The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:37 pm SVS, if you weren't voting bea today, where would you go?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:42 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:37 pm SVS, if you weren't voting bea today, where would you go?

Sloonei still, I have issues with G Man committing suicide to save him. I think he was wishy before he was pushed. His voting in the Lorab lynch was shady imo.

Golden is a high level player; I would expect suspicions other than low posters I guess by Day 3.

This is a strong thread with a lot of content. A push at low posters confuses me.

I was talking to Golden. Are you his attorney?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:45 pm Do you actually suspect him?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:20 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:15 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:10 pm I vote for [VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine.

Do you think faraday is bad? I don’t. Who do you think is bad other than Bea? I’d rather counterwagon on someone trending bad.

I think he *could* be bad and I’m interested to see what develops from it.

But besides that, he was the only person other than bea who had any votes at all.

And I heard he had a flurry of activity but I haven’t read it yet.

All of us *could* be bad. But do you have reason to think this person is bad? I have reason to think he is not. He is not one of the people I would aggressively defend, but surely you suspect someone more than Faraday?

Linki @Golden sure I have people I suspect, but you’ve been here longer. You don’t have any suggestions of your own? Your top suspicion is a low poster?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:59 pm A cheesy low poster counter wagon annoys me, it is beneath this Mafia Supergroup

I crashed out on the couch last night, so I’m going to bed early. Good night Quin, I hope your client is able to formulate suspicions. Xox

Linki =@Golden thanks for that list. I am a fan of Quins Eloh vote even less than your Faraday vote.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:03 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:59 pm A cheesy low poster counter wagon annoys me, it is beneath this Mafia Supergroup

I crashed out on the couch last night, so I’m going to bed early. Good night Quin, I hope your client is able to formulate suspicions. Xox

Linki =@Golden thanks for that list. I am a fan of Quins Eloh vote even less than your Faraday vote.

What's wrong with it?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:59 pm A cheesy low poster counter wagon annoys me, it is beneath this Mafia Supergroup

I crashed out on the couch last night, so I’m going to bed early. Good night Quin, I hope your client is able to formulate suspicions. Xox

Linki =@Golden thanks for that list. I am a fan of Quins Eloh vote even less than your Faraday vote.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:08 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:59 pm A cheesy low poster counter wagon annoys me, it is beneath this Mafia Supergroup

I crashed out on the couch last night, so I’m going to bed early. Good night Quin, I hope your client is able to formulate suspicions. Xox

Linki =@Golden thanks for that list. I am a fan of Quins Eloh vote even less than your Faraday vote.

Ping me if you like, but I’m not picking who I vote for based on how much you like it.

I didn’t like your vote on Sloonei yesterday and i think he’s town but did the fact you started a counterwagon give us valuable info? Yes, I think it did, if bea is bad it’s literally caught us a baddie.

So I think you should recognise the utility of my vote with the goal of creating a viable counterwagon beyond whether you agree with my suspicion.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:09 pm I'll see what you have to say about her when I get home.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:20 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:14 pm I am looking at a 7 person wagon with 24 hours left to go and wondering 'what have we learned today'?

There's scum on that wagon. Something for me to look at when I'm home from work.

Is there an echo in here?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:46 pm Can't really spot any concerted effort to save G-Man around End of Day.
Bea vote sticks out as townie, at first glance. I think for a Feb team that doesn't want to stick out too much voting together to save him, G-Man is the more logical choice. With the best choice being to vote off both wagons.
Michelle feels less opinionated than during D1. The DFaraday push could be such an attempt at placing a vote away from G-Man and also not Sloonei.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:58 pm Tokang thu ployurs frem thu lewust pesturs
Whot thu censunsis epanaen obeit Forodoy?

Has Ase as smoll, centoans o fuw ruods ond sulf muto soyang hu weild pest meru os o welf

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:50 pm I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

It's a weird interaction between these two, actually. It's really not the angle most of the game was looking at, and they seem to feel a bit too safe in this bubble where they push each other. DFara openly admits to not reading the reasons behind the wagons, but somehow finds Michelle interesting enough to read. Maybe he was just reading whoever was pushing him, but then he'd have had to read the thread?

The banger here is that Michelle didn't vote, so for DF to notice her, he'd also have had to run into posts describing reasons behind the main wagons. So this could be grounds to campaign for a DF lynch tomorrow, as it feels like he's lying here about what he read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:12 am DFaraday -> G-man

Spoiler: show

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:04 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:26 amDF - a proper scum read at this point. DF is always quiet and I defended him on day 1 but it’s day 3 now…. And perpetual catch up mode. I don’t think civ DF is *this* quiet.

I actually think I'm the opposite. I feel more pressured to contribute as a baddie because I have teammates to look out for. I guess technically I do as a civ too, but it's less immediate.

Anyway, Scotty and G-Man are reading civ to me, mostly due to tone. DH, from what I've read, almost seems to want to die, and I'm getting the vibe that his recent posts are some kind of baddie ploy. I will put a vote on him for now, in the absence of strong reads on anyone else yet.

DF gives G-man an unsubstantiated town read, along with Scotty. He cites "tone" for each of them. Okay then.

Spoiler: show

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:17 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:32 pm DF:
Posts a promise-to-catch-up post at the end of N0, misses all of D1, has a right (imo) read on Eloh. Also cursed with switched vowels D2. Another promise post, and then a post in which he says that LoRab's tone reminds him of her past baddie tone and he votes for her. That's it. Four posts. @DFaraday Now that you are not cursed, can you point to a few of LoRab's posts that led you to the wrong conclusion about her tone meta? DF is about as inconclusive as it gets. With no real room for null reads at this point, I have to put him in my poe. It's not because I find him suspicious, but because I have no reason to townclear him based on his content thus far.

Votes: Missed D1, LoRab D2

This is what struck me as defensive baddie:

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:20 pm You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.

I wish I were bad--I find being bad much easier, but here we are. I'm civ. I wish I were able to help the civvies win.

If I'm lynched, go after Kate and Bea next. Scotty isn't making me feel great. Llama may also be a baddie--I keep going back and forth on him. And Dr Wilgy needs to stop licking people and hiding behind his goofiness--it is making me increasingly suspect him.

To me it almost came across like trying to garner sympathy, but I was obviously wrong about that.

I also now see that SVS replaced DH. That makes me feel much less confident in my baddie ploy theory.

G-man asks DF to justify his LoRab vote, and DF responds with a direct citation. Solid response. DF's response to G here tells me very little, but (as I said in my previous post), I think G-man's treatment of him here looks like a mafioso in search of more "suspects" to push.

Spoiler: show

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:50 pm I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

DF abstains from yesterday's vote because he suspects neither of the two main candidates. Fine. His town read on G-man is at least consistent, although he never quite articulated why it existed. This is not the worst, but there is nothing in DF's posts that counts as "good" either. Inconclusive.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:44 pm Bea's silence is welcoming.

Tastes of the calm before the worm.

@Michelle what's up home dog skillet?

longest work day of the week, vacation days giving extra work as well, and feeling sick when i came home around 9 pm so I went to sleep. Waking up at 4 am and skimming the day a little
Also searching for dog skillet was instructive

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:54 pm Rez plz

i realised how much I miss to play with you Dizzy

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:12 am DFaraday -> G-man

Spoiler: show

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:04 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:26 amDF - a proper scum read at this point. DF is always quiet and I defended him on day 1 but it’s day 3 now…. And perpetual catch up mode. I don’t think civ DF is *this* quiet.

I actually think I'm the opposite. I feel more pressured to contribute as a baddie because I have teammates to look out for. I guess technically I do as a civ too, but it's less immediate.

Anyway, Scotty and G-Man are reading civ to me, mostly due to tone. DH, from what I've read, almost seems to want to die, and I'm getting the vibe that his recent posts are some kind of baddie ploy. I will put a vote on him for now, in the absence of strong reads on anyone else yet.

DF gives G-man an unsubstantiated town read, along with Scotty. He cites "tone" for each of them. Okay then.

Spoiler: show

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:17 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:32 pm DF:
Posts a promise-to-catch-up post at the end of N0, misses all of D1, has a right (imo) read on Eloh. Also cursed with switched vowels D2. Another promise post, and then a post in which he says that LoRab's tone reminds him of her past baddie tone and he votes for her. That's it. Four posts. @DFaraday Now that you are not cursed, can you point to a few of LoRab's posts that led you to the wrong conclusion about her tone meta? DF is about as inconclusive as it gets. With no real room for null reads at this point, I have to put him in my poe. It's not because I find him suspicious, but because I have no reason to townclear him based on his content thus far.

Votes: Missed D1, LoRab D2

This is what struck me as defensive baddie:

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:20 pm You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.

I wish I were bad--I find being bad much easier, but here we are. I'm civ. I wish I were able to help the civvies win.

If I'm lynched, go after Kate and Bea next. Scotty isn't making me feel great. Llama may also be a baddie--I keep going back and forth on him. And Dr Wilgy needs to stop licking people and hiding behind his goofiness--it is making me increasingly suspect him.

To me it almost came across like trying to garner sympathy, but I was obviously wrong about that.

I also now see that SVS replaced DH. That makes me feel much less confident in my baddie ploy theory.

G-man asks DF to justify his LoRab vote, and DF responds with a direct citation. Solid response. DF's response to G here tells me very little, but (as I said in my previous post), I think G-man's treatment of him here looks like a mafioso in search of more "suspects" to push.

Spoiler: show

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:50 pm I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

DF abstains from yesterday's vote because he suspects neither of the two main candidates. Fine. His town read on G-man is at least consistent, although he never quite articulated why it existed. This is not the worst, but there is nothing in DF's posts that counts as "good" either. Inconclusive.

I pretty much play based on vibes and tone unless it's a small game or I've made it to the late game. I've never been one for ISOs and data analysis, even when I had the time.

And I didn't abstain from the vote. I voted third party.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:33 pm Btw Kate I *vibe* you town but that is not the same thing as me having paid close attention to your posts.

I have had to choose where to focus my attention in this game, and you’ve not pinged me so I’ve never focused it on you.

It’s that time in the game where I can’t be satisfied with myself if my read is merely vibe, so I actually do have to go back and read you.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:37 pm Night 3 legacy rainbow! Just in case.


Elo
Kate
Vivax2.0
Golden
DrWilgy
SVS
Michelle
sig
Sloonei
DFaraday
Quin
bea

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:55 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

Also in respect of your question about Sloonei.

My read of Sloonei is kinda like the read you think I should have on you.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:55 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

Also in respect of your question about Sloonei.

My read of Sloonei is kinda like the read you think I should have on you.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:37 pm Night 3 legacy rainbow! Just in case.


Elo
Kate
Vivax2.0
Golden
DrWilgy
SVS
Michelle
sig
Sloonei
DFaraday
Quin
bea

Oh look scotty dropped a legacy rainbow. Interesting.

Also scotty this game is less fun without you.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:55 pm G-Man didn’t vote in self-defense. There’s two explanations for that in my mind. I read Sloonei as town, personally, so I lean more towards the town one. (There’s a third possibility too - “G was just too busy”)

1) G-Man and Sloonei are w/w. I could definitely see G being the type to take the hit over Sloonei because he felt Sloonei had more ‘win equity’. If sloon is mafia right now, not being nked isn’t even suspicious.

2) Sloonei is town, and G-Man wanted the wifom of people wanting to think the reason why he didn’t self-vote is (1). That’s why he made the post about Sloonei being a better town asset than him.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:37 pm Night 3 legacy rainbow! Just in case.


Elo
Kate
Vivax2.0
Golden
DrWilgy
SVS
Michelle
sig
Sloonei
DFaraday
Quin
bea

Oh look scotty dropped a legacy rainbow. Interesting.

Also scotty this game is less fun without you.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:07 pm Two days in a row I plant counterwagon votes and the person I vote no u’s me.

Like, I have thoughts. Some of them are ‘if you’re town, can’t you get on board with subtext’ thoughts. Others are ‘if you’re bad, am I putting you under pressure’ thoughts.

But my main thought is what I said to svs yesterday. I would have ultimately voted to save Sloonei if needed (and kinda did) but bea is ‘winning’ the poll today and seems to have gone into antispew because Sloonei, someone who I think is civ, is a viable counter option.

I believe in being accountable for how you vote and use an explanation, but I think it’s problematic (and this goes beyond myself, it’s problematic on a level of solving the game well), if people are discouraged for voting in ways that create pressure and the opportunity for mafia to show themselves, for me that’s a net negative to the town.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:59 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:55 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

Also in respect of your question about Sloonei.

My read of Sloonei is kinda like the read you think I should have on you.

Can you reformulate the last sentence for me please?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:15 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:07 pm Two days in a row I plant counterwagon votes and the person I vote no u’s me.

Like, I have thoughts. Some of them are ‘if you’re town, can’t you get on board with subtext’ thoughts. Others are ‘if you’re bad, am I putting you under pressure’ thoughts.

But my main thought is what I said to svs yesterday. I would have ultimately voted to save Sloonei if needed (and kinda did) but bea is ‘winning’ the poll today and seems to have gone into antispew because Sloonei, someone who I think is civ, is a viable counter option.

I believe in being accountable for how you vote and use an explanation, but I think it’s problematic (and this goes beyond myself, it’s problematic on a level of solving the game well), if people are discouraged for voting in ways that create pressure and the opportunity for mafia to show themselves, for me that’s a net negative to the town.

If Bea is outed wolf there is not much to say.
I play usually at MU where the day ends in most of the games when majority is reached. Often town forces the majj to end the day in such cases.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:01 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:55 pm G-Man didn’t vote in self-defense. There’s two explanations for that in my mind. I read Sloonei as town, personally, so I lean more towards the town one. (There’s a third possibility too - “G was just too busy”)

1) G-Man and Sloonei are w/w. I could definitely see G being the type to take the hit over Sloonei because he felt Sloonei had more ‘win equity’. If sloon is mafia right now, not being nked isn’t even suspicious.

2) Sloonei is town, and G-Man wanted the wifom of people wanting to think the reason why he didn’t self-vote is (1). That’s why he made the post about Sloonei being a better town asset than him.

@Kate here are my sloon/g-man thoughts.

Also because I’ve been so absent I couldn’t figure out when or on what page I posted this so I had to iso myself. Guys, I’m sorry for all the times you’ve isoed me over the years.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:44 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:01 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:55 pm G-Man didn’t vote in self-defense. There’s two explanations for that in my mind. I read Sloonei as town, personally, so I lean more towards the town one. (There’s a third possibility too - “G was just too busy”)

1) G-Man and Sloonei are w/w. I could definitely see G being the type to take the hit over Sloonei because he felt Sloonei had more ‘win equity’. If sloon is mafia right now, not being nked isn’t even suspicious.

2) Sloonei is town, and G-Man wanted the wifom of people wanting to think the reason why he didn’t self-vote is (1). That’s why he made the post about Sloonei being a better town asset than him.

@Kate here are my sloon/g-man thoughts.

Also because I’ve been so absent I couldn’t figure out when or on what page I posted this so I had to iso myself. Guys, I’m sorry for all the times you’ve isoed me over the years.

But, if I understand your posts, option 1 is highly unlikely?