The Syndicate

Players ISOs
1. Akemi Hazelnut (Alison & nutella) probably town
5. Julinook (juliets & NANOOK) looks good and I'm fine with our interactions but I don't really have a reason to strongly town read them
6. Mana (Made & Dana) everything I've read is just telling me vote them out, nobody likes the slot and I've seen no reason to change my mind but they're just kinda still here
7. Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall) I've barely read so the only post I remember from this slot is the one saying "maybe alison is making nutella a better wolf" which I feel like is a towny thought. I think mac's energy earlier where he wanted to tell other people to shut up because he's played the most all stars is good. I don't know why they're shielding us? And Mac seemingly having lower presence than I'd expect is kinda meh, but I think they're town and they should be an easy read if i iso them
10. TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool) literally remember nothing from them at all, fine with voting
11. Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak) I think they're town but the medium reason is shitty.
12. trans rights (vanity & Mistyx) stop trying to kill townies and maybe I'll consider why I town read you day 1 (I kinda forgot)

Although I'm moving past that solve anyway since BT keeps saying it's nonsense and bullshit to assume Alison would have carried the kill and Mana keeps saying yeah it clears them, Alison loves carrying NKs.

Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:30 pm A strongman seems weird but

Maybe, if we're all town?

More likely one of you is mafia I think

There’s Def a scum between You/TR/Poop.
Due to Poop’s recent content, I’m leaning there.

-Toopy

it says player ISOs at the top-i didn't actually iso anyone, katze sent me that earlier cause I said I don't even remember the player list Lmao

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:14 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:10 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:09 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:06 pm i just realized i'm in a rut because i don't really think bottom text/mana is w/w

I haven't seen anything that clears that team but if I'm wrong on one of them it's probably just TSPIC.

i mean what's the point of w!bottom text burying their partner for their watcher claim showing up as no result, and then continuing to push on their partner after a dichotomy of falconknows/mana was formed, on top of townreading falconknows

that seems like playing against your wincon, especially if two and through were indeed a wolf

Both BT and Mana took heavy heat yesterday. Scum teams distance under pressure. In fact if BT/Mana is the team they were both hard POE'd and essentially cannot win the game by just powerwolfing and killing villas because they don't have enough misexes. Someone has to go deep.

i guess so. i was wondering if it was bottom text just showcasing tmi but they weren't in that bad of a position yesterday where that sort of distancing is necessary.

okay esooa is telling me she thinks nutella is a villager

i currently hate everything.

but i'm continuing this, because alison is provably bullshitting

i did NOT open this day trying to kill your slot. i opened this day and saw nutella posting egregiously bad posts.

absolutely terrible. up until this point i was laying out the cop claim thing just to gauge reactions, but the more i saw her post the more evident it became to me that she was going to be the likely end victim of that.

read nutellas opening posts. it's just shading poop for TERRIBLE reasons. absolutely BAFFLING. "why are the lovers dead if theres a BG" is a terrible push

lets expand it

lets say poop tries to save the lovers

this requires poop to townread H&V enough to go through with it, which is a stretch

this requires poop to correctly bodyguard the right one, which is 50/50 wifom

and this requires poop to not be blocked/disrupted, presumably by a wolf

like

hello?

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:13 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:13 pm why is seth's hydra voting sleep

~mawile

Oh no I voted sleep as like a placeholder spot so Binoo could vote an actual vote.

-Toopy

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:13 pm (Also, I see our vote's on sleep and wholeheartedly agree :P

- Binoo)

incredible

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:15 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:30 pm A strongman seems weird but

Maybe, if we're all town?

More likely one of you is mafia I think

There’s Def a scum between You/TR/Poop.
Due to Poop’s recent content, I’m leaning there.

-Toopy

Poop opened SOD by shutting down a bunch of bullshit arguments when he could have easily rode them and laughed if he was wolf. In fact he is vastly more likely to do that if he is wolf because he enjoys watching towns self destruct.

honestly why don't we just kill mana today and not think about it that much? if julinooks/poop explosions/akemi/toopy and binoo are all town then they just have to be a wolf, no?

the only thing i can see is that we're getting snowed by like poop explosions/akemi w/w, which... might be possible based on the nightkill.

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:13 pm i wonder if mac will actually ever be able to read me correctly.

Why do i hate this post aaaa

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:18 pm

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:15 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:30 pm A strongman seems weird but

Maybe, if we're all town?

More likely one of you is mafia I think

There’s Def a scum between You/TR/Poop.
Due to Poop’s recent content, I’m leaning there.

-Toopy

Poop opened SOD by shutting down a bunch of bullshit arguments when he could have easily rode them and laughed if he was wolf. In fact he is vastly more likely to do that if he is wolf because he enjoys watching towns self destruct.

^

I fucking hate the way you have to manage tabs/windows if you're hydraing, it's so annoying and makes me screw up every time.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:18 pm

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:15 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:30 pm A strongman seems weird but

Maybe, if we're all town?

More likely one of you is mafia I think

There’s Def a scum between You/TR/Poop.
Due to Poop’s recent content, I’m leaning there.

-Toopy

Poop opened SOD by shutting down a bunch of bullshit arguments when he could have easily rode them and laughed if he was wolf. In fact he is vastly more likely to do that if he is wolf because he enjoys watching towns self destruct.

As a wolf I play like town for town credit.
Thus I’d do Townie things
Thus any other wolf would.
Nice try. Your point is invalid and hereby irrelevant.

-Toopy

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:18 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:13 pm i wonder if mac will actually ever be able to read me correctly.

Why do i hate this post aaaa

i'll continue bringing up that mac historically has an awful read on me until he eventually can read me accurately.

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:17 pm shading poop

I

What

if esooa tells me to sheep her read on nutella im dropping everything on that slot but until then im still calling it just a wolf and don't really care about the pushback

That wasnt a push lmfao what

Yes I hadn't thought it through and was wondering why he didnt protect them so wht

alright nutella is an obvious villager this was easy

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:13 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:13 pm why is seth's hydra voting sleep

~mawile

Oh no I voted sleep as like a placeholder spot so Binoo could vote an actual vote.

-Toopy

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:13 pm (Also, I see our vote's on sleep and wholeheartedly agree :P

- Binoo)

Are you pretending to be your partner

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:17 pm okay esooa is telling me she thinks nutella is a villager

i currently hate everything.

but i'm continuing this, because alison is provably bullshitting

i did NOT open this day trying to kill your slot. i opened this day and saw nutella posting egregiously bad posts.

absolutely terrible. up until this point i was laying out the cop claim thing just to gauge reactions, but the more i saw her post the more evident it became to me that she was going to be the likely end victim of that.

read nutellas opening posts. it's just shading poop for TERRIBLE reasons. absolutely BAFFLING. "why are the lovers dead if theres a BG" is a terrible push

lets expand it

lets say poop tries to save the lovers

this requires poop to townread H&V enough to go through with it, which is a stretch

this requires poop to correctly bodyguard the right one, which is 50/50 wifom

and this requires poop to not be blocked/disrupted, presumably by a wolf

like

hello?

afaik akemi weren't the only ones to bring this up so harping on them for this specifically is extremely silly.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:18 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:18 pm

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:15 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:30 pm A strongman seems weird but

Maybe, if we're all town?

More likely one of you is mafia I think

There’s Def a scum between You/TR/Poop.
Due to Poop’s recent content, I’m leaning there.

-Toopy

Poop opened SOD by shutting down a bunch of bullshit arguments when he could have easily rode them and laughed if he was wolf. In fact he is vastly more likely to do that if he is wolf because he enjoys watching towns self destruct.

^

I fucking hate the way you have to manage tabs/windows if you're hydraing, it's so annoying and makes me screw up every time.

There arent any other games rn are there? just only have the one logged in??

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:17 pm okay esooa is telling me she thinks nutella is a villager

i currently hate everything.

but i'm continuing this, because alison is provably bullshitting

i did NOT open this day trying to kill your slot. i opened this day and saw nutella posting egregiously bad posts.

absolutely terrible. up until this point i was laying out the cop claim thing just to gauge reactions, but the more i saw her post the more evident it became to me that she was going to be the likely end victim of that.

read nutellas opening posts. it's just shading poop for TERRIBLE reasons. absolutely BAFFLING. "why are the lovers dead if theres a BG" is a terrible push

lets expand it

lets say poop tries to save the lovers

this requires poop to townread H&V enough to go through with it, which is a stretch

this requires poop to correctly bodyguard the right one, which is 50/50 wifom

and this requires poop to not be blocked/disrupted, presumably by a wolf

like

hello?

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it is just Tony/Julinook/TR and Me, You, Poop and Akemi are just tossing bricks at each other screaming “THIS IS FUN!”

Like honestly, whoever is town please evaluate everything.
Then do it again.
Then scratch your nose and do it one more time.

-Toopy

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:17 pm okay esooa is telling me she thinks nutella is a villager

i currently hate everything.

but i'm continuing this, because alison is provably bullshitting

i did NOT open this day trying to kill your slot. i opened this day and saw nutella posting egregiously bad posts.

absolutely terrible. up until this point i was laying out the cop claim thing just to gauge reactions, but the more i saw her post the more evident it became to me that she was going to be the likely end victim of that.

read nutellas opening posts. it's just shading poop for TERRIBLE reasons. absolutely BAFFLING. "why are the lovers dead if theres a BG" is a terrible push

lets expand it

lets say poop tries to save the lovers

this requires poop to townread H&V enough to go through with it, which is a stretch

this requires poop to correctly bodyguard the right one, which is 50/50 wifom

and this requires poop to not be blocked/disrupted, presumably by a wolf

like

hello?

That is literally the kind of post nutella makes every single game. In fact it is literally the kind of post that people in general make in games, you ask where the protective went and why, and try to figure out Mac. It is disingenuous to pretend that nutella was trying to shade Poop when both of us have been strongly townreading Poop all game and her followup posts indicate that she was not interest in pushing Poop at all.

Ive done it already.
Now it’s someone else’s turn!

-Toopt

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:13 pm @Toopy and Binoo You have your claims confused, Mana is claiming one-shot watcher not one-shot tracker. What makes you believe their claim?

Oh, my B. And I believe their claim, unless the JK claim is faked & Mana coordinated w/ them (which I don't think is the case, unless someone in town has claimed another protective role). Balance-wise, a one-shot JK makes a lot of sense for town, and a watcher doesn't make sense for mafia in a game full of one-shots lol. Only use of a watcher in this game imo is verifying others' claims, or finding scum if you can figure out who's getting shot.

I guess a quick question before I go on (as my suspicion or acceptance of Mana's claim is highly dependent upon game balance): is there a consolidated list of claims we've made yet? I've gotten a bit mixed up w/ how decentralized they all are. If not, I can try to look through & draw one up.

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:20 pm if esooa tells me to sheep her read on nutella im dropping everything on that slot but until then im still calling it just a wolf and don't really care about the pushback

towny posts recently katze, I think we can fool them

try to figure out Mac -> try to figure out mech*, but it fits anyway

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:24 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:13 pm @Toopy and Binoo You have your claims confused, Mana is claiming one-shot watcher not one-shot tracker. What makes you believe their claim?

Oh, my B. And I believe their claim, unless the JK claim is faked & Mana coordinated w/ them (which I don't think is the case, unless someone in town has claimed another protective role). Balance-wise, a one-shot JK makes a lot of sense for town, and a watcher doesn't make sense for mafia in a game full of one-shots lol. Only use of a watcher in this game imo is verifying others' claims, or finding scum if you can figure out who's getting shot.

I guess a quick question before I go on (as my suspicion or acceptance of Mana's claim is highly dependent upon game balance): is there a consolidated list of claims we've made yet? I've gotten a bit mixed up w/ how decentralized they all are. If not, I can try to look through & draw one up.

Why can't Mana be a random wolf role w/ feedback that got roleblocked by town Nanook?

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:19 pm As a wolf I play like town for town credit.
Thus I’d do Townie things
Thus any other wolf would.
Nice try. Your point is invalid and hereby irrelevant.

-Toopy

"Wolves do townie things so you shouldn't townread people for being townie" is a terrible argument but I suspect our playstyles are so sufficiently different that neither of us will ever convince the other on this point.

okay can we go back to killing the person i spent all of d2 calling an outted wolf

akemi - x1 tracker, tracked mana n1, no result
bottom text - x1 bus driver, redirected actions from akemi onto mana
julinooks - x? jailer, used their ability on akemi, causing akemi/mana's actions to fail
mana - x1 watcher, watched akemi n1, no result
poop explosions - x2 bg, holstered n1, protected akemi n2
tspic - unclaimed
toopy & binoo - x1 medium, used on two and through n1
trans rights - x1 commuter, holstered n1 and n2

these should be the claims, correct me if wrong

I don't believe this sudden change of heart from BT right around the time it's clear nobody is buying her push on me btw.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:28 pm I don't believe this sudden change of heart from BT right around the time it's clear nobody is buying her push on me btw.

the reads are literally from two different people so there's that

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:28 pm I don't believe this sudden change of heart from BT right around the time it's clear nobody is buying her push on me btw.

you buy mine tho right?

[VOTE: Bottom Text] aubergine

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:27 pm akemi - x1 tracker, tracked mana n1, no result
bottom text - x1 bus driver, redirected actions from akemi onto mana
julinooks - x? jailer, used their ability on akemi, causing akemi/mana's actions to fail
mana - x1 watcher, watched akemi n1, no result
poop explosions - x2 bg, holstered n1, protected akemi n2
tspic - unclaimed
toopy & binoo - x1 medium, used on two and through n1
trans rights - x1 commuter, holstered n1 and n2

these should be the claims, correct me if wrong

This seems correct to me.

bottom text's action probably failed as well actually, no?

Claiming to be a busdriver is kinda now that i think about it. You get a lot of info out of doing so

Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm Claiming to be a busdriver is kinda now that i think about it. You get a lot of info out of doing so

kinda... what?

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm Claiming to be a busdriver is kinda now that i think about it. You get a lot of info out of doing so

kinda... what?

kinda scummy*

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:28 pm I don't believe this sudden change of heart from BT right around the time it's clear nobody is buying her push on me btw.

paraphrased transcript:

"i will drop everything and just sheep your read if you feel strongly about it"
"do it bitch"

also we're not a bus driver unless you count us pushing mana

it's one way, it's specifically a deflector but thats cringe

Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:33 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm Claiming to be a busdriver is kinda now that i think about it. You get a lot of info out of doing so

kinda... what?

kinda scummy*

every single mechanical post you've made this game is just flat out wolfy

its crazy

but mechanics got haru killed or something so gz

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

is Dana even posting btw? She was extremely obvious town in aim mafia. Where'd she go?

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:57 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:56 pm interesting... so you don't know what the action was that got redirected to us?

any actions targetting X targeted you instead

When i said busdriver, i meant this role.

Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:33 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm Claiming to be a busdriver is kinda now that i think about it. You get a lot of info out of doing so

kinda... what?

kinda scummy*

huh? they claimed this yesterday.

i'm not really understanding the point behind why claiming that role is wolfy

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:37 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:33 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm Claiming to be a busdriver is kinda now that i think about it. You get a lot of info out of doing so

kinda... what?

kinda scummy*

huh? they claimed this yesterday.

I mean't role target changer, which in my head is the same as busdriver

I don't like the cut of mades jib