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Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
This thread is hilarious, everyone thinks they were the NK targets.
I do agree that I like todays wagons, although I like the Lucy one more since I have actively sussed her as opposed to second hand suspicion re falcon, also I think it will say more about Golden than a falcon lynch would. But if we are doing the two wagons thing, this works for me. Although we need to keep in mind that *if* Lucy is bad, she, or her team, isn't ever cancelling Goldens vote (or trying to NK him).
I suppose I could see Lucy/Golden but I don't see Golden/Mata. As you say, how this lynch comes out will help me focus it somewhat. As of right now, I think he's town. But times change and so do minds.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:50 pm
Your tinfoil of golden mirrors mine. I think his game of self-assuredness is far messier and different than the last game. He has insisted multiple times he wins games as a deepwolf more often than not and is on a streak as such. That precedence niggles on my confidence all the time with him in that ‘he seems so town, but I DONT wanna be snowed by him again, so maybe the best move is to eliminate him before he gets there just in case.’ Which is a shitty way to approach it, because town golden is a strong player. That tinfoil hat is less tinfoil and more 3D-printed pseudo carbon fiber and a terrible fashion choice to be wearing around the farm. So I also am not pursuing it, but if we start eliminating what should be most likely candidates for wolves in lucy/falcon…and they’re both town…? I’m all for chopping golden.
I don’t think there are 2 town in falcon/lucy as of now. I can see a case where only 1 is wolf and someone else is propping them up, but I definitely feel like one of them going over today is integral to our solve.
I do agree that I like todays wagons, although I like the Lucy one more since I have actively sussed her as opposed to second hand suspicion re falcon, also I think it will say more about Golden than a falcon lynch would. But if we are doing the two wagons thing, this works for me. Although we need to keep in mind that *if* Lucy is bad, she, or her team, isn't ever cancelling Goldens vote (or trying to NK him).
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Because I feel better about the people above you.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:39 amWhy do you have me so low?fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:17 am @golden was it you who asked for the rainbow reads. I want to reread some (mostly mata, falcon, lucy, and then others but already a lot for me lol)
So here is town top, mafia bottom. In order with deliberate spacing lol
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Roxy
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Neon
SVS
Dennis
Falcon
Rondo
Scotty
Seanzie
Lucy
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]
Like Marmots NK; I could see a baddie team with one member in the bottom tier NKing him as a WIFOM move. But a Golden/Mata team would have to be incredibly arrogant to kill Marmot here. Possible, but not sure I see it.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:03 pm Here's that rainbow list that no one asked for. Players are listed alphabetically in tiers.
Town
S~V~S
Dennis
Light Town
falcon45ca
Kate
Sabiplz
Scotty
Null or No Content
bea
DrWilgy
fingersplints
jack shepherd
lucy
Roxy
Seanzie
Soneji
Mafia Lean
Golden
Matahari
And to include a recap on players I haven't talked about yet that I have now sorted into tiers:
falcon45ca: I also don't really trust Golden, albeit might be for different reasons. His vibes don't strike me as hitting the notes of his scum game.
Scotty: Has been active and prodding, and also mostly harmless. I think of the townleans I have, his is the least strongest, but GTH, I do think he's town, and I have seen enough content from him to slot him here for now.
Matahari: Some of her thoughts that she posted in #529 lack direction. That is fine. But I get the feeling that she is pushing herself to talk about players when she doesn't have anything specific to say about them. Soneji in particular.
At the time, I thought it might have been Sabi that NKed him, or after they flipped civ, I thought it might have been Lucy trying to isolate Sabi. But it could have been for totally different reasons, and I could be out of left field.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]
I do agree in a bubble that seems a bit too on-the-nose for bad golden as well as bad mataS~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:40 pmLike Marmots NK; I could see a baddie team with one member in the bottom tier NKing him as a WIFOM move. But a Golden/Mata team would have to be incredibly arrogant to kill Marmot here. Possible, but not sure I see it.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:03 pm Here's that rainbow list that no one asked for. Players are listed alphabetically in tiers.
Town
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Dennis
Light Town
falcon45ca
Kate
Sabiplz
Scotty
Null or No Content
bea
DrWilgy
fingersplints
jack shepherd
lucy
Roxy
Seanzie
Soneji
Mafia Lean
Golden
Matahari
And to include a recap on players I haven't talked about yet that I have now sorted into tiers:
falcon45ca: I also don't really trust Golden, albeit might be for different reasons. His vibes don't strike me as hitting the notes of his scum game.
Scotty: Has been active and prodding, and also mostly harmless. I think of the townleans I have, his is the least strongest, but GTH, I do think he's town, and I have seen enough content from him to slot him here for now.
Matahari: Some of her thoughts that she posted in #529 lack direction. That is fine. But I get the feeling that she is pushing herself to talk about players when she doesn't have anything specific to say about them. Soneji in particular.
At the time, I thought it might have been Sabi that NKed him, or after they flipped civ, I thought it might have been Lucy trying to isolate Sabi. But it could have been for totally different reasons, and I could be out of left field.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Me, onto mata and Falcon from the startS~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:27 pm This thread is hilarious, everyone thinks they were the NK targets.
I suppose I could see Lucy/Golden but I don't see Golden/Mata. As you say, how this lynch comes out will help me focus it somewhat. As of right now, I think he's town. But times change and so do minds.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:50 pm
Your tinfoil of golden mirrors mine. I think his game of self-assuredness is far messier and different than the last game. He has insisted multiple times he wins games as a deepwolf more often than not and is on a streak as such. That precedence niggles on my confidence all the time with him in that ‘he seems so town, but I DONT wanna be snowed by him again, so maybe the best move is to eliminate him before he gets there just in case.’ Which is a shitty way to approach it, because town golden is a strong player. That tinfoil hat is less tinfoil and more 3D-printed pseudo carbon fiber and a terrible fashion choice to be wearing around the farm. So I also am not pursuing it, but if we start eliminating what should be most likely candidates for wolves in lucy/falcon…and they’re both town…? I’m all for chopping golden.
I don’t think there are 2 town in falcon/lucy as of now. I can see a case where only 1 is wolf and someone else is propping them up, but I definitely feel like one of them going over today is integral to our solve.
I do agree that I like todays wagons, although I like the Lucy one more since I have actively sussed her as opposed to second hand suspicion re falcon, also I think it will say more about Golden than a falcon lynch would. But if we are doing the two wagons thing, this works for me. Although we need to keep in mind that *if* Lucy is bad, she, or her team, isn't ever cancelling Goldens vote (or trying to NK him).
“The baddies would never block, nk or vote block golden”
Nonsense.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
@Golden i meant that in a world where Lucy was bad. Not otherwise. You can stop huffing now
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Even if Lucy is bad (and I think you have probably been right about this) I see no reason they are any less likely to delete my vote based on townreading just one of their members.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
In any event, I don’t think the identity of the deleted vote is something we should plan on figuring out.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Oh yeah, we can’t figure it out. I just want us to remember it exists if we form a voting strategy. And keep it in mind in a “what would” kind of way.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
I can say very confidently that I do not think I was a NK target
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
I think a two vote majority on any target to avoid a tie is essential, yeah. Even though I prefer Falcon I’ll vote Lucy today if it means avoiding vote manipulation shenanigans.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Did you ever get an answer to this? I have no idea myself, I would like to know, too.
You're mighty quiet today. Do you have any thoughts on todays discussion?
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
I agree, but I would prefer Lucy. Short of falcon coming in here with a list of his victims, I don't see me changing my vote. I don't think anyone seems to be thinking she is townGolden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:46 pmI think a two vote majority on any target to avoid a tie is essential, yeah. Even though I prefer Falcon I’ll vote Lucy today if it means avoiding vote manipulation shenanigans.
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I’m quite fine being the one to swap of the two of us.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:13 pmI agree, but I would prefer Lucy. Short of falcon coming in here with a list of his victims, I don't see me changing my vote. I don't think anyone seems to be thinking she is townGolden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:46 pmI think a two vote majority on any target to avoid a tie is essential, yeah. Even though I prefer Falcon I’ll vote Lucy today if it means avoiding vote manipulation shenanigans.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
I think Neon said it meant round?
I don't really have any thoughts that someone else hasn't already said. I'm trying to wrap my head around figuring out who might've been connected to Mata/Vivax.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
I still think Lucy is a bad elim.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
How passionate are you about it on a scale from meh to ‘what are you doing you fools’?
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Why? Do you think she is town?
Her only real suspicions have been Sean, low posters and waffles.
I am not seeing anything town and very much that is the opposite of town.
Show me what I’m missing. Because I am 100% missing the town part of her iso.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
R as in RD? I think it means real day, as opposed to a game day.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:28 pmI think Neon said it meant round?
I don't really have any thoughts that someone else hasn't already said. I'm trying to wrap my head around figuring out who might've been connected to Mata/Vivax.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Somewhere in between. Not as much as Sabi though.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
My vibe read says town. She's busy and I don't see wolfy motivation when I run town and scum scenarios.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
So this is gut, not based on what she’s posted or or voted or anything like that?Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pmMy vibe read says town. She's busy and I don't see wolfy motivation when I run town and scum scenarios.
I respect that. Follow your own gut, not someone else’s.
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Not entirely it's vibes but also I just don't see wolfy play.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:36 pmSo this is gut, not based on what she’s posted or or voted or anything like that?Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:33 pmMy vibe read says town. She's busy and I don't see wolfy motivation when I run town and scum scenarios.
I respect that. Follow your own gut, not someone else’s.
I see a busy player who's admitted to being busy who's clearly been playing follower not leader and it feels like a townie who's been following the consensus because she can't keep up.
Like she was a strong voice before she got busy and has fallen off a cliff and it all feels town.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
But she’s the fifth highest poster
And I tend to view a high poster falling off the earth to be suspicious. But I am less familiar with the current meta, so I could be misinterpreting.
And I tend to view a high poster falling off the earth to be suspicious. But I am less familiar with the current meta, so I could be misinterpreting.
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Weee rainbow list!!
Me
Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon
Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.
Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.
Have it all, y'all
Me
Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon
Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.
Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.
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@S~V~S I think you wanted rainbow lists so there you go
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
I feel like I should be way higher regardless of Golden, but 'ya know, you do you.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:01 pm Weee rainbow list!!
Me
Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon
Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.
Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Thanks! Yours looks better than mine.
I think Scotty or Golden asked for them first, but at this stage the more reads we have and the more people who make them the better.
Golden (I think)wrote some good posts on splints,
I feel better about her than I did.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
And 90% of that was when?
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Which is what I've said
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Hmmmm...Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:01 pm Weee rainbow list!!
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Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon
Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.
Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Before she started taking a lot of suspicion a few days back?
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10/10 reactionNeon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:12 pmHmmmm...Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:01 pm Weee rainbow list!!
Me
Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon
Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.
Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Busy people can be bad, too
That’s why i try to base suspicions on what people have done and said rather than what they haven’t.
Nothing in her iso is town, imo, neither before nor after she fell off.
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I haven't been able to understand your intentions the entire time, hence why you're just under the 'scum' line.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:07 pmI feel like I should be way higher regardless of Golden, but 'ya know, you do you.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:01 pm Weee rainbow list!!
Me
Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon
Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.
Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.
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It's okay. I also don't understand my intentions.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:17 pmI haven't been able to understand your intentions the entire time, hence why you're just under the 'scum' line.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:07 pmI feel like I should be way higher regardless of Golden, but 'ya know, you do you.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:01 pm Weee rainbow list!!
Me
Golden
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Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon
Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.
Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.
Have it all, y'all
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I'm kind of surprised no one has accused me of taking refuge in audacity.
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Is that because you don't think I am scum or he just posts one word scum cases?Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:02 pmGod I just…I can’t shake that you’re just bad. I haven’t agreed or even followed a lot of your post progressions this game.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:03 amBoom bye scum.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:43 amOk I am just going to ignore your slot now, I understand Mac's POV on you even more. You should open a construction company
Bumping you down to the same tier on my rainbow list as falcon
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Yeah when I subbed in I first went to every night kill and read their iso which is why I slammed golden so hard in my entry to the game but he weathered the storm fine and seanzie isn't trying to yeet him so shrug if Marmont is wrong he is wrongScotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:06 pmSo like, do you think she would have taken precedence for him over Marmot N1? It seems to me that Marmot as a kill makes the most sense if Mata wanted to eliminate suspicion on her and was leading the charge.
Which is funny to think, because Mata is by far the least important mafia role, so why would Mata be spooked that much. The only other person Marmot seemed to suspect to an extent was…you.
Ugh. I wish the cop had checked you. Or maybe they have, and haven’t revealed yet. It would just ease my confused heart
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See that's what I have been thinking too but there hasn't been anything on them and you would think the doc would want to murder the wolf claiming doc as a 1 to 1 it's fine to lose doc we already have two saves but yeah I am operating in a limbo on thatScotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:13 pmI’m not saying it isn’t possible- but if you think about it, why would the real doc want to out themselves?
It’s not about whether or not you’re right, but it’s the way you’re going about it is screaming “I AM RIGHT, WHO DARES
COUNTERCLAIM??” It looks like role fish[slap]ing
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Wait Scotty is this a direct statement that golden should die? Because if it's is I will vote him now and hard just say the wordSeanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:22 pmYes.
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Can I get a longer breakdown as to why instead of a flippant response?fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:36 pmBecause I feel better about the people above you.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:39 amWhy do you have me so low?fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:17 am @golden was it you who asked for the rainbow reads. I want to reread some (mostly mata, falcon, lucy, and then others but already a lot for me lol)
So here is town top, mafia bottom. In order with deliberate spacing lol
I CBA with the colours on my phone sorry
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
No I was trying to see if I could discern what Seanzie means when he says he’s kill someone.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:25 pmWait Scotty is this a direct statement that golden should die? Because if it's is I will vote him now and hard just say the wordSeanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:22 pmYes.
He said the same thing to Golden after golden called him the doc.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Also killing Golden today is like going to the casino and betting it all on black at the roulette table. It’d be a sexy win, but it’s a fools bet
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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I believe this is extremely disingenuous to what I'm arguing here
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Yeah the quiet Dennis just makes me think of wolf happy to let town devour themselves
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Well bothRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:17 pmIs that because you don't think I am scum or he just posts one word scum cases?Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:02 pmGod I just…I can’t shake that you’re just bad. I haven’t agreed or even followed a lot of your post progressions this game.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:03 amBoom bye scum.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:43 amOk I am just going to ignore your slot now, I understand Mac's POV on you even more. You should open a construction company
Bumping you down to the same tier on my rainbow list as falcon
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 5]
Hmmmm...RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:30 pmYeah the quiet Dennis just makes me think of wolf happy to let town devour themselves
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