The Syndicate

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:39 pm Until @Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca respectively respond to my inquiry, let's play a little game...

If DDL and Falcon are masons together, and you believe that Wilgy's death is in some way a confirmation of my town status, then the other four players in the game all have their POE of three to push forward with if you are town as well:

Town @Lime Coke POE of 3:
-Nanook
-sprityo
-Tony


Town @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-sprityo
-Tony


Town @sprityo POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-Nanook
-Tony


Town @TonyStarkPrime POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-Nanook
-sprityo


Given those respective POE's, I'd like each of the four of you to put your POE of 3 into a preferred chop order.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:05 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:39 pm Until @Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca respectively respond to my inquiry, let's play a little game...

If DDL and Falcon are masons together, and you believe that Wilgy's death is in some way a confirmation of my town status, then the other four players in the game all have their POE of three to push forward with if you are town as well:

Town @Lime Coke POE of 3:
-Nanook
-sprityo
-Tony


Town @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-sprityo
-Tony


Town @sprityo POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-Nanook
-Tony


Town @TonyStarkPrime POE of 3:
-Lime Coke
-Nanook
-sprityo


Given those respective POE's, I'd like each of the four of you to put your POE of 3 into a preferred chop order.

i don't accept the "if" statement and that's technically wolfy but I also just flat don't accept it

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:11 pm and also that I'm not 100 percent on trusting the mason claim but whatever I'm basically 100 percent on it

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

Sure.

I was told I was backup mason. After NAA died, I was put into a BTSC w/ DDL, the same one NAA had before they died. He talked to himself a little, and then DDL & I joined and have been chatting since

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

Sure.

I was told I was backup mason. After NAA died, I was put into a BTSC w/ DDL, the same one NAA had before they died. He talked to himself a little, and then DDL & I joined and have been chatting since

Under this premise, you are also suggesting that NAA did not have a BTSC partner in his mason chat prior to death?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:15 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:11 pm and also that I'm not 100 percent on trusting the mason claim but whatever I'm basically 100 percent on it

Why Nook over sprityo?

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:53 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:44 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

The theory:

There may or may not be one or more masons in the game.

If a mason dies and I'm still alive, I become a mason. If there are any other masons in the game when that happens, I join them in BTSC and get mod confirmation of their innocence. If any other backup masons exist, they also join the same BTSC.

The practice:

Me and falcon are backup masons. NAA was a mason. So his death triggered us both being added to the BTSC chat that NAA originally belonged to.

Normal games may only have townie masons, so I'm 100% sure falcon is town.

Under your premise, NAA (the known mason) did not have a BTSC partner with him in the chat?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:02 pm It doesn't matter what order they go in as long as they go

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:36 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:53 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:44 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

The theory:

There may or may not be one or more masons in the game.

If a mason dies and I'm still alive, I become a mason. If there are any other masons in the game when that happens, I join them in BTSC and get mod confirmation of their innocence. If any other backup masons exist, they also join the same BTSC.

The practice:

Me and falcon are backup masons. NAA was a mason. So his death triggered us both being added to the BTSC chat that NAA originally belonged to.

Normal games may only have townie masons, so I'm 100% sure falcon is town.

Under your premise, NAA (the known mason) did not have a BTSC partner with him in the chat?

He didn't. He could have had, the rules allow for it. But Urist only made one regular mason role.

Meaning town got super lucky since mafia's first NK was aimed at a role that needed to die to become useful.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:43 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:36 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:53 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:44 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

The theory:

There may or may not be one or more masons in the game.

If a mason dies and I'm still alive, I become a mason. If there are any other masons in the game when that happens, I join them in BTSC and get mod confirmation of their innocence. If any other backup masons exist, they also join the same BTSC.

The practice:

Me and falcon are backup masons. NAA was a mason. So his death triggered us both being added to the BTSC chat that NAA originally belonged to.

Normal games may only have townie masons, so I'm 100% sure falcon is town.

Under your premise, NAA (the known mason) did not have a BTSC partner with him in the chat?

He didn't. He could have had, the rules allow for it. But Urist only made one regular mason role.

Meaning town got super lucky since mafia's first NK was aimed at a role that needed to die to become useful.

Until NAA died, did you know that either NAA or Falcon was a fellow mason?

@falcon45ca- until NAA died, did you know that either NAA or DDL was a fellow mason?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:02 pm It doesn't matter what order they go in as long as they go

Even if you know you are town, we don't, so going out of your way to make it harder for us to trust you doesn't help your stated goal of not being yeeted to win the game.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:26 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

Sure.

I was told I was backup mason. After NAA died, I was put into a BTSC w/ DDL, the same one NAA had before they died. He talked to himself a little, and then DDL & I joined and have been chatting since

Under this premise, you are also suggesting that NAA did not have a BTSC partner in his mason chat prior to death?

He did not

A Mason group is a set of players who can communicate (via a shared Private Topic), and who know that every member of the group is Town. In Normal games, Masons are absolutely 100% Town; just as with the Mafia's private communication, it is up to the moderator whether the Private Topic is usable both Day and Night, or at Night only (although an Encryptor in the masonry will of course allow it to be used at any time regardless of the decision).

It is possible for multiple independent masonries to exist in the same game. A masonry must contain at least two players (as players know their own alignment and can already talk to themselves).

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:39 pm Until @Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca respectively respond to my inquiry, let's play a little game...

If DDL and Falcon are masons together, and you believe that Wilgy's death is in some way a confirmation of my town status, then the other four players in the game all have their POE of three to push forward with if you are town as well:

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:52 pm
As such, I can't eliminate from my mind that DDL and Falcon could be running a gambit as the last two remaining mafia. This makes winning the game much harder.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:17 pm Ah, I don't really see a reason to not reveal this...game away if ya don't like the play.


There are masons in this game.


I know this cuz I'm a backup Mason, I become one should one of them die


The primary masons need not reveal themselves tho, I figure the backups life is worth less

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:43 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:36 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:53 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:44 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

The theory:

There may or may not be one or more masons in the game.

If a mason dies and I'm still alive, I become a mason. If there are any other masons in the game when that happens, I join them in BTSC and get mod confirmation of their innocence. If any other backup masons exist, they also join the same BTSC.

The practice:

Me and falcon are backup masons. NAA was a mason. So his death triggered us both being added to the BTSC chat that NAA originally belonged to.

Normal games may only have townie masons, so I'm 100% sure falcon is town.

Under your premise, NAA (the known mason) did not have a BTSC partner with him in the chat?

He didn't. He could have had, the rules allow for it. But Urist only made one regular mason role.

Meaning town got super lucky since mafia's first NK was aimed at a role that needed to die to become useful.

Until NAA died, did you know that either NAA or Falcon was a fellow mason?

@falcon45ca- until NAA died, did you know that either NAA or DDL was a fellow mason?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:57 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:52 pm
As such, I can't eliminate from my mind that DDL and Falcon could be running a gambit as the last two remaining mafia. This makes winning the game much harder.

god you and me both

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:30 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:57 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:52 pm
As such, I can't eliminate from my mind that DDL and Falcon could be running a gambit as the last two remaining mafia. This makes winning the game much harder.

god you and me both

Yeah, but I claimed backup mason before NAA flipped.


How do I do that as Maf?



Also, I never fake claim. Ever

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:30 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:57 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:52 pm
As such, I can't eliminate from my mind that DDL and Falcon could be running a gambit as the last two remaining mafia. This makes winning the game much harder.

god you and me both

Yeah, but I claimed backup mason before NAA flipped.


How do I do that as Maf?



Also, I never fake claim. Ever

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:26 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:14 pm Unsure of my direction after some ISO work. There are seven of us left. Two of us are mafia. I know that I am town. That leaves two mafia among the six of you. All I need is a POE of three and we win. If the backup mason duo of DDL and Falcon is legit, then it reduces my POE to four. This would mean I just need to identify one more town role and we will be on the path to victory.

@Dragon D. Luffy and @falcon45ca: explain to me (preferably one at a time) how you know your role to work.

Sure.

I was told I was backup mason. After NAA died, I was put into a BTSC w/ DDL, the same one NAA had before they died. He talked to himself a little, and then DDL & I joined and have been chatting since

Under this premise, you are also suggesting that NAA did not have a BTSC partner in his mason chat prior to death?

He did not

Unmodified mason is not a possible role for NAA in light of both responses by DDL and Falcon.

According to the MafiaScum Wiki that this game is based on, a "Normal" mason is as follows:

A Mason group is a set of players who can communicate (via a shared Private Topic), and who know that every member of the group is Town. In Normal games, Masons are absolutely 100% Town; just as with the Mafia's private communication, it is up to the moderator whether the Private Topic is usable both Day and Night, or at Night only (although an Encryptor in the masonry will of course allow it to be used at any time regardless of the decision).

It is possible for multiple independent masonries to exist in the same game. A masonry must contain at least two players (as players know their own alignment and can already talk to themselves).

A solo mason with no partner, whose death creates a new masonry, isn't a mason at all. They are simply an enabler. If this is a "Normal" game, then I would expect it to follow the "Normal" structure for a "Normal" role. If NAA was this enabling role, then either his classification as a mason is incorrect and misleading or this game's classification as "Normal" is incorrect and misleading.

As such, I can't eliminate from my mind that DDL and Falcon could be running a gambit as the last two remaining mafia. This makes winning the game much harder.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:57 am @Dolby
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@sig
@sprityo
@TonyStarkPrime

This probably contains most / all of the mafia.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:30 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:57 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:52 pm
As such, I can't eliminate from my mind that DDL and Falcon could be running a gambit as the last two remaining mafia. This makes winning the game much harder.

god you and me both

Yeah, but I claimed backup mason before NAA flipped.


How do I do that as Maf?



Also, I never fake claim. Ever

Understandable move for a baddie to make an early claim like that because it 1) allows for a teammate to glom on and use it as a screen later via mason misdirection, and 2) the backup mason status is hard for anyone to refute unless a primary mason (or in this case the mason-enabling role) actually knows the identities of the backups. It's a claim that sticks your neck out there with minimal likelihood that it can be fully contradicted.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:49 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:30 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:57 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:52 pm
As such, I can't eliminate from my mind that DDL and Falcon could be running a gambit as the last two remaining mafia. This makes winning the game much harder.

god you and me both

Yeah, but I claimed backup mason before NAA flipped.


How do I do that as Maf?



Also, I never fake claim. Ever

Understandable move for a baddie to make an early claim like that because it 1) allows for a teammate to glom on and use it as a screen later via mason misdirection, and 2) the backup mason status is hard for anyone to refute unless a primary mason (or in this case the mason-enabling role) actually knows the identities of the backups. It's a claim that sticks your neck out there with minimal likelihood that it can be fully contradicted.

It's an insane claim for mafia to make without knowing that there's only one mason lol, cause if there were two masons then they'd be outed after the first one dies.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:23 pm [VOTE: Nook] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:23 pm [VOTE: Nook] aubergine

what's up with the change of mind?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:15 pm because I know for a fact, I am town. and when I flip town Nanook can claim self preservation and try to push lime coke since that's the only other person on the wagon who isnt viewed as really town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:50 pm Like if you have questions or whatever that's fine and I'm happy to answer or engage or whatever

But I mean

I'm not gonna pretend to care about the order when the order does not matter at all for me lol

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:50 pm Like if you have questions or whatever that's fine and I'm happy to answer or engage or whatever

But I mean

I'm not gonna pretend to care about the order when the order does not matter at all for me lol

I could argue but if you don't care why should I

See you next game I guess.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:19 pm My vote was on you before yours was on me too, so not sure how it woild be self prez anyways

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:42 pm I guess if NANOOK insists on voting me I must oblige him