The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:04 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:34 pm I should also be clear that I am not done looking at people's interactions with G-man. My current Vivax suspicion exists entirely because of the way G-man interacted with him. I have not looked at Vivax's interactions with G-man. Or most of the remaining players' interactions with G. So while I stand by the reads I have right now, my view of the game is still a work in progress.

I find this hard to believe. Even before G-Man's flip you gave off the impression of having me in your PoE at all times.

That doesn't mean I had a clear read on you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:28 pm Wilgy cast the deciding vote to send G-man over. The Doctor can be town.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:24 pm Am I red or black licorice?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm @Golden @Sloonei @Kate vote Vivax you perfect little Angels who taste of sweet licorice.

Do you need more help with that?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:46 am

bea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:44 am Svs - i will settle for a cppy of ypur cheesecake recipie. My old copy got lost in the house move shuffle.


Sorry I played like crap this game guys!

Die cute kitten thing die!

Then I shall consume.

You took it to the next level

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:04 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:34 pm I should also be clear that I am not done looking at people's interactions with G-man. My current Vivax suspicion exists entirely because of the way G-man interacted with him. I have not looked at Vivax's interactions with G-man. Or most of the remaining players' interactions with G. So while I stand by the reads I have right now, my view of the game is still a work in progress.

I find this hard to believe. Even before G-Man's flip you gave off the impression of having me in your PoE at all times.

That doesn't mean I had a clear read on you.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:04 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:34 pm I should also be clear that I am not done looking at people's interactions with G-man. My current Vivax suspicion exists entirely because of the way G-man interacted with him. I have not looked at Vivax's interactions with G-man. Or most of the remaining players' interactions with G. So while I stand by the reads I have right now, my view of the game is still a work in progress.

I find this hard to believe. Even before G-Man's flip you gave off the impression of having me in your PoE at all times.

That doesn't mean I had a clear read on you.

You do you, but I'm civvie and appreciate accusations I can respond to. G-Man's interactions with me being lukewarm are very much something that he could have planted, being a newcomer and all. Fully agree that I never saw any threat coming my way from him, but if I were to use your logic I should want to lim you just because Fingersplints was the N1 kill, and what could you rebuke to that?

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:33 pm Sloonei - "I'm not done with my associative reads, it's just that I'm up to Golden and fuck that shit."

(Probably not true, just feels like a theme when people play games with me lol).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:40 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:57 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:29 pm It's a fun mafia skills contest.

Zero skills here as well, but I have work I should be doing, so why not serve up a distraction. Whatcha got?

NAA unintentionally made G-man drop his V shtick. Do we think that tells us anything about whether or not they are teammates?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:33 pm Sloonei - "I'm not done with my associative reads, it's just that I'm up to Golden and fuck that shit."

(Probably not true, just feels like a theme when people play games with me lol).

I was honestly just gonna skip you, tbh.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:32 pm Thread feels like it wants to gaslight me into going after Sloon, Eloh and Wilgy.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:32 pm @Kate I might have missed it but do you have a current read of S~V~S?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:35 am Waking up to Douche votes on Yu was an unexpected shock.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:36 pm Cooking instructions for Spicy Bea Ramen,

Ingredients:
2 tbsp of Granola
1 Bea
2 cups of granulated salt
.5 cup of cottage cheese

Take a skillet and heat it on warm. Line the skillet with butter you dropped on the floor, but don't worry, 5 second rule prevents dog hair on the floor from sticking to it.

Squirt the 6 oz of Nutella into the pan and heat until blackened.

While your Nutella is blackening, remove your eggs from the fridge, crack them and drop the newly hatched Bea into the bowl. Add cinnamon and turmeric. Blend the Bea and spice mix with a whisk.

Once blackened, add your blended Bea to the Nutella and cook till bronze.

Remove from skillet, place over toast and voila.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:40 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:57 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:29 pm It's a fun mafia skills contest.

Zero skills here as well, but I have work I should be doing, so why not serve up a distraction. Whatcha got?

NAA unintentionally made G-man drop his V shtick. Do we think that tells us anything about whether or not they are teammates?

Do you think it does?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:56 am Very interesting. NAA gets G-man to briefly forget his commitment to the letter V. Does this tell us anything about their relationship? It suggests that G-man is responding very naturally without giving it thought. That could suggest that his guard is completely down here, and he is not overly conscious of his interaction with NAA/Vivax. That would be a positive look for the slot. It could also be that he was trying to put on a laid back, nonchalant affect, and went too far. I'm inclined to say this is a very slightly positive look for NAA/Vivax. But I'm gonna toss it out in the thread right now to give it more attention.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:44 pm Depends on your definition.

I'd say so.

But I'd also be commiting fraud.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:40 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:57 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:29 pm It's a fun mafia skills contest.

Zero skills here as well, but I have work I should be doing, so why not serve up a distraction. Whatcha got?

NAA unintentionally made G-man drop his V shtick. Do we think that tells us anything about whether or not they are teammates?

Do you think it does?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:56 am Very interesting. NAA gets G-man to briefly forget his commitment to the letter V. Does this tell us anything about their relationship? It suggests that G-man is responding very naturally without giving it thought. That could suggest that his guard is completely down here, and he is not overly conscious of his interaction with NAA/Vivax. That would be a positive look for the slot. It could also be that he was trying to put on a laid back, nonchalant affect, and went too far. I'm inclined to say this is a very slightly positive look for NAA/Vivax. But I'm gonna toss it out in the thread right now to give it more attention.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:40 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:57 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:29 pm It's a fun mafia skills contest.

Zero skills here as well, but I have work I should be doing, so why not serve up a distraction. Whatcha got?

NAA unintentionally made G-man drop his V shtick. Do we think that tells us anything about whether or not they are teammates?

Do you think it does?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:56 am Very interesting. NAA gets G-man to briefly forget his commitment to the letter V. Does this tell us anything about their relationship? It suggests that G-man is responding very naturally without giving it thought. That could suggest that his guard is completely down here, and he is not overly conscious of his interaction with NAA/Vivax. That would be a positive look for the slot. It could also be that he was trying to put on a laid back, nonchalant affect, and went too far. I'm inclined to say this is a very slightly positive look for NAA/Vivax. But I'm gonna toss it out in the thread right now to give it more attention.

Thanks. I'm just doing my catch up.

You've probably also answered this too, but when you did your original G-Man iso... and clearly in the quote above too... you came out slightly favourably towards vivax, but now it appears you are sussing him based on G-Man's side (acknowledging you haven't read Vivax's side yet), so what has shifted for you?

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:58 pm But I could see how writing that is not something one could do while living in other places. I guess I'm somewhat unspoiled in that regard.
Either way, as I am the CW now and I'm not going to vote myself, here we go.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:21 pm Michelle, my POE is currently:

You
Bea
Quin
DF
SVS

My towncore includes Sloonei, Vivax, Eloh and Kate.

Wilgy and sig are not in my PoE and I have town reads on them but if there's mafia who are not in my PoE, I think it's those two.

(And I spent far too long trying to work out why that didn't add up to 12 people).

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:01 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:21 pm Michelle, my POE is currently:

You
Bea
Quin
DF
SVS

My towncore includes Sloonei, Vivax, Eloh and Kate.

Wilgy and sig are not in my PoE and I have town reads on them but if there's mafia who are not in my PoE, I think it's those two.

(And I spent far too long trying to work out why that didn't add up to 12 people).

Can you explain them with a sentence for each one?
I am mostly curious about me and Faraday.

Also I have Wilgy in my town core.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:58 pm But I could see how writing that is not something one could do while living in other places. I guess I'm somewhat unspoiled in that regard.
Either way, as I am the CW now and I'm not going to vote myself, here we go.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:13 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:50 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:38 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:15 am Addendum to the post about why G Mans bad team wouldn’t try to lynch someone else.

This is driving me nuts. I’m trying to figure out why a bad team wouldn’t try to start a third wagon if both Sloon and G were bad, or try harder to pile on Sloonei if only G was bad.

Maybe he was alone, or only had one teammate there? Like others were low posters or had time zone issues?

Because I’ve been playing Mafia a long time and have never seen a baddie with an alternative train do … nothing. I’m spitballing about maybe low posters etc because I just don’t understand Gs behavior there.

Yes, this makes sense. Thinking back on g-man's play, it seems like he was doing just enough to try to get by trying to look civ without rocking the boat too much to gain suspicion. As if he were going it pretty much alone and trying to hold it all together. This doesn't help alleviate my gut suspicion of DH, now SVS. And neither does SVS' lack of voting Gman. I don't know why I can't shake it. Does ANYone else feel the same way?

I don't. She's got her kid gloves on in a sense, when it comes to Bea, but bea is looking more and more bad to me and svs noticed that right away. If she were bad, I believe she'd shy away from accusing bea at all. Also, she can read me like a newspaper, and I've never seen a bad svs defend a civ me as well as she has here.

This is exactly my thought.

In a world where Sloonei is civ, bea voting not only to tie the game with a self-professed poor read on the game at large, but to potentially save GMan is a double red flag.

bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:15 pm I can see early game reasons why one might feel that way and have before. I think DH was there in frustration before he subbed out. But I tend to agree wirh you on that point viv.

This is responding to Viv’s comment that a civ should never be fine getting miselimmed, which is what GMan was doing.
Then, 20 minutes later:

bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:34 pm I am a confused and no lies feel like any vote I make is rushed and illinformed.

Also i missed why svs voted sloon? It looked in the thread like she sused gman.

bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:35 pm Dgoing with the tie. I hope rev knows better than i do.

Nothing in that progression makes sense. Does a civ bea have to make sense? No, but I’d expect a better explanation for doing 2 nakedly hedgey and scummy things.

bea is mafia for these actions alone.

This is pretty damning my only issue with Bea is her lack of voting and curse the following day. I’d think the mafia would be more on top of that? Of course that could also serve as a good strategy for a one day pass BUT she wasn’t being suspected then anyway.

I don’t really recall Bea’s neta so I’m a bit worried this may be another Lorab style vote so if any older players could chime in I’d appreciate it

@Kate @Golden @S~V~S

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:12 pm *joins thread*
*Shitposts*
*???*
*Becomes a top tr*

C'mon y'all where was this 5 years ago?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:53 pm Current vote total as of ~7 hours left in Day 3:

GMan (4): SVS, Richochet, Scotty, DrWilgy
sig (3): Vivax, Kate, Golden
SVS (2): DFaraday, sig
Kate (1): Quin
Quin (1): GMan
Vivax (1): Sloonei

Not Voting (3): bea, Elo, Michelle

Currently insanified: Michelle, sig

Can somebody who is not me reflect on the fact that Sloonei was not a wagon at this point, and only became one in the latter half of the day as a direct counter to the G-man wagon?

Sure. I suspected G Man, I also suspected you more than sig or definitely my civ self. Myself, Scotty and Vivax all started posting some suspicion of you. One of them (I think Scotty but I am not sure) voted for you. I moved to you deciding that if a G Man lynch failed, I would prefer a Sloonei lynch. So I moved my vote. You may not agree with this reasoning, but you’re acting like a man in shock, repeating the same question in various forms over and over.

I can’t answer for anyone who voted for you after me, but apparently several people think you’re shady AF.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:46 pm Can't really spot any concerted effort to save G-Man around End of Day.
Bea vote sticks out as townie, at first glance. I think for a Feb team that doesn't want to stick out too much voting together to save him, G-Man is the more logical choice. With the best choice being to vote off both wagons.
Michelle feels less opinionated than during D1. The DFaraday push could be such an attempt at placing a vote away from G-Man and also not Sloonei.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:58 pm Tokang thu ployurs frem thu lewust pesturs
Whot thu censunsis epanaen obeit Forodoy?

Has Ase as smoll, centoans o fuw ruods ond sulf muto soyang hu weild pest meru os o welf

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:50 pm I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

It's a weird interaction between these two, actually. It's really not the angle most of the game was looking at, and they seem to feel a bit too safe in this bubble where they push each other. DFara openly admits to not reading the reasons behind the wagons, but somehow finds Michelle interesting enough to read. Maybe he was just reading whoever was pushing him, but then he'd have had to read the thread?

The banger here is that Michelle didn't vote, so for DF to notice her, he'd also have had to run into posts describing reasons behind the main wagons. So this could be grounds to campaign for a DF lynch tomorrow, as it feels like he's lying here about what he read.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:08 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:46 pm Can't really spot any concerted effort to save G-Man around End of Day.
Bea vote sticks out as townie, at first glance. I think for a Feb team that doesn't want to stick out too much voting together to save him, G-Man is the more logical choice. With the best choice being to vote off both wagons.
Michelle feels less opinionated than during D1. The DFaraday push could be such an attempt at placing a vote away from G-Man and also not Sloonei.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:58 pm Tokang thu ployurs frem thu lewust pesturs
Whot thu censunsis epanaen obeit Forodoy?

Has Ase as smoll, centoans o fuw ruods ond sulf muto soyang hu weild pest meru os o welf

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:50 pm I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

It's a weird interaction between these two, actually. It's really not the angle most of the game was looking at, and they seem to feel a bit too safe in this bubble where they push each other. DFara openly admits to not reading the reasons behind the wagons, but somehow finds Michelle interesting enough to read. Maybe he was just reading whoever was pushing him, but then he'd have had to read the thread?

The banger here is that Michelle didn't vote, so for DF to notice her, he'd also have had to run into posts describing reasons behind the main wagons. So this could be grounds to campaign for a DF lynch tomorrow, as it feels like he's lying here about what he read.

Vivax, on night three you talked about DF as someone there was grounds to campaign for.

Today you described it as a bad lynch.

I’d like to hear your thoughts on your progression and where you stand on DF and Michelle on balance.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:39 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:29 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:16 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:14 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:16 pm I think this is where we are supposed to fabricate towncases on our scumreads in the hope that they catch a bullet

Why would mafia kill themselves

I think viv means let’s talk about people in our POE we think are good so that maybe mafia kills them tonite, to shore up the pool

Ag that’s an interesting strategy

Can someone explain this strategy to me a little more in depth and more clearly?

Okay so, (and I’ll say I don’t agree with it or think it’ll work anyway) but this is the scenario.

You basically hard core town clear your iffy town reads/null reads in the hopes mafia will say “player X is in the town core lets kill them” while in reality you suspected them. At least after thinking about it I’m pretty sure that’s what he means.


Now I don’t think this’ll work and I think it makes town players seem disingenuous/easier to flip flop BUT it’s really a cultural thing I’d say.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:29 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:08 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:46 pm Can't really spot any concerted effort to save G-Man around End of Day.
Bea vote sticks out as townie, at first glance. I think for a Feb team that doesn't want to stick out too much voting together to save him, G-Man is the more logical choice. With the best choice being to vote off both wagons.
Michelle feels less opinionated than during D1. The DFaraday push could be such an attempt at placing a vote away from G-Man and also not Sloonei.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:58 pm Tokang thu ployurs frem thu lewust pesturs
Whot thu censunsis epanaen obeit Forodoy?

Has Ase as smoll, centoans o fuw ruods ond sulf muto soyang hu weild pest meru os o welf

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:50 pm I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

It's a weird interaction between these two, actually. It's really not the angle most of the game was looking at, and they seem to feel a bit too safe in this bubble where they push each other. DFara openly admits to not reading the reasons behind the wagons, but somehow finds Michelle interesting enough to read. Maybe he was just reading whoever was pushing him, but then he'd have had to read the thread?

The banger here is that Michelle didn't vote, so for DF to notice her, he'd also have had to run into posts describing reasons behind the main wagons. So this could be grounds to campaign for a DF lynch tomorrow, as it feels like he's lying here about what he read.

Vivax, on night three you talked about DF as someone there was grounds to campaign for.

Today you described it as a bad lynch.

I’d like to hear your thoughts on your progression and where you stand on DF and Michelle on balance.

I'd prefer to describe it as a worse lynch than Bea at the current gamestate. I think the strategic intent was too obvious anyway for mafia to fall for it, which was to play good cop in mafia-bea world. While it's tempting to just revive my D1 read on Sloonei and Eloh with their rather blunt way of pushing for my lim, I'd believe it more likely that mafia picked the sidelines here.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:30 pm The gold one has spoken

@Sloonei @Kate @Vivax (who's temporarily off the hook) vote Quin for shits and giggles with me.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:49 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:53 pm Current vote total as of ~7 hours left in Day 3:

GMan (4): SVS, Richochet, Scotty, DrWilgy
sig (3): Vivax, Kate, Golden
SVS (2): DFaraday, sig
Kate (1): Quin
Quin (1): GMan
Vivax (1): Sloonei

Not Voting (3): bea, Elo, Michelle

Currently insanified: Michelle, sig

Can somebody who is not me reflect on the fact that Sloonei was not a wagon at this point, and only became one in the latter half of the day as a direct counter to the G-man wagon?

Sure. I suspected G Man, I also suspected you more than sig or definitely my civ self. Myself, Scotty and Vivax all started posting some suspicion of you. One of them (I think Scotty but I am not sure) voted for you. I moved to you deciding that if a G Man lynch failed, I would prefer a Sloonei lynch. So I moved my vote. You may not agree with this reasoning, but you’re acting like a man in shock, repeating the same question in various forms over and over.

I can’t answer for anyone who voted for you after me, but apparently several people think you’re shady AF.

This is interesting. What are your overal thoughts on sig.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:14 pm I’m gonna use my admin privileges to just change sig’s name to dog.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:14 pm I’m gonna use my admin privileges to just change sig’s name to dog.

Does this happen a lot?