Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

The AtE exists because it's how I feel lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

Might as well be wrong about everything lol

more red for ate

[Golden]

Appeal to emotion is NAI

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I rarely actually lie about my feelings. Wolf or town.

[RondoDimBuckle]

The AtE exists because it's how I feel lol

Sorry, channeling Alison this game

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

By rarely I mean literally never.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

So let me ask you a question.

If I'm wolf and I've spent all day hard defending Lucy and being notably within my wolf range according to the two players who have played with me.

Why would we as a wolf team ever let Lucy come into thread and just admit to being a wolf there. I mean she's probably going over anyways ig but if she was gonna give up went would I waste my breath?

[RondoDimBuckle]

By rarely I mean literally never.

I lie all the time, about everything, I am lying about this. I lie as town and wolf because I am addicted to lying. Believe me this

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

You can think my world view is wrong but it would be pretty obvious I'm not wolf wolf with Lucy.

[RondoDimBuckle]

So let me ask you a question.

If I'm wolf and I've spent all day hard defending Lucy and being notably within my wolf range according to the two players who have played with me.

Why would we as a wolf team ever let Lucy come into thread and just admit to being a wolf there. I mean she's probably going over anyways ig but if she was gonna give up went would I waste my breath?

Because she didnt consult you, she felt demoralised after my entrace and ghosted thread then just coasted till she went over and admitted it in the final seconds and you posting ... because you are unahppy with that is very indicative of that but this is all angleshooty bullshit we shouldnt be engaging in because I have said I would turbo who ever you wanted as long as you provided a decent case as to why they are wolf and then turbo you the next day if you are wrong. I am giving you a winning dome but you arent taking it

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

This will be taken as AtE. It is not. It is just my real feelings.

I do not want to stake town on me being right today. Because i have zero self confidence in me right now. I know I'm town and if I die today you can deep dive tomorrow without me looming over the thread again. But if I do the case. Convince you. Am wrong. Than two towns die.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'll build a case though

[Golden]

By rarely I mean literally never.

I lie all the time, about everything, I am lying about this. I lie as town and wolf because I am addicted to lying. Believe me this

Lying as town is usually good townsiding

[Golden]

Often, at least.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

[Golden]

So let me ask you a question.

If I'm wolf and I've spent all day hard defending Lucy and being notably within my wolf range according to the two players who have played with me.

Why would we as a wolf team ever let Lucy come into thread and just admit to being a wolf there. I mean she's probably going over anyways ig but if she was gonna give up went would I waste my breath?

Because she didnt consult you, she felt demoralised after my entrace and ghosted thread then just coasted till she went over and admitted it in the final seconds and you posting ... because you are unahppy with that is very indicative of that but this is all angleshooty bullshit we shouldnt be engaging in because I have said I would turbo who ever you wanted as long as you provided a decent case as to why they are wolf and then turbo you the next day if you are wrong. I am giving you a winning dome but you arent taking it

Why should we dome?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I disagree. Lying is lame. But. That's just my feelings.

[Golden]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

You can green me now

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I could. But I'm not going to.


How confident are we that Sean is town?

[Golden]

I disagree. Lying is lame. But. That's just my feelings.

Meh, Kate had a whole exchange with me earlier in the game where she knew I was lying/withholding and couldn’t see my angle.

My angle is that I was cop.

Of course I should have a good lie ready about my angle. But it was also partial truth… just not whole truth.

[RondoDimBuckle]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

[RondoDimBuckle]

So let me ask you a question.

If I'm wolf and I've spent all day hard defending Lucy and being notably within my wolf range according to the two players who have played with me.

Why would we as a wolf team ever let Lucy come into thread and just admit to being a wolf there. I mean she's probably going over anyways ig but if she was gonna give up went would I waste my breath?

Because she didnt consult you, she felt demoralised after my entrace and ghosted thread then just coasted till she went over and admitted it in the final seconds and you posting ... because you are unahppy with that is very indicative of that but this is all angleshooty bullshit we shouldnt be engaging in because I have said I would turbo who ever you wanted as long as you provided a decent case as to why they are wolf and then turbo you the next day if you are wrong. I am giving you a winning dome but you arent taking it

Why should we dome?

Read it again

[RondoDimBuckle]

I disagree. Lying is lame. But. That's just my feelings.

Meh, Kate had a whole exchange with me earlier in the game where she knew I was lying/withholding and couldn’t see my angle.

My angle is that I was cop.

Of course I should have a good lie ready about my angle. But it was also partial truth… just not whole truth.

Just say your angle is baiting, it works for me

[Golden]

Oh, rondo, super early in your entry you said ‘one of neon/golden is wolf’

What we’re you thinking back then? I asked you why we couldn’t be t/t and I didn’t get an answer.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also Lucy being an obligatory d1 is still fun.

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

Lol... holy shit.

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Last game as town you felt the need to scum claim first, then yell town streaking. This time you lack the first.

I've got my eye on you.

Also Imma doc pleasure to meet you.

So anyways these are the only two posts in Wilgz entire iso that are game related.

I went to see if there was a reason to stack 2 woofs on Wilgz in a T v T world D1. Conclusively no. Unless they believed Wilgz doc claim which nahhhh.

But I'm gonna die if wilgz only votes were born on woofs lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Both*

[Golden]

I disagree. Lying is lame. But. That's just my feelings.

Meh, Kate had a whole exchange with me earlier in the game where she knew I was lying/withholding and couldn’t see my angle.

My angle is that I was cop.

Of course I should have a good lie ready about my angle. But it was also partial truth… just not whole truth.

Just say your angle is baiting, it works for me

I mean in essence that’s true.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Oh, rondo, super early in your entry you said ‘one of neon/golden is wolf’

What we’re you thinking back then? I asked you why we couldn’t be t/t and I didn’t get an answer.

Someone has to go late if the wolves want a chance at winning you two were my favourite options. But also I wanted to see how people reacted because you werent the only options. Plus throwing a good difference check out there without stating it makes people go nuts sometimes

[Golden]

Wilgy might be a savant.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hey i was right about Wilgz wagon not being clean. One whole point to me. Yay. I did something right.

[RondoDimBuckle]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?

Thats fair if true

[Golden]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?

They’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2

[Golden]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

I think I’d have those three exactly reversed.

For me SVS saying I was trying to guilt her for wolfreading Lucy when I asked lucy if she was neurodiverse, is an inordinately large hurdle to cross for me now that lucy has wolf flipped.

I think the only reason SVS says that is because I actually did make her feel bad. And I don’t think she feels bad if it’s her wolfmate.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I do know it , @Kate . That’s why when I answered Scotty’s question about the Kate Fam, I said I thought you would bus them if you were bad teamies, but I don’t think you’d build cases on them, like hard distancing. You might, though, if you were civ.

It was an active thread today, looking forward to your thoughts on it. The activity seems to have come in large part from people who have a different Mafia mindset than I, and your insight would help me sort it, since we often come from a similar place, threadwise.

Also hoping to hear from the rest of the LP/TP/RM gang.

You left out STV! As usual, I don't say much on day one, but I do read and reread because day one becomes very important later in the game. I'm missing Bea, and wondering if she knows the game has started.

After your first read through, what has stood out to you?

Seanzies post about tunneling is bothersome, I'm not sure how to interpret it, and Falcons post explaining what bothered him about Golden was acceptable, to me. I don't necessarily agree with it but at least, it's surface clean.
Scotty seems like the same as the anniversary game, he notices everything, and questions everything, and he was civ there. (That doesn't clear him, but something I note).
That's as far as the feels go right now, because I need more time before I start making judgements.

I do know it , @Kate . That’s why when I answered Scotty’s question about the Kate Fam, I said I thought you would bus them if you were bad teamies, but I don’t think you’d build cases on them, like hard distancing. You might, though, if you were civ.

It was an active thread today, looking forward to your thoughts on it. The activity seems to have come in large part from people who have a different Mafia mindset than I, and your insight would help me sort it, since we often come from a similar place, threadwise.

Also hoping to hear from the rest of the LP/TP/RM gang.

You left out STV! As usual, I don't say much on day one, but I do read and reread because day one becomes very important later in the game. I'm missing Bea, and wondering if she knows the game has started.

After your first read through, what has stood out to you?

Seanzies post about tunneling is bothersome, I'm not sure how to interpret it, and Falcons post explaining what bothered him about Golden was acceptable, to me. I don't necessarily agree with it but at least, it's surface clean.
Scotty seems like the same as the anniversary game, he notices everything, and questions everything, and he was civ there. (That doesn't clear him, but something I note).
That's as far as the feels go right now, because I need more time before I start making judgements.

There is nothing about me or my posts that are bothersome. I am the epitome of unbothereomeness. I am about as bothersome as a soak in a jacuzzi. As bothersome as a warm, clear summer eve.

ok, I'll change bothersome to 'thought provoking'.

i want to post my thoughts so far, while I have a minute. They are definitely not deep thoughts, but how deep can they be on day 1?
New players get a pass, until later in the game. Absent players, as well.
if I don't mention you, its because I have you as town for now.

Falcon45ca- I didn't find it suspicious that you chose someone quickly because with movable votes, it seems like a lot of players throw votes around in a slap-happy fashion. then you were questioned about it, and you promptly posted quotes for why you made your vote. This looked legit to me at the time. Later it occurred to me that maybe you did all that too quickly, Pre-planned? But someone, Sabiplz, I think, said this was normal for your town game.

Soneji posted, I think, but I'll need to go back and look to make sure. ???

Lucy- so far, is reminding me of Dr. Wilgy. Too random to read, and weird posting just annoys me because I don't know what to do with it. I'd like to hear from players who are familiar with them.

Seanzie made a very risky statement for a town player to make. Or just an 'I can't be bothered' statement. Since it was preceded by an 'Ugh', I'm going with the former.

Sabiplz drew attention to his post, then backed away from it, then said she rarely voted early or often, then 17 minutes later she voted for Seanzie. None of this feels right.

Golden got a vote from Falcon, and although Falcon's reasons would not be enough to convince me to vote someone, I thought they were ok for a day 1. However after post 486 ( I think, I'll go back and check later and do an ebwop if necessary), I have Golden as town.

Marmot, no clue. I'd like to hear what other players think of him. ???

Everyone else, I have as probably town. I have no absolutes this early, but I'm watching the players above who pinged me. I'd like to hear what other players think of my not so deep thoughts, please.

I slept most of the day. I did not intend to.
I still have Sabi as a suspicion, for reasons mentioned on d1, but I have considered that maybe they really mistrusted Seanzie. Then they started to backpedal some, and I’m back to sq1.

Why did Falcon vote Seanzie? Maybe they gave a reason why in an earlier post, but I can’t remember now so I’ll ISO them later or tomorrow.

I don’t understand Lucy’s vote for Bea either, it seems a bad idea to go after low posters, just for being a low poster, this early. (It doesn’t help that I still feel so bad for suspecting Bea in the anni game 1)

I can’t remember what else I read earlier because I’m getting sleepy again but I know there’s more. I’ll post again after I sleep on it.

Hmmmmmmm...

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?

They’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2

I mean. Why would you kill Scotty over SVS after SVS had an unwavering push on scum that killed them.

I'd kill SVS last night thinking they were possibly cop no?

[Golden]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?

They’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2

I mean. Why would you kill Scotty over SVS after SVS had an unwavering push on scum that killed them.

I'd kill SVS last night thinking they were possibly cop no?

If I had to guess, I’d bet scotty was protecting SVS last night.

That’s why.

[Golden]

But also, I think copshooting is a good angle, and I do think looking at who might copshoot scotty is worth doing.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

That wouldn't kill Scotty... unless I'm an idiot.

[Golden]

That wouldn't kill Scotty... unless I'm an idiot.

No, it would kill no one.

And the wolfteam have already been burned twice on that front.

[RondoDimBuckle]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?

They’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2

I mean. Why would you kill Scotty over SVS after SVS had an unwavering push on scum that killed them.

I'd kill SVS last night thinking they were possibly cop no?

This is a good point

[Golden]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?

They’ve only had three kills, and doc avoidance makes picking harder. Perhaps svs was even the kill attempt night 2

I mean. Why would you kill Scotty over SVS after SVS had an unwavering push on scum that killed them.

I'd kill SVS last night thinking they were possibly cop no?

This is a good point

I disagree.

As a wolf with a doc in the game, the first rule is not killing the most obvious doc target.

If I was the lone wolf remaining, I’d have been assuming a doc save today and aiming to kill SVS tomorrow instead.

[Golden]

Mind you, if I was the wolf, svs died on night one lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Marmots iso is a fun read. It is heavily focused on Sean as was Matas but Mata had like 15 posts and Marmot had 80 something.

Marmot goes from a TR to an SR back to a TR on Sean.

I wonder if I'm wolf Sean do I kill Marmot to lock in the town read on me before Marmot can reexamine again?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

I’m really sorry to see Scotty go. He was a good doc, he saved some people I think.

As I said, after lecturing during the last day about friendship blinders, I’m going to doublecheck mine. The last EOD was weird.

Ya know what...


THIS is weird

How?

The first sentence is like, exactly what Maf would say after finally getting some kills thru...


And why was the last EOD weird? I actually felt we were finally coming together on things, working thru the minutae so to speak.


And then add that to their reaction to Golden moving off lucy...which at first gave me some tingles on Golden, but then engaging with him I started to feel where he was coming from.


That post is pinging me right out the gate

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I’m really sorry to see Scotty go. He was a good doc, he saved some people I think.

As I said, after lecturing during the last day about friendship blinders, I’m going to doublecheck mine. The last EOD was weird.

Ya know what...


THIS is weird

How?

The first sentence is like, exactly what Maf would say after finally getting some kills thru...


And why was the last EOD weird? I actually felt we were finally coming together on things, working thru the minutae so to speak.


And then add that to their reaction to Golden moving off lucy...which at first gave me some tingles on Golden, but then engaging with him I started to feel where he was coming from.


That post is pinging me right out the gate

I see I'm not alone in my paranoia lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

Has there seriously not been a post in 4 hours?

[S~V~S]

So let me ask you a question.

If I'm wolf and I've spent all day hard defending Lucy and being notably within my wolf range according to the two players who have played with me.

Why would we as a wolf team ever let Lucy come into thread and just admit to being a wolf there. I mean she's probably going over anyways ig but if she was gonna give up went would I waste my breath?

How so “let her” ?

She’s a free person and can post as she likes. I think outing herself like that isn’t always fair to one’s team, but I don’t know what they could have done to stop her.

[S~V~S]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty



I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.

Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?

How confident are we on Sean being town?

Seanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?

SVS > Seanzie > Dennis

I picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.

Next question. Why is SVS alive?

They thought getting rid of a very successful doctor was more important? He lightly pushed back against the “why didn’t anyone object” thing re Goldens Seanzie case.

I carried one strong suspect through the game, and after I backed off her, I floundered until I picked her back up. I would guess I have been town reading whoever the last is.