Re: Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [Day 5]
Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 8:25 am
And based on that breadcrumb, what was the good reason you were supposed to have had for not suspecting sloonei, [mention]Russtifinko[/mention] ?
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Well, I suppose you have a point. Sloonei didn't come out and say he had targeted me and dunya for gifts (hinted in Post 844, said it straight out in Post 873) until after MP had said he put us in jail (Post 823).Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:25 am And based on that breadcrumb, what was the good reason you were supposed to have had for not suspecting sloonei, @Russtifinko ?
This is a pretty standard town role.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:06 amWhy doesn't it mesh with the game? I think it fits fine, and more importantly, it is my actual role. I think sloonei's role is the one that doesn't fit, and the revealed mafia so far is noticeably missing a manipulator/disruptor role, which I think can fit for Sloonei.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 11:46 pmThe limited utility of the role where it only works upon death does not mesh with anything else in the game, or with the style of role i'd expect to see in a jay game.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:33 pm I am Leaky and my role could still be useful if we go to Lylo.
I select a player two nights in the game, and if that player is killed that night i learn who killed them. I didn't use it the first two nights and last night I selected DDL thinking they would kill him for sure, but they went with G-Man instead. I still have one watch left.
Russtifinko, can you point me towards Sloonei's breadcrumb?
Yes. BTSC is actually the one item I didn’t want TH to get. I wanted them to deny that they received anything.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:18 am Sloonei can you give other items besides temporary BTSC? If so, what? And what did you try to give to me and dunya? (Again, assuming all of this doesn't relate to earning jiggies. If it does, don't answer.)
When has a role like that ever existed?
I mean it doesn't sound crazy to me lol. It could be this is exactly what happened.
i don't actually believe it, i'm typing it out to spell out how ridiculous it sounds.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:50 pmWhen has a role like that ever existed?
When has a role like that ever existed in a game hosted by Jay?
How could a role like that exist in this game right now? Where town is on a post restriction, and the host made careful considerations to otherwise balance things out to benefit the town. This role would be game breaking.
first mention of TH. TH is "big one to look at"speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:51 amDepends a lot on Sig's flip. I have an eye on TH, but if sig is bad, I have a hard time seeing them as a teammate. Same for nanook.dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:38 am i mean, if sig is mafia he's treated you the same way so maybe i AM wrong and the mafia team have all picked 1 person to tunnel the fuck out of in the thread
also hi speedchuck. what are your thoughts on anyone other than sig. top three "i feel bad about you" people?
I've been skimming through D1 and I'm interested in the lynch results. If sig is mafia, mac could have been a save. if he's town, I really suspect the people who avoided both of those wagons and parked their vote somewhere useless.
So
TH, Nanook, and Sig are big ones to look at.
DDL, nutella, TSP, russ for sig-town, because possible TMI. (I'd have to read closer to see who)
Maybe Sloonei on the mac wagon if sig is scum?
That might seem a little inconclusive but I practically replaced into my own role D2, so. Busy weekend. My thoughts are a lot of places and I'm just spitballin.
no one's actions have failed the whole game though, so i feel like it's a stretch to add another PR to the mix to justify a turnip PR. it's like doing more mind gymnastics than i think we're meant to do.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:07 pm The only way it makes sense for TH not to have been the kill last night is if the remaining mafia member is a roleblocker. That’s not an uncommon role to see. But it’s also the only role that scum TH could use to explain their lack of result. So I’m of two minds there. I’ll try to sort out dunya and russ at some point.
My actions failed, but those are already accounted for.dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:16 pmno one's actions have failed the whole game though, so i feel like it's a stretch to add another PR to the mix to justify a turnip PR. it's like doing more mind gymnastics than i think we're meant to do.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:07 pm The only way it makes sense for TH not to have been the kill last night is if the remaining mafia member is a roleblocker. That’s not an uncommon role to see. But it’s also the only role that scum TH could use to explain their lack of result. So I’m of two minds there. I’ll try to sort out dunya and russ at some point.
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:23 pmI don't understand this and I need someone to vote for other than MP so [VOTE: th] aubergine I don't buy your reasoning for suspecting dunyaTurnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:14 pmBut that's not what I did famdunya wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:06 pm anyone who still gives weight to my number of posts as a genuine reason to scum read can kindly kiss my backside. had enough of that meta and spent the last games changing it. dunya posting 200 posts on day 1 is dead. over. deal with it. and especially on a 25 post limit game.
my read on mp is tone-based. he seems genuine. even though he has mostly been on the defence, because people were hitting him from all sides, his defences are all sincere and coming from a place of truth, i feel. and with that, hes still took the time to game solve and keep up. Scum mp will be more focused on defence and getting out of people's dog piles. i am an intuition-based player, and i can see town behind MP posts.
i am however beginning to feel less certain of a town sloonei here.
I dunno how to read russ, and i will at some point quote his massive post when I'm not on my phone and reply.
I was talking about the mindset ham
Of rationing your posts to get near the quota lamb
And anyways your overzealous defense of MP makes me skeptical too damn
nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:21 pmany reason you chose to claim??Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:16 pm I'll roleclaim. I'm Leaky and I have a semi-useful role that requires me to have good instincts, so I'm not all that hopeful about that, but I'm town.
Nanook's calling out sig by name
Don't know why you'd just randomly out
when not in direct danger, what's that about
(2)
all these and nutella never actually really pursued turnip in any way. seems like gradual fake distancing that she can use later on to build up a case and say she suspected them from the beginning. the first one where she voted for them because she didn't understand their vote on me was one of the first things that made me suspect HER for. so i guess not feeling threatened by turnip flipping on her made sense why she threw that vote on them to attempt to buddy me.
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:51 am -Other Thoughts-
Gonna disagree with Mac - I think Epi is genuinely scumhunting in his big D1 post about MP and Sloonei, and I don't really care about someone "burning through" their D0 posts.
On the other hand, although NANOOK's rhymes are probably the dopest so far, he's burning through D1 posts, which IMO is a different matter than the D0 ones. I also hate the vote on sig - I think it was bandwagony and poorly justified.
MP did the same thing as sig with the ambivalent response to post count limits, and I also don't think that is a big deal - knowing MP, he is probably really excited to be playing this but massively busy, so I bet he vascillates between wanting infinite posts and not having time to read infinite posts. I think the Omerta thing is really the only decent point in Epi's case against MP, but Epi says: "But that isn't important."
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 6:53 pmI am an idiot - should have realized this way sooner. It looks like however many posts we made on D0 got added to our D1 totals. So for example, I posted 4 times on D0 so got 25+4 to work with today. Epi posted 9 times D0, so gets 25+9 today.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:05 pm
Post count ceilings for Day 1:
26 - Dragon D. Luffy
28 - dunya
34 - Epignosis
26 - G-Man
29 - M Plus 7
28 - MacDougall
30 - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
30 - nutella
29 - Russtifinko
28 - sig
31 - Sloonei
26 - speedchuck
29 - TonyStarkPrime
28 - Turnip Head
Jiggy pursuits are now underway, and your 4-liners actually count.
This makes my point from earlier even more relevant - "wasting" posts on D0 is actually a good thing and not just neutral, but wasting posts D1 is still bad. I don't mean that in an alignment sense, necessarily - I mean it just gives you more/less agency in the game.
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 12:02 am Ohh, that makes a lot more sense now, Epi, so thank you. See, I assumed from the get-go that we had 25 on Day 0, then it reset to a separate 25 (or, in this case Jay's updated things) on Day 1, and so I was posting considering that fact.
I think this is wrong....what use would it be to use to show our eventual hypothetical post counts?? I'm 99% sure JJJ told us the D1 post limit each player has, which was influenced by post count on D0. Maybe our host can weigh in to clarify his previous post so we're all on the same page?
basically publicly disowning what nutella did publicly to mac. i just don't see what good scum russti would have thought would come out of this post. it seems like a very townie thing to say, even if it doesn't really matter too much in the long run, y'dig? good look.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 10:34 pm On a separate note, I think we should NOT publicly acknowledge when people are out of posts in the future. If there are gonna be more people like Mac who are easy lynch targets late in the day, we should at least make the baddies figure it out for themselves instead of putting targets on people's back for them.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:16 pm I'll roleclaim. I'm Leaky and I have a semi-useful role that requires me to have good instincts, so I'm not all that hopeful about that, but I'm town.
nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:21 pmany reason you chose to claim??Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:16 pm I'll roleclaim. I'm Leaky and I have a semi-useful role that requires me to have good instincts, so I'm not all that hopeful about that, but I'm town.
Nanook's calling out sig by name
Don't know why you'd just randomly out
when not in direct danger, what's that about
(2)
so, looking at this 3-succession posts, seems rather manufactured. especially nutella's poem. it's like it was planned together in btsc and she was waiting for TH to post so she could question them. so TH hinted towards their role from day 2. they literally described it as "need good instincts"-- so excuse me while i struggle to see how they weren't killed with all the cop paranoia, as DDL put it, of this scum team. nutella's poem was like the opening to give TH room to explain why they claimed. nutella didn't go anywhere or do anything with the response she got from TH which makes it feel all the more directionless and pointless.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:54 pm I might not be in immediate danger but I'm on a lot of scum lists. Felt like a good idea to claim, no one needs to waste any time scumreading me
Lylo is our best play imo. As long as town votes together in Lylo we win.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 3:27 pm I'll throw this out there: If TH is bad, claiming no result last night is a weird move. If they were bad, they'd just claim it was one of us and the game is basically won, right? I think it has a ring of honesty.
I guess you could tinfoil that other claims haven't worked out great for us this game, so maybe they were paranoid about that and thought it was safer to just sow general confusion. However, overall it looks good to me.
Sloon, thanks for being so forthcoming about your role. I also think it's a somewhat good look for you - it would seem very elaborate to make all that up. I agree that a baddie that roleblocks and puts someone in BTSC seems too strong, as well.
I'm going to be reading everyone again this evening - probably won't do full ISOs, but I might post quotes here and there that I think are particularly relevant. I'm going to try to more or less disregard claim stuff as I do. We haven't seen any evidence of TH or dunya's claims, and Sloon's seems legit but could hypothetically exist for a baddie in some form, even if it's far-fetched. I still think we oughta be able to crack this based on the thread.
TH, out of curiosity what's your thoughts on a No Lynch and forcing another day of LYLO? You proposed it yesterday no ended up voting, wondering if you still feel the same.
I still think a lot about this post is weird. Thinking she would be NK'ed when there are power roles and confirmed civs, the certainty TH is bad.
dunya, you never elaborated on this post (I think you wrote that you didn't feel like playing that way). If I'm looking at this from a dunya-town perspective, it's kind of a bummer, but I get it. It would have been useful to see the case, but I'm a little burned out from this game, and you've said you are, particularly from me going after you.dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 8:10 pm and i am certain now russti and TH are bad. russti has this amazing ability to project badness into your posts. i have never seen it before since golden. very impressive stuff. i'll probably go into more depth about why these 2 are teammates, but i bet my goat on it.
(Corrected for pronouns.)dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:30 pm [TH] said something to mac when mac was suspecting [them] and [they] did a hard NO U on him "if you're town work with me" and [they] keeps saying that to me. it actually does the opposite of inspiring confidence in [them] whenever [they do] say that. either i trust [them], or [they think] i'm bad.
I'm still pondering this, too. I think DDL was right that the baddies have had extreme cop paranoia this game, and aside from the possibility of DDL having another vig shot, TH was the most powerful role left. This leads to 2 possibilities:dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 4:46 pmI don't understand this. If you lunch me it's game over. There is no next day. So if you really think it's me with one of the other three (speed, TH or Russ), keep your vote on me.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:56 pm If mafia doesn't kill TH next night they are suicidal. His role is even stronger than G-Man's. And they have shown extreme degrees of cop fear anyway.
This makes me a little more willing to leave TH alive. To see if he doesn't get killed.
That said, if he is mafia, he's going to come with result that will implicate someone, and then the game will boil down to him versus someone else.
While if he is killed, me and Sloonei won't, so it's still 1v1.
So I'm leaning on lynching one of speed or dunya instead.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:24 pm Speedchuck hasn't voted at all? I really doubt he would do that if he were bad tbh :-/
TH, apologies that I missed your reasoning - could you refresh me on what made you prefer a Jack lynch over Speed?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:44 am If @speedchuck votes, my plan as of right now is to lynch Jack. If votes stay where they are that's what's gonna happen.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:06 pm Don't fall for her pretty words Russti, stay the course. The baddie team is speed and dunya. We could lynch speed first if you're more comfortable with that.
The first part of this worked out pretty well, and I do think the Speed/dunya story still holds up.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 6:57 pm [I've made my stance on all these players clear and taking POE out of the equation feels disingenuous to me. I think Russ did a good job of summing up what feels dishonest about dunya, and if she's bad, speedchuck is the only teammate that fits.
Sloon and dunya, what are your thoughts on going to LYLO, or the fact that TH suggested it? No one has really engaged TH on this.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:42 pm if I was scum with speed I just would have lynched dunya today, I certainly wouldn't be pushing no Lynch at Mylo
And your wrong btw, getting to Lylo is the definitive move for town here, I bet the host will agree with me post-game (see poll question)
I think this post is a good look. To me, the classic civ play when accused is to ignore it and keep hunting baddies, up until the point where you think you're gonna be mislynched or it will derail the game.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:28 pm I don't really have a good defense for how Nutella and speedchuck treated me. As for my side of the story, I typically don't respond to every person who suspects me. If I did that I'd never have time to talk about anything else. It's unfortunate that two players who I kind of ignored were bad, but I'm town.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:09 am Every other town role is basic and simple except for Sloonei's, which is wacky and chaotic.
These are good points. I still think that overall, I have the most info-related reason to trust Sloon of the 3 of you, but you're making a compelling case that I shouldn't 100% rely on that to be alignment-confirming.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:28 pm I feel like a town!sloon would be cognizant of the fact that "breadcrumbing" his role to Russti or whatever doesn't actually clear him. Like he'd understand that it is not irrefutable proof of his role. He'd instead say things like "I know this doesn't actually clear me". Sloonei has been acting like his breadcrumbs are above reproof, when he would know that isn't actually true because there was no corroborating evidence. That's what makes me think he's hiding behind his claim and trying to be sneaky.
Yes I currently have btsc with him for some reason, and yes that would be a powerful mafia role, but it'd also be a powerful town role, so it's powerful either way. It's certainly not game-breaking like he insinuated.
Sloon dealing in absolutes based on murky evidence makes me not want to trust him.
We are literally in BTSC right now and you’re referring to it as “dubious mechanics.” I am not declaring myself cleared; others have done that for me. My “breadcrumbing” cleared me in the eyes of others because of the context in which it happened. This has been explained multiple times already. My roleclaim came up of my own volition because I realized it could clear MP, a player I had been previously trying to lynch. The role itself is cumbersome and inconvenient to claim if false. You now have 100% incontestable verification that my claim has not been false. I struggle to believe that a civilian turnip head could actually be convinced that I am mafia right now. I actually think dunya might be bad, but I can’t shake myself free from the simplest answer, which is that you are bad and our BTSC completely ruined your plan for the day.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:56 pm See, look how townie Russ looks in that post. He's being so considerate and deliberate. This guy's town.
I think DDL was killed instead of me because DDL was outed town (so can't be mislynched), baddies had a way to block me, and I could potentially be mislynched.
At the time that dunya suspected me I thought she was bad because I wasn't considering Sloonei to be in my PoE. So she almost had to be bad because she was trying to mislynch me and I didn't suspect Russti (and again I wasn't considering that sloonei could be bad instead). It was a paranoid way of thinking, but I also think dunya was being paranoid when she suspected me and Russ, so I can empathize with that.
Everyone left has played really really well. I just think me, Russ and dunya feel the towniest, and if either of you are bad, you're basically a genius. I think sloonei feels the least townie and is only cleared by dubious mechanics which can't be verified, but that means he's ALSO a genius if he's bad.
Sloon was actually the first person to realize MYLO. Obviously that's just simple math, but (a pretty tinfoily) part of me wonders if mafia would be more attuned to that.
I hadn't really noticed before, but this is OMGUS, right? TH doubted your claim, then you said you thought they were bad?
This is the thing you've said most recently that I have the most trouble understanding. Why would BTSC ruin TH's plan to pin it on you? If TH were bad and got BTSC, they could just say you killed DDL and were lying about the BTSC. Me and dunya would have no way to disprove that, and we'd probably believe them.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 3:43 pm I agree with the point about TH’s claim of no result today. It makes more sense for a mafioso to just say that it was one of us. But my paranoia regarding that is that TH’s plan all along was to pin it on me, but that was blown up the moment we wound up in BTSC together.
But I owe it to everyone in this game to re-evaluate before I make a decision.
I suppose this is fair - if you assume a baddie roleblocker, TH has to not claim. But again, if TH were going to lie to us today anyway, what's one more untruth? Why not say there is no baddie roleblocker? We could never verify that.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 4:02 pm There’s also this to consider: Turnip Head’s role claim is super powerful in late game, the kind of thing that can easily win the game for town in our current situation. The only way it makes sense for that role to survive last night is for there to be a roleblocker on the other side. I brought this up as a point to consider in TH’s favor earlier, but now I’m doing the opposite: if Turnip Head claims to have a result today, the lie becomes obvious: the mafia player had no way of stopping that role, and thus there’s no way they should have been left alive. TH has to claim no result.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:13 pmThen your reason for being all like 'Oh no the mafia might gonna kill me tonight, here are some final reads and directions' is complete bullshit.dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:06 pmwhy would i claim before i use my role, silly? i'll use it today tho. just gotta figure out who i suspect mostest and get input from my buds ddl and sloonei.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:03 pm @dunya I don't see a claim in your ISO. Wtf are you talking about.
i should be like, isoing russ and th and you, but i really just dont feel like playing that way today atm so im not.
If I look at the dunya exchange from dunya-civ, I guess I'd say Speed was just trying to throw shade generally, and it didn't stick because of the role claim.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:24 pmSo this is a NO U, and then a different answer than I got last time. Okay.dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:18 pm please don't be too obvious in what i said was gonna happen, speedy. like, try to mask it a little bit even. you know, try to show us that you're actually reading other people too maybe. like you weighed it hard and decided im bad. it was a heavy decision on you, etc.
i always do final reads at night. not to be egoistical, but i'm often night killed cos i'm so good.
I just got back to the thread and this was the first ping I picked up on. So I pursued it. I'm not trying to be theatrical or to look good, and I'm not done yet.
I'm going to look back at this - I suppose it's possible I've been giving Sloonei too much credit for getting nutella killed. I don't think DDL ever credited Sloon specifically, but Sloon has always seemed happy to take credit for it.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:34 pmNo one looking at her? I'm pretty certain she was in several scumread lists before Sloonei sat on her.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:21 pm he'd have had to bus nutella when no one was really looking at her with the result of her being vigged.
I didn't mean to get into rereading DDL, but.....Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 4:40 pm The ranking from "I actually feel bad about this person" to "I wasn't allowed to vote neutral so I voted scum cuz I don't wanna have too little scum reads" was
TH > nutella > sloonei > nanook > TSP
Another thing: in general, DDL played it very cool about vigging nutella. He didn't even really celebrate it, much less come out and say he did it. Of course, G-Man outed him, but I get the sense he didn't even really want that to happen. So it's possible he was just trying to play coy in general and give anything away to the baddies at all. However, he does mention that his impression was that Sloon was on G-Man on N3, not nutella. It's possible I've been assuming DDL got the same thing from Sloon's posts that I did when really he didn't, and as I said, Sloon has been more than happy to take the credit where he can.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 1:45 pm Not sure how obvious it was nutella was going to die. I think the movement mostly started late at night? A lot of people said they were okay with it pretty fast. But there were other wagons floating around. Sloonei himself was mainly going against Gman, some people were attacking nanook, etc.
i will not vote to go to lylo under any circumstances, only to have to fight against you and TH next phase. nothx. we have plenty of info and tbh, i want to enjoy my weekend of good weather doing outside stuff and not being anxious about defending myself against someone who's tunneled me all game and someone who will find it easier to agree i'm bad. i wasn't lying, i'm broken from mafia.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:16 pm Sloon and dunya, what are your thoughts on going to LYLO, or the fact that TH suggested it? No one has really engaged TH on this.
but jay has made it clear he will be taking into consideration the post restrictions which is already mafia favored. i don't feel he'd then give them a watcher role plus sloonei's inventor role which has always been primarily town. putting it on the scum team is basically bastardizing it imo, and there's no room for bastardizing in this game i think.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:28 pm Yes I currently have btsc with him for some reason, and yes that would be a powerful mafia role, but it'd also be a powerful town role, so it's powerful either way. It's certainly not game-breaking like he insinuated.
i already explained that. but keep in mind i thought sloonei's role at that point was giving people extra jiggy posts (and i wonder who else thought the same)Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:28 pm I still think a lot about this post is weird. Thinking she would be NK'ed when there are power roles and confirmed civs, the certainty TH is bad.
as for thinking TH is bad, you can blame my amazing intuition after the game, right after you apologize for tunneling me nonstop and deterring my town skillz.dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:30 pm its not really a different answer, i have a role and i've been mum about it. ddl is clearly a 1-shot vig, and from what i understood is that sloonei's role gives extra posts (if what MP got was from sloonei). g-man was predictable, i guess, but it if he was barking up the wrong tree (sloonei), i felt like i could have been the unknown threat to them. it makes sense in my head, sorry if i that seems weird, but it's authentic.
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:28 pm I still disagree with the assertion that TH wasn't contributing, and it felt out of character for dunya.
i'm the one who started this steam you're talking about. i moved my two votes from jack to speed, with jack and DDL and then MP followed but couldn't announce as he was out of posts. i could have stuck on jack without budging my ass. why would i do that at all? and please don't set forth an argument telling me why, it was rhetoric. just try to actually read what i'm saying for 1 time and weighing it in your head before you apply a ton of tunneling to it. "does dunia make sense?"Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:28 pm One could argue that as you saw the REO Speedwagon gaining steam, you were forced to back off of this and vote him after all.
i never truly believed they could be that deep of distancing. that exchange and the post count confusion are the main reasons why i can't confidently scum read you. i'm trying, but it just doesn't sit right. and when something doesn't sit right, i don't keep sitting on it. i'm fluid and move around with my suspicions. like i said, my method is to find reasons to townread someone instead of seeing anything they say in a negative light. if you can townread someone, not once but twice in two different exchanges, chances are they're town. i can any post in this thread and apply a heavy does of skepticism to it and say it was scum talk; that doesn't help me much though.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:28 pm dunya, when you posted this, did you think they were distancing? That seems to be the unspoken implication, and you were trying to associate me and TH earlier in the day. However, it also sort of seems like something you don't think TH is really capable of. Trying to understand if this was case-building or the beginning of a change of mind. It did look like you back off the me/TH teammates theory later in the day.
remember this post game. ;pRusstifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:28 pm I keep coming back to this weird certainty you had that TH would be lynched....I never regarded them as a top-tier (like top 2) lynch candidate until today.
bingo. but if i was a baddie and someone had your role, i would kill you first.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:56 pm I think DDL was killed instead of me because DDL was outed town (so can't be mislynched),
why are you ok with someone in LyLo who doesn't suspect you at all? hasnt suspected you all game? how can that not trigger your paranoia?Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:16 pm The first part of this worked out pretty well, and I do think the Speed/dunya story still holds up.
but TH hasn't ignored everyone who's suspected them. they didn't ignore mac, they didn't ignore me and they didn't ignore you. they ignored nutella and speed, their teammates.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:16 pm I think this post is a good look. To me, the classic civ play when accused is to ignore it and keep hunting baddies, up until the point where you think you're gonna be mislynched or it will derail the game.
when i got my role i read it quick and went on to play. double vote is not rocket science. the host didn't use the words mylo or lylo in describing my restrictions and that's all i'll say about why i didn't remember that my double vote doesn't work in these cases. i'm not here to copy paste my role card for ya'll, sorry.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:27 am However, dunya could have realized that if she is civ and doesn't say her power is deactivated today, she would have to be NKed because a baddie can't allow double vote powers in MYLO.