The Syndicate

@JaggedJimmyJay I think Sonny was the 4th vote on Nutella. I believe it was myself, Alison/Nanook in some order and then I asked him to vote.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:31 pm I've ignored all of JJJ's "interactions with" posts thus far since I won't ever get caught up if I read them all. Can someone remind me to go back and look at those eventually?

I'd be surprised if more than three people read these, and I have to ask myself why I still do it.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:31 pm I've ignored all of JJJ's "interactions with" posts thus far since I won't ever get caught up if I read them all. Can someone remind me to go back and look at those eventually?

do you have a read on him?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:31 pm I've ignored all of JJJ's "interactions with" posts thus far since I won't ever get caught up if I read them all. Can someone remind me to go back and look at those eventually?

When I make big posts like that, I do so with the mindset that it’s not essential for anyone else to read all of them. They are there for reference and to show my process. I encourage people to simply scan my conclusions at the end.

I think Jay would advocate for the same.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:31 pm I've ignored all of JJJ's "interactions with" posts thus far since I won't ever get caught up if I read them all. Can someone remind me to go back and look at those eventually?

Calendars with alarms exist you know?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:32 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I think Sonny was the 4th vote on Nutella. I believe it was myself, Alison/Nanook in some order and then I asked him to vote.

Cool deal. That'd be a decent placement. Not necessarily spectacular. I don't think any other wagons had gotten much higher than 3 to that point if any (perhaps lost monkey hit 4?).

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:32 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:29 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:59 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:45 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:44 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:40 pm I'd really rather not fucking die though because of this, so yeah... if this is a reaction test or something, Alison, please rescind it within enough time.

Do you townread Alison?

I don't know. I had some hesitation on her yesterday, but my gut thinks she looks better in light of nutella's flip (need to confirm through digging or look at Jay's thing if he's going to ISO Alison), so my inclination is that she's town. Additionally, I certainly don't know why she would be doing this right now if she were scum, it doesn't make sense to me.

Why do you think Alison was poisoned?

I'm not sure. What do you think? @Guillotine

You are not sure? If there is doubt there gotta be something, what is that something, tell me.

No, I mean, I really don't know. I guess whoever poisoned her wanted her gone, like whoever (was it Mac?) said, it's probably a 3p.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:33 pm When I make big posts like that, I do so with the mindset that it’s not essential for anyone else to read all of them. They are there for reference and to show my process. I encourage people to simply scan my conclusions at the end.

I think Jay would advocate for the same.

Yes.

I include those "conclusion" portions at the end of all of my analyses so people can see where I end up even if they don't want to join me on the journey. If a conclusion is particularly interesting, then go check out the rest.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:32 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I think Sonny was the 4th vote on Nutella. I believe it was myself, Alison/Nanook in some order and then I asked him to vote.

Cool deal. That'd be a decent placement. Not necessarily spectacular. I don't think any other wagons had gotten much higher than 3 to that point if any (perhaps lost monkey hit 4?).

The thing is that I made the post because I was getting the impression he was getting antsy about her being wagoned and wanted to see his reaction. I am not entirely sure that he wasn't acutely aware of that and voted as a result though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:30 pm I feel like something was wrong in my nutella analysis, but I’m not sure what

Can someone tell me if this is in Sloon's scum-range or not

(Totally not looking for a cheap way to rule out a player so I don't WIFOM internally to death)

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:30 pm I feel like something was wrong in my nutella analysis, but I’m not sure what

Can someone tell me if this is in Sloon's scum-range or not

He is capable of typing those words in that sequence if he is mafia-aligned.

He is capable of typing those words in that sequence if he is town-aligned.

He is town.

Regarding Sonny: I don't think he looks "bad" at face value. He's been alright. I need to see more solving work today to develop my view.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:30 pm I feel like something was wrong in my nutella analysis, but I’m not sure what

Can someone tell me if this is in Sloon's scum-range or not

Why does that sentence concern you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:31 pm I've ignored all of JJJ's "interactions with" posts thus far since I won't ever get caught up if I read them all. Can someone remind me to go back and look at those eventually?

do you have a read on him?

JJJ? No, I am not brave enough to venture a read there yet. I've only seen JJJ play once and I had TMI (AIM mafia). He looks helpful. I have noted that he doesn't seem as keen on making his magical clear list as he did on AIM mafia (but also the magical clear list needs a lot more clears, and idk how much I thought it was magical last game because neither TSP or I ended up on it, and if people followed it, it would doom us).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:39 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:30 pm I feel like something was wrong in my nutella analysis, but I’m not sure what

Can someone tell me if this is in Sloon's scum-range or not

Why does that sentence concern you?

It concerns me in that

1. I don't think the thread was going to answer that for me if I didn't say it

2. I'm hopeful that I get cheap but maybe reliable reads on people, including higher-up players

I'm not in the mood for leaving myself potentially paranoid over decisions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:38 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:30 pm I feel like something was wrong in my nutella analysis, but I’m not sure what

Can someone tell me if this is in Sloon's scum-range or not

He is capable of typing those words in that sequence if he is mafia-aligned.

He is capable of typing those words in that sequence if he is town-aligned.

He is town.

Huh?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:31 pm I've ignored all of JJJ's "interactions with" posts thus far since I won't ever get caught up if I read them all. Can someone remind me to go back and look at those eventually?

Calendars with alarms exist you know?

Well then, can you set an alarm on my calendar for me?

I've got fuck all to say about nutella but I'm leaning scum on act now, her push on dana doesn't feel genuine for whatever reason

also feeling town sloonei

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:44 pm Huh?

That was a cheeky way for me to express that while such a post is within Sloonei's "scum range", that means nothing to me and he is a town read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:17 pm @Sloonei I am sorry but your reads list is hot garbage. There is no way that Sonny, Jay and Tangy can be your top towns off Nutella interactives. We must be reading entirely different games.

Feel free to tell me why. I thought her early-early interaction with Tangy looked confused. I thought the way she handled and reacted to Sonny looked like she just accepted that he was going to be town-read, and then her response to some of his prods had the look and feel of a mafier responding to a townie. Jay is just town all the time no matter what, I didn't need to read any nutella posts for that read.

I mean, I do understand why she didn't know what to do with me now, so you're right on the money there. I feel pretty silly for not picking that up, I just like... I don't know, I didn't want us to misyeet each other as town again, and I vibed with her wanting to approach things here the way she did. She definitely fucked with me, lol.

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:45 pm I've got fuck all to say about nutella but I'm leaning scum on act now, her push on dana doesn't feel genuine for whatever reason

also feeling town sloonei

Okay, buddy.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:45 pm I've got fuck all to say about nutella but I'm leaning scum on act now, her push on dana doesn't feel genuine for whatever reason

also feeling town sloonei

Okay, buddy.

did you know you've never won a game where we've been opposite alignments?

better hope you aint scum, buddy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:28 pm I'd appreciate some feedback on my previous hawk/nutella review. I do think there are moments there that can be interpreted; it's just a bit of a judgment call. I want to hear others' judgment calls.

I'll look at it now.

Interactions of nutella and Seanzie

From nutella


nutella didn't say a single thing to or about Seanzie until after her death had been finalized (she put him in a generic middling tier of the wifom reads list). Next.

~~~

From Seanzie


That's it. One thing and it's barely relevant. Seanzie agreed not to vote for the four names in Tangrowth's "don't vote" pile, one of whom was nutella. Shrug.

~~~

Conclusion

This post might as well not exist. There's nothing to say. I could consider giving this the same treatment I gave Long Con in his review -- that nutella just forgot Seanzie existed. But she didn't literally say it. Call it a dead nothing and feature Seanzie as the most default possible POE slot.

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:45 pm I've got fuck all to say about nutella but I'm leaning scum on act now, her push on dana doesn't feel genuine for whatever reason

also feeling town sloonei

Okay, buddy.

did you know you've never won a game where we've been opposite alignments?

better hope you aint scum, buddy

I played beautifully that game. I won't comment further, but that ain't my fault.

I'm not sure your warning is serious here, buddy. What does that mean?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:43 pm I am mindful of the fact that if there is even 1 mafia between Jay, Sloonei and Alison that once the two of the three that aren't that mafia and I die that person is probably just going to win, and I am very conflicted as to why the three of them are choosing to walk that path, particularly Alison, given Jay and Sloonei both acted in defense of Nutella in the most literal way and Jay in particular was present during Nutella wifom hours mopping up anti spew cred.

I think there's a good chance both of them are town and I don't believe in D2 tinfoil.

The problem is that with Jay it's not fucking tinfoil he has bad interactives with Nutella and ended up off wagon. People like you saying that it is tinfoil makes me want to tinfoil YOU.

I am not sure why this is so hard for people to grasp. Jay has not cleared himself by his own metrics and admission so the fact that he of all people is catching easy "jay is town lol" from good analytics players is insanely weird.

I do not think Jay has bad interactives as much as you. You also agreed that there were a few posts which made Jay look really good. Sloonei being super confident Jay is town allows me to confirm this read even further.

Jay, I think the most damning thing about hawk theoretically is the Made vote, but combined with the sense of *shrugs* throughout EoD that accompanied it, not by itself. Through the other quotes you pulled... I can't rule her out either, but my gut says they're not teamed.

I am literally falling asleep at my seat so good night.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:51 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:45 pm I've got fuck all to say about nutella but I'm leaning scum on act now, her push on dana doesn't feel genuine for whatever reason

also feeling town sloonei

Okay, buddy.

did you know you've never won a game where we've been opposite alignments?

better hope you aint scum, buddy

I played beautifully that game. I won't comment further, but that ain't my fault.

I'm not sure your warning is serious here, buddy. What does that mean?

Just returning your condecension right back at ya, buddy

If any kind of save attempt occurred (and I'd expect at least one out of 7 votes), then the search should be underway:

Made voters: JaggedJimmyJay, hawkataine, Sloonei, Tangrowth, Long Con, nutella, Owner of a Lonely Heart

I keep coming upon gut feelings of town for the people on this list that seem the most save-appropriate, so I may need to relax my generosity.

Alternatively or combination the mafia hotbed might just be off-wagon votes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:32 pm Right out of the gate, Tangy was uber-excited, in full Dog Pee mode.

This reference might be lost on the new Syndicate generation.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2015 11:57 am [Tangy] right now reminds me of a dog who is so excited she is just peeing all over everything.

This since became a hallmark of town Tangy. This was a long time ago, but I still feel fine overall with Tangy in this Mafia game.

Thank you for the retroactive pronoun correction!

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:51 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:45 pm I've got fuck all to say about nutella but I'm leaning scum on act now, her push on dana doesn't feel genuine for whatever reason

also feeling town sloonei

Okay, buddy.

did you know you've never won a game where we've been opposite alignments?

better hope you aint scum, buddy

I played beautifully that game. I won't comment further, but that ain't my fault.

I'm not sure your warning is serious here, buddy. What does that mean?

Just returning your condecension right back at ya, buddy

How was I being condescending, buddy?

I don't know how to explain this, but I feel like scum probably had low collective thread pull. I don't see how nutella gets yeeted otherwise. Since I started the Made wagon, I feel like that gives me a unique perspective on this. The only Made voter that could be a nutella scummate if Made is town I feel like... has to be Owner? The rest of the names don't jive with my gut either. I guess LC is possible, but I don't think that's likely.

These are all the votes that landed somewhere other than Made or nutella:

[1] Dana - voted for by Actvscenei
[1] Guillotine - voted for by Belzy
[4] Owner - voted for by Dana, Allcrab, Seanzie, bad bunny

I feel quite confident mafia reside here, probably a couple+. Act, Belzy, and bad bunny all stand out to me immediately. Every one of them demands a review.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:58 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:51 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:45 pm I've got fuck all to say about nutella but I'm leaning scum on act now, her push on dana doesn't feel genuine for whatever reason

also feeling town sloonei

Okay, buddy.

did you know you've never won a game where we've been opposite alignments?

better hope you aint scum, buddy

I played beautifully that game. I won't comment further, but that ain't my fault.

I'm not sure your warning is serious here, buddy. What does that mean?

Just returning your condecension right back at ya, buddy

How was I being condescending, buddy?

Sorry I don't feel like explaining your own posts to you.

Anyway it's irrelevant, I just have little to offer besides snark.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:59 pm These are all the votes that landed somewhere other than Made or nutella:

[1] Dana - voted for by Actvscenei
[1] Guillotine - voted for by Belzy
[4] Owner - voted for by Dana, Allcrab, Seanzie, bad bunny

I feel quite confident mafia reside here, probably a couple+. Act, Belzy, and bad bunny all stand out to me immediately. Every one of them demands a review.

I think I agree.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:44 pm I've mostly felt good about Tangy, but I just got to her interactions with me when I first entered. I asked about who to vote since I was not caught up and knew I wasn't going to have time to get caught up, and she gave me a list of four names to not vote, one of which was Nutella. I voted Owner and asked Tangy about it, and Tangy felt... awkward about that vote, but not willing to directly dissuade me from it. If Owner is scum, I think Tangy's scum equity increases.

Try searching my ISO for Owner and I think my feelings on that become more apparent, but feel free to let me know if you have questions or anything.

I wanna lynch owner cuz she's reminding me of that one game she was scum with dizzy. Her reads are whack to the point she's almost playing up her own meta, which would especially make sense on a new site, she's also very easy to defend and we saw nutella do that a few times

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:03 pm I wanna lynch owner cuz she's reminding me of that one game she was scum with dizzy. Her reads are whack to the point she's almost playing up her own meta, which would especially make sense on a new site, she's also very easy to defend and we saw nutella do that a few times

What did she do in that game that parallels here?

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm The day phase ends in 13 minutes, so this probably isn't the best time for catching up. Decisions must be made now.

I’m not trying to catch up, if that’s what you’re referring to.

You were here at the end of the day and left your vote parked alone on Dana. Why?

Fine with an act lynch too, hawk maybe but my gut says no.

Also yeeting JJJ would be funny and I want to do it purely because of that (well not only that, but it's the primary reason)

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:05 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:03 pm I wanna lynch owner cuz she's reminding me of that one game she was scum with dizzy. Her reads are whack to the point she's almost playing up her own meta, which would especially make sense on a new site, she's also very easy to defend and we saw nutella do that a few times

What did she do in that game that parallels here?

Very little. That's what's paralleling lol. She was a prime lynch candidate all game but her buddies talked us out of it over and over.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:56 pm 7 put of 9 of your POE pool are from Percy. Townread on Gavial surprises me. Do you make easier town reads on people you are familiair with?

You were here within 2.5 hours or so of the end of the day, once the nutella wagon at least had swelled and perhaps the Owner counter was starting to appear. You left your vote parked alone on Guillotine, who was clearly never getting chopped. Why?

@Actvscenei gimme a read on bunny when you get a sec

Owner is a valid suspect and needs to provide inspiration of her own to change that. It's not hard to see her being mafia even if I am not sure the interaction has to be so.

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:06 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:05 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:03 pm I wanna lynch owner cuz she's reminding me of that one game she was scum with dizzy. Her reads are whack to the point she's almost playing up her own meta, which would especially make sense on a new site, she's also very easy to defend and we saw nutella do that a few times

What did she do in that game that parallels here?

Very little. That's what's paralleling lol. She was a prime lynch candidate all game but her buddies talked us out of it over and over.

Oh I see, thanks, hehe! I would feel probably good about an Owner vote right now, based on my gut assessment. I hesitated a bit yesterday when she was talking to me but I never feel like I really got to find her through that like I would have wanted.

Re: Jay's Owner interactive though, it does make me wonder. I guess if Owner is scum with nutella, I can see why she may be okay with bussing her if she thought Owner could be the yeet instead of her? But did that ever really seem viable?

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:58 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:51 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:45 pm I've got fuck all to say about nutella but I'm leaning scum on act now, her push on dana doesn't feel genuine for whatever reason

also feeling town sloonei

Okay, buddy.

did you know you've never won a game where we've been opposite alignments?

better hope you aint scum, buddy

I played beautifully that game. I won't comment further, but that ain't my fault.

I'm not sure your warning is serious here, buddy. What does that mean?

Just returning your condecension right back at ya, buddy

How was I being condescending, buddy?

Sorry I don't feel like explaining your own posts to you.

Anyway it's irrelevant, I just have little to offer besides snark.

I kind of want to put this in the "out of topic" color, but it is slightly on topic, so I won't. If you read me calling you buddy as condescending, I'm sorry. I'm not doing it because I think little of you in any way, shape or form, but instead because I know you can successfully buddy me, and have in the past, and so if you are doing that, I am trying to make it clear I am looking for it here, to dissuade you if you are scum doing it, and to hopefully townread you based on how you react when being specifically scrutinized about it if you are town. I don't mean it to be condescending, so sorry if it comes off that way.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:09 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:06 pm Guillo you agree with actv re: dana? I had the opposite reaction, I thought dana's tone was more villagery and actv's game me awk vibes

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:18 pm hello everyone! I'm so nervous but also very excited to make lots of new friends!!

[QUESTION MARKS BEAR GUY IMAGE]

why would a wolf say that lol

I think this is TMI on both Dana and Guillotine. The "lol" accentuates that, like the read being made is just too silly to exist, wow what a silly townie you are, good one doofus.

I absolutely agree.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:09 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:06 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:05 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:03 pm I wanna lynch owner cuz she's reminding me of that one game she was scum with dizzy. Her reads are whack to the point she's almost playing up her own meta, which would especially make sense on a new site, she's also very easy to defend and we saw nutella do that a few times

What did she do in that game that parallels here?

Very little. That's what's paralleling lol. She was a prime lynch candidate all game but her buddies talked us out of it over and over.

Oh I see, thanks, hehe! I would feel probably good about an Owner vote right now, based on my gut assessment. I hesitated a bit yesterday when she was talking to me but I never feel like I really got to find her through that like I would have wanted.

Re: Jay's Owner interactive though, it does make me wonder. I guess if Owner is scum with nutella, I can see why she may be okay with bussing her if she thought Owner could be the yeet instead of her? But did that ever really seem viable?

Not gonna lie I haven't read a single one of those posts, you'd have to tell me if nutella is the bussing type.

I mean she can't be anti-spewing and trying to bus a teammate at the same time. Though personally I think WIFOMing over whether she was posting spew or anti-spew is a waste of time.