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FINAL FOOT

Poll ended at Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:00 pm

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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Seanzie wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:38 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:37 pm I see the vote keeps changing every five minutes

That's good tbh, it means that mafia is probably involved here which puts us on the right track
its me, I am the mafia involved.
you fiend!

No but seriously, the fact that it's consolidating between Jack/Vivax/Falcon, but won't stay Jack/Vivax/Falcon for long, is a pretty decent indication that there's at least one mafia in that trio. Something something Rule of Threes, but the threadstate doesn't lie.

Not just because I already do think Jack is town, but I'm wondering if the wagons consolidating onto Jack and sticking atm actually spews him town? Basically everybody on Jack and Vivax sans pyxxy has been here in the last hour or so, so those votes are actively in flux. If there's mafia involved in this, there's mafia within those voters as they've been the ones directing the vote. Contrast that to Falcon's vote coming down solely to Hally who's AWOL, and Jack himself. Falcon's a point of contention but the wagons are consolidating away from him and towards Jack and Vivax, and initially it was Vivax and then switched to Jack and now Jack is sticking without movement. I don't think the wagons shifting away from Falcon and towards the other two is the greatest look for Falcon, but I'm trying to figure out if it's bad or not that the wagon was highly volatile while he was leading and now it's stagnated once Vivax is no longer the wagon

Actually, [VOTE: Vivax] aubergine
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Seanzie wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:38 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:37 pm I see the vote keeps changing every five minutes

That's good tbh, it means that mafia is probably involved here which puts us on the right track
its me, I am the mafia involved.
No fault in that, just don‘t shite the bed
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:38 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:37 pm I see the vote keeps changing every five minutes

That's good tbh, it means that mafia is probably involved here which puts us on the right track
its me, I am the mafia involved.
you fiend!

No but seriously, the fact that it's consolidating between Jack/Vivax/Falcon, but won't stay Jack/Vivax/Falcon for long, is a pretty decent indication that there's at least one mafia in that trio. Something something Rule of Threes, but the threadstate doesn't lie.

Not just because I already do think Jack is town, but I'm wondering if the wagons consolidating onto Jack and sticking atm actually spews him town? Basically everybody on Jack and Vivax sans pyxxy has been here in the last hour or so, so those votes are actively in flux. If there's mafia involved in this, there's mafia within those voters as they've been the ones directing the vote. Contrast that to Falcon's vote coming down solely to Hally who's AWOL, and Jack himself. Falcon's a point of contention but the wagons are consolidating away from him and towards Jack and Vivax, and initially it was Vivax and then switched to Jack and now Jack is sticking without movement. I don't think the wagons shifting away from Falcon and towards the other two is the greatest look for Falcon, but I'm trying to figure out if it's bad or not that the wagon was highly volatile while he was leading and now it's stagnated once Vivax is no longer the wagon

Actually, [VOTE: Vivax] aubergine
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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santygrass wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:43 pm Who would you vote between Jack/Vivax/Falcon Inawy?
I don't think I vote Jack here, if not for my townread than because I think the threadstate right now is spewing him town because there was a volatile thread, it consolidated onto Jack - and then the thread clammed up. Which is exactly what I talked about earlier wrt mafia caring about the wagons when they're on the line and then relaxing once it falls on not-mafia.

It's just a question of whether to vote for Vivax/Falcon here, but I'm voting Vivax because tie that gives info
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Vivax wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:38 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:37 pm I see the vote keeps changing every five minutes

That's good tbh, it means that mafia is probably involved here which puts us on the right track
its me, I am the mafia involved.
No fault in that, just don‘t shite the bed
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I will shite wherever I damn well please.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Vivax wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:46 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:44 pm
Seanzie wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:38 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:37 pm I see the vote keeps changing every five minutes

That's good tbh, it means that mafia is probably involved here which puts us on the right track
its me, I am the mafia involved.
you fiend!

No but seriously, the fact that it's consolidating between Jack/Vivax/Falcon, but won't stay Jack/Vivax/Falcon for long, is a pretty decent indication that there's at least one mafia in that trio. Something something Rule of Threes, but the threadstate doesn't lie.

Not just because I already do think Jack is town, but I'm wondering if the wagons consolidating onto Jack and sticking atm actually spews him town? Basically everybody on Jack and Vivax sans pyxxy has been here in the last hour or so, so those votes are actively in flux. If there's mafia involved in this, there's mafia within those voters as they've been the ones directing the vote. Contrast that to Falcon's vote coming down solely to Hally who's AWOL, and Jack himself. Falcon's a point of contention but the wagons are consolidating away from him and towards Jack and Vivax, and initially it was Vivax and then switched to Jack and now Jack is sticking without movement. I don't think the wagons shifting away from Falcon and towards the other two is the greatest look for Falcon, but I'm trying to figure out if it's bad or not that the wagon was highly volatile while he was leading and now it's stagnated once Vivax is no longer the wagon

Actually, [VOTE: Vivax] aubergine
You need to write this in a more concise manner clone brotha
Wolf hates getting votes. Wolf pack hates wolf getting votes. So wolves howl and try to make other votes happen. Once votes move away from wolf, wolves stop howling and there is silence.

The silence that fell into the thread once Jack became the top wagon is strongly indicative of Jack not being town and Mafia being okay with the chop. The fact that there was 'howling' in the thread beforehand also means that there is at least one wolf amongst the people who were posting and voting in the last hour
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Day 5 Vote Count
SoD: #5825 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (2), sprityo (5), SilverKeith (1), Porscha (23)
vivax (4): santygrass (95), DrWilgy (50), Seanzie (113), Inawordyes (83)
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy (23), nutella (129), DeeZees (12), Vivax (31)
falcon45ca (2): Hally (18), Jackofhearts2005 (53)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (5), ilario (14)
manny (1): Manny (37)
pyxxy (1): Neon (61)
ilario (1): Michelle (37)
drwilgy (1): Lumi (30)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (5)
santygrass (1): falcon45ca (55)
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Day 5 Vote Count
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Not Voting (4): MacDougall (2), sprityo (5), SilverKeith (1), Porscha (23)
vivax (4): santygrass (95), DrWilgy (50), Seanzie (113), Inawordyes (84)
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy (23), nutella (129), DeeZees (12), Vivax (31)
falcon45ca (2): Hally (18), Jackofhearts2005 (53)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (5), ilario (14)
manny (1): Manny (37)
pyxxy (1): Neon (61)
ilario (1): Michelle (37)
drwilgy (1): Lumi (30)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (5)
santygrass (1): falcon45ca (55)
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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hi Lumi!
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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It just came to my attention that Rico and Nanook both hit postmin and dipped this entire day
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:46 pm
santygrass wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:43 pm Who would you vote between Jack/Vivax/Falcon Inawy?
I don't think I vote Jack here, if not for my townread than because I think the threadstate right now is spewing him town because there was a volatile thread, it consolidated onto Jack - and then the thread clammed up. Which is exactly what I talked about earlier wrt mafia caring about the wagons when they're on the line and then relaxing once it falls on not-mafia.

It's just a question of whether to vote for Vivax/Falcon here, but I'm voting Vivax because tie that gives info
it's hard for me to conceptualize this as meaning anything since i know i'm town who moved around a bunch but landed on jack so i'm biased to hope i am staying on the right path but i guess i am kinda worried about the other voters
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like overall i tr the vivax voters
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:50 pmhi Lumi!
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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hmmm

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Lumi wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:52 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:50 pmhi Lumi!
Hi IAWY!!
You missed a bit :haha:
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:52 pm hmmm

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
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Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:53 pm
Lumi wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:52 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:50 pmhi Lumi!
Hi IAWY!!
You missed a bit :haha:
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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MacDougall wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:52 pm Fart
I'd elim this.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

#6720

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Lumi wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:53 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:53 pm
Lumi wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:52 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:50 pmhi Lumi!
Hi IAWY!!
You missed a bit :haha:
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Vote Vivax with me.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Day 5 Vote Count
SoD: #5825 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (3), sprityo (5), SilverKeith (1), Porscha (23)
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy (23), nutella (131), DeeZees (12), Vivax (31)
falcon45ca (3): Hally (18), Jackofhearts2005 (53), Inawordyes (88)
vivax (3): santygrass (96), DrWilgy (50), Seanzie (116)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (5), ilario (14)
manny (1): Manny (37)
pyxxy (1): Neon (61)
ilario (1): Michelle (37)
drwilgy (1): Lumi (33)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (5)
santygrass (1): falcon45ca (55)
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[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine
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sup, haven’t read
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[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine
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I think all this vote switching from Seanzie is villa indicative btw
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Day 5 Vote Count
SoD: #5825 EoD: #0

vivax (5): santygrass (96), DrWilgy (50), Seanzie (116), Michelle (38), Lumi (35)
Not Voting (4): MacDougall (3), sprityo (5), SilverKeith (1), Porscha (23)
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy (23), nutella (131), DeeZees (12), Vivax (31)
falcon45ca (3): Hally (19), Jackofhearts2005 (53), Inawordyes (88)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (5), ilario (14)
manny (1): Manny (37)
pyxxy (1): Neon (61)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (5)
santygrass (1): falcon45ca (55)
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vivax/jack wagons? how did that happen lol
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y'all flashwagoning vivax to save jack in this economy?
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Im still kinda amazed that Jack got traction at all fwiw
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If anyone has scout requests, lmk
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Hally wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:55 pm vivax/jack wagons? how did that happen lol
I'm a town sleuth. I target three people and get a positive result if at least one is mafia. I targeted Vivax/Jack/you.
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Hally wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:55 pm vivax/jack wagons? how did that happen lol
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ahhhhhhhhhh, and there's the outcome I hoped for

Jack: becomes top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: ties Vivax with Jack for top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: switched vote to Falcon, tying Vivax and Falcon for CW

the thread: immediate pushback and multiple players come out of the woodwork including to vote Vivax

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Pyxxy what is your read on Jack?
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Seanzie wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:56 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:55 pm vivax/jack wagons? how did that happen lol
I'm a town sleuth. I target three people and get a positive result if at least one is mafia. I targeted Vivax/Jack/you.
seems legit, i’m a wolf
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No i think Vivax is scummier
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[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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The immediate resistance to falcon being the CW while there's apathy for the last 10 minutes while Jack and Vivax are tied for top wagon probably spews the latter two town here I think
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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santygrass wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:56 pm Pyxxy what is your read on Jack?
I struggle to feel confident voting for anybody

I'm just stringing along what I felt was a wolfy pop-in -> into stayed in the thread a while

unfortunate that he appears to be gone for EOD though
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Day 5 Vote Count
SoD: #5825 EoD: #0

Not Voting (4): MacDougall (3), sprityo (5), SilverKeith (1), Porscha (23)
falcon45ca (4): Hally (21), Jackofhearts2005 (53), Inawordyes (90), Lumi (38)
vivax (4): santygrass (99), DrWilgy (50), Seanzie (117), Michelle (39)
jackofhearts2005 (4): pyxxy (24), nutella (131), DeeZees (12), Vivax (32)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (5), ilario (14)
manny (1): Manny (37)
pyxxy (1): Neon (61)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (5)
santygrass (1): falcon45ca (55)
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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santygrass wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:56 pm Im still kinda amazed that Jack got traction at all fwiw
it's because he's a wolf actually
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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alright well i’m not gonna figure out what’s going on in the next 3 minutes
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:56 pm ahhhhhhhhhh, and there's the outcome I hoped for

Jack: becomes top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: ties Vivax with Jack for top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: switched vote to Falcon, tying Vivax and Falcon for CW

the thread: immediate pushback and multiple players come out of the woodwork including to vote Vivax

it's like clockwork haha
I didn't notice i just woke up
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Lumi wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:56 pm If anyone has scout requests, lmk
santy for sure /s
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:56 pm ahhhhhhhhhh, and there's the outcome I hoped for

Jack: becomes top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: ties Vivax with Jack for top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: switched vote to Falcon, tying Vivax and Falcon for CW

the thread: immediate pushback and multiple players come out of the woodwork including to vote Vivax

it's like clockwork haha
you suggesting falcon is being saved?
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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although I'll take _anything_ besides a falcon wagon here, sure vote vivax this is just town falcon imo
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:57 pm The immediate resistance to falcon being the CW while there's apathy for the last 10 minutes while Jack and Vivax are tied for top wagon probably spews the latter two town here I think
I think the "immediate resistance" is imagined. I've been resisting a Falcon wagon for hours and I think only one person voted when you voted. Unless you think Michelle was just sitting there lurking, rather than just coming in at EoD, idk what to tell you.
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Re: Secret Playerlist - Day 5 Ends 10am Dec 17 GMT +10 (Aus Eastern Standard Time)

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nutella wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:58 pm
Inawordyes wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:56 pm ahhhhhhhhhh, and there's the outcome I hoped for

Jack: becomes top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: ties Vivax with Jack for top wagon

the thread: doesn't care

Iawy: switched vote to Falcon, tying Vivax and Falcon for CW

the thread: immediate pushback and multiple players come out of the woodwork including to vote Vivax

it's like clockwork haha
you suggesting falcon is being saved?
I think that the apathy ITT while Jack was top wagon, the apathy in the thread over Vivax being tied for top wagon, and the almost-instantaneous pushback once I tied Falcon is quite telling
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