Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

[Vivax]

@Vivax youre right, I do like to write and to talk. Why use 3 words when you could use 500? During family parties, my uncles used to pay me to go be quiet somewhere in 10 minute increments.

@RondoDimBuckle i saw your questions earlier, I’ll get to them post work.

Getting paid to shut up, now that's quite something. Like outfluencers, talk so badly about something or write satire about stuff to the point you get an income to stop you from doing it. Absolutely seems like a fun field to go in.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm exhausted. Gonna stop at Page 20. Replacing in means extra work done in less. Thanks to Kate I got a glimpse of D1 wagons without having to sum up votes on my own.



I'm currently at Seanzie town. Hence, I don't think the suggestions as to whether it was a save of Seanzie have any merit. But it's still a townie train of thought from Scotty at SoD 2.
Going to leave behind a crude legacy.

Dennis - Scum - Posts too harmlessly, hedgy, cluelessly. But I don't get a genuine vibe on that. Warrants a beginner card maybe and I'm too harsh.
Fingers - null/scum - In hindsight it was nonsense to think that the self vote meant anything. The early game absence irks me too much. At the same time I didn't see enough content to build a case on her.
Falcon - townlean - Vibes remind me a bit of myself when I subbed in. Wants to do stuff, can't get himself to do it and just goofs around the thread without much direction.
Golden - scum - I disagree with scotty on him being more verbose. It's more like he appears mentally discombombulated, a bit like myself after his recent good performance as scum. I think his D1 has been very opportunistic in places as portrayed earlier and that his complaint about today's wagons implied TMI on Seanzie and maybe Neon.
Kate - Just the screenshot warrants a townlean here. Cheap, simple. But it's the best I got. D1 was rather blendy, you can figure it out.
lucy - Missing her usual punchiness. Sort of warranted from her mentions of irl circumstances. Placing her at null.
Neon/Jack - Barely saw any content. Null.
Rondo/bea - Bea D1 catch up was a tad wolfy. Sticking to a null here as well.
Roxy - Mostly unremarkable posting - Another null for me.
SVS - Townlean - Clearly someone who finds joy in writing. While floofy, the posts I've read didn't suggest she was making it up dishonestly.
Scotty - Hard townread for me - Highly motivated and sticks his doggo nose everywhere. Hey you got something on that.
Seanzie - Townlean - Seems like Scotty #2 to me in places.

That'll be Dennis, Fingers, Golden as my guess based on partial information.

That'll be it, might phonepost low quality content from bed while I seek my recovery sleep

You know in a game about finding town you found very little in this post and a lot of null/scum in fact you have 3 scum in there if you read up which means everyone left should be town. You just posted your death here if you go over ans you are town you can't blame town for this. Also if you are wolf then dennis neon is the world I live in

I'm town who did what he could after replacing in. It's not easy, but I hope that the effort was still enough for the host's discretion. Not exactly known for popular takes here.

Dennis - Town (Scum lean but he is very IC in his posting, Neon and Vivax throwing sus on this slot at the same time could make them paired and not Dennis but I see what they are seeing)
Fingers - Probably town tbh but Fingers and I have never been able to find each other and at the moment I am eyeballing her
Falcon - As I said, he is trying and that means he is wolf (I mean he could be town and this is hedging but I havent ISO'ed him yet and I have not liked his real timing with me)
Golden - If he is Scum it is with Seanzie going bold and brazen open scum defending scum, most likely town though since no one else has CC night kill target
Kate - No strong opinions here, I have not seen anything amazing from her in real time other than vibing in thread. Will probably have to IOS
lucy - Scum until proven otherwise, she has popped in wolfy like, said nothing. Its day 4, she needs to slam me with a case or a reads list. Ender rates her ability to find wolf in a situation like this and the fact she isnt is telling to me (Or she could just be being lazy either way she cant rely on it to get to D4 without scrutiny in other games and then expect people who know her not to slam her on this meta)
Neon/Jack - Neon is town except for in the edge cases I have mentioned. She is a good deep wolf we need to hit a wolf before I am able to properly assess her.
Rondo/bea - I am town unfortunately
Roxy - Catch up has been meh squarely in the wolf box for now
SVS - Probably just town, I dont know their Meta but when ever I have seen her in others ISO she is doing town work. I could say Deep wolf possibilities here but I am not feeling that from the rest of the thread but they might have been the night kill that was protected over golden
Scotty - Just leaning town here, I have poked and prodded and he is going solid as town. However he isnt tinfoiling me like he did in [REDACTED] so I am a little suspicious of this slot but I think thats mostly tinfoil so its fine
Seanzie - wants to kill me for being myself which I completely respect and will just give a town read for it. Only one, any past this point are going to get counter yeeted

All previous shade of Golden and Seanzie was threater and anyone sussing them (Vivax) is most likely a wolf trying to capitalise on my play. The only reason I would ever actually sus these two slots again is A) We are in FX and everyone is fair game B) The wolf team is exactly Seanzie/Golden+1 other (Lucy/Roxy?)

Share with me your wolf worlds and I will tell you if I think they are viable. I am probably night kill at this point, in this list there are people who have seen me in KotH and will not let me stay around. So take advantage for the rest of the day. This is my actual and real read of the game so far and legacy unless I say otherwise. Going forward I will engage everyone as if they are town and in good faith and give them my best opinions and thoughts but that doesnt mean I think they are town

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Golden ] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

I've been projectile vomiting, and it ain't from the Wild Turkey


[VOTE: vivax] aubergine



I might be back today, or my head will be in the porcelain. Enjoy

[RondoDimBuckle]

I've been projectile vomiting, and it ain't from the Wild Turkey


[VOTE: vivax] aubergine



I might be back today, or my head will be in the porcelain. Enjoy

Interesting timing of your vote after my post. Could you explain why?

[Dennis]

Spoiler: show

Your left brain is Luigi, your right brain is Daisy, your bottom brain is Wario and your id is Yoshi

Love this post.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

nothing you’re doing is helping your case

Kiddo

And this sass. I think I'm locktowning Scotty here.

So default assumption is bad leaning. Good to know.

Ew post. This is opportunistic sarcasm.

[VOTE: sabiplz] aubergine

I'm not convinced sabi is bad but I think it's better odds than Seanzie at this point.

Golden jumps...Opportunistically.

Entire convo at this point was about disrespectful posting in regards to namings like pronouns and 'kiddo' . The difference in reactions is night/day. Most simply exchanged a few headbutts, a few like Kate moderated, but one person voted as if it was supposed to be alignment indicative while not really caring about the whole ordeal. Still seeming to pick Sabi as the culprit behind the conflict. Looking at the chop, it worked.

I was annoyed with Scotty when I said the part you said was opportunistic sarcasm but then he turned it back on me later anyways so What do you mean by ew post? Like you think it's scum?

I think you enjoy the sidelines too much and avoid getting entangled while posting to contribute in multiple instances

Yeah I try to hold only one conversation because my thoughts mix easily. This isn't just a mafia thing this happens outside of this game too. I'm sure you've picked this up but this my first game ever so I'm not trying to stay out of sight but I also need to observe at least a little bit.

You keep bringing up the fact you are new like a sheild. This is not helpful to your cause. In fact hurtful at this point

Also you can't use both I am new and need to observe a bit and "I have watched my mum play tons of mafia so that's why I know these words/ concepts"

Either you are new or you are not. Pick one.

I will grant that the first game you are playing is not as simple as that but you are going to go down because of these inconsistencies then you are going to take your mother with you for soft defending you

Ebwop

I didn't watch my mom play I asked questions.

[Vivax]

I've been projectile vomiting, and it ain't from the Wild Turkey


[VOTE: vivax] aubergine



I might be back today, or my head will be in the porcelain. Enjoy

Secretive

[RondoDimBuckle]

I will say Falcons timing on the Vivax wagon assuming nothing changes before EOD is the most wolfy if Vivax flips wolf

[Kate]

Things I've been called today:
Cheap
Simple
Not amazing

Quite a day

Anyone else want to get one in? Now's the time...

[Kate]

I will say Falcons timing on the Vivax wagon assuming nothing changes before EOD is the most wolfy if Vivax flips wolf

Yes.

[Golden]

Things I've been called today:
Cheap
Simple
Not amazing

Quite a day

Anyone else want to get one in? Now's the time...

You are amazing

[Kate]

Things I've been called today:
Cheap
Simple
Not amazing

Quite a day

Anyone else want to get one in? Now's the time...

You are amazing

You and me, both, Golden

[Golden]

I will say Falcons timing on the Vivax wagon assuming nothing changes before EOD is the most wolfy if Vivax flips wolf

Yeah, that’s because vivax and Falcon are wolfmates.

[Vivax]

Things I've been called today:
Cheap
Simple
Not amazing

Quite a day

Anyone else want to get one in? Now's the time...

You can be simple and amazing even. I didn‘t rand simple unfortunately.
By the way that‘s not an accurate description of what happened >_>

[Kate]

I will say Falcons timing on the Vivax wagon assuming nothing changes before EOD is the most wolfy if Vivax flips wolf

Yeah, that’s because vivax and Falcon are wolfmates.

[Kate]

Things I've been called today:
Cheap
Simple
Not amazing

Quite a day

Anyone else want to get one in? Now's the time...

You can be simple and amazing even. I didn‘t rand simple unfortunately.
By the way that‘s not an accurate description of what happened >_>

No, no I'm totally joking. It's just funny how in context they were all pretty much compliments. No worries, I'm not easily offended

[Golden]

@Vivax youre right, I do like to write and to talk. Why use 3 words when you could use 500? During family parties, my uncles used to pay me to go be quiet somewhere in 10 minute increments.

@RondoDimBuckle i saw your questions earlier, I’ll get to them post work.

SVS I love that anecdote so much

[Golden]

[VOTE: Golden ] aubergine

I love this coming right on the heels of the post above. It deserves a clap.

[Golden]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine

Honestly I’d rather take out Falcon today, feels like vivax is the vanilla.

[Golden]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

[Kate]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I still don't entirely grasp why counterwagons are helpful. Especially if they are planned.

[Scotty]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I’m walking back the idea of competing wagons until we can elim at least 1 wolf. Too much chance for tomfoolery to tie the vote with 2 people stripped of theirs.

[Golden]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I still don't entirely grasp why counterwagons are helpful. Especially if they are planned.

If we’ve solved the game, they’re not really.

But if we haven’t, how the wagons shake out can be indicative.

But actually, on further reflection, vote deleter could cause us to inadvertently tie, so maybe it’s a bad idea.

[Golden]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I’m walking back the idea of competing wagons until we can elim at least 1 wolf. Too much chance for tomfoolery to tie the vote with 2 people stripped of theirs.

Yeah that just occurred to me too. Snap, you can have a townread for this.

[RondoDimBuckle]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I still don't entirely grasp why counterwagons are helpful. Especially if they are planned.

It will show who lost votes (i.e. who the wolves targeted) which means we know who could be town because its unlikely the wolves target themselves (But now that I have said it outloud its kinda pointless)

[Golden]

My take on the game state is that vivax and Falcon are doing their best to deepwolf fingersplints.

[RondoDimBuckle]

My take on the game state is that vivax and Falcon are doing their best to deepwolf fingersplints.

I would live with this. Neon is someone I would keep an eye on too

[Golden]

Scotty, your wool is looking lush today.

[Scotty]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I’m walking back the idea of competing wagons until we can elim at least 1 wolf. Too much chance for tomfoolery to tie the vote with 2 people stripped of theirs.

Yeah that just occurred to me too. Snap, you can have a townread for this.

nonono I need more people to lightly tinfoil me so I won’t be killed tonite

[Scotty]

Scotty, your wool is looking lush today.

thanks

my wife ordered some shampoo online and it came as a conditioner + shampoo 2-in-1 and it’s making things really shiny

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Golden @Scotty @S~V~S @Seanzie how many do we need to lock the game? is us 5 good enough?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I feel like at worst there is 1 wolf in that grouping

[Vivax]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I’m walking back the idea of competing wagons until we can elim at least 1 wolf. Too much chance for tomfoolery to tie the vote with 2 people stripped of theirs.

Yeah that just occurred to me too. Snap, you can have a townread for this.

I‘ve read 20 pages and the fresh ones since sub and think he has been rather obvious town.

Maybe I‘ve read him quicker, or maybe you‘re scum lol.
(Or maybe I have TMI lolol)

Feeling silly today. Might spawn a new plane of existence or something.

[Vivax]

Scotty, your wool is looking lush today.

thanks

my wife ordered some shampoo online and it came as a conditioner + shampoo 2-in-1 and it’s making things really shiny

Only the best for you babe

[Scotty]

Scotty, your wool is looking lush today.

thanks

my wife ordered some shampoo online and it came as a conditioner + shampoo 2-in-1 and it’s making things really shiny

Only the best for you babe

[Scotty]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I’m walking back the idea of competing wagons until we can elim at least 1 wolf. Too much chance for tomfoolery to tie the vote with 2 people stripped of theirs.

Yeah that just occurred to me too. Snap, you can have a townread for this.

I‘ve read 20 pages and the fresh ones since sub and think he has been rather obvious town.

Maybe I‘ve read him quicker, or maybe you‘re scum lol.
(Or maybe I have TMI lolol)

Feeling silly today. Might spawn a new plane of existence or something.

Being a sub is hard as shit and you’ve done a commendable job catching up.

If you are town I apologize but at least we’ll have your legacy! Very helpful either way

[Kate]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I’m walking back the idea of competing wagons until we can elim at least 1 wolf. Too much chance for tomfoolery to tie the vote with 2 people stripped of theirs.

Yeah that just occurred to me too. Snap, you can have a townread for this.

nonono I need more people to lightly tinfoil me so I won’t be killed tonite

I don't trust you. Haven't the entire game. HTH

[Golden]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I’m walking back the idea of competing wagons until we can elim at least 1 wolf. Too much chance for tomfoolery to tie the vote with 2 people stripped of theirs.

Yeah that just occurred to me too. Snap, you can have a townread for this.

nonono I need more people to lightly tinfoil me so I won’t be killed tonite

[Golden]

@Golden @Scotty @S~V~S @Seanzie how many do we need to lock the game? is us 5 good enough?

I can confidently add Kate to that group.

[Golden]

Also not particularly wedded to the read that vivax is the goon I’m just feeling it.

[Kate]

@Golden @Scotty @S~V~S @Seanzie how many do we need to lock the game? is us 5 good enough?

I can confidently add Kate to that group.

Agreed or at least replace scotty with me. Also add Dennis.

Also not particularly wedded to the read that vivax is the goon I’m just feeling it.

Me too.

[Kate]

Ebwop:

I am wedded to it, but also feeling it is what I should have said

[Golden]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I’m walking back the idea of competing wagons until we can elim at least 1 wolf. Too much chance for tomfoolery to tie the vote with 2 people stripped of theirs.

Yeah that just occurred to me too. Snap, you can have a townread for this.

I‘ve read 20 pages and the fresh ones since sub and think he has been rather obvious town.

Maybe I‘ve read him quicker, or maybe you‘re scum lol.
(Or maybe I have TMI lolol)

Feeling silly today. Might spawn a new plane of existence or something.

Being a sub is hard as shit and you’ve done a commendable job catching up.

If you are town I apologize but at least we’ll have your legacy! Very helpful either way

I tautoko this sentiment, especially if caught wolf it’s a mammoth effort.

[Vivax]

I‘m either an extrasensorial power dude or someone hijacked my mind and trapped me and I‘m causing glitches.

Or both.
Either way.
Gonna check out Fingers iso

[Vivax]

Read like 1/3 of it and it looks pretty meh.
Plain old stay away vibes tbh. No solviness

[RondoDimBuckle]

But I don’t disagree that vivax does more to resolve a lot about the game.

And it doesn’t look like vivax/Falcon counterwagons are happening.

I’m walking back the idea of competing wagons until we can elim at least 1 wolf. Too much chance for tomfoolery to tie the vote with 2 people stripped of theirs.

Yeah that just occurred to me too. Snap, you can have a townread for this.

I‘ve read 20 pages and the fresh ones since sub and think he has been rather obvious town.

Maybe I‘ve read him quicker, or maybe you‘re scum lol.
(Or maybe I have TMI lolol)

Feeling silly today. Might spawn a new plane of existence or something.

This just feels like trapped wolf in anti-spew

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Golden @Scotty @S~V~S @Seanzie how many do we need to lock the game? is us 5 good enough?

I can confidently add Kate to that group.

ugh I hate you but ok you can have your own venn diagram

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Golden @Scotty @S~V~S @Seanzie how many do we need to lock the game? is us 5 good enough?

I can confidently add Kate to that group.

Agreed or at least replace scotty with me. Also add Dennis.

Also not particularly wedded to the read that vivax is the goon I’m just feeling it.

Me too.

I feel like you are too close to Dennis if you are his mother. (Edge case you are wolves together and you are protecting him like you normally would so it looks and feels natural to people who know you) But if Golden trusts you and Vivax flips wolf I will be inclined to believe that. The upside is if Neon is wolf it doenst mean Dennis has to be (in my worlds) so..... I will chill on the dennis for now but not because I am letting go

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[S~V~S]

So you dont think you need to re-evaluate? You are locking myself and Seanzie town? 0 chance of either of us being wolf?

You think Vivax be bad. Who are the other two?

If Vivax flips town who are the three?

If Seanzie is wolf who are viable partners?

If I am wolf who are viable partners?

After the Soneji elimination, I did reevaluate. I was quasi tunnelling Lucy (who I hope is OK, last time she posted she sounded like she was in a rough space), I was woof reading Splints and cutting too many people slack due to IRL concerns. Real concerns in their real lives, and I don't want to sound cold. But even people with irl problems can be randomized bad.

I really do think Sean is town. I also thought Bea was town. You personally could be either, I think the way you came in, poking people with sticks and demanding answers intentionally comes across as town, but I've done it myself when bad. But I really thought Bea was a civ, so that colors my view of you.

If Vivax indeed be bad, I would look to Falcon and perhaps Neon. I read Kates points on Mata, where she pointed out Matas waffles on Falcon. I also felt I was missing Matas civ game early, but felt bad when she poked back at me. Neon I am less sure on; Neon came into the game like Vivax did, calling for Seanzies head, and she wouldn't stop until Golden basically forced her to. It's almost like I can visualize a sign over the Evil Chatroom door; "Death to Seanzie". Suspecting Sean doesn't make Neon bad, but there were things to be seen in the thread, and I am the suck at picking up things to be seen, and even I saw them. Also all the data dumps with very little context or analysis of them. That was an old baddie trick where I used to play, and usually the people who did it were the ones who also did it as town, except they actually did something with the data. Is data analysis generally a Neon thing?

I feel more confident on Falcon than Neon, though. My gut has been the suck for the most part this game, prolly becasue I had no familiarity not only with the players, but the way they played. I might not have felt that way about Neon had Vivax not come into the thread that way himself, gunning for Sean.

At this time, I am going to trust Roxys view of Splints. I think Roxy is town, and she knows Splints game well, and my read on her was a bit skewed by emotion the last day, so I'm stepping back from that now.

If Vivax flips town, I would need to reevaluate Scotty. Early in the game, I did not see the supatown Scotty from Game 1 BUT I subbed in to that, so I didn't see his early game there. Part of my Vivax read is based on he & Scotty being Masons in Game 1.

If Sean is bad ... I have no fucking idea ha ha He started out my game by tunnelling me, and I have thought he was town the whole game. If he's bad, Imma need to get a gut transplant or something. I probably would take a harder look at Dennis due to his Day 1 vote.

If you're a woof, anyone, really, could be your team. You came in like a ball of fire, and lit a fire under everyone. When I'm bad I tend to distance a bit like that, rather than by avoiding my partners. When i'm subbing into a thread, I do the "Fresh Eyes" thing with a vengeance, shake things up, and spare no one. I do that good or bad. So so far, I would have no way of telling.