The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:23 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:09 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:04 pmI'm not hiding behind anything.

You see thats the difference between you and me Kyle. I'm always hiding behind a facade of smiles and forced concepts of self worth. Even a facade of hope to an extent. Anxiety and depression is a real bitch.

that's deep, dunsparce.

Dunsparce is just the best. The pokedex says its 4'11 long and its tubby so they are probably all cuddly but as they are reptiles they probably feel cool to the touch and they can fly with their cute tiny wings like bumblebees also when they are scared they just dig backwards with their super awesome drill like tail and they can learn a wide variety of moves. Dunsparce can even learn moves like Solarbeam and Sunny day or the Rain dance Thunder combo, it can learn roost, earthquake, calm mind, glare, and coil too making it super versitile. It's pretty much the best Pokemon.

I'll get back to your question regarding eloh when I'm on a pc Quin. I don't want to sift through posts while on a phone.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki ... Base_stats

No.

Though it would be cool if they made a Mega Dunsparce.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:58 pm Dunsparce also has access to the serene grace ability which lets it use air slash's heightened flinch rate and thunderwave to completely block their opponent from attacking, although togekiss does it a little better and benefits from the flying type move... I guess Dunsparce could use the normal type headbutt for the same purpose but I don't know for sure if it gets access to that move outside of heart gold and soul silver

Togekiss does the same thing and it has better stats and access to Tailwind (if you play doubles) or Defog (if you play singles) which are good support options. it can also self recover.

Jirachi is a more offensive option for Togekiss too, if you are not playing an official tournament.

Dunsparce is outclassed, sadly.

I don't feel like lynching Wilgy. He doesn't make me feel any suspicion.

I feel some suspicion on Malakim on the other hand.

But now I don't wanna betray my civ Jay theory. Even though i'm also betraying my bad Jay theory to begin with.

Jay i'll read those dellcious ISOs tomorrow now I'm too sleepy to make any sense of them.

I'm staying on Malakim. You guys follow me if you want. Good night.

I'm mostly riding the "Mesk lynch was a save" theory.

So one of Jay and Dom must be bad. If not Jay then Dom. And Malakim made some posts that looked lazy and uncommital.

Basically this lead is terrible but I don't have a better one. meh.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:10 pm Why is jay town

Because the resistance to his lynch has been pathetic.

Or it was pathetic before me and some people called it, now it's not anymore.

/WIFOM

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:11 pm But isn't that why we switched off dom

I don't know I skimmed the whole EoD3

Also I've gotten multiple indications that this Jay and baddie Jay are nothing alike so the meta read is kind of dead

Alright.

Screw it.

*JJJ*

No matter what, he hasn't looked like a civ all game. If meta is worthless, I'll follow my gut.

And I don't want to lynch Wilgy.

Good night. Turning off my laptop.

Rest in pieces.

I just woke up. No way I'm wrecking my sleep schedule over this.

Also nice to see night is being delayed since Im spending the weekend at my grandparents' house. So limited internet access.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:36 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:33 am CFD. For the fourth night in a row. No thanks I'll stick with speed.

I am the CFD. Original was JJJ.

Have I mentioned I hate CFDs? Yeah I hate CFDs.

Vote DDL. I promise you no CFDs anymore. The good working men and women this side of the Americas will finally be able to go to bed knowing there won't be 5 new votes on them by the morning.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:56 am

I knew it! I'm never feeling sorry for you again, Jay

No you didnt. You tried to save him last night.

So guys. I need the people who do not like to sleep to provide me some info:

How big were those speedchuck and wilgy wagons?

Did they ever surpass, or threaten, the Jay lynch?

Who was on them, besides the people appearing in the poll?

And the names of the people who got in the way of justice?

->11 confirmed guys

What sorcery is this

I agree with your point on Sloonei though. His actions fit someone who is trying to keep a good distance from his bad teammates yet avoid helping lynch them. On night 3 he demanded an explanation for my Jay suspicion (which I had already given but somehow he missed it). I quoted my post again, and immediately he became the #1 champion for the battle against Jay. But come EoD4 and he jumps out of it. Only to jump in again when the Jay lynch becomes inevitable.

I dont remember the day 3 lynch well, but his late jump on Mesk feels similar.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:14 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:10 am ->11 confirmed guys

What sorcery is this

You see these blatant scummers?

Tell me we haven't caught all five of the remaining three baddies.

There is nothing blatant in this game.

I see about 10 people with a decent chance of being bad and another 5 I'm also paranoid about.

I'm also interested on who brought the Jay lynch back to life.

The first and maybe second people to do that are almost surely civ.

But Im on my phone so Im not checking now.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:33 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:17 am So guys. I need the people who do not like to sleep to provide me some info:

How big were those speedchuck and wilgy wagons?

Did they ever surpass, or threaten, the Jay lynch?

Who was on them, besides the people appearing in the poll?

When I switched over, I changed the lead from Speedchuck to JJJ. Jack, Mal, Kyle were still on speed.

Do you remember who was on Jay before you?

We could use an ordered vote tally like the one [mention]Kylemii[/mention] made on Pirate.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:37 am EBWOP oh mal is still there heh.

I also think Wilgy might've been somewhere else? I know Epi/nutella/speed were on him for sure, and I thought Sloonei was too but if you weren't around at EoD it had to have been you.

I was on Jay during the last 4 hours of the phase. I voted for him before going to bed.

But other people were on him. I think Sloonei, Jack, Speed and Nutella. Some of them left. They came back later. I'm most interested in this comeback (and people who joined late like Epi).

There was an attempt to save Jay last night. There are baddies among those. And there was a movement to bring the Jay lynch back to life that came near EoD. Those in it are civs. Once I'm back to town I'll try to piece it together. But if someone can do it for me I'll love you forever.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:49 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:44 am There was an attempt to save Jay last night. There are baddies among those. And there was a movement to bring the Jay lynch back to life that came near EoD. Those in it are civs. Once I'm back to town I'll try to piece it together. But if someone can do it for me I'll love you forever.

I'm pretty sure some heavy bussing occurred last night as well, considering Jay's burn-out state and grad student end of semester schedule, so don't take your focus completely away from people who were pro-Jay lynch either.

If speed has 5 votes and jay has 2 and Im scum with Jay, I am not saying "hey guys remember that Jay lynch we kind of forgot? It's still a good idea".

There is bussing and there is stupid.

Thanks Bob.

Epi might be my biggest civ read in the game at this point.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:52 am Well, I freely admit to being suckered.

Though I will say when you lynch me tomorrow you are gonna be very disappointed.

And yeah, I don't know if there's a term for getting suckered into playing defense but that's how I feel atm.

Stop whining about votes that haven't even been made and start hunting scum.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:57 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:54 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:52 am Well, I freely admit to being suckered.

Though I will say when you lynch me tomorrow you are gonna be very disappointed.

And yeah, I don't know if there's a term for getting suckered into playing defense but that's how I feel atm.

Stop whining about votes that haven't even been made and start hunting scum.

...

Fuck you. I am.

Sorry I don't mean to be rude to you. I have nothing against you personally. But you are not gonna accomplish anything if you spend the game complaining about how we are treating you unfairly and not waiting for you to come back and not giving you time to read the thread and whatnot.

Its Night 4. We need to read you. Your slot was part of a 3-way lynch that ended up killing a confirmed civ and saving a confirmed bad. We need to figure out where you stand in that, and the only way to do that is reading your posts and figuring out if you are helping or not.

So if you need more time, it's fine. Its just a game. Nobody will be mad and we understand you are a replacement. But don't ask us to stop trying to read your alignment while we wait for you. We will do that whether you are caught up or not.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:09 am I'm still not voting for malakim any time soon.

Who would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.

That's because the line of thinking is backwards here. I can't stress this enough: Jay would have preferred to be bussed rather than saved yesterday.

I don't think DDL and Jack have as much experience with scum Jay. How many times has completed a scum game on here? (I don't count the SF game since he got replaced Day 1)

This is the first time I ever see scum jay.

I feel a sense of accomplishment.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?

According to himself he was one of the main forces in restarting the Jay lynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?

According to himself he was one of the main forces in restarting the Jay lynch.

Dubious and borderline irrelevant given my concern that Jay was primed for a bus.
where has he made this bold claim?

I doubt the realism of your theory when there were two players with 3-5 votes each and Jay was lagging at third place.

Why bussing him at all?

Actually it seems my point contradicts with the one you and nutella are making.

Can someone provide me a damn order in which votes were made?

If it helps, I recall being the fifth voter on jay before I left.

On day 6 Im gonna lynch someone who does not call their vote in day 5.

I'm not caught up but I stopped to read Epis Kyle theory.

I loved it.

Im gonna ISO the fuck out of Kyle tomorrow.

Took a quick review of EoD3:

- Nutella and Eoi look great
- Speedchuck looks off for jumping on Wilgy to save himself nstead of Jay. Could see a Jay/Speed team-up.
- Bob looks Eh. He dropped out of the Jay thing when people started doing t, but jumped in again when they started coming bck. Jack looks similar to Bob in that regard.
- Eloh looks bad too.
- Sloonei looks awful. I bet he has the worst vote tracking out of anyone this game. The way he kept doing 180º turns on Jay, and those turns matched the flow of the thread is pingy as fuck, and also looks artificial. I'm only second doubting it because it threads close to "so bad it's good" territory, I actually doubt a true bad Sloonei would goof that hard. The Night 3 lynch feels similar too.

ninja'd by Marmot.

RIP Jack. Nice game here, and sorry for doubting you early.

I like this new day end time.

It does mean I'll have 38927492374927 posts to catch up when I wake up, but at least I'll be able to change my vote right before deadline if needed.

EBWOP: review of EoD4

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:39 am Good job, Civs! Hopefully this will lead to total game solving.

I don't like this post. Feels too diplomatic.

What are your opinions on LC, people?

Hmm LC did try to lynch Jay on Day 3 didn't he. Meh.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:43 pm It is a weak reason to dismiss Kyle, but I believe him because he's a good person and it was a sincere apology and he's made a good effort to be as helpful and open as possible. It's reserved people I don't like.

You are letting your empathy get to you again.

ninja'd by Epi in the next post.

Ok I need to stop this.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:17 pm When J³ made his "farewell I'm dying" post it read as sincere to me too. I wasn't actually convinced we'd done the right thing until he flipped Choco Hills like 3 hours later.

Time to play an Epi.

What is the point of those sentences? You already explained your votes. So now you're just being dramatic. I don't like it.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:32 am I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

Like here's an example. Epi was 109% right about Jimmy.

And his case was 110% bullshit. Good Day.

I can't explain why exactly. But the last time I saw someone make this kind of post, it was me. And I was lynched immetiately. And flipped bad.

There is something in it that feels like you are not really happy for the civ victory. You are arguing against it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:12 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:25 am I like the people on JJJ much more, so I'm swtiching over. JJJ

Post 3302.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:17 am also i put my vote back on jay. his ISOs don't sway me much. That's exactly what I'd expect him to do as scum. It's exactly what he always says players, town or scum, should do in the face of pressure. I don't feel like his mesk vote came from a place of sincerity and prior to today I got very little sense that he was trying to solve the game in any capacity.

Post 3287.

My bad, guys. Sloonei voted Jimmy before Bob.

This doesn't look good for Bob.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:56 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:04 am A janitor in this game. Very interesting.

Though I suspect the Martian is involved with that. Too many secrets.

Going to bed now, will poke back after some sleep.

The surprise and unawareness of the nightkill mechanics in this game malakim displayed here appear genuine and believable to me. I think he's a townie who believed for a fleeting moment that we had a janitor in this game, or that the nightkill was carried out by Olympus Mons. If he was scum he would have been clued into their target and would presumably be aware of his team's full complement of abilities.

Honestly no. If a scummate of mine has just join ed BTSC I'm not going to give them a rundown of all the possible Syndicate mechanics they might not be aware of. Chances are I won't be aware they don't know about the janitor kill until after they say it themselves.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:56 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:04 am A janitor in this game. Very interesting.

Though I suspect the Martian is involved with that. Too many secrets.

Going to bed now, will poke back after some sleep.

The surprise and unawareness of the nightkill mechanics in this game malakim displayed here appear genuine and believable to me. I think he's a townie who believed for a fleeting moment that we had a janitor in this game, or that the nightkill was carried out by Olympus Mons. If he was scum he would have been clued into their target and would presumably be aware of his team's full complement of abilities.

Actually never mind, there is a contradiction here since it was their own faction kill that got janitored.

Still, I don't think that's hard to fake at all.