Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

[RondoDimBuckle]

How to take a sure win and turn it into a loss

A playbook.

Step 1. Preflip a player a as wolf

Step 2. Solve only in worlds where player a is wolf

Step 3. Don't be paranoid of why there's been little to no push back in hours.

Step 4. Spend hours fucking around while waiting for EoD because the wagon isn't changing anyways because nobody cares.

Step 5. Ignore the fact that player A is level 0 and everything fits together way to cleanly.

Step 6. Player A flips town. Nobody reevaluates

Step 7. Accuse player C of tmi for being the only one to TR player A

Step 8. Kill player C.

Also noting I do not like the attack on town WIM here

How the FUCK is this an attack on town WiM lol

The part where you attack wim

Then the part where you step by step attack wim

[RondoDimBuckle]

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Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say the people on Falcon AND Rondo are all town.

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

who fits with Vivax/Meta

Everyone else on the wagon should be seeing a 2 in 4 of the others are wolves

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Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say there is only one wolf on each wagon max

Dennis / Rondo

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

Falcon / Neon

- Falcon and Neon should have a difference check on each other (I dont think I can pick between Neon / Falcon atm)

- I have a difference check on Dennis

- Golden and Seanzie should be looking at Fingers / SVS / Scotty (I think Scotty is the loser here from Fingers reaction)

So out of

Dennis / Falcon / Neon / Scotty - there should be 2 wolves


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which is more likely?
why would they avoid the Lucy wagon? Why would they be on the Lucy wagon?

I will even repost it for you

I didn’t/don’t understand the post/question

if you look at the original post it has a screenshot of the wagons, I am asking you to run through two worlds and give me your opinion on who are wolves. Dont forget Roxy because she hasnt voted yet I havent put her in but she is an important element of this game

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

How to take a sure win and turn it into a loss

A playbook.

Step 1. Preflip a player a as wolf

Step 2. Solve only in worlds where player a is wolf

Step 3. Don't be paranoid of why there's been little to no push back in hours.

Step 4. Spend hours fucking around while waiting for EoD because the wagon isn't changing anyways because nobody cares.

Step 5. Ignore the fact that player A is level 0 and everything fits together way to cleanly.

Step 6. Player A flips town. Nobody reevaluates

Step 7. Accuse player C of tmi for being the only one to TR player A

Step 8. Kill player C.

Also noting I do not like the attack on town WIM here

How the FUCK is this an attack on town WiM lol

The part where you attack wim

Then the part where you step by step attack wim

Yes me saying. Hey this is dumb heres why is a bad thing. True.

Town is fucking literally sleepwalking. Sorry i believe in my read ig lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm out see you tomorrow

[RondoDimBuckle]

Yes me saying. Hey this is dumb heres why is a bad thing. True.

Town is fucking literally sleepwalking. Sorry i believe in my read ig lol

Im not against you trying to wake town up. Its just an attack on Wim is scummy to me. The way you are going about it is not a way that will convince me and will demoralise most people

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Unless a cop checked Lucy and I'm just a fucking idiot. And missed that soft (frankly possible) than I just don't get it. I don't get it.

Giving up and bussing one wolf who's vanilla makes perfect sense. Giving up and letting two woofs die for free when there's been opportunities to save them that I don't get.

If the woofs rolled over than cool ig but why lol it's not like someone dumped your whole team I'd be fighting my ass off as wolf here.

This is too easy. I do not like it I do not think we are right I hope to God I'm just wrong and I suck ass.

I probably do. I've always sucked lol. But I'm still gonna blindly trust myself here.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Rondo ] aubergine

Self voting is against the rules. Please move.

[Seanzie]

I’d like to see more legacy rainbows tbh

LEGACY

I halp!

[Dennis]

How to take a sure win and turn it into a loss

A playbook.

Step 1. Preflip a player a as wolf

Step 2. Solve only in worlds where player a is wolf

Step 3. Don't be paranoid of why there's been little to no push back in hours.

Step 4. Spend hours fucking around while waiting for EoD because the wagon isn't changing anyways because nobody cares.

Step 5. Ignore the fact that player A is level 0 and everything fits together way to cleanly.

Step 6. Player A flips town. Nobody reevaluates

Step 7. Accuse player C of tmi for being the only one to TR player A

Step 8. Kill player C.

Also noting I do not like the attack on town WIM here

How the FUCK is this an attack on town WiM lol

The part where you attack wim

Then the part where you step by step attack wim

What is WiM?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Unless a cop checked Lucy and I'm just a fucking idiot. And missed that soft (frankly possible) than I just don't get it. I don't get it.

Giving up and bussing one wolf who's vanilla makes perfect sense. Giving up and letting two woofs die for free when there's been opportunities to save them that I don't get.

If the woofs rolled over than cool ig but why lol it's not like someone dumped your whole team I'd be fighting my ass off as wolf here.

This is too easy. I do not like it I do not think we are right I hope to God I'm just wrong and I suck ass.

I probably do. I've always sucked lol. But I'm still gonna blindly trust myself here.

I think you are likely correct, thats why I am pushing for other angles. BUT Lucy has not helped her case so I am not going to attack people who are voting her because low key I agree with them. Golden could be right. Game could be over. I agree with you if thats the case cool lol. I agree with you I would be fighting tooth and nail. Like you are, to save Lucy. Which is something I know you would do as wolf and I have seen you do so your ATE of "I give up I am out" only hurts you more. I am trying to keep an open mind but you are just railing against the Lucy wagon and the best option youve provided as an alternative is Scotty and no follow up or a shrug falcon. You can see how from my pov Lucy could likely be a hit? She could also be a level 0 busy town who can see we basically have the game on lock and has walked away. I just dont see her doing that as town. She hasnt even tried to vibe with me like she usually would in a game. No joke posts no "Hey welcome to the game" just 'fuck you for expecting me to play the game I signed up for because I am busy' and dipping.

I also note she has failed to vote so we can use her vote to figure out who other town/wolves could be. She is just gone.

Roxy has also not voted despite having time to post fluff about her grandkid so I see Lucy/Roxy equity in regards to giving up wolves

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Rondo ] aubergine

Self voting is against the rules. Please move.

oh shit, sorry, yeah, forgot

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

[Golden]

I’d like to see more legacy rainbows tbh

LEGACY

I halp!

I like this.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Dennis want it more, as in desire to play the game and win it

[RondoDimBuckle]

Also a demoralising attack is something I have seen Neon do as wolf to save a partner one more day in KOTH she could just be trying to win this game through sheer audacity

[Golden]

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Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say the people on Falcon AND Rondo are all town.

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

who fits with Vivax/Meta

Everyone else on the wagon should be seeing a 2 in 4 of the others are wolves

===============================

Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say there is only one wolf on each wagon max

Dennis / Rondo

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

Falcon / Neon

- Falcon and Neon should have a difference check on each other (I dont think I can pick between Neon / Falcon atm)

- I have a difference check on Dennis

- Golden and Seanzie should be looking at Fingers / SVS / Scotty (I think Scotty is the loser here from Fingers reaction)

So out of

Dennis / Falcon / Neon / Scotty - there should be 2 wolves


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which is more likely?
why would they avoid the Lucy wagon? Why would they be on the Lucy wagon?

I will even repost it for you

I didn’t/don’t understand the post/question

if you look at the original post it has a screenshot of the wagons, I am asking you to run through two worlds and give me your opinion on who are wolves. Dont forget Roxy because she hasnt voted yet I havent put her in but she is an important element of this game

So in both your worlds lucy is town?

[RondoDimBuckle]

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Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say the people on Falcon AND Rondo are all town.

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

who fits with Vivax/Meta

Everyone else on the wagon should be seeing a 2 in 4 of the others are wolves

===============================

Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say there is only one wolf on each wagon max

Dennis / Rondo

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

Falcon / Neon

- Falcon and Neon should have a difference check on each other (I dont think I can pick between Neon / Falcon atm)

- I have a difference check on Dennis

- Golden and Seanzie should be looking at Fingers / SVS / Scotty (I think Scotty is the loser here from Fingers reaction)

So out of

Dennis / Falcon / Neon / Scotty - there should be 2 wolves


========================

which is more likely?
why would they avoid the Lucy wagon? Why would they be on the Lucy wagon?

I will even repost it for you

I didn’t/don’t understand the post/question

if you look at the original post it has a screenshot of the wagons, I am asking you to run through two worlds and give me your opinion on who are wolves. Dont forget Roxy because she hasnt voted yet I havent put her in but she is an important element of this game

So in both your worlds lucy is town?

for this experiment both lucy and falcon are town

[RondoDimBuckle]

clarification, run once, lucy town, run once falcon town and run again both town

[Seanzie]

How to take a sure win and turn it into a loss

A playbook.

Step 1. Preflip a player a as wolf

Step 2. Solve only in worlds where player a is wolf

Step 3. Don't be paranoid of why there's been little to no push back in hours.

Step 4. Spend hours fucking around while waiting for EoD because the wagon isn't changing anyways because nobody cares.

Step 5. Ignore the fact that player A is level 0 and everything fits together way to cleanly.

Step 6. Player A flips town. Nobody reevaluates

Step 7. Accuse player C of tmi for being the only one to TR player A

Step 8. Kill player C.

Also noting I do not like the attack on town WIM here

How the FUCK is this an attack on town WiM lol

The part where you attack wim

Then the part where you step by step attack wim

What is WiM?

wim - "want it more" - a measure of how invested a person is or how hard they're willing to work.

[Golden]

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Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say the people on Falcon AND Rondo are all town.

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

who fits with Vivax/Meta

Everyone else on the wagon should be seeing a 2 in 4 of the others are wolves

===============================

Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say there is only one wolf on each wagon max

Dennis / Rondo

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

Falcon / Neon

- Falcon and Neon should have a difference check on each other (I dont think I can pick between Neon / Falcon atm)

- I have a difference check on Dennis

- Golden and Seanzie should be looking at Fingers / SVS / Scotty (I think Scotty is the loser here from Fingers reaction)

So out of

Dennis / Falcon / Neon / Scotty - there should be 2 wolves


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which is more likely?
why would they avoid the Lucy wagon? Why would they be on the Lucy wagon?

I will even repost it for you

I didn’t/don’t understand the post/question

if you look at the original post it has a screenshot of the wagons, I am asking you to run through two worlds and give me your opinion on who are wolves. Dont forget Roxy because she hasnt voted yet I havent put her in but she is an important element of this game

So in both your worlds lucy is town?

for this experiment both lucy and falcon are town

In the world where Falcon and Lucy are both town, Scotty is bad 100% of the time, and I’d need to reread you/bea and Dennis carefully to work out the other one.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Unless a cop checked Lucy and I'm just a fucking idiot. And missed that soft (frankly possible) than I just don't get it. I don't get it.

Giving up and bussing one wolf who's vanilla makes perfect sense. Giving up and letting two woofs die for free when there's been opportunities to save them that I don't get.

If the woofs rolled over than cool ig but why lol it's not like someone dumped your whole team I'd be fighting my ass off as wolf here.

This is too easy. I do not like it I do not think we are right I hope to God I'm just wrong and I suck ass.

I probably do. I've always sucked lol. But I'm still gonna blindly trust myself here.

I think you are likely correct, thats why I am pushing for other angles. BUT Lucy has not helped her case so I am not going to attack people who are voting her because low key I agree with them. Golden could be right. Game could be over. I agree with you if thats the case cool lol. I agree with you I would be fighting tooth and nail. Like you are, to save Lucy. Which is something I know you would do as wolf and I have seen you do so your ATE of "I give up I am out" only hurts you more. I am trying to keep an open mind but you are just railing against the Lucy wagon and the best option youve provided as an alternative is Scotty and no follow up or a shrug falcon. You can see how from my pov Lucy could likely be a hit? She could also be a level 0 busy town who can see we basically have the game on lock and has walked away. I just dont see her doing that as town. She hasnt even tried to vibe with me like she usually would in a game. No joke posts no "Hey welcome to the game" just 'fuck you for expecting me to play the game I signed up for because I am busy' and dipping.

I also note she has failed to vote so we can use her vote to figure out who other town/wolves could be. She is just gone.

Roxy has also not voted despite having time to post fluff about her grandkid so I see Lucy/Roxy equity in regards to giving up wolves

The problem is if I'm right there's at least 1 deep wolf.

Because my world view right now is that Falcon and Lucy are town.

Which means we are completely off base. Scotty has had consistent sus without much push and I do think that's wolf indicative but if Scotty is wolf I think it's with someone deep like Golden or even SVS and if I'm right in my world view that's not a fight I'm willing to try to take right now.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I don't want to try to convince you all that someone is deep when I can't even convince you all that this is to level 0 easy.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I don't want to try to convince you all that someone is deep when I can't even convince you all that this is to level 0 easy.

I said deep could be you and scotty you said I was mad for thinking there was a deep wolf

Deep wolves I would accept right now are:

Roxy/SVS/Neon/Scotty/finger


Seanzie and Golden are holding the line so its still locked in as untoucable

[Golden]

clarification, run once, lucy town, run once falcon town and run again both town

My PoE is always, always, Lucy scotty Falcon.

Only in a world where two of them are peeked/flipped green do I live in another world.

Let me be clearer about why.

Cop and deputy are two people I believe I know who they are in the thread, and I believe they have cleared three people as green peeks between them, plus I believe Seanzie is doc.

I think the game is solved because I have been pouring I’ve every inch of the thread finding the peeks I know must be seeded in there.

In a world where my PoE is wrong, I am wrong about the identity of cop/deputy. Which means someone has used language that I think they shouldn’t have if they weren’t one of those roles, and someone else isn’t being clear, but that’s ok.

[Golden]

I perceive mechanically cleared town numbers at 6.

Plus two where I just can’t see their wolfworld.

That leaves only three people.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I don't want to try to convince you all that someone is deep when I can't even convince you all that this is to level 0 easy.

I said deep could be you and scotty you said I was mad for thinking there was a deep wolf

Deep wolves I would accept right now are:

Roxy/SVS/Neon/Scotty/finger


Seanzie and Golden are holding the line so its still locked in as untoucable

I most certainly did not say that lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think is crazy to think I'm paired with scotty though but if I were you I'd be paranoid of me so I get it

[Golden]

This is where scotty headbutts a brick wall. I was comfortable tactically iding doc but I won’t be doing the same with the others.

[Golden]

And the reason I lay down a legacy rainbow is so that everyone including cop/deputy can do it without outing themselves.

[Golden]

Genuine question… have people just not really played with cop roles here in the last few years?

[Dennis]

And the reason I lay down a legacy rainbow is so that everyone including cop/deputy can do it without outing themselves.

What's a legacy rainbow? Is it just the rainbow lists?

[Golden]

And the reason I lay down a legacy rainbow is so that everyone including cop/deputy can do it without outing themselves.

What's a legacy rainbow? Is it just the rainbow lists?

Legacy aka if I’m nightkilled.

[Golden]

Genuine question… have people just not really played with cop roles here in the last few years?

I’m trying to gauge whether this is meta or just something where philosophies haven’t really worked through.

Because hey I’m not necessarily good at reading players but in good at angleshooting optimal pathways with any given power role.

[RondoDimBuckle]

And the reason I lay down a legacy rainbow is so that everyone including cop/deputy can do it without outing themselves.

oh well rainbow

Busy today… not to say I won’t be here at all, but I don’t know exactly when…

So, a legacy rainbow.

People I would not elim short of the cop showing up with a red peek
Rondo
Golden
Seanzie

People who could reasonably be deepwolves, but I’d only consider closer to lylo
SVS


If Lucy flips town, he’s worth another look
Fingersplints
Dennis
Neon
Scotty
Falcon

Wolves unless the cop comes in with a green peek


Lucy
Roxy

Lucy could easily be up a tier with Scotty, but in my mind if we elim within those three and cop/deputy manage a peek within the other two we’re in good shape. I wouldn’t elim Scotty today though, he’s definitely a tier above Lucy in that sense.

There we go

[Golden]

Yeah I think people doing it in that format is also genuinely useful.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Lol I just realised it looks like golden is saying the above. Just for clarification EBWOP

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spiritually I am voting myself right now

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Dennis answer my question in my ISO that I just pointed out to Golden

[Golden]

Spiritually I am voting myself right now

Is this the spiritual unvote?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spiritually I am voting myself right now

Is this the spiritual unvote?

no, its a spiritual vote on myself. I am not allowed to as per the rules which is why I didnt join the game. I also didnt join the game because hard claiming is banned and various other rules in the setup I didnt like. But I subbed because its better than having a dead spot

[Golden]

Spiritually I am voting myself right now

Is this the spiritual unvote?

no, its a spiritual vote on myself. I am not allowed to as per the rules which is why I didnt join the game. I also didnt join the game because hard claiming is banned and various other rules in the setup I didnt like. But I subbed because its better than having a dead spot

Interesting. Something tells me you’re not the type to give away what you’re thinking but I’m interested in knowing more post game if you’re willing.

[Seanzie]

46 minutes!!!!

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spiritually I am voting myself right now

Is this the spiritual unvote?

no, its a spiritual vote on myself. I am not allowed to as per the rules which is why I didnt join the game. I also didnt join the game because hard claiming is banned and various other rules in the setup I didnt like. But I subbed because its better than having a dead spot

Interesting. Something tells me you’re not the type to give away what you’re thinking but I’m interested in knowing more post game if you’re willing.

You are correct

[Golden]

Lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

46 minutes!!!!

good call out, I thought it was 1:30 but it is 1pm. I might have screwed up my vote.

[Golden]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Falcon ] aubergine

Seanzie, how about a Golden flash wagon?

[Dennis]

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Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say the people on Falcon AND Rondo are all town.

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

who fits with Vivax/Meta

Everyone else on the wagon should be seeing a 2 in 4 of the others are wolves

===============================

Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say there is only one wolf on each wagon max

Dennis / Rondo

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

Falcon / Neon

- Falcon and Neon should have a difference check on each other (I dont think I can pick between Neon / Falcon atm)

- I have a difference check on Dennis

- Golden and Seanzie should be looking at Fingers / SVS / Scotty (I think Scotty is the loser here from Fingers reaction)

So out of

Dennis / Falcon / Neon / Scotty - there should be 2 wolves


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which is more likely?
why would they avoid the Lucy wagon? Why would they be on the Lucy wagon?

I will even repost it for you

I didn’t/don’t understand the post/question

if you look at the original post it has a screenshot of the wagons, I am asking you to run through two worlds and give me your opinion on who are wolves. Dont forget Roxy because she hasnt voted yet I havent put her in but she is an important element of this game

So in both your worlds lucy is town?

for this experiment both lucy and falcon are town

First: Fingers/Roxy, and if not Seanzie instead of Roxy.

Second: I think the Falcon wagon, you and me, was clean. You say both that Falcon is an option and also that Falcon is town in this, so I'll have 2. Falcon/Fingers, if not Seanzie. Assuming Falcon is town, that leaves Neon/Fingers or Seanzie. Going off the 4 at the bottom of the second world, assuming Falcon is town, I'm left with Neon/Scotty.

I think the second one is more realistic but I don't like any of them until Lucy flips town and I reconsider everything. I imagine one wolf is on, one wolf is off Lucy wagon, and whichever one is off has more suspicion on the atm so they can be all 'but I didn't kill Lucy' later on, and the one on wagon is there to pretend to be in town consensus.

I think that's what you wanted? @RondoDimBuckle

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

My position is clear

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.

What does this even mean?

I am not sure why you are so resistant to a Lucy vote.

How likely is Golden to be bad in a world where falcon is civ and Lucy is bad?

Jesus. I worked my butt off for this elimination for two days for this? I give the fuck up.

[RondoDimBuckle]

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Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say the people on Falcon AND Rondo are all town.

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

who fits with Vivax/Meta

Everyone else on the wagon should be seeing a 2 in 4 of the others are wolves

===============================

Lets for a thought experiment also take a moment and say there is only one wolf on each wagon max

Dennis / Rondo

Golden / fingers / SVS / Scotty / Seanzie

Falcon / Neon

- Falcon and Neon should have a difference check on each other (I dont think I can pick between Neon / Falcon atm)

- I have a difference check on Dennis

- Golden and Seanzie should be looking at Fingers / SVS / Scotty (I think Scotty is the loser here from Fingers reaction)

So out of

Dennis / Falcon / Neon / Scotty - there should be 2 wolves


========================

which is more likely?
why would they avoid the Lucy wagon? Why would they be on the Lucy wagon?

I will even repost it for you

I didn’t/don’t understand the post/question

if you look at the original post it has a screenshot of the wagons, I am asking you to run through two worlds and give me your opinion on who are wolves. Dont forget Roxy because she hasnt voted yet I havent put her in but she is an important element of this game

So in both your worlds lucy is town?

for this experiment both lucy and falcon are town

First: Fingers/Roxy, and if not Seanzie instead of Roxy.

Second: I think the Falcon wagon, you and me, was clean. You say both that Falcon is an option and also that Falcon is town in this, so I'll have 2. Falcon/Fingers, if not Seanzie. Assuming Falcon is town, that leaves Neon/Fingers or Seanzie. Going off the 4 at the bottom of the second world, assuming Falcon is town, I'm left with Neon/Scotty.

I think the second one is more realistic but I don't like any of them until Lucy flips town and I reconsider everything. I imagine one wolf is on, one wolf is off Lucy wagon, and whichever one is off has more suspicion on the atm so they can be all 'but I didn't kill Lucy' later on, and the one on wagon is there to pretend to be in town consensus.

I think that's what you wanted? @RondoDimBuckle

yep thanks