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Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
I didn’t hear the hollering. I heard some pointed come-ons but that’s about it
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
i certainly came on to scotty
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I prefer Espeon to Vaporeon, though they're pretty breedable too
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
The world is one big game of hit-the-piñata with everyone blindly swinging their sticks and no one knowing what treasures await inside anyway.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
i disagree, feels like i'm swinging with prescience among the blindScotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:00 pmThe world is one big game of hit-the-piñata with everyone blindly swinging their sticks and no one knowing what treasures await inside anyway.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
I believe that post shes referring to was yesterday.
Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
If you ask me a joke of a question, you're going to get a joke of an answer.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Yes.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:32 pmah, guess you aren’t, i nonetheless find pre flipping very sillyGolden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:25 pmLol ok then.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:21 pmlegacy analysis 2 days after the fact is just weird, and pre flipping associations is terrible play, like forming a team in your mind and slaughtering within that is just very poor play and you'll always be wrong
i don't know whether it's scummy, or if you simply don't know this
1) who says I’m committed to slaughtering within them? I think splints might be the answer right now
2) “you’ll always be wrong” is a pretty condescending thing to say. What if I solved the wolfteam? You think this hasn’t happened?
Building worlds and finding associative teams is what I do, and it’s helpful for me. But don’t mistake me for a tunneler unless I suspect svs.
i'm sure that you haven't solved the team, pre flipping is always wrong, i'm 100% sure you haven't solved the team. the rest of my arguments were even more condescending so i'll end this here
i've been taught to find associatives only after flips, never before, while i understand it might be helpful have you ever been 100% right?
But I’m under no illusion that it’ll be wrong more often than not. But if I find someone wolfy but can’t find a theory of the game that works, that’s a helpful tool for me. And associative ideas can still be helpful. For example, I dare say you use ‘those two people won’t be w/w’. The ideas aren’t much different unless you tunnel.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
Here you go.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
w/v and v/v and w/w are as associative as i'll go, building teams is often wrong, although i do agree near lylo if you see a person without any team pairings they're usually town. however we are not near lyloGolden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:03 pm Yes.
But I’m under no illusion that it’ll be wrong more often than not. But if I find someone wolfy but can’t find a theory of the game that works, that’s a helpful tool for me. And associative ideas can still be helpful. For example, I dare say you use ‘those two people won’t be w/w’. The ideas aren’t much different unless you tunnel.
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I’m a public lawyer, currently in the child protection sector, previously in the justice sector. But now im also a manager with portfolio responsibilities and no time to do actual research (I still do some).
I know a decent amount about jury reform and, yes, this is my idea but the problem is abolition of juries is quite unpopular lol.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
I'm married, rhats about as far as I'm going with that. I'll also remind you that my kid is in this thread.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Soneji could be town with a wildly wrong grip on the game.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 1]
@Kate no reminding necessarylucy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:35 pmmy memory is almost photographic, I'm remembering everything but I don't think anything is alignment indicative as of yet, I don't have too many reads until d2 if you want some self meta that multiple people here can confirmS~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:33 pmBut there are 13 other people playing, not just Kate and her kids. Are you concentrating on them only?lucy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:22 pmno other content lol, I reckon they will all have good reads on one another by virtue of birth, and if I poke enough I can just tell if there's a mafia between the 3, and if there is then I start the actual fun. until then it's literally just random voting stage, is it not?
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ahhhh, cause i knew lawyers did their own researchGolden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:07 pmI’m a public lawyer, currently in the child protection sector, previously in the justice sector. But now im also a manager with portfolio responsibilities and no time to do actual research (I still do some).
I know a decent amount about jury reform and, yes, this is my idea but the problem is abolition of juries is quite unpopular lol.
do you trust the peole giving you resarch/analysis?
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i wouldn't know, i'm a civ, i'm seeing if you actually thought of things that would qualify as "specific reasoning", or if you're saying something just to say it
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Well I assume it would be genuine or was genuine if you are civ. If you're bad it would be distancing or deflection to a less important role.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:11 pmi wouldn't know, i'm a civ, i'm seeing if you actually thought of things that would qualify as "specific reasoning", or if you're saying something just to say it
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Yeah, I’ve got a very good team.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:10 pmahhhh, cause i knew lawyers did their own researchGolden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:07 pmI’m a public lawyer, currently in the child protection sector, previously in the justice sector. But now im also a manager with portfolio responsibilities and no time to do actual research (I still do some).
I know a decent amount about jury reform and, yes, this is my idea but the problem is abolition of juries is quite unpopular lol.
do you trust the peole giving you resarch/analysis?
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 2]
What made you say this in the moment?
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35%, he's my top suspect but i don't necessarily want to go there today off the good chance he was civ, overnight i strongly considered tunneling him but decided against it because he found out that his pov this game was incorrect, and i don't think scotty chooses to tunnel me out of all players
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
So you’re feeling better about him today?lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:17 pm35%, he's my top suspect but i don't necessarily want to go there today off the good chance he was civ, overnight i strongly considered tunneling him but decided against it because he found out that his pov this game was incorrect, and i don't think scotty chooses to tunnel me out of all players
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
You continue to misrepresent the argument even though I have clarified multiple times. It is getting to the point where I think it might be intentional.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
i question your ability to practice lawGolden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:19 pmSo you’re feeling better about him today?lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:17 pm35%, he's my top suspect but i don't necessarily want to go there today off the good chance he was civ, overnight i strongly considered tunneling him but decided against it because he found out that his pov this game was incorrect, and i don't think scotty chooses to tunnel me out of all players
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
How do you think D2 would have played out if we had a no-elim D1?fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:24 pm I mean I get that info is better, but I don’t think I’d ever choose “info for the thread” over “me”
It isn't just info. Also keeping the game moving forward.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Like, yknow, this stuff is the reason the old school players aren’t letting up on you.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:21 pmi question your ability to practice lawGolden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:19 pmSo you’re feeling better about him today?lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:17 pm35%, he's my top suspect but i don't necessarily want to go there today off the good chance he was civ, overnight i strongly considered tunneling him but decided against it because he found out that his pov this game was incorrect, and i don't think scotty chooses to tunnel me out of all players
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Well ots certainly not intentional, fyi we all have rsv or some similar miserable virus so I may be a bit foggy minded. I also admit to having neither a crystal ball nor a photographic memory lol
Seriously though, if I misrepresented what you've said I apologize but that's my interpretation of the situation.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Unless you have TMI, it isn't "no elim vs civ elim" it is "no elim vs ??? elim".Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:21 pmKate clarified it the same way I understood it, fwiw. Clearly I’ve missed something.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
You know with the deleter ability, I tend to think that a tie would absolutely have lead to one if you being flipped and then a witch hunt on the other because votes went missing. So even though I kind of disagree that a day one tie kills forward momentum (it obviously would by day 3), I now really do agree with your view for this game.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:22 pmHow do you think D2 would have played out if we had a no-elim D1?fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:24 pm I mean I get that info is better, but I don’t think I’d ever choose “info for the thread” over “me”
It isn't just info. Also keeping the game moving forward.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
You've been holding back??
Yikes, Dennis cover your eyes lol
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
I think a big part of the culture clash here is that people are willing to insert their reads into the ???Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:24 pmUnless you have TMI, it isn't "no elim vs civ elim" it is "no elim vs ??? elim".Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:21 pmKate clarified it the same way I understood it, fwiw. Clearly I’ve missed something.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Then speak plainly. Do you think a scotty elim is what we should do today?
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
also it is genuinely fun playing with old school players, seeing different perspectives on reads and game theory, however i will advocate for current meta as that to me is the best practice
and i'll be my obsessive self since i'm extremely good at hunting scum
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
There’s best practice in dentistry.
In mafia there is no best practice. There’s just people who think their way is best and people who have seen an abundance of styles work well and realise that you can’t science the game into an algorithm.
The reason I’m on a five game win streak as a deepwolf is that too many people think like you. I can beat ‘best practice’ every time but I’m fucked if I think I can beat SVSs gut.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
The only good meta in mafia is one that constantly changes and adapts so that wolves can’t play a perfect civ game.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Why not fingersplints?lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:30 pmassuming i'm kingmaker then i would honestly lynch scotty, however i don't want the responsibility and i'm not entirely certain, so i'd prefer to pelt bea/mata
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
Pelt away at bea all you want but I think the odds of successfully eliming get today are low. There was one post bea made last night that I don’t think wolf bea ever makes.
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Re: Lawyers, Guns and Money- [DAY 3]
i have no doubt you're a particularly strong wolf, but i haven't played with you before so i'm mostly going in blind with youGolden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:30 pm There’s best practice in dentistry.
In mafia there is no best practice. There’s just people who think their way is best and people who have seen an abundance of styles work well and realise that you can’t science the game into an algorithm.
The reason I’m on a five game win streak as a deepwolf is that too many people think like you. I can beat ‘best practice’ every time but I’m fucked if I think I can beat SVSs gut.
are you a cocky wolf btw?
and there is no best practice, no absolute best method, everything works to better or worse degrees. i figure my methodology works similarly well to the methodology and time which you come from
do you think new meta is inherently worse/better/neutral and ultimately depends on the practitioner?