The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:45 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:30 pm

my my what a long neck you have

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:03 pm If anyone here got a role card saying Pedro Pony, please out yourself so that we can eliminate you immediately.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:36 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:03 pm If anyone here got a role card saying Pedro Pony, please out yourself so that we can eliminate you immediately.

Why the hate for Pedro Pony?

Pedro Pony is the worst omg are you kidding

112 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:21 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:19 pm
112 1612 = 666 ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED

2 + 3 = 6?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:54 pm I propose that we have some of us be the Early Game try hards that do things like Say Stuff and Produce Content etc

While the rest of me and Joseph meme and say “yes that’s good” or “no that’s bad”

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:32 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:26 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:54 pm I propose that we have some of us be the Early Game try hards that do things like Say Stuff and Produce Content etc

While the rest of me and Joseph meme and say “yes that’s good” or “no that’s bad”

Since when does NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME asks for potato pass? :o

The proposal part is obviously that other people fulfill the Early Game Doers Of Things role

I don’t play that way regardless kek

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:32 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:23 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:36 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:03 pm If anyone here got a role card saying Pedro Pony, please out yourself so that we can eliminate you immediately.

Why the hate for Pedro Pony?

Pedro Pony is the worst omg are you kidding

It's not that bad!! He's like, a bit whiny but the glasses are cute

When they were deciding on a name for the new baby rabbit, and Pedro suggested Michael Rabbit, I nearly had a fit. What an absolutely ludicrous suggestion. And then he has the gall - the NERVE - to suggest Sharon Rabbit as a possible girl's name. Absolutely unbelievable. There is something deeply wrong with that boy.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:54 pm did u find this gif on google carotte or did u make it yourself?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:24 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:32 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:26 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:54 pm I propose that we have some of us be the Early Game try hards that do things like Say Stuff and Produce Content etc

While the rest of me and Joseph meme and say “yes that’s good” or “no that’s bad”

Since when does NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME asks for potato pass? :o

The proposal part is obviously that other people fulfill the Early Game Doers Of Things role

I don’t play that way regardless kek

Why do you feel the need to ask if it's the way you always play anyway?
[...]

I wasn’t asking if I can play the way I play

I was asking for other people to Do Things so I can sit in judgment

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:13 pm Mafia team

112
nutella
proto

disgusting

Anyway I'm just tunnelling this until I have flips and stuff.

Why these 3? Just because they haven't spoken?

Also my early reads are that Mac, Amy and tutuu are town. I agree with Amy's towncase on Mac and her description of his meta fits with what I saw in Space Invaders. I have a 100% success rate at finding tutuu as town really early so far, so just trust me on that one.

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:51 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:00 am Hello! I rolled wolf, looking forward to killing all of you in your sleep!

This reads really pure to me. Alison is mafia.

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:28 am hmm being scumread by multiple people day 0.

This kind of makes the game easier for me to solve although it does increase my chances of dying.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:13 pm Mafia team

112
nutella
proto

disgusting

Anyway I'm just tunnelling this until I have flips and stuff.

Why these 3? Just because they haven't spoken?

Also my early reads are that Mac, Amy and tutuu are town. I agree with Amy's towncase on Mac and her description of his meta fits with what I saw in Space Invaders. I have a 100% success rate at finding tutuu as town really early so far, so just trust me on that one.

All three of these posted when you made the post Alison, how did you miss this?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:41 pm If you make a convincing infographic I'll lock clear you tbh

Amy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:51 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:49 pm ColinIsCool have you played with tutuu before? How can you scumread her, she's like flowing town pureness for anyone that played with her before. Same goes for TenThousandCalories.

Look, I don’t choose who gets what rolecard, I’m just here to tunnel and mess shit up.

unironically town

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:21 pm

Spoiler: show

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:40 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:13 pm Mafia team

112
nutella
proto

disgusting

Anyway I'm just tunnelling this until I have flips and stuff.

Why these 3? Just because they haven't spoken?

Also my early reads are that Mac, Amy and tutuu are town. I agree with Amy's towncase on Mac and her description of his meta fits with what I saw in Space Invaders. I have a 100% success rate at finding tutuu as town really early so far, so just trust me on that one.

All three of these posted when you made the post Alison, how did you miss this?

hmn wait sorry I believe it's all three of them, not of these

must have been very unmemorable posts then

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:24 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:49 pm ColinIsCool have you played with tutuu before? How can you scumread her, she's like flowing town pureness for anyone that played with her before. Same goes for TenThousandCalories.

Alternatively:

Have we ever seen tutuu roll wolf?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:45 pm (ordered)
tutuu
amy
urist
carotte
112
tonystarkprime

(empty space)

colin (sheeping amy)

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scumreads (fuck it)
alison only with nutella if im right about that w/w post, otherwise i townread alison for non-tangible reason
nutella with alison (otherwise idk how to read nutella)
protocultures

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i was considering listing 10k calories under colin due to carotte townreading them but, i wanna holster for now

all 3 of these scumreads are ppl who ive wrongly scumread last game and they were all town, so looking at the list written like that makes me lose even more confidence, not that there was much to begin with. but. ill hold this for now

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idk about ted
macdougall - im conflicted on who to sheep, a bunch of ppl are saying he's town, but amy says he's scum. so there two cancel out in my eyes
idk about turnip head
nanook im holstering my read out of fear that ill be wrong for the 4th time in a row

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:06 pm pretty sure it was Alison who was describing that sometimes they like to get scrumread at start of game and then climb out of the hole they dug for themselves as some sort of challenge. Might also be toitally mistaking that for another player. Cant 100% be sure it was alison. If it was, someone else can probably confirm it.

Open wolfing is also something Alison would do as mafia. It is also something they would need to do as actual mafia since they do it as town for balance reasons. You either dont understand this logic, or you do.

I have seen tutuu be more towny when town. She is not lock town to me at the moment. She in POE with everyone else.

No hard town reads or scumreads other than Alison atm.

Joseph prides himself on being good at mafia. He currently thinks I am mafia. Gonna omgus and lean Joseph as mafia here for scumreading me. Not as direct omgus, but more based on the fact that he should be able to read me as town. Granted I havent been very towny, but even so.

This post itself likely to get me more scumread. oh well.

Game is easier if I am scumread because when everyone pockets me as clear town, the game is harder. OMGUS to find the mafia usually isnt a terrible strategy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:32 pm exactly one third of the playerlist starts with T

exactly one of them is a wolf


prob turnip head


sheep this galaxy brain take

Amy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:42 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:37 pm fuck i forgot carotte on my readslist lmao

carotte is a weak v lean and would be a strong v lean if i knew what her wolfgame looked like

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

fair play but honestly i blame her username

i see "Carotenoid" on the poll and it doesn't quiiiiite sink in who it's talking about

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:08 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:01 pm What's 112 wolf meta?

It's hard to say tbh. I think of anyone here I have the best idea but I wouldn't trust my meta all that much.

The first time I encountered 112 was in champs last year in the qualifiers they were town and they had as much wim as anyone I'd ever played with. Sharp as hell, unafraid to ruffle feathers. We had a town v town war. I've never seen that 112 since so I think that it's unfair to scumread her in the absence of that meta.

The second time I played with 112 they randed wolf and deepwolfed very well and got to f3 in the champs semi last year where they bested me and Vanity after I got myself into kingmaker. In that game their wolfgame was typified by being unafraid to vote for and even eliminate partners. They would have been scumread more if not for flips revealing that 112 had pushed partners. By the end of the game there was evidence of 112 having cased and voted on each and every single partner. One notable thing was hammering their teammate Evenstar while 112 and I were both in the thread laughing at how outed she was. 112 just lolnoped and hammered her when really I wasn't even that convinced she was mafia.

I think the two aforementioned games are probably 112 playing town (and mafia) at her top form. Since then by and large I have seen 112 play near identical as either alignment. Mostly surface level reads. Significant periods of no content. Doesn't really care when people scumread her. Just hasn't seemed to have near the wim as either alignment. I understand a lot has occured for 112 personally since champs last year and I think mostly 112 feels like they can't afford to get themselves that immersed in mafia for their own sanity frankly.

Hope that helps.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:52 pm My preferred exe pool for D1 is tutuu/112/TH

Don't have strong feelings about the order

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:00 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:59 pm tutuu/Alison not townreading each other anymore makes me think I might be wrong townreading both of them them. Alison's push on tutuu actually reminds me a lot of how she pushed me in Space Invaders regarding the you don't have tangible things against me line and ~aggressivity-ish level

Where are the I N F O G R A P H I C S

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:03 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:59 pm tutuu/Alison not townreading each other anymore makes me think I might be wrong townreading both of them them. Alison's push on tutuu actually reminds me a lot of how she pushed me in Space Invaders regarding the you don't have tangible things against me line and ~aggressivity-ish level

Have you seen my other games? All my pushes are aggressive. No reason to push someone if you don't want to kill them, and if you want to kill them then why not be aggressive?

Also ask yourself if town Alison would be annoyed by people wrongly scumreading her for no reason before you make that comparison tbh

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:08 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:04 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:52 pm My preferred exe pool for D1 is tutuu/112/TH

Don't have strong feelings about the order

omg how do you have a preferred pool so early
I don't really like it, the only ~okay vote is 112 and she's like the most consensus vote in the thread. Why are you not including some of the other low posters?

You've read all the posts I made where I painstakingly write down all the reasons I have to believe that those three people are scum right?

I have no idea why you're confused that I have a preferred exe pool early when I have real reasons to believe these people are scum and I don't have any reason to believe assorted other low posters are scum other than being low posters (which is weaker than the scumreads I have on these specific people)

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:44 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:06 pm pretty sure it was Alison who was describing that sometimes they like to get scrumread at start of game and then climb out of the hole they dug for themselves as some sort of challenge. Might also be toitally mistaking that for another player. Cant 100% be sure it was alison. If it was, someone else can probably confirm it.

Open wolfing is also something Alison would do as mafia. It is also something they would need to do as actual mafia since they do it as town for balance reasons. You either dont understand this logic, or you do.

I have seen tutuu be more towny when town. She is not lock town to me at the moment. She in POE with everyone else.

No hard town reads or scumreads other than Alison atm.

Joseph prides himself on being good at mafia. He currently thinks I am mafia. Gonna omgus and lean Joseph as mafia here for scumreading me. Not as direct omgus, but more based on the fact that he should be able to read me as town. Granted I havent been very towny, but even so.

This post itself likely to get me more scumread. oh well.

Game is easier if I am scumread because when everyone pockets me as clear town, the game is harder. OMGUS to find the mafia usually isnt a terrible strategy.

... Is Alison a town read or a scum read?

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:57 pm[...]
Alison - prob still mafia but not voting them day 1 because: they are currently hard defending me when a couple people want to kill me. If they are town, its good I am not pushing them. If they are mafia, they are doing a good job townsiding by pocketing and hard defending me.

I assume I misremembered the name of the player who likes being scumread at start of games to dig themselves out of a hole since Alison is saying this not NOT something she said, and also nobody else remembers this either so think its a conversation I had with someone else in another mafia community. Oddly she notes she thinks I am fabricating this whole thing but still townreads me. Either way, look to point above - Alison is town and defending me or she is hard defending me as mafia, both of which are good for now and why I wont vote her day 1. Kind of unfairly, I will probably always have a suspicion of Alison in every single game I play with them.

My second point on alison i am pretty sure is NOT a lie. That is that they claim mafia on day 0/1 - pretty sure Alison did this in Lion King as town and they did it in this game as well. My point remains that if she will do this as town, she must do this as mafia as well for balance reasons.
[...]

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:22 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:07 pm Ugh can proto/Alison be w/w? Alison's reaction to protocultures mischaracterizing her meta is clearly different from her reaction to tutuu.

Aaaaaaaaaaaah *resist the temptation of starting to tunnel*

There's a lot of people that just... Exist. I should probably look at them hmn

proto called Alison town for meta, while tutuu called Alison mafia for meta. It makes sense that the reaction is different, regardless of the alignments of all involved.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:23 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:19 pm I just got off the phone with my wagon analyst, she says that 112 is most likely town here due to lack of momentum on that wagon.

Where is the momentum supposed to come from if 112 were scum?

Her buddies, duh.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:39 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:27 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:23 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:19 pm I just got off the phone with my wagon analyst, she says that 112 is most likely town here due to lack of momentum on that wagon.

Where is the momentum supposed to come from if 112 were scum?

Her buddies, duh.

what if they're just afk though

I know this game feels slow, but how many AFKers do we actually have? 10k, maybe? I think that most people have logged on since 112 became the thread's pariah, so I'm not sure your counterargument is valid.
I'm ok with slapping a caveat of "if 2 lurkers flip scum, invalidate me" on my analysis. But like... I don't really think that's going to happen.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:02 pm TSP - wow I didn't realize he had 20 posts already. Tone is pretty similar to what I know of t!TSP, no idea what his scumgame is like though. His #261 budge me a little though, the "tbh" seems out of character. Still wouldn't vote here today though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:23 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:19 pm hmn wait wtf @TSP @Proto why are you voting Mac/Joseph?
(@MacDougall Making sure, what do you want to be called?)

I like ppl to have options

Amy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:28 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:25 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:02 pm TSP - wow I didn't realize he had 20 posts already. Tone is pretty similar to what I know of t!TSP, no idea what his scumgame is like though. His #261 budge me a little though, the "tbh" seems out of character. Still wouldn't vote here today though.

Actually nevermind he did use "tbh" a couple of times in SF1

this is kind of a weird thing to be focusing on

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:43 pm Is the tbh tell like the pure tell
[...]

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:16 pm

Spoiler: show

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:58 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:44 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:06 pm pretty sure it was Alison who was describing that sometimes they like to get scrumread at start of game and then climb out of the hole they dug for themselves as some sort of challenge. Might also be toitally mistaking that for another player. Cant 100% be sure it was alison. If it was, someone else can probably confirm it.

Open wolfing is also something Alison would do as mafia. It is also something they would need to do as actual mafia since they do it as town for balance reasons. You either dont understand this logic, or you do.

I have seen tutuu be more towny when town. She is not lock town to me at the moment. She in POE with everyone else.

No hard town reads or scumreads other than Alison atm.

Joseph prides himself on being good at mafia. He currently thinks I am mafia. Gonna omgus and lean Joseph as mafia here for scumreading me. Not as direct omgus, but more based on the fact that he should be able to read me as town. Granted I havent been very towny, but even so.

This post itself likely to get me more scumread. oh well.

Game is easier if I am scumread because when everyone pockets me as clear town, the game is harder. OMGUS to find the mafia usually isnt a terrible strategy.

... Is Alison a town read or a scum read?

@protocultures You missed this post >:( Anyway:

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:57 pm[...]
Alison - prob still mafia but not voting them day 1 because: they are currently hard defending me when a couple people want to kill me. If they are town, its good I am not pushing them. If they are mafia, they are doing a good job townsiding by pocketing and hard defending me.

I assume I misremembered the name of the player who likes being scumread at start of games to dig themselves out of a hole since Alison is saying this not NOT something she said, and also nobody else remembers this either so think its a conversation I had with someone else in another mafia community. Oddly she notes she thinks I am fabricating this whole thing but still townreads me. Either way, look to point above - Alison is town and defending me or she is hard defending me as mafia, both of which are good for now and why I wont vote her day 1. Kind of unfairly, I will probably always have a suspicion of Alison in every single game I play with them.

My second point on alison i am pretty sure is NOT a lie. That is that they claim mafia on day 0/1 - pretty sure Alison did this in Lion King as town and they did it in this game as well. My point remains that if she will do this as town, she must do this as mafia as well for balance reasons.
[...]

So this implies the first quoted post was a scumread, which is ??? For every reason you think she's mafia you also give the counterargument. Second quote is even worse, t!protocultures doesn't accept nonsense like that and isn't afraid to get engaged against his scumreads.

It doesnt matter what alignbment Alison is for Day 1, because I am not voting them day 1 today. It is beneficial for my alignment if alison stays alive at the moment.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:20 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:19 pm hmn wait wtf @TSP @Proto why are you voting Mac/Joseph?
(@MacDougall Making sure, what do you want to be called?)

reminds me of lolcat mac/jospeh from space invaders.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:27 pm @Alison

can you explain your TR on Ted?

Sabie told me Ted posts a lot like me as town. I saw a bit of that in one of the prev games. I am not seeing it so much here.

if I had to pick, i would lean Ted scum just on that basis without an iso and totally going by memory.

They are also voting on one of my townreads, Nutella.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:01 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:25 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:02 pm TSP - wow I didn't realize he had 20 posts already. Tone is pretty similar to what I know of t!TSP, no idea what his scumgame is like though. His #261 budge me a little though, the "tbh" seems out of character. Still wouldn't vote here today though.

Actually nevermind he did use "tbh" a couple of times in SF1

About the same time I was talking to him a bunch in philosopher’s mafia tbh

Coincidence?????

Probably not tbh!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:26 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:24 pm Nanook hasn't used the shrug emoji yet, is this AI?

Maybe

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:56 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:08 pm Would vote here
112
protocultures
Alison

Which one is your preferred chop?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:18 pm Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:23 pm

Spoiler: show

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:18 pm Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear

Nothing specific but I wanted to see what my vote did for wagonomics. As far as I can tell it made the rest of the wagon evaporate.

I feel like these players have done nothing that I think is plausibly likely to ping the number of people they have as being scummy (obviously even the most townie player will get some suspicion thrown their way here and there but I see a reasonable amount of proto/Amy scum ideas being thrown around). They are really unobjectionable players and keeping entirely to their town meta and I sort of suspect that they are being attacked because they have less of an ability to defend themselves.

Also I hate this beetlejuice from you so I'm going to vote you again.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:08 am

Spoiler: show

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:49 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:48 pm ok anyone other than alison

it's unclear to me why TH becomes magically more scummy if voted by someone other than me

your AtE is getting to me so i'll explain that i do have some reservations about voting with you on TH considering my reason for voting you in the first place was mostly based on your vote for TH.
but it's d1 and i've proven that i'm terrible at reading you in general sooooooo whatever

I don't really understand what's so scummy about my vote for TH but we'll shelve that aside.

I think my points about TH's scumminess are fairly straightforward and easy to understand. TH has been anti-town; TH knows they're anti-town and refuse to change. TH has voted a very easy/lazy push for bad reasons. TH ghosted the thread for a bit and then came back to defend themselves when I called them out. These are behaviors that are, in a vacuum, objectively scummy. Any one of them could be defensible (especially the anti-town bit if that's just their meta like people said) - but taken altogether, it paints a poor picture of TH. Whatever you think about me and my vote for TH, these are facts about TH's behavior that you can evaluate the truth of for yourself.

Also if it helps you understand my decision to ask you to sheep me on TH better, I simply figured that taking a vote from someone I know to be town and putting it on someone I heavily suspect of being scum is definitely a positive development.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:16 am @Carotenoid

viewtopic.php?f=106&t=1904&p=621076#p621076

viewtopic.php?f=106&t=1904&p=621434#p621434

Re Sabie and ted comments.

I kind of like Mac's one long post re reads list. Should prob stop voting them at some point. Assume day ends in about 12 hours?

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:32 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:19 pm Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:42 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:38 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:32 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:19 pm Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?

huh yeah
Time to see if your script is working!

I already checked at the start of day, it's busted and I haven't had time to make it work. The fact that you have to be *logged in* to see the voters is uh, a thing.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:22 pm

Spoiler: show

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:12 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:56 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:08 pm Would vote here
112
protocultures
Alison

Which one is your preferred chop?

I'd vote Alison more since I have meta on her and feel more confident on that than 112. I'm willing to give a bit more time to protocultures since he's trying to reach out to me.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:18 pm Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear

How were my reasons to suspect proto unclear? I pointed out a specific post that I found hedgy and said that his use of meta was weirding me out.
(k to be fair maybe the last part was a bit vague, in better words I think he's slightly twisting meta to fit purposes that are agenda-y.)

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:23 pm

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:18 pm Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear

Nothing specific but I wanted to see what my vote did for wagonomics. As far as I can tell it made the rest of the wagon evaporate.

I feel like these players have done nothing that I think is plausibly likely to ping the number of people they have as being scummy (obviously even the most townie player will get some suspicion thrown their way here and there but I see a reasonable amount of proto/Amy scum ideas being thrown around). They are really unobjectionable players and keeping entirely to their town meta and I sort of suspect that they are being attacked because they have less of an ability to defend themselves.

Also I hate this beetlejuice from you so I'm going to vote you again.

Disagree with your interpretation on proto/Amy being ""easy"" pushes, proto scum idea has been thrown around but he has literally 0 vote on him and Amy is mostly consensus townread, Mac already retracted his scumread almost immediately after and Nanook was just sheeping him so meh.
It feels like you're purposefully being a bit off track to start a push/discredit/discourage people that are scumreading them. For example, you've mentioned me as someone who has pushed proto but that's pretty much it, you're mostly casting shade on a kinda nebulous pool of players without actually digging in them.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:08 am

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Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:49 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:48 pm ok anyone other than alison

it's unclear to me why TH becomes magically more scummy if voted by someone other than me

your AtE is getting to me so i'll explain that i do have some reservations about voting with you on TH considering my reason for voting you in the first place was mostly based on your vote for TH.
but it's d1 and i've proven that i'm terrible at reading you in general sooooooo whatever

I don't really understand what's so scummy about my vote for TH but we'll shelve that aside.

I think my points about TH's scumminess are fairly straightforward and easy to understand. TH has been anti-town; TH knows they're anti-town and refuse to change. TH has voted a very easy/lazy push for bad reasons. TH ghosted the thread for a bit and then came back to defend themselves when I called them out. These are behaviors that are, in a vacuum, objectively scummy. Any one of them could be defensible (especially the anti-town bit if that's just their meta like people said) - but taken altogether, it paints a poor picture of TH. Whatever you think about me and my vote for TH, these are facts about TH's behavior that you can evaluate the truth of for yourself.

Also if it helps you understand my decision to ask you to sheep me on TH better, I simply figured that taking a vote from someone I know to be town and putting it on someone I heavily suspect of being scum is definitely a positive development.

*insert TMI read*

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:16 am @Carotenoid

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Re Sabie and ted comments.

I kind of like Mac's one long post re reads list. Should prob stop voting them at some point. Assume day ends in about 12 hours?

hmn I mean, I'm not saying Sabie is wrong but from what I've seen from tedxtr in Pyre and you from Space Invaders/Lion King you're not similar at all. You said you've looked at previous games from him, which games is it? Do you have a read on him outside of "meta"?

Also, you said you disagreed with my readlist. What exactly are you disagreeing with?

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:22 pm re your reads list,

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Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:08 pm I'm here at the moment:

Townie
tutuu
Urist
ColinIsCool

Townie but less
Amy
MacDougall
tedxtr

Not voting here today

TonyStarkPrime
Turnip Head

hmmmm
nutella
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TenThousandCalories

Would vote here
112
protocultures
Alison

Im town, i think alison is town, meh on 112. My townreads are pushing them.

nutell aleans town to me, along with TSP.

scumread turnip.

think amy is town.

ted needs more time for me to think, along with nanook, 10k and macdougal.