Re: Fallout: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game (DAY 3)
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:00 pm
I agree with Jack there. It is very difficult to see a Jack/sabie pairing.
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That’s kind of a good point. There is no doubt in my mind that you wouldn’t string me up at the first opportunity you had.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:58 pmHonestly, Glor. Do you think you'd be alive on D3 if I was mafia?Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:54 pm I hate the thought of losing this game to him if he is Mafia.
I'm playing nice but if I was scum, I'd just sidestep the issue and make sure we didn't get a repeat of what happened in Potter.
[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] That is EXCELLENT! Can we have the EoD vote counts posted like this ALL the time please?
Colin was hard defending sprit for fuzzy reasons.You're a Follower disguised among the Children of the Cathedral as a spy. Your task is to acquire knowledge of what happens behind the closed doors of the Cathedral facility and within that mysterious organization.
During each night phase, you may submit a message to the host which will be transmitted to Nicole. You may not reveal your identity in this message, as if it is intercepted your cover will be blown.
Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player is aligned with the Supermutants.
Whelp. At least we got a 2 for one and there's no reason to ever lynch Sprityo.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:11 pmColin was hard defending sprit for fuzzy reasons.You're a Follower disguised among the Children of the Cathedral as a spy. Your task is to acquire knowledge of what happens behind the closed doors of the Cathedral facility and within that mysterious organization.
During each night phase, you may submit a message to the host which will be transmitted to Nicole. You may not reveal your identity in this message, as if it is intercepted your cover will be blown.
Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player is aligned with the Supermutants.
He also voted for you.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:12 pmWhelp. At least we got a 2 for one and there's no reason to ever lynch Sprityo.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:11 pmColin was hard defending sprit for fuzzy reasons.You're a Follower disguised among the Children of the Cathedral as a spy. Your task is to acquire knowledge of what happens behind the closed doors of the Cathedral facility and within that mysterious organization.
During each night phase, you may submit a message to the host which will be transmitted to Nicole. You may not reveal your identity in this message, as if it is intercepted your cover will be blown.
Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player is aligned with the Supermutants.
Well, he wouldn'ta done that if he had checked my alignment.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:16 pmHe also voted for you.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:12 pmWhelp. At least we got a 2 for one and there's no reason to ever lynch Sprityo.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:11 pmColin was hard defending sprit for fuzzy reasons.You're a Follower disguised among the Children of the Cathedral as a spy. Your task is to acquire knowledge of what happens behind the closed doors of the Cathedral facility and within that mysterious organization.
During each night phase, you may submit a message to the host which will be transmitted to Nicole. You may not reveal your identity in this message, as if it is intercepted your cover will be blown.
Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player is aligned with the Supermutants.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:18 pmWell, he wouldn'ta done that if he had checked my alignment.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:16 pmHe also voted for you.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:12 pmWhelp. At least we got a 2 for one and there's no reason to ever lynch Sprityo.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:11 pmColin was hard defending sprit for fuzzy reasons.You're a Follower disguised among the Children of the Cathedral as a spy. Your task is to acquire knowledge of what happens behind the closed doors of the Cathedral facility and within that mysterious organization.
During each night phase, you may submit a message to the host which will be transmitted to Nicole. You may not reveal your identity in this message, as if it is intercepted your cover will be blown.
Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player is aligned with the Supermutants.
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:26 pm [VOTE: JACK] aubergine but if anybody else wants to kill Sloonei please hit me up on MSN Messenger and I’ll be sure to switch.
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:37 pm I’m sorta waffling on my suspicion of Sloonei. I think I had it in 2 with sabie and Jack last round because his backing-off of the Sloonei-recruit-theory makes his support for it feel illegitimate
And just what makes you think there would be no recruit? Sabie was sufficiently online to suggest that the Mafia team wouldn’t have missed an opportunity like that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:26 pm When did I back off the Sloonei recruit theory? (Though wouldn't it be fantastic if there was just no recruit?)
If I were were scum and in charge I wouldn’t recruit someone. It’s not a winning strategy but it’d be funny.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:20 pmAnd just what makes you think there would be no recruit? Sabie was sufficiently online to suggest that the Mafia team wouldn’t have missed an opportunity like that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:26 pm When did I back off the Sloonei recruit theory? (Though wouldn't it be fantastic if there was just no recruit?)
More likeSloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:18 pmJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:18 pmWell, he wouldn'ta done that if he had checked my alignment.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:16 pmHe also voted for you.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:12 pmWhelp. At least we got a 2 for one and there's no reason to ever lynch Sprityo.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:11 pmColin was hard defending sprit for fuzzy reasons.You're a Follower disguised among the Children of the Cathedral as a spy. Your task is to acquire knowledge of what happens behind the closed doors of the Cathedral facility and within that mysterious organization.
During each night phase, you may submit a message to the host which will be transmitted to Nicole. You may not reveal your identity in this message, as if it is intercepted your cover will be blown.
Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player is aligned with the Supermutants.
So as scum, you would sacrifice a chance to increase your numbers? That makes no sense to me.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:43 pmIf I were were scum and in charge I wouldn’t recruit someone. It’s not a winning strategy but it’d be funny.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:20 pmAnd just what makes you think there would be no recruit? Sabie was sufficiently online to suggest that the Mafia team wouldn’t have missed an opportunity like that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:26 pm When did I back off the Sloonei recruit theory? (Though wouldn't it be fantastic if there was just no recruit?)
Yeah the recruit never dies and you can manipulate town within the assumption that a recruit exists to lynch players who have no business being lynched. It’d be fun.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:16 pmSo as scum, you would sacrifice a chance to increase your numbers? That makes no sense to me.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:43 pmIf I were were scum and in charge I wouldn’t recruit someone. It’s not a winning strategy but it’d be funny.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:20 pmAnd just what makes you think there would be no recruit? Sabie was sufficiently online to suggest that the Mafia team wouldn’t have missed an opportunity like that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:26 pm When did I back off the Sloonei recruit theory? (Though wouldn't it be fantastic if there was just no recruit?)
Anti sabie, Pro Mac, Pro Creature.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:39 pm Caught up — I really liked Mac's post re: sabie. I also agree that Creature and Mac look like good town people for coming in and stirring things up a little.
I'd like to give sabie a chance to respond and offer an alternative before voting her, though, because while it's not cutthroat, I don't like that list of all the games she got murked in ...
Anti Jack (url=http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p545940]vote[/url])ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:26 pm Jack's ISO is like Long Con's but with an even lower ratio so I can dig it.
Spritvote
Pro Sloonei, ??? CreatureColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:10 pm I knew it was ending, but also, Creature's activity of late had no effect on my vote. I saw Sloonei and Epi were voting for sprit and I trust them so far so I voted there.
Highlighting this post because up til this point Colin had been anti LC. Here he starts to turn in favor of LC. I'm noting this because it's possible Colin checked LC Night 1.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:42 pmI'm poking fun at Mac being a meanie to me. Why are you so obsessed with me?Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:44 pmAlso, this post is a bit sketchy. Why wasn't your answer that you already talked about me? Was the case so fake that you forgot to pretend it was real?
For the record, this vociferous no-u-ing I'm getting actually makes me feel a little better about LC. His thinking here doesn't make sense but even less so if he's mafia and I'm the hill he wants to die on.
Colin would go on to explain that the "bizarre energy" from Mac suggested a civilian disposition.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:48 pm Mac I'm not going to engage you further, honestly. Don't know what's going on but your energy is bizarre. It's not even Day 2 and you're going off.
First post of the day is a generic prod for sprit. Noted.
Sprit is his de facto top town read among the four (three from Colin's point of view) provided suspects. Noted. Also expresses a town read on Tony, Mac, Long Con, and Glorf. He has gone from scum reading LC to holding him in a top tier of town reads in a relatively short span of time and without much activity. There was that one post earlier which at least hints at a changing disposition prior to the night phase, however.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:36 pmTo rank that list (worst to best) sabie, Creature, sprityo, Colin. I’m not a huge fan of that list per se.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:10 pm Okay we’ve got 40some hours here here are the avenues that I think we should be pursuing
Creature
Colin
Sabie
sprityo
As you’ll note I sorted them by the letters their names start with.
To these four — who’s mafia? Give me names.
As far as everyone else goes, out of these four who is the most likely to be town?
I don’t have much time tonight to talk but if anyone has ideas I’ll take em.
Outside of that list I don’t think it’s you, Mac, or Long Con. Everyone else is fair game.
"Doesn't have a good read" on Sloonei. Colin did not check me Night 1.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:30 amI don’t have a good read on you. Glorf has seemed as genuine as ever.
Colin would repeat this defense Day 3. Silly me thought it was just a wack ass attempt for Colin to look genuine by defending the player he was up against in the lynch. Now I feel like it looks like he's trying his best to defend a cleared sprityo when there's absolutely no substantive reason to do so.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:59 am I’ve been scum with sprityo and he’s a fair amount more calculated. I won’t vote him.
??? on Creature. Colin did not check Creature Night 1.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:01 am What’s the deal with Creature? I don’t like his take on player salad but I haven’t been pinged so far.
I doubt Colin checked any of these players Night 1. If he did, he wouldn't have lumped one confirmed mutant in with two complete guesses.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:45 amSabie, Jack or Dragomir.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:31 amOkay, so if not Sloonei, Sprityo, or Creature who’s your target? Or don’t know yet?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:59 am I’ve been scum with sprityo and he’s a fair amount more calculated. I won’t vote him.
Sabie I do feel sympathy for but she hasn’t done anything since the lynch to indicate being town to me and while the info we’d get might be bunk because Epi pretty much saved her in some peoples’ eyes it’d be more informative than the other two.
Jack I can pretty easily see as a mafioso letting the town pick each other apart in a low activity game. The only thing he has going for him is the rationale that he would have voted as scum which is not really that much.
Dragomir isn’t here (right?) even though I did see them on yesterday so it’d be a lotto drawing but it would give us some more time to establish lines of inquiry against suspects and we don’t have to deal with that slot come endgame.
I dunno, pretty uninspiring takes all around but my sleuthing ain’t what it used to be.
Post-Day 2 Sloonei becomes his main target. It does not appear that he checked me Night 2, however, as he continued waffling over me throughout the day.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:59 amNo way. I encourage us all to fuck Sloonei up tomorrow, if ge wasn’t the other scum he’s the recruit.
Colin's first post of the day is a vote for Jack, who was previously lumped into his pile of suspects. But he also dangles me as a second choice to be lynched. If he has got a confirmed scum read on Jack, does he bother entertaining any other lynch options this day? And did Colin pursue this suspicion with enough vigor to suggest that he was 100% certain about it?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:26 pm [VOTE: JACK] aubergine but if anybody else wants to kill Sloonei please hit me up on MSN Messenger and I’ll be sure to switch.
Another hand wavey defense of sprit. These exchanges looked odd when Colin was alive, but they make complete sense if we assume he had a confirmed civilian read on sprit. I think I'm leaning in that direction.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:30 pmNah don’t vote sprityoTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:00 pm I do not think we should lynch Colin today. I think Jack is town. I’m working right now if you have questions on this I’ll try to answer before EOD.
Vote Sprityo 2019!
Backs off the Sloonei suspicion. He did not check me. But doubles down on the Jack suspicion. Still unclear whether or not he checked him.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:37 pm I’m sorta waffling on my suspicion of Sloonei. I think I had it in 2 with sabie and Jack last round because his backing-off of the Sloonei-recruit-theory makes his support for it feel illegitimate
Yeah Colin had a town ID on sprit.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:38 pmTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:36 pmThis isn’t helping your case.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:30 pmNah don’t vote sprityoTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:00 pm I do not think we should lynch Colin today. I think Jack is town. I’m working right now if you have questions on this I’ll try to answer before EOD.
Vote Sprityo 2019!
His last post is a reaffirmation of his Jack vote.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:40 pmThe fella I’m voting forSloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:39 pmSo who do you want to lynch?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:37 pm I’m sorta waffling on my suspicion of Sloonei. I think I had it in 2 with sabie and Jack last round because his backing-off of the Sloonei-recruit-theory makes his support for it feel illegitimate
I didn’t say I thought that it happened. I just said it would be nice.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:20 pmAnd just what makes you think there would be no recruit? Sabie was sufficiently online to suggest that the Mafia team wouldn’t have missed an opportunity like that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:26 pm When did I back off the Sloonei recruit theory? (Though wouldn't it be fantastic if there was just no recruit?)
And what brings you to this conclusion given all of those facts?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:19 pm Sprit being probably Town is a bad look for Jack. Colin being Town is a bad look for Jack. Colin maybe having copped Jack is a bad look for Jack. Given all this, I am still reasonably certain that Jack is town.
Day 3sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:24 am Day1
birdwithteeth11: Creature, Sloonei
Epignosis: Long Con
Glorfindel: birdwithteeth11
Jackofhearts2005: sabie12, Glorfindel
Sabie12:TonyStarkPrime, MacDougall
sprityo: ColinIsCool, Epignosis
Not voting presently: sprityo, Jackofhearts2005
Day 2
Creature: sprityo, glorf, sabie
Sabie: sloonei, mac, TSP, creature, colin
Sloonei: Jack, LongCon
Didn’t vote: BWT2
1) I would have killed Glor N1 if I was a wolf. I hate his truth meta. I think it’s against the spirit of the game. He’s unlynchable if town. I’m a good tap dancer. As a wolf, I don’t shoot people to take pressure off myself. I shoot people I can’t mislynch and wolf Jack can’t mislynch town Glor. Last time I tried, he turned what should have been a mislynch into a scum lynch with truth meta. I called for him to be modkilled. Threatened to replace out. Said he ruined the game for me. If I have a nk and Glor is town, he doesn’t last past night 1.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:17 pm Jack seems like he's gone through most of this game with a bit of a...carefree attitude to me with lots of jokes and humor.
Jack, what are some good reason(s) to not vote for you on Day 4 and why you aren't one of the two remaining baddies? Because Colin's role reveal makes me feel the least good about you now.
Rereading Night2. LC, Colin and BWT all after him right after Sabie flipped. LC walks it back. Colin flat says he tried to save Sabie. Sloonei’s vote is pretty uninspiring.
This is nutso but there’s nothing to be gained from it.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:47 pm Sabie was around at EOD and “suspected” BWT and Sprityo, who ended the day tied with her at 2 votes each. She voted me to make it a 4 way tie instead of picking who dies between 2 players she suspected.
Jack is town and a prize mislynch but why didn’t she vote BWT or Sprityo? BWT was town.
So what Sloonei is saying here (beyond his questioning of a scum Mac) is that I am not the recruit, which again points to Sloonei or Mac being recruited.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:53 pmI think it would be better to take a step back before exploring this question, actually.
How do we think sabie (and her partner, if they were active Day 1) would have treated their recruit?
Bearing in mind that the recruit would have been pseudo-lynchproof. They began the day with a -2 vote count, and would also have been indestructible at night. So they would not necessarily need protection in the short term, but there'd be no need to expose them to the threat of long term scrutiny either.
For instance, if the recruit had received the highest vote total Day 1, they would be likely to survive in spite of this as long as somebody else was within 1-2 votes of them on the poll. This would be a major red flag to every civilian. The mutants would absolutely want to avoid hanging their impending partner out to dry like that right off the bat (baseball metaphors activated). So I think it's likely they would have wanted to pitch around that player. But it's also worth noting that (I think) the recruit would have been unaware of their recruited status on Day 1, so they certainly would have also been unaware of their partners' identities. This is the ultimate advantage of the recruit; they are a genuine and earnest civilian on Day 1. The two original mafia members probably would want to avoid heavy confrontations with their recruit -- nothing high and tight off the plate -- for everyone's benefit; if Recruited Goon gets all worked up about something The Master did Day 1, then Recruited Goon needs to find an excuse to back off their target on Day 2, or else the team is caught in a bussing trap of their own making.
SO I guess what I'm saying is I'd expect mafia to tread lightly around their recruited player on Day 1.
More Sloonei defending Mac.