answered this btw.

Because I doubt he thinks Porscha is 100% mafia, but he has said that a Wisp exe is 100% going to expose the mafia... so there's absolutely no way that he votes Porscha over Wisp if he really thinks that.

Pretty sure I did, I just believe Porscha has a high chance of being mafia and I explained it earlier.