The Syndicate

Violet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:25 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:20 pm Oh. Violet is here.

When he was needed the most, he didn't arrive. He arrived just before closing when the party was almost over.

Anyways, why do you think no one has strongly advocated for pushing both of us? Two elims for the price of one is a good deal, especially when neither of us is really trusted here.

I was actually the only one arguing that point. I don't know. People's argument hasn't made sense to me.

@Violet Do you still think I'm mafia? You know, the mafia multi shot vig that gave up his role. Cause that's definitely a thing.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:25 pm Although, that doesn't make that much sense either, cause why not just vote me if both me and Violet are town???

Rico's lack of self pres vote before lucy was a valid option is what makes me question it. I think it is entirely likely that Rico and Violet are the wolf team.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Honestly, we should probably chop Epig here. But....

For real now. Working.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:27 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:25 pm Although, that doesn't make that much sense either, cause why not just vote me if both me and Violet are town???

Rico's lack of self pres vote before lucy was a valid option is what makes me question it. I think it is entirely likely that Rico and Violet are the wolf team.

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

Oh ok. You do care, and you are town <3 I hope!

I don't know if this is right either. It would be cool to not totally suck and get like one mafia at least

I don't understand Violet preferring to "be removed with Dizzy for not being trusted" and then voting an option that won't make that happen.

I mean, the team would pretty much have to be exactly Rico/Epig for this to make sense, I think. But that is possible.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:11 pm Why doesn't "As town, the role would be used to loverize with someone you think is mafia" not make "a lot of sense". That was my exoneration point for Violet role being town all along.

Normally this would be a horrible way to use the role, but since I believed wolves would attempt to push me today, that's the kind of use I found for the role. Would just be fun and chaotic to use the role counterintuitive, and I love those kind of shenanigans in games like this <3

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:28 pm I don't understand Violet preferring to "be removed with Dizzy for not being trusted" and then voting an option that won't make that happen.

Maybe you should ask him about it.

What he said was he preferred that over Lucy.

@lucy If you're town, we need your vote.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:30 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:28 pm I don't understand Violet preferring to "be removed with Dizzy for not being trusted" and then voting an option that won't make that happen.

Maybe you should ask him about it.

What he said was he preferred that over Lucy.

I did.

He did say he preferred that.

And voted me.

And two votes followed.

Which will not create the thing he preferred.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:27 pm @Violet Do you still think I'm mafia? You know, the mafia multi shot vig that gave up his role. Cause that's definitely a thing.

Right now I am bothered by the fact that no one really went for the "two for the price of one deal" with chopping lovers. I thought that could mean I was really right with my quess, but giving up that role would not make much sense for a wolf to be honest.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:28 pm I don't understand Violet preferring to "be removed with Dizzy for not being trusted" and then voting an option that won't make that happen.

I said I would prefer that love chopping Lucy who at that time was the top elim.

Violet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:31 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:27 pm @Violet Do you still think I'm mafia? You know, the mafia multi shot vig that gave up his role. Cause that's definitely a thing.

Right now I am bothered by the fact that no one really went for the "two for the price of one deal" with chopping lovers. I thought that could mean I was really right with my quess, but giving up that role would not make much sense for a wolf to be honest.

I'm surprised too, and have considered it. I actually argued for the side that if people have both of us in PoE (thought, as you see, I think it's obvious I shouldn't be there), then voting one of us would probably be the more logical option.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:10 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:07 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:03 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:58 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:51 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:47 pm I think Dyslexicon is town.

Don't think its worth over-thinking them even if they're from a champs final game some time ago, since my gut feels good about them right now.

Also, like, a number of people aren't contributing much right now so not even worth to consider higher-posting players atm imo

Why Dolby of the low-post tier?

1. why wouldn't he be, hasn't even posted after my vote on them and only three posts; in most games I have played that is less than the minimum post count (there doesn't seem to be a clarified minimum post count for this game, though?)

2. he himself said he prob was going to low-post

1. Didn't ask why at all, rather why him of all who would qualify thus far. His second post was responsive to MO inquiry.

Dunno about minimum post ruling, but as far as lowest of low-posting goes, I believe there's still a player with zero.

2. So?

as much as I would elaborate with my own reasons and observations with respect to your response

our disagreement here sorta reads like it would drive right into a semantics and perceptions argument

which in my experience are rarely productive

My main concern is that your initial vote was blank and your reasoning boils down to "why not?" a bit.

Actual defense of Dolby. Damn. And then tried to spin it around on Martin.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:00 pm
Null towards sus
Dolby - one post out of three that can somewhat constitute interaction (answering MO) and picking small details/nuances off lucy; for a poster stating intent to not "do stuff", it's not nothing atm

"Towards sus" leads me to believe Rico would have something negative to say about Dolby, but this looks like a positive? Maybe I'm misreading it.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:31 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:30 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:28 pm I don't understand Violet preferring to "be removed with Dizzy for not being trusted" and then voting an option that won't make that happen.

Maybe you should ask him about it.

What he said was he preferred that over Lucy.

I did.

He did say he preferred that.

And voted me.

And two votes followed.

Which will not create the thing he preferred.

Either or both Violet and Dizzy may indeed not desire to blow up.

Because of being wolf.

I cannot save myself alone on Dizzy, so I am doomed without reconsideration from others

Violet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:22 pm I'm now caught up. I do not think Lucy is the right kill here, so I will put my vote on Rico.

Honestly, I would prefer blowing up both me and Dizzy over chopping Lucy.

Order of preference: Rico > Me + Dizzy >>>> Lucy

But I'm actually hopeful about this now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:33 pm [VOTE: Ricochet ] aubergine

Why?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:28 pm For real now. Working.

What she said.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:33 pm [VOTE: Ricochet ] aubergine

Why?

I just posted my half-assed CTRL-F. It looks worse.

So either this is Epig trying to place a buss vote on Rico. In which case, don't be fooled by that if Rico flips mafia.

Or we just lose the game, and it's like Violet and Epig or some shit lol.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:33 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:10 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:07 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:03 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:58 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:51 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:47 pm I think Dyslexicon is town.

Don't think its worth over-thinking them even if they're from a champs final game some time ago, since my gut feels good about them right now.

Also, like, a number of people aren't contributing much right now so not even worth to consider higher-posting players atm imo

Why Dolby of the low-post tier?

1. why wouldn't he be, hasn't even posted after my vote on them and only three posts; in most games I have played that is less than the minimum post count (there doesn't seem to be a clarified minimum post count for this game, though?)

2. he himself said he prob was going to low-post

1. Didn't ask why at all, rather why him of all who would qualify thus far. His second post was responsive to MO inquiry.

Dunno about minimum post ruling, but as far as lowest of low-posting goes, I believe there's still a player with zero.

2. So?

as much as I would elaborate with my own reasons and observations with respect to your response

our disagreement here sorta reads like it would drive right into a semantics and perceptions argument

which in my experience are rarely productive

My main concern is that your initial vote was blank and your reasoning boils down to "why not?" a bit.

Actual defense of Dolby. Damn. And then tried to spin it around on Martin.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:00 pm
Null towards sus
Dolby - one post out of three that can somewhat constitute interaction (answering MO) and picking small details/nuances off lucy; for a poster stating intent to not "do stuff", it's not nothing atm

"Towards sus" leads me to believe Rico would have something negative to say about Dolby, but this looks like a positive? Maybe I'm misreading it.

Martin had a blank. I questioned it.

Low posters are sus for me on principle bias. Of all the vast "uncertain" field, Dolby had achieved the minimum to not ping me as much..

I think we only lose to

Epig/Lucy (not likely because of D1 votes)
Violet/Lucy (not likely considering Lucy has rested her vote on me)
Epig/Violet (Could be a thing I guess)

My participation likely concludes at the same spot of reasoning and figuring-out that I started in the first place this afternoon.

If Violet and Dizzy town based on roles, remaining wolves can only be lucy and Daisy.

Nobody wants either lynched.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:40 pm My participation likely concludes at the same spot of reasoning and figuring-out that I started in the first place this afternoon.

If Violet and Dizzy town based on roles, remaining wolves can only be lucy and Daisy.

Nobody wants either lynched.

Daisy was the one who moved the train from you to Lucy in the first place though. They are obviously not teamed imo

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:40 pm My participation likely concludes at the same spot of reasoning and figuring-out that I started in the first place this afternoon.

If Violet and Dizzy town based on roles, remaining wolves can only be lucy and Daisy.

Nobody wants either lynched.

What about Epig?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:41 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:40 pm My participation likely concludes at the same spot of reasoning and figuring-out that I started in the first place this afternoon.

If Violet and Dizzy town based on roles, remaining wolves can only be lucy and Daisy.

Nobody wants either lynched.

Daisy was the one who moved the train from you to Lucy in the first place though. They are obviously not teamed imo

There are no other possibilities, in my POE.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:42 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:40 pm My participation likely concludes at the same spot of reasoning and figuring-out that I started in the first place this afternoon.

If Violet and Dizzy town based on roles, remaining wolves can only be lucy and Daisy.

Nobody wants either lynched.

What about Epig?

Cleared him too.

Daisy has nothing to reconsider in that case, because she is wolf.

Epignosis could reconsider both

a) how bombers (who, through their own loverization, are not guaranteed t/t) wanted, but then retracted blowing up.
b) my lucy / daisy conclusion by actual process of elimination (with faith in role claims being town)

Pointless vote on no self-pres.

I mean. We do lose to Lucy/Violet. That could be a world. In which case, Lucy's vote on me was a cool move.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:48 pm Pointless vote on no self-pres.

Us two, bb. Romantic.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:48 pm I mean. We do lose to Lucy/Violet. That could be a world. In which case, Lucy's vote on me was a cool move.

A vote there won't save me anymore, so free question: how can you wolf Violet and not want him blown and follow him on me?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:36 pm So either this is Epig trying to place a buss vote on Rico. In which case, don't be fooled by that if Rico flips mafia.

Or we just lose the game, and it's like Violet and Epig or some shit lol.

Are you saying you actiually think the second mafia is Epi?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:49 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:48 pm I mean. We do lose to Lucy/Violet. That could be a world. In which case, Lucy's vote on me was a cool move.

A vote there won't save me anymore, so free question: how can you wolf Violet and not want him blown and follow him on me?

I don't wolf read Violet necessarily. I'm trying to map out what the possible (or not highly unlikely) combinations are that we lose to if you are chopped here. So worlds in where you are not a wolf.

Violet/Lucy being wolf is such a world.
But in that world, Lucy tried to go after me, which would also have made Violet die. So I find it not that likely.

Epig/Lucy is such a world. However, Epig voted Lucy D1, so it's less likely. Still quite possible, but I'm also quite ok with giving this pair the win tbh.

Violet/Epig is also such a world. But in that world, why does Violet come in and argue for not chopping Lucy, but you instead? It's pointless. So not likely.

Etc etc.

Good luck town, hope you block the night kill.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:36 pm So either this is Epig trying to place a buss vote on Rico. In which case, don't be fooled by that if Rico flips mafia.

Or we just lose the game, and it's like Violet and Epig or some shit lol.

Are you saying you actiually think the second mafia is Epi?

If Rico flips wolf, yes, almost definitely.

It's not Violet, because he came in and made the switch happen. As did I. As did you. None of us had to. And Rico was on Lucy just before that, when he could've voted me instead. I think at this point, the only player Rico can be wolf with is Epig. So it's either both of them or we lose right now.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:48 pm I mean. We do lose to Lucy/Violet. That could be a world. In which case, Lucy's vote on me was a cool move.

I don't know lucy well but I suspect that lucy might do something like that. but lucy argued so hard for you. If it's lucy violet, lucy could have voted Rico with me, easy path to victory. there is no reason to go after you and chop her teammate in the process if lucy is bad and her teammate is violet

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:53 pm Good luck town, hope you block the night kill.

Well, I'm sorry if you are town. Then this has not been a great showing by any town, except Jack.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:55 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:53 pm Good luck town, hope you block the night kill.

Well, I'm sorry if you are town. Then this has not been a great showing by any town, except Jack.

You were sorry for every town mislynch. It's ok. Or a pattern. Cheers.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:23 pm

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:47 pm Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today

so im sort of just biding my time until then

unordered readlist

martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy

epig
ricochet

This is about the time I decided TH is probably town.

So are Martin and Dizzy.

"Why?"

Mind your business.

Imagine TH having these reads D1 if it's Epig/Rico. Now, that is something to believe in.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:56 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:55 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:53 pm Good luck town, hope you block the night kill.

Well, I'm sorry if you are town. Then this has not been a great showing by any town, except Jack.

You were sorry for every town mislynch. It's ok. Or a pattern. Cheers.

I was.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:53 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:36 pm So either this is Epig trying to place a buss vote on Rico. In which case, don't be fooled by that if Rico flips mafia.

Or we just lose the game, and it's like Violet and Epig or some shit lol.

Are you saying you actiually think the second mafia is Epi?

If Rico flips wolf, yes, almost definitely.

It's not Violet, because he came in and made the switch happen. As did I. As did you. None of us had to. And Rico was on Lucy just before that, when he could've voted me instead. I think at this point, the only player Rico can be wolf with is Epig. So it's either both of them or we lose right now.

I think Rico is the one who looks worst from that tie earlier between himself and you. I absolutely could see Rico teamed eith violet.

He would not put a self pres vote on himself when doing so would have put you ahead of him. Why? The minute it looked like lucy could be chopped, he hopped on it straight away, when before he was sayng a self pres vote was pointless. If it's not because of self pres, why not have voted lucy earlier because that was who legitimately suspected? Holding his vote at that point looks bad and makes me believe in a Rico violet team here.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:57 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:56 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:55 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:53 pm Good luck town, hope you block the night kill.

Well, I'm sorry if you are town. Then this has not been a great showing by any town, except Jack.

You were sorry for every town mislynch. It's ok. Or a pattern. Cheers.

I was.

Whilst mislynching them.

Well, right now, this doesn't feel good either. So

Violet/Lucy maybe. Oh well.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:57 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:56 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:55 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:53 pm Good luck town, hope you block the night kill.

Well, I'm sorry if you are town. Then this has not been a great showing by any town, except Jack.

You were sorry for every town mislynch. It's ok. Or a pattern. Cheers.

I was.

Whilst mislynching them.

Meh. TSP wasn't really my choice. But yes. In any case, town are responsible together.

Would be funny if Violet was so convinced that they would be chopped, that Lucy did that play, attacking me, to make her more clear. I would like that a lot.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:57 pm Well, right now, this doesn't feel good either. So

Violet/Lucy maybe. Oh well.

Third work-around and waffle around the mislynch.

Epig, Daisy. Now or never. Please.