Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

[robyn]

Lucy certainly thinks he's bad. Something to think about for sure.

so you value my reads? why?

Because I tend to think y9ure bad so if you're hollering that scotty is bad, there is a very specific reason for it.

feels like i'm a piñata this game brought from cycle to cycle only to get hit

[Scotty]

Lucy certainly thinks he's bad. Something to think about for sure.

so you value my reads? why?

Because I tend to think y9ure bad so if you're hollering that scotty is bad, there is a very specific reason for it.

I didn’t hear the hollering. I heard some pointed come-ons but that’s about it

[robyn]

i certainly came on to scotty

[Soneji]

@Soneji are you submissive and breedable

I prefer Espeon to Vaporeon, though they're pretty breedable too

[Scotty]

Lucy certainly thinks he's bad. Something to think about for sure.

so you value my reads? why?

Because I tend to think y9ure bad so if you're hollering that scotty is bad, there is a very specific reason for it.

feels like i'm a piñata this game brought from cycle to cycle only to get hit

The world is one big game of hit-the-piñata with everyone blindly swinging their sticks and no one knowing what treasures await inside anyway.

[robyn]

@Soneji are you submissive and breedable

I prefer Espeon to Vaporeon, though they're pretty breedable too

bad answer

[robyn]

Lucy certainly thinks he's bad. Something to think about for sure.

so you value my reads? why?

Because I tend to think y9ure bad so if you're hollering that scotty is bad, there is a very specific reason for it.

feels like i'm a piñata this game brought from cycle to cycle only to get hit

The world is one big game of hit-the-piñata with everyone blindly swinging their sticks and no one knowing what treasures await inside anyway.

i disagree, feels like i'm swinging with prescience among the blind

[Kate]

Lucy certainly thinks he's bad. Something to think about for sure.

so you value my reads? why?

Because I tend to think y9ure bad so if you're hollering that scotty is bad, there is a very specific reason for it.

I didn’t hear the hollering. I heard some pointed come-ons but that’s about it

I believe that post shes referring to was yesterday.

[Soneji]

@Soneji are you submissive and breedable

I prefer Espeon to Vaporeon, though they're pretty breedable too

bad answer

If you ask me a joke of a question, you're going to get a joke of an answer.

[Golden]

Why?

legacy analysis 2 days after the fact is just weird, and pre flipping associations is terrible play, like forming a team in your mind and slaughtering within that is just very poor play and you'll always be wrong

i don't know whether it's scummy, or if you simply don't know this

Lol ok then.

1) who says I’m committed to slaughtering within them? I think splints might be the answer right now

2) “you’ll always be wrong” is a pretty condescending thing to say. What if I solved the wolfteam? You think this hasn’t happened?

Building worlds and finding associative teams is what I do, and it’s helpful for me. But don’t mistake me for a tunneler unless I suspect svs.

ah, guess you aren’t, i nonetheless find pre flipping very silly

i'm sure that you haven't solved the team, pre flipping is always wrong, i'm 100% sure you haven't solved the team. the rest of my arguments were even more condescending so i'll end this here

i've been taught to find associatives only after flips, never before, while i understand it might be helpful have you ever been 100% right?

Yes.

But I’m under no illusion that it’ll be wrong more often than not. But if I find someone wolfy but can’t find a theory of the game that works, that’s a helpful tool for me. And associative ideas can still be helpful. For example, I dare say you use ‘those two people won’t be w/w’. The ideas aren’t much different unless you tunnel.

[robyn]

@Soneji are you submissive and breedable

@Kate what of you?

[Kate]

scotty is a wolf, i'm 70% sure

scotty is a wolf

Here you go.

[robyn]

Yes.

But I’m under no illusion that it’ll be wrong more often than not. But if I find someone wolfy but can’t find a theory of the game that works, that’s a helpful tool for me. And associative ideas can still be helpful. For example, I dare say you use ‘those two people won’t be w/w’. The ideas aren’t much different unless you tunnel.

w/v and v/v and w/w are as associative as i'll go, building teams is often wrong, although i do agree near lylo if you see a person without any team pairings they're usually town. however we are not near lylo

[robyn]

Lucy certainly thinks he's bad. Something to think about for sure.

so you value my reads? why?

Because I tend to think y9ure bad so if you're hollering that scotty is bad, there is a very specific reason for it.

what would that reasoning be?

[Golden]

I have people to do my research for me now it’s great lol

doing actual research by hand almost always changes my opinion on a subject, what job has you not doing your own research lol

I’m a public lawyer, currently in the child protection sector, previously in the justice sector. But now im also a manager with portfolio responsibilities and no time to do actual research (I still do some).

I know a decent amount about jury reform and, yes, this is my idea but the problem is abolition of juries is quite unpopular lol.

[Kate]

@Soneji are you submissive and breedable

@Kate what of you?

I'm married, rhats about as far as I'm going with that. I'll also remind you that my kid is in this thread.

[Kate]

Lucy certainly thinks he's bad. Something to think about for sure.

so you value my reads? why?

Because I tend to think y9ure bad so if you're hollering that scotty is bad, there is a very specific reason for it.

what would that reasoning be?

Why don't you tell me?

[Golden]

Soneji could be town with a wildly wrong grip on the game.

[robyn]

I see Lucy asking a lot of personal questions but not a lot of production in regards to the game.

What are your reads, @lucy?

no other content lol, I reckon they will all have good reads on one another by virtue of birth, and if I poke enough I can just tell if there's a mafia between the 3, and if there is then I start the actual fun. until then it's literally just random voting stage, is it not?

But there are 13 other people playing, not just Kate and her kids. Are you concentrating on them only?

my memory is almost photographic, I'm remembering everything but I don't think anything is alignment indicative as of yet, I don't have too many reads until d2 if you want some self meta that multiple people here can confirm

@Kate no reminding necessary

[robyn]

I have people to do my research for me now it’s great lol

doing actual research by hand almost always changes my opinion on a subject, what job has you not doing your own research lol

I’m a public lawyer, currently in the child protection sector, previously in the justice sector. But now im also a manager with portfolio responsibilities and no time to do actual research (I still do some).

I know a decent amount about jury reform and, yes, this is my idea but the problem is abolition of juries is quite unpopular lol.

ahhhh, cause i knew lawyers did their own research

do you trust the peole giving you resarch/analysis?

[robyn]

Lucy certainly thinks he's bad. Something to think about for sure.

so you value my reads? why?

Because I tend to think y9ure bad so if you're hollering that scotty is bad, there is a very specific reason for it.

what would that reasoning be?

Why don't you tell me?

i wouldn't know, i'm a civ, i'm seeing if you actually thought of things that would qualify as "specific reasoning", or if you're saying something just to say it

[Kate]

Lucy certainly thinks he's bad. Something to think about for sure.

so you value my reads? why?

Because I tend to think y9ure bad so if you're hollering that scotty is bad, there is a very specific reason for it.

what would that reasoning be?

Why don't you tell me?

i wouldn't know, i'm a civ, i'm seeing if you actually thought of things that would qualify as "specific reasoning", or if you're saying something just to say it

Well I assume it would be genuine or was genuine if you are civ. If you're bad it would be distancing or deflection to a less important role.

[Golden]

I have people to do my research for me now it’s great lol

doing actual research by hand almost always changes my opinion on a subject, what job has you not doing your own research lol

I’m a public lawyer, currently in the child protection sector, previously in the justice sector. But now im also a manager with portfolio responsibilities and no time to do actual research (I still do some).

I know a decent amount about jury reform and, yes, this is my idea but the problem is abolition of juries is quite unpopular lol.

ahhhh, cause i knew lawyers did their own research

do you trust the peole giving you resarch/analysis?

Yeah, I’ve got a very good team.

[Golden]

scotty is a wolf, i'm 70% sure

What made you say this in the moment?

[robyn]

What made you say this in the moment?

35%, he's my top suspect but i don't necessarily want to go there today off the good chance he was civ, overnight i strongly considered tunneling him but decided against it because he found out that his pov this game was incorrect, and i don't think scotty chooses to tunnel me out of all players

[Golden]

What made you say this in the moment?

35%, he's my top suspect but i don't necessarily want to go there today off the good chance he was civ, overnight i strongly considered tunneling him but decided against it because he found out that his pov this game was incorrect, and i don't think scotty chooses to tunnel me out of all players

So you’re feeling better about him today?

[robyn]

Well I assume it would be genuine or was genuine if you are civ. If you're bad it would be distancing or deflection to a less important role.

what's your current read on me?

[Seanzie]

The argument has been that Sean would have killed himself so the town would at least get the info from his claimed civ flip. There was an argument in the thread about whether a tie or a civ lynch was worse. Sean thinks a tie is worse.

You continue to misrepresent the argument even though I have clarified multiple times. It is getting to the point where I think it might be intentional.

[robyn]

What made you say this in the moment?

35%, he's my top suspect but i don't necessarily want to go there today off the good chance he was civ, overnight i strongly considered tunneling him but decided against it because he found out that his pov this game was incorrect, and i don't think scotty chooses to tunnel me out of all players

So you’re feeling better about him today?

i question your ability to practice law

[Golden]

The argument has been that Sean would have killed himself so the town would at least get the info from his claimed civ flip. There was an argument in the thread about whether a tie or a civ lynch was worse. Sean thinks a tie is worse.

You continue to misrepresent the argument even though I have clarified multiple times. It is getting to the point where I think it might be intentional.

Kate clarified it the same way I understood it, fwiw. Clearly I’ve missed something.

[Seanzie]

I mean I get that info is better, but I don’t think I’d ever choose “info for the thread” over “me”

How do you think D2 would have played out if we had a no-elim D1?

It isn't just info. Also keeping the game moving forward.

[Golden]

What made you say this in the moment?

35%, he's my top suspect but i don't necessarily want to go there today off the good chance he was civ, overnight i strongly considered tunneling him but decided against it because he found out that his pov this game was incorrect, and i don't think scotty chooses to tunnel me out of all players

So you’re feeling better about him today?

i question your ability to practice law

Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.

[Kate]

The argument has been that Sean would have killed himself so the town would at least get the info from his claimed civ flip. There was an argument in the thread about whether a tie or a civ lynch was worse. Sean thinks a tie is worse.

You continue to misrepresent the argument even though I have clarified multiple times. It is getting to the point where I think it might be intentional.

Well ots certainly not intentional, fyi we all have rsv or some similar miserable virus so I may be a bit foggy minded. I also admit to having neither a crystal ball nor a photographic memory lol

Seriously though, if I misrepresented what you've said I apologize but that's my interpretation of the situation.

[Seanzie]

The argument has been that Sean would have killed himself so the town would at least get the info from his claimed civ flip. There was an argument in the thread about whether a tie or a civ lynch was worse. Sean thinks a tie is worse.

You continue to misrepresent the argument even though I have clarified multiple times. It is getting to the point where I think it might be intentional.

Kate clarified it the same way I understood it, fwiw. Clearly I’ve missed something.

Unless you have TMI, it isn't "no elim vs civ elim" it is "no elim vs ??? elim".

[robyn]

Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.

i've made a decision to hold back no longer

[Golden]

I mean I get that info is better, but I don’t think I’d ever choose “info for the thread” over “me”

How do you think D2 would have played out if we had a no-elim D1?

It isn't just info. Also keeping the game moving forward.

You know with the deleter ability, I tend to think that a tie would absolutely have lead to one if you being flipped and then a witch hunt on the other because votes went missing. So even though I kind of disagree that a day one tie kills forward momentum (it obviously would by day 3), I now really do agree with your view for this game.

[Kate]

Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.

i've made a decision to hold back no longer

You've been holding back??

Yikes, Dennis cover your eyes lol

[Golden]

The argument has been that Sean would have killed himself so the town would at least get the info from his claimed civ flip. There was an argument in the thread about whether a tie or a civ lynch was worse. Sean thinks a tie is worse.

You continue to misrepresent the argument even though I have clarified multiple times. It is getting to the point where I think it might be intentional.

Kate clarified it the same way I understood it, fwiw. Clearly I’ve missed something.

Unless you have TMI, it isn't "no elim vs civ elim" it is "no elim vs ??? elim".

I think a big part of the culture clash here is that people are willing to insert their reads into the ???

[Golden]

Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.

i've made a decision to hold back no longer

Then speak plainly. Do you think a scotty elim is what we should do today?

[robyn]

Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.

i've made a decision to hold back no longer

also it is genuinely fun playing with old school players, seeing different perspectives on reads and game theory, however i will advocate for current meta as that to me is the best practice

and i'll be my obsessive self since i'm extremely good at hunting scum

[robyn]

Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.

i've made a decision to hold back no longer

You've been holding back??

Yikes, Dennis cover your eyes lol

yeah lol

[robyn]

Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.

i've made a decision to hold back no longer

Then speak plainly. Do you think a scotty elim is what we should do today?

assuming i'm kingmaker then i would honestly lynch scotty, however i don't want the responsibility and i'm not entirely certain, so i'd prefer to pelt bea/mata

[Golden]

Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.

i've made a decision to hold back no longer

also it is genuinely fun playing with old school players, seeing different perspectives on reads and game theory, however i will advocate for current meta as that to me is the best practice

and i'll be my obsessive self since i'm extremely good at hunting scum

There’s best practice in dentistry.

In mafia there is no best practice. There’s just people who think their way is best and people who have seen an abundance of styles work well and realise that you can’t science the game into an algorithm.

The reason I’m on a five game win streak as a deepwolf is that too many people think like you. I can beat ‘best practice’ every time but I’m fucked if I think I can beat SVSs gut.

[Golden]

The only good meta in mafia is one that constantly changes and adapts so that wolves can’t play a perfect civ game.

[Golden]

Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.

i've made a decision to hold back no longer

Then speak plainly. Do you think a scotty elim is what we should do today?

assuming i'm kingmaker then i would honestly lynch scotty, however i don't want the responsibility and i'm not entirely certain, so i'd prefer to pelt bea/mata

Why not fingersplints?

[Golden]

Pelt away at bea all you want but I think the odds of successfully eliming get today are low. There was one post bea made last night that I don’t think wolf bea ever makes.

[robyn]

There’s best practice in dentistry.

In mafia there is no best practice. There’s just people who think their way is best and people who have seen an abundance of styles work well and realise that you can’t science the game into an algorithm.

The reason I’m on a five game win streak as a deepwolf is that too many people think like you. I can beat ‘best practice’ every time but I’m fucked if I think I can beat SVSs gut.

i have no doubt you're a particularly strong wolf, but i haven't played with you before so i'm mostly going in blind with you

are you a cocky wolf btw?

and there is no best practice, no absolute best method, everything works to better or worse degrees. i figure my methodology works similarly well to the methodology and time which you come from

do you think new meta is inherently worse/better/neutral and ultimately depends on the practitioner?

[Dennis]

@Soneji are you submissive and breedable

@Kate what of you?

Oh good god

[robyn]

The only good meta in mafia is one that constantly changes and adapts so that wolves can’t play a perfect civ game.

once a tell is too popular it is no longer useful, same logic applies here

[Dennis]

@Soneji are you submissive and breedable

@Kate what of you?

I'm married, rhats about as far as I'm going with that. I'll also remind you that my kid is in this thread.

Thank you.