The Syndicate

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:20 pm Last wolf is in this PoE:
Vivax, Sloonei, DF

Which one is it tho?

If it is DF and he’s sending in kills but not posting, dealing with that at lylo is unappealing.

It's 7 v 1, I doubt we'll see lylo

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:20 pm Last wolf is in this PoE:
Vivax, Sloonei, DF

Which one is it tho?

If it is DF and he’s sending in kills but not posting, dealing with that at lylo is unappealing.

It could also be

1. Randomized kills
2. Other teammates sending in kills
3. Michelle was asked/allowed to out in nigjt actions


I’d say we can’t look too deeply into the kill in terms of being alive it was clear Scotty was going to be the kill imo

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:41 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:20 pm Last wolf is in this PoE:
Vivax, Sloonei, DF

Which one is it tho?

If it is DF and he’s sending in kills but not posting, dealing with that at lylo is unappealing.

It's 7 v 1, I doubt we'll see lylo

If DF is bad and we don’t deal with him until lylo then we will see lylo.

It’s only a problem if he isn’t bad.

But based on my comparative reads yesterday, I think he’s quite compatible with mafia.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:42 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:20 pm Last wolf is in this PoE:
Vivax, Sloonei, DF

Which one is it tho?

If it is DF and he’s sending in kills but not posting, dealing with that at lylo is unappealing.

It could also be

1. Randomized kills
2. Other teammates sending in kills
3. Michelle was asked/allowed to out in nigjt actions


I’d say we can’t look too deeply into the kill in terms of being alive it was clear Scotty was going to be the kill imo

How do the hosts normally deal with this stuff in the current era?

Eloh and Wilgy are solidly town for me.
Golden is heavy town I still don’t get why he ever thought sloonie was masons. I was under the impression sloonie was the vote switcher if he was a civ lol

Sloonie/vivax exist in the potential mafia camp, but like murky more tin foil world.

I don’t know if I think mafia sloonie would’ve taken a step back when he did vs a town sloonie who saw the game going well.

Vivax is uninspiring as a whole BUT a mafia vivax wouldn’t have pushed the vote to tie it into Dead Red vs Quin. + I still liked NAA d1

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:44 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:42 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:20 pm Last wolf is in this PoE:
Vivax, Sloonei, DF

Which one is it tho?

If it is DF and he’s sending in kills but not posting, dealing with that at lylo is unappealing.

It could also be

1. Randomized kills
2. Other teammates sending in kills
3. Michelle was asked/allowed to out in nigjt actions


I’d say we can’t look too deeply into the kill in terms of being alive it was clear Scotty was going to be the kill imo

How do the hosts normally deal with this stuff in the current era?

I haven’t played since GoC so a bit Rusty but I want to say they do remove mafia members from the BTSC and would randomize kills. Though it’s just as likely DF jumped on last second

My only two issue with a DF vote are

1. He’s been gone since Phase 4 and I know historically he’s not super active but having no activity is a weird look

2. His day 1 lacking if voting now given his level of participation that’s a bit less of a silver bullet reason now than before but it’s still there. I’ll add on this theory isn’t as good with Michelle flip either

Big pluses for it

1. Gmans interaction. Discussed by Scotty

2. Scotty’s general read on him

3. The lack of mafia movement/power this game. Given our current state in the game it doesn’t seem like they’ve really controlled any votes or been super motivated (no offense mafia) I think this could point to a less active team with lower moral.

@Sloonei i see you whatcha thinking? Should we lynch you or df first

Also @Elohcin early call out of Michelle further makes her look cleared to me. If she’s deep wolfing than damn I’m forever voting off or killing Eloh on day 1

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:52 pm Elo is town, sloonei is town, viv is town. Clearing aside, they are ones i trust.

This elim is THE LEAST nervous I’ve felt in a while in this game, and frankly i’m exhausted lol so i’m all here for it

This does push me away from Sloonie/Vix given Scotty’s role I’ll probably ISO through and see if there are any hints about who may be his partner.

His main three were DF, Wilgy (only/mainly if Michelle was good) and golden (tinfoil)

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:50 pm @Sloonei i see you whatcha thinking? Should we lynch you or df first

Do what you will.

I am doubtful that I can make significant contributions this phase. Maybe tomorrow evening will be free, but we shall see. My schedule settles down a bit after the weekend, so if the game is still happening and I am still here, I can finally do that thing where I slam dunk my final resolution hours after everybody else has solved the game without me.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:55 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:52 pm Elo is town, sloonei is town, viv is town. Clearing aside, they are ones i trust.

This elim is THE LEAST nervous I’ve felt in a while in this game, and frankly i’m exhausted lol so i’m all here for it

This does push me away from Sloonie/Vix given Scotty’s role I’ll probably ISO through and see if there are any hints about who may be his partner.

His main three were DF, Wilgy (only/mainly if Michelle was good) and golden (tinfoil)

Reminder that Scotty spent significant stretches of his game tinfoiling me.

Gamestates like this really make me wish we had a hammer.

[VOTE: DF] aubergine

Votes are locked still apparently.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:08 pm Pour one out for Scotty.

Friend's birthday today, but I'm definitely going to be pouring one out for Scotty, as should anyone else. Unconditional generousity and kindness is a rarity that's worth being treasured

I really wish I knew how hard to hark the Vivax town core. If we are true to Scotty, DF and Sloonei should be our only choices.

To be quite frank, whoever submitted that kill sold their soul to the ignominable

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:40 am I really wish I knew how hard to hark the Vivax town core. If we are true to Scotty, DF and Sloonei should be our only choices.

Wilgy, you’ve followed sloonei’s votes a lot this game, that is to say you’ve been voting in the same place as him often rather than that you’re sheeping him.

I’d like to know whether that’s coincidence or something else (trust, tactic… whatever it might be).

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:40 am I really wish I knew how hard to hark the Vivax town core. If we are true to Scotty, DF and Sloonei should be our only choices.

Wilgy, you’ve followed sloonei’s votes a lot this game, that is to say you’ve been voting in the same place as him often rather than that you’re sheeping him.

I’d like to know whether that’s coincidence or something else (trust, tactic… whatever it might be).

Didn't even realize it was happening boss.

Re Sloonei, I have liked quite a handful of their takes if memory serves. Could just be mindmelding?

If Sloonei is last wolf, they've been playing about as safe as possible. If that's the case, it makes sense as to it yielding quite abit of data.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:25 am

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:31 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:40 am I really wish I knew how hard to hark the Vivax town core. If we are true to Scotty, DF and Sloonei should be our only choices.

Wilgy, you’ve followed sloonei’s votes a lot this game, that is to say you’ve been voting in the same place as him often rather than that you’re sheeping him.

I’d like to know whether that’s coincidence or something else (trust, tactic… whatever it might be).

Didn't even realize it was happening boss.

I was so convinced I was watching mason indicating.

So I know sloonie is busy and all but the fact he just popped in to say he was busy but gave no reads is something I really dislike

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:27 am If Sloonei is last wolf, they've been playing about as safe as possible. If that's the case, it makes sense as to it yielding quite abit of data.

I could see this style especially if teammates aren’t active.

DF would be my choice for today. This rationale from before the Michelle flip should support that.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:46 pm Can't really spot any concerted effort to save G-Man around End of Day.
Bea vote sticks out as townie, at first glance. I think for a Feb team that doesn't want to stick out too much voting together to save him, G-Man is the more logical choice. With the best choice being to vote off both wagons.
Michelle feels less opinionated than during D1. The DFaraday push could be such an attempt at placing a vote away from G-Man and also not Sloonei.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:58 pm Tokang thu ployurs frem thu lewust pesturs
Whot thu censunsis epanaen obeit Forodoy?

Has Ase as smoll, centoans o fuw ruods ond sulf muto soyang hu weild pest meru os o welf

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:50 pm I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

It's a weird interaction between these two, actually. It's really not the angle most of the game was looking at, and they seem to feel a bit too safe in this bubble where they push each other. DFara openly admits to not reading the reasons behind the wagons, but somehow finds Michelle interesting enough to read. Maybe he was just reading whoever was pushing him, but then he'd have had to read the thread?

The banger here is that Michelle didn't vote, so for DF to notice her, he'd also have had to run into posts describing reasons behind the main wagons. So this could be grounds to campaign for a DF lynch tomorrow, as it feels like he's lying here about what he read.

I see Wilgy already voted and doesn't mind the occasional tinfoiling on him

DF is definitely the most straightforward answer.

If he isn’t mafia though then things get a bit more tricky

The biggest play against Wilgy is he threw the vote away from Michelle (dead red) onto Quin. But, I think Quin could’ve weathered another day better than Michelle so that doesn’t make any sense.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:41 am DF is definitely the most straightforward answer.

If he isn’t mafia though then things get a bit more tricky

The biggest play against Wilgy is he threw the vote away from Michelle (dead red) onto Quin. But, I think Quin could’ve weathered another day better than Michelle so that doesn’t make any sense.

Agree, the EoD and switch was NAI at most. The simplest explanation is that we're both town for playing around with our votes in a SvS wagon situation. An extra night of alive dead red is hardly going to cause a magical turnaround for them.
Totally not suggesting I'm reading into my own alignment

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:35 am So I know sloonie is busy and all but the fact he just popped in to say he was busy but gave no reads is something I really dislike

What reads am I supposed to have when I have not read the thread?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:14 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:35 am So I know sloonie is busy and all but the fact he just popped in to say he was busy but gave no reads is something I really dislike

What reads am I supposed to have when I have not read the thread?

I mean you see who flipped and had views prior to going more inactive?

Plus it’s not like the thread has been super active the last few Phases anyway.

I’m just saying you’re playing more like an inactive/disengaged mafia member then a civ atm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:14 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:35 am So I know sloonie is busy and all but the fact he just popped in to say he was busy but gave no reads is something I really dislike

What reads am I supposed to have when I have not read the thread?

I mean you see who flipped and had views prior to going more inactive?

Plus it’s not like the thread has been super active the last few Phases anyway.

I’m just saying you’re playing more like an inactive/disengaged mafia member then a civ atm

My reads are unchanged from what they were around Day 3.

I am disengaged. I am not mafia.

I think DF is a good vote for today, the only most likely to be mafia imo. But, have we cleared wilgy? I still think the last mafia is a low poster.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:35 pm I think DF is a good vote for today, the only most likely to be mafia imo. But, have we cleared wilgy? I still think the last mafia is a low poster.

I’d put him in my towncore for his votes. Unless he’s heavily wagoning on his teammates he’s a civ.

I’d say if we get to F3 and keep missing it might be a relook But until then I’m trusting him.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:10 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:35 pm I think DF is a good vote for today, the only most likely to be mafia imo. But, have we cleared wilgy? I still think the last mafia is a low poster.

I’d put him in my towncore for his votes. Unless he’s heavily wagoning on his teammates he’s a civ.

I’d say if we get to F3 and keep missing it might be a relook But until then I’m trusting him.

thanks for this.

Legacy wise it’s a bit messy as Kate sussed Sloonei and SVS Wilgy, but am optimistic that it’s over with DF.
The whole deer family offtopic seemed weird/cryptic but feh (aren’t they rather solitary too?)

I think it's DF. I did comparative analysis yesterday and it fits.

I want to be motivated to revisit everyone, but my 6 year old has a tummy bug and spending two hours of my afternoon doing this only to find the game is over anyway just doesn't appeal. One of those ways in which my relationship with mafia has necessarily changed from what it used to be.

So I'm just gonna get the vote I know I'll end up making anyway out of the way now.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

DJ's in town tonight. Might check in on phone around EoD.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

Interesting that when you search for the word 'coward', some of G-Mans posts show up as mine. Was curious about how Golden got to that nickname.

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:02 pm Interesting that when you search for the word 'coward', some of G-Mans posts show up as mine. Was curious about how Golden got to that nickname.

In a game where I was mafia in I think the night before lylo, G-Man did a gambit where he dared the killer to kill him (knowing that if he was alive, he’d get lynched), and said if the killer didn’t kill him, he’d call that person ‘coward’ for the rest of time.

It’s Economics mafia if you want to go find it. Probably my best ever performance as any faction.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:27 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:02 pm Interesting that when you search for the word 'coward', some of G-Mans posts show up as mine. Was curious about how Golden got to that nickname.

In a game where I was mafia in I think the night before lylo, G-Man did a gambit where he dared the killer to kill him (knowing that if he was alive, he’d get lynched), and said if the killer didn’t kill him, he’d call that person ‘coward’ for the rest of time.

It’s Economics mafia if you want to go find it. Probably my best ever performance as any faction.

Ballsy play from G-Man there. And you took the trade, which is fair.
I think that House Frey of the twins are cowards. Hospitality is sacred in most cultures.
Martin sure knows how to upset his readers.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:27 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:02 pm Interesting that when you search for the word 'coward', some of G-Mans posts show up as mine. Was curious about how Golden got to that nickname.

In a game where I was mafia in I think the night before lylo, G-Man did a gambit where he dared the killer to kill him (knowing that if he was alive, he’d get lynched), and said if the killer didn’t kill him, he’d call that person ‘coward’ for the rest of time.

It’s Economics mafia if you want to go find it. Probably my best ever performance as any faction.

Also my first game on the Syndicate.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:05 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:27 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:02 pm Interesting that when you search for the word 'coward', some of G-Mans posts show up as mine. Was curious about how Golden got to that nickname.

In a game where I was mafia in I think the night before lylo, G-Man did a gambit where he dared the killer to kill him (knowing that if he was alive, he’d get lynched), and said if the killer didn’t kill him, he’d call that person ‘coward’ for the rest of time.

It’s Economics mafia if you want to go find it. Probably my best ever performance as any faction.

Also my first game on the Syndicate.

I think it might have been Jays first too.

Vivax, reminding me of one epic moment in my mafia history, has made me feel like this is the moment to reminisce… I don’t know how much more mafia I have in me, and I feel like this might be the last game I play with many of my long time friends. So please indulge me a little.

@bea we talk often anyway, but I’m so glad we at least got to play again. I’m still expecting that co-host one day.

@Kate i did not believe I’d ever play mafia with you again and it makes me so happy that this happened! And this game made me remember why I missed you being around.

@S~V~S I’m so glad you subbed in. We’ve had plenty of tunnelly fights in mafia over the years but I wouldn’t have it any other way - I love your perceptive guy play and you are formidable as any affiliation. One of my great regrets is not trusting you more in Survivor, I think we would have gone to the end together if I had.

@LoRab youre a constant reminder to me of the Lost bond that brought so many of us together. Lostpedia may be the role in this game, but STV was just as equally a community built on the back of Lost, and I always feel a kindred spirit.

@G-Man i know I’ve mentioned this before, but you were somewhat of a legendary figure to me *before* my mafia career, given I’d seen you around on STV for so long. I love how fate intertwined our mafia identities to some extent through that one Econ gambit.

@DFaraday I’m not sure whether you were in my first game but, I at least remember coming across you early. We had so many’tone-setters’ in those days… mafia was remarkably kind… and you are one of them.

Speaking of kindness, Heiots might be number one. She retired from her mafia career without ever being lynched (or NKed maybe?) I remember asking her to sub in to a confirmed baddie role for me, as one of my teammates had to pull out and we needed her vote… but I had to promise her we had the win on lock and she wouldn’t die! I think that was superman mafia.

And I miss Sophie. And blindfaeth. And manu. And the dutchies. And Cfan and matahari and long con and black rock and flyin high and dom and more besides. These were good times.

Econ was one of my favourite games. Not only was it a fun performance, it was a bridge between classic old school mafia and new school. Role madness, with Jay teaching me how civilians could take solving to a new level.

I’ll never forget King Arthur. I wish we still had Rev Mafia to go back to. If Econ was my best performance, perhaps King Arthur was my worst, but it certainly set my early civ meta apart. Asking everyone to lynch me when I was literally King Arthur because I thought it could lead to mechanically guaranteeing baddie lynches the next day or two due to the Excalibur mechanic, only to discover the baddies had stolen my sword, if I recall correctly. Lol.

And there were others. My arrival as a civ in Superheroes, where we all played in socks and no one knew who I was yet. I remember there was a guessing contest for who was in each sock and the responses to who was in mine were very flattering… it cemented trust in me as civ for a long time.

Futurama as Fry. Biblical mafia, bullets over broadway, mooby… so many games with good memories. Some that I don’t even remember what game it was, just a thing that happened. I feel like ‘alive to win’ game conditions seared a lot of those early games in the brain, because you really wanted to solve but remain lynchable. I just couldn’t get the hang of remaining lynchable to begin with, I provided win equity to the civs in so many games I didn’t win.

And lastly, BSG, my hosting magnum opus. I never forget people who turn up for my games and I appreciate it, and people really did TURN UP for that one.

You know, after I played grease mafia 12??? 13??? 14??? years ago I was so inspired I immediately drafted Indiana Jones mafia. I still haven’t hosted it yet. Maybe one day!

Long live this third mafia career (no, short live it most probably… but at the very least I’m glad to be back here and feel happy to participate again and I don’t intend to completely vanish… I have hosting to do.)

Lastly @Spacedaisy my brain twin, thanks for inviting me back!

None of you have to read my self-indulgent claptrap

Btw I do very much appreciate all my friends from round two too… scotty, llama, Sloonei, marmot, Jay etc… but that’s not what this game feels like it’s about.

And I appreciate meeting new faces too! Come play more with me.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:01 pm None of you have to read my self-indulgent claptrap

I printed it out and hung it in the livingroom

No if we win you gotta come back for GoC this year @Golden it’s mandatory

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:51 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:01 pm None of you have to read my self-indulgent claptrap

I printed it out and hung it in the livingroom

Now this one I can tell is a joke!