I believe you about Jay, Sloonei. Empathy united.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:58 amOkay, go ahead. I don't feel like defending myself over this. I started the day 3 push against Jay but bailed to Mesk because I felt bad about it on a personal level. I was on Jay for the entire day yesterday except for a 2 hour stretch where my confidence wavered a little bit and I wanted to check the pulse of the thread. Then I went back to Jay because he was my clear cut top suspect. If you want to actually read my posts I think you can trace how my thoughts developed over time. I doubt myself a lot. I can't help it. I'm not going to apologize for that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:50 amBullshit.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:41 am I voted for speedchuck to make reactions happen. I can't read him right now and wanted to talk about him.
I voted for Wilgy because I liked chuck's respinse. I still think Jay coukd have been putting distance between himself and teammate wilgy.
I voted for Jay because he was bad. Jack is tinfoiling hard against me.
You were waffley. "I don't know what's going on."
Wilgy is not w/w with all the other baddies. Why would they push Wilgy early and stay there if he was their teammate? Why not just bus Jimmy?
I'd be more likely to believe you had a nervous tick that caused you to place bad votes than this.
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Sloonei did you move back to JJJ before or after I did?
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Yet he saved Jimmy once and attempted to do it a second time.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:56 amHe was also probably the second-biggest "JJJ is bad" voice behind Epi.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:50 amBullshit.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:41 am I voted for speedchuck to make reactions happen. I can't read him right now and wanted to talk about him.
I voted for Wilgy because I liked chuck's respinse. I still think Jay coukd have been putting distance between himself and teammate wilgy.
I voted for Jay because he was bad. Jack is tinfoiling hard against me.
You were waffley. "I don't know what's going on."
Wilgy is not w/w with all the other baddies. Why would they push Wilgy early and stay there if he was their teammate? Why not just bus Jimmy?
I'd be more likely to believe you had a nervous tick that caused you to place bad votes than this.
Sloonei is bad. (Along with the other four of his two teammates).
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I don't know. I was the 5th or 6th vote on him.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:05 am Sloonei did you move back to JJJ before or after I did?
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Are we gonna try to lynch me again?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:05 amYet he saved Jimmy once and attempted to do it a second time.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:56 amHe was also probably the second-biggest "JJJ is bad" voice behind Epi.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:50 amBullshit.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:41 am I voted for speedchuck to make reactions happen. I can't read him right now and wanted to talk about him.
I voted for Wilgy because I liked chuck's respinse. I still think Jay coukd have been putting distance between himself and teammate wilgy.
I voted for Jay because he was bad. Jack is tinfoiling hard against me.
You were waffley. "I don't know what's going on."
Wilgy is not w/w with all the other baddies. Why would they push Wilgy early and stay there if he was their teammate? Why not just bus Jimmy?
I'd be more likely to believe you had a nervous tick that caused you to place bad votes than this.
Sloonei is bad. (Along with the other four of his two teammates).
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He's not an easy man to lynch.dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:03 amI believe you about Jay, Sloonei. Empathy united.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:58 amOkay, go ahead. I don't feel like defending myself over this. I started the day 3 push against Jay but bailed to Mesk because I felt bad about it on a personal level. I was on Jay for the entire day yesterday except for a 2 hour stretch where my confidence wavered a little bit and I wanted to check the pulse of the thread. Then I went back to Jay because he was my clear cut top suspect. If you want to actually read my posts I think you can trace how my thoughts developed over time. I doubt myself a lot. I can't help it. I'm not going to apologize for that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:50 amBullshit.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:41 am I voted for speedchuck to make reactions happen. I can't read him right now and wanted to talk about him.
I voted for Wilgy because I liked chuck's respinse. I still think Jay coukd have been putting distance between himself and teammate wilgy.
I voted for Jay because he was bad. Jack is tinfoiling hard against me.
You were waffley. "I don't know what's going on."
Wilgy is not w/w with all the other baddies. Why would they push Wilgy early and stay there if he was their teammate? Why not just bus Jimmy?
I'd be more likely to believe you had a nervous tick that caused you to place bad votes than this.
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Sorry I don't mean to be rude to you. I have nothing against you personally. But you are not gonna accomplish anything if you spend the game complaining about how we are treating you unfairly and not waiting for you to come back and not giving you time to read the thread and whatnot.malakim2099 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:57 am...Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:54 amStop whining about votes that haven't even been made and start hunting scum.malakim2099 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:52 am Well, I freely admit to being suckered.
Though I will say when you lynch me tomorrow you are gonna be very disappointed.
And yeah, I don't know if there's a term for getting suckered into playing defense but that's how I feel atm.
Fuck you. I am.
Its Night 4. We need to read you. Your slot was part of a 3-way lynch that ended up killing a confirmed civ and saving a confirmed bad. We need to figure out where you stand in that, and the only way to do that is reading your posts and figuring out if you are helping or not.
So if you need more time, it's fine. Its just a game. Nobody will be mad and we understand you are a replacement. But don't ask us to stop trying to read your alignment while we wait for you. We will do that whether you are caught up or not.
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I'm still not voting for malakim any time soon.
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You got time.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:06 amAre we gonna try to lynch me again?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:05 amYet he saved Jimmy once and attempted to do it a second time.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:56 amHe was also probably the second-biggest "JJJ is bad" voice behind Epi.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:50 amBullshit.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:41 am I voted for speedchuck to make reactions happen. I can't read him right now and wanted to talk about him.
I voted for Wilgy because I liked chuck's respinse. I still think Jay coukd have been putting distance between himself and teammate wilgy.
I voted for Jay because he was bad. Jack is tinfoiling hard against me.
You were waffley. "I don't know what's going on."
Wilgy is not w/w with all the other baddies. Why would they push Wilgy early and stay there if he was their teammate? Why not just bus Jimmy?
I'd be more likely to believe you had a nervous tick that caused you to place bad votes than this.
Sloonei is bad. (Along with the other four of his two teammates).
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I've liked quin's tone for most of the game. I think his behavior has been "questionable" in a lot of the same ways as mine, but I believe I can see why he's doing the things that he's doing. He has his own methods of hunting.
Quin and Jay are the players I know best on the Syndicate. As such I can usually tone read them within the first day or two with decent confidence. Quin has fooled me before.
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Yeah I'm trying to figure out who was already there before me. I think you were 5th because I saw you, Epi, and nutella and liked that a lot more than jack, mal, kyle. Meaning it was DDL, speed, Epi, nutella, you on JJJ vs Eloh, Mal, LC, Jack, Kyle, myself on speed when I switched.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:06 amI don't know. I was the 5th or 6th vote on him.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:05 am Sloonei did you move back to JJJ before or after I did?
Initially I was the first.
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I think Jay would have preferred that his teammates bus him yesterday, and this information definitely would have been communicated to them. Not emphatically, but enough to put some space between themselves. He would have urged his teammates not to put themselves in the line of fire to save him, unless they're playing the game purely for WIFOM points.
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Oh right, yeah i remember you commenting that you liked the Jay voters best and felt a twinge of pride because that included me.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:31 amYeah I'm trying to figure out who was already there before me. I think you were 5th because I saw you, Epi, and nutella and liked that a lot more than jack, mal, kyle. Meaning it was DDL, speed, Epi, nutella, you on JJJ vs Eloh, Mal, LC, Jack, Kyle, myself on speed when I switched.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:06 amI don't know. I was the 5th or 6th vote on him.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:05 am Sloonei did you move back to JJJ before or after I did?
Initially I was the first.
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So you're not bad but you saved Jimmy, who was.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:28 amI've liked quin's tone for most of the game. I think his behavior has been "questionable" in a lot of the same ways as mine, but I believe I can see why he's doing the things that he's doing. He has his own methods of hunting.
Quin and Jay are the players I know best on the Syndicate. As such I can usually tone read them within the first day or two with decent confidence. Quin has fooled me before.
And you're saying you're unwilling to vote for the two players most likely to be bad with Jay, the two players who would be your teammates if you were bad?
Sloonei. My birthday isn't until July.
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Bob voted Jay before Sloonei ftr.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:52 amSo you're not bad but you saved Jimmy, who was.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:28 amI've liked quin's tone for most of the game. I think his behavior has been "questionable" in a lot of the same ways as mine, but I believe I can see why he's doing the things that he's doing. He has his own methods of hunting.
Quin and Jay are the players I know best on the Syndicate. As such I can usually tone read them within the first day or two with decent confidence. Quin has fooled me before.
And you're saying you're unwilling to vote for the two players most likely to be bad with Jay, the two players who would be your teammates if you were bad?
Sloonei. My birthday isn't until July.
Jay's nightmare scenario yesterday was having his teammates try to save him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:32 am I think Jay would have preferred that his teammates bus him yesterday, and this information definitely would have been communicated to them. Not emphatically, but enough to put some space between themselves. He would have urged his teammates not to put themselves in the line of fire to save him, unless they're playing the game purely for WIFOM points.
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Thoughts before I'm out the rest of the day:
I'm almost positive one of the people who voted JJJ after me is mafia. Tinfoiling Jack real hard right now for this push on Sloonei.
Lean town on dunya. I think teammate JJJ is smart enough to not be the only vote on somebody with her.
One of Eloh/mal/LC is also likely mafia. Don't need to elaborate on the first two, Jack/LC feel slightly w/w but the D1 agreement is over the top if so.
I'm almost positive one of the people who voted JJJ after me is mafia. Tinfoiling Jack real hard right now for this push on Sloonei.
Lean town on dunya. I think teammate JJJ is smart enough to not be the only vote on somebody with her.
One of Eloh/mal/LC is also likely mafia. Don't need to elaborate on the first two, Jack/LC feel slightly w/w but the D1 agreement is over the top if so.
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Also feel pretty good about everybody on JJJ before me, although speed gets the least bump up because self-preservation. Still he's not atop my suspect list any longer.
You know what I'm doing with JJJ's ISOs? Totally ignoring them. Way too WIFOMy for me to get any real info.
You know what I'm doing with JJJ's ISOs? Totally ignoring them. Way too WIFOMy for me to get any real info.
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That's aimed at Sloonei btw.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
Imo knowing Speed's alignment would break this game open but I'm not lynching him just for that.
Mal goes first. Then probably Quin.
I'm focused on Sloonei but don't mistake him for my top baddie read.
Mal goes first. Then probably Quin.
I'm focused on Sloonei but don't mistake him for my top baddie read.
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I am not exaggerating when I say the number of games Jay and I have played together is probably in the triple digits at this point. I know how he plays. You can listen to me or you can continue to tinfoil me and lynch me for the second time this game.
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why malakim?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:33 pm Imo knowing Speed's alignment would break this game open but I'm not lynching him just for that.
Mal goes first. Then probably Quin.
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Not wanting to pull off the band-aid?
Good job everyone.
What do we think of LC? He was early to adopt the J3 suspicion last cycle but voted Speed. I recall thinking he was bad previous and now something isn't sitting right.
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I don't recall adopting the JJJ suspicion. Are you sure your memories of that are accurate?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
Who would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.
Fair enough. At 1 AM last night, that's what my vote was for. Though I was glad that it was Jay instead of Wilgy.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:21 pm Also feel pretty good about everybody on JJJ before me, although speed gets the least bump up because self-preservation. Still he's not atop my suspect list any longer.
You know what I'm doing with JJJ's ISOs? Totally ignoring them. Way too WIFOMy for me to get any real info.
Cbob and DDL are probably bigger townreads for me than most of the playerbase. And now I feel justified in not going back and making a case on Cbob. All is right with the world.
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That's because the line of thinking is backwards here. I can't stress this enough: Jay would have preferred to be bussed rather than saved yesterday.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pmWho would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.
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You right. Idk what made me think you agreed with it. Bad feeling about LC absolved.
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Actually, let me go take a look at the almost Sloonei lynch (calling votes should be a requirement).Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:33 pmI am not exaggerating when I say the number of games Jay and I have played together is probably in the triple digits at this point. I know how he plays. You can listen to me or you can continue to tinfoil me and lynch me for the second time this game.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
And things didn't go his way. Votes ended up on Malakim, on me, on Wilgy. Votes ended up back on JJJ. I think it's likely that one of those was scum, and that the momentum went that way before JJJ could stop it. That, combined with the previous day (and my knowledge about my own role) points to malakim.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pmThat's because the line of thinking is backwards here. I can't stress this enough: Jay would have preferred to be bussed rather than saved yesterday.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pmWho would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.
But you still didn't answer my question.
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The main case on Jimmy was that he didn't suspect Mesk but voted to save DoMalakim. Why would a scum player save a townie at the cost of making himself look so bad he got lynched?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:34 pmwhy malakim?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:33 pm Imo knowing Speed's alignment would break this game open but I'm not lynching him just for that.
Mal goes first. Then probably Quin.
I'm focused on Sloonei but don't mistake him for my top baddie read.
If Amal wasn't Jimmy's teammate, we would have lynched Dom instead of Mesk.
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i'm currently working on an answer in a separate post.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:56 pmAnd things didn't go his way. Votes ended up on Malakim, on me, on Wilgy. Votes ended up back on JJJ. I think it's likely that one of those was scum, and that the momentum went that way before JJJ could stop it. That, combined with the previous day (and my knowledge about my own role) points to malakim.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pmThat's because the line of thinking is backwards here. I can't stress this enough: Jay would have preferred to be bussed rather than saved yesterday.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pmWho would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.
But you still didn't answer my question.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
I do not see it that way. The votes had shifted a number of times between the moment of Dom's lead in the poll and the moment of Mesk's emergence as a candidate. Prior to the Mesk wagon beginning, Elohcin and Jay were the leading candidates, at least in terms of momentum in the thread if not also in the poll (I don't remember exactly where all the votes were). Dom was old news by the time Mesk was lynched.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:58 pmThe main case on Jimmy was that he didn't suspect Mesk but voted to save DoMalakim. Why would a scum player save a townie at the cost of making himself look so bad he got lynched?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:34 pmwhy malakim?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:33 pm Imo knowing Speed's alignment would break this game open but I'm not lynching him just for that.
Mal goes first. Then probably Quin.
I'm focused on Sloonei but don't mistake him for my top baddie read.
If Amal wasn't Jimmy's teammate, we would have lynched Dom instead of Mesk.
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pmThat's because the line of thinking is backwards here. I can't stress this enough: Jay would have preferred to be bussed rather than saved yesterday.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pmWho would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
I don't think DDL and Jack have as much experience with scum Jay. How many times has completed a scum game on here? (I don't count the SF game since he got replaced Day 1)Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pmThat's because the line of thinking is backwards here. I can't stress this enough: Jay would have preferred to be bussed rather than saved yesterday.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pmWho would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]
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I am hesitant to submit anything in this post as evidence. All of this puke is presumably stuff that he came up with prior to his entry into the game, so I take it to not be alignment-indicative. I wouldn't be surprised if he had this all typed up before even looking at his rolecard. If pressed to say something, I'd argue that his LC stance could be some very early distancing between partners. That's a relationship I'm inclined to keep an eye on as I work through this.
"I actually was just looking at your ISO." It's worth pointing out that Jay would go on to reverse his stance on bob's "early poop fling" at me during his Day 4 ISOs. Jay was definitely going for wifom all day yesterday, and distance is better than closeness for him. I'll be keeping a tab on Jay and the Colonel now too. I think he would have been more inclined to angle for civilian lynches upon his entry, but as soon as he was put on the hot seat, Jay started to want to leave no trail between his teammates and himself. This complete 180 on Bob's early behavior is something that catches my eye, as is his spinning the early parts of a case against DDL in the same post. Good look for the Dragon, bad for the Bob.
nutella asks for reads on all the s-names. He paints sig negatively for being absent. I could go either way on that, but my gut tells me that's a good look for sig. I think Jay was careful not to get my attention one way or another in this game. It started with a soft favorable read here. I think he gave daisy a good read because it was impossible not to. He makes a direct observation about speedchuck and marks it as a good one. I don't know what to make of this now, but I'm noting it exists. I think sprityo/dunya was Jay's early scapegoat, and I bought into it. It started here. A very easy target to spin a mislynch against. I'll call this a good look for dunya.
Craps out a "default suspect" read on Dom/malakim mid-Day 2. I'm not disinclined to believe that there is a low-poster on the scum team, but each time Jay names one of them as a suspect I feel better about that player. He surely would have been willing to bus any of these folks, though. This read is noteworthy because he went through the trouble of researching past games in order to present it. That's a lot of effort to spin a teammate as bad when he doesn't need to.
There then ensues a conversation between Jay and sprit in which Jay continually tries to bury sprit in the case against him. I've already cited this exchange as a key part of my suspicion against Jay and I won't rehash it here for the sake of neatness. sprit/dunya is a town read for me.
I had the same reaction to DDL's post. I think Jay's hands were tied here. That emotional response from DDL is too authentic to be read as suspicious, and Jay knows it. I saw some evidence that he was trying to worm his way into suspecting DDL earlier, but that goes out the window here. Townie points for DDL.
Indirect defense of me by way of supporting my case against Elohcin. I think the strength with which Jay would go on to pursue an Eloh lynch looks good for her. I described her as "low hanging fruit" at the time and I stand by that assessment. He was trying to lynch a player who very few people are confident about.
Engaged with colonialbob regarding his suspicion of me. There's not a whole lot for me to read here. Others might get more out of this post since I am the subject of it, but to me this is clearly more of Jay trying to avoid provoking me without doing anything to seriously impede my lynch. Again, I'm unsure what to make of colonialbob's involvement here, but he remains a person of interest for the reason I mentioned earlier in this post.
Then follows a string of posts about sprityo, all unfavorable. Sticking to my town read there. Jay's just trying to bury an easy lynch target.
This interaction will be more enlightening when I take a closer look at the other side of it, but for now I'll note it here as another fluffy exchange between Jay and colonialbob. This is I believe the third instance of the two of them exchanging thoughts without much in the way of critical examination of one another. Jay is poking at bob's case against me, but without really making any observations about bob in the process. Bob is starting to prod Jay on his thinking near the deadline. I'll have to see how he followed up on this in his larger body of work later.
A big long theory centered around Jack's behavior at the EoD2. This feels like GenericObservationalJimmyJay. I don't read much into Jack here and I maintain the town read that I have on him entering this exercise.
More GenericJimmyJay. I continue to struggle to read these interactions with colonialbob. At least here Jay gives the appearance of critically analyzing him.
A two-parter. The first part features his first stance one way or the other on bob, and it's "not a town read". This came after my big case on bob. Jay seems to have readily accepted my angle without hesitation. I could go either way on Bob here, and I wish I'd pressured Jay for a more in depth read here.
The second part of this post looks good for speedchuck, IMO. He gives a few short reads and Jay wonders what purpose the serve. I think their purpose is self-evident. Looks like he's reaching to smear speedchuck.
Out of left field, here's a small wilgy ISO. Jay comes out of it with an unfavorable view of the doctor. I've noted that I could see this relationship being a bus job, but I do not have to see it that way. It is difficult to determine one way or another from this post. wilgy was a background candidate at this point, and one who's always easy to pin a suspicion to. For that he could be another low-hanging fruit that Jay is trying to pick. I don't remember any substantial pressure mounting against wilgy in the aftermath of this.
The tone of this post is much more cordial than his interactions with sprit earlier. Granted, we're not in the middle of a tightly contested lynch at this point, but Jay appears much more forgiving of sig's absence and frustration at being named a suspect than he was with sprit. If sprit/dunya is a town read, I remain inclined to label sig as a scum read on the opposite end of that spectrum. Jay's pressure of sig feels like token suspicion, not an earnest effort to gather votes.
I completely agree with everything Jay said in his ISO of Quin. That terrifies me. Possible he was hoping to pocket Quin, or at least avoid rustling his feathers. Or it's possible they're teammates and this is a super slick move. Still, when I have to make a decision on Quin, I find that my suspicion of him depends upon leaping down multiple rabbit holes. To read him as town, I just have to look at his posts and find them agreeable, which I do.
Jay and Bob continue to talk about me even though I'm pretty sure they'd both come out on my side at this point (maybe? it's unclear to me when exactly bob reversed his position). Knowing that this whole exchange is more or less frivolous from Jay's perspective, I'm also forced to wonder about it from Bob's. Could be similar to my tinfoil theory about Jay and Quin above, wherein they pump the thread full of faux-authentic (fauxthentic) discussion so as to appear un-aligned. But, again, tinfoil. This would involve less tinfoil, though, as Jay and Bob have a pre-established topic of discussion (yo) to center their conversation around.
I'm gonna post this now and continue in another post, just for the sake of getting it out there and for my increasing worry that I'm gonna experience a technical glitch and lose all of this at some point.
I'm only halfway through this exercise, but at this moment the three names I'm most inclined to put forth as potential teammates of Jay's are: Long Con, sig, and colonialbob.
The player who is definitely town based on these interactions is: Epignosis.
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Here he is after setting up sig and sprit as viable candidates a few posts earlier, now setting up the premise of voting a low-poster as viable. Extending my good vobes on sig and dunya. I'm a bit more cautious with those vibes on sig of the two, because he's been the more absent and he didn't end up receiving Jay's full attention. That could be a legitimate bus job.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:35 pm A lynch of a low poster has the most merit in a scenario wherein the high posters read each other mostly as civilians -- it's POE. In this scenario I think it's a reasonable option, as the one notable "high poster" suspicion I have to offer is Long Con. I'm with family for turkey time today but ought to be able to investigate ideal low-poster options later.
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Craps out a "default suspect" read on Dom/malakim mid-Day 2. I'm not disinclined to believe that there is a low-poster on the scum team, but each time Jay names one of them as a suspect I feel better about that player. He surely would have been willing to bus any of these folks, though. This read is noteworthy because he went through the trouble of researching past games in order to present it. That's a lot of effort to spin a teammate as bad when he doesn't need to.
For some reason that I'm struggling to articulate, I feel like sig is the black sheep in this batch of low-posting suspects. Jay went after sprit the hardest, and his effort on the Dom post above also suggests an active desire to induce suspicion in the thread. Sig was a name he regularly mentioned, but I don't recall ever seeing a concerted effort to lynch him like the others. Just lame prods like this one.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm I have no reason to read sig as a civilian.
This is the most substantive post in his history, and it's a bit of a hedge with regard to Epi and LC. He's positioned to do whatever he wants with regard to that feud.
There then ensues a conversation between Jay and sprit in which Jay continually tries to bury sprit in the case against him. I've already cited this exchange as a key part of my suspicion against Jay and I won't rehash it here for the sake of neatness. sprit/dunya is a town read for me.
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He backs Quin's "Sloonei isn't here" argument late in Day 2. I was not here. That's not fair. Don't know what to make of Quin's involvement in this exchange. I think this is more of Jay trying to avoid my attention. He's trying to figure out why I have votes while putting soft defenses on me, but he's not working too hard to prevent the lynch from happening. I don't know what to make of Quin's involvement in this exchange.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:08 amThat's fair. With two hours remaining and a tally lead I would expect more fire. What's up with dat Sloonbeard?Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:48 pm I've moved to Sloonei. He's not ticking the boxes that I feel should be ticked. This is the time where Sloonei should be spamming the hell out of this thread to both prove himself and set-up legacy reads, but I get a very lackluster feel from these recent posts.
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Then follows a string of posts about sprityo, all unfavorable. Sticking to my town read there. Jay's just trying to bury an easy lynch target.
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Quin wants to be ISO'd, Jay promises to get to it. These two would be a juicy scum pairing, and I think they'd embrace the chance to be a crafty duo in the thread. Ordinarily I'd read this sort of interaction as not being indicative of scum partners, but with these two I could see them deliberately putting this association out in the open for the sake of distance.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:04 amThanks for the reminder, bae. I'll get to it. For the moment I think you look alright -- I appreciate the reversal on Sloonei when he put up the colonialbob case.
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The second part of this post looks good for speedchuck, IMO. He gives a few short reads and Jay wonders what purpose the serve. I think their purpose is self-evident. Looks like he's reaching to smear speedchuck.
I just want to note here that I could sense the gears turning in Quin's head as he tried to read me. For that, I give him town points. But I'm still hesitant to read these interactions with Jay as being anti-teammate indicative. I could see them conspiring to put a conversation like this into the thread. This is tinfoil though.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:33 amI would expect to see a concerted effort from Sloonei to lynch someone else so that the lynch stop doesn't have to be used -- more than just self-defense spam if that's what you mean. I would say that Sloonei pushed for a sprityo lynch at the very end.
Out of left field, here's a small wilgy ISO. Jay comes out of it with an unfavorable view of the doctor. I've noted that I could see this relationship being a bus job, but I do not have to see it that way. It is difficult to determine one way or another from this post. wilgy was a background candidate at this point, and one who's always easy to pin a suspicion to. For that he could be another low-hanging fruit that Jay is trying to pick. I don't remember any substantial pressure mounting against wilgy in the aftermath of this.
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I completely agree with everything Jay said in his ISO of Quin. That terrifies me. Possible he was hoping to pocket Quin, or at least avoid rustling his feathers. Or it's possible they're teammates and this is a super slick move. Still, when I have to make a decision on Quin, I find that my suspicion of him depends upon leaping down multiple rabbit holes. To read him as town, I just have to look at his posts and find them agreeable, which I do.
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I'm gonna post this now and continue in another post, just for the sake of getting it out there and for my increasing worry that I'm gonna experience a technical glitch and lose all of this at some point.
I'm only halfway through this exercise, but at this moment the three names I'm most inclined to put forth as potential teammates of Jay's are: Long Con, sig, and colonialbob.
The player who is definitely town based on these interactions is: Epignosis.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
I'm not sure. This is the first time Jay and I have been aligned opposite each other since RYM. The only other scum game of his I've witnessed on The Syndicate was Street Fighter, when we were partners for all of 24 hours.dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:13 pmI don't think DDL and Jack have as much experience with scum Jay. How many times has completed a scum game on here? (I don't count the SF game since he got replaced Day 1)Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pmThat's because the line of thinking is backwards here. I can't stress this enough: Jay would have preferred to be bussed rather than saved yesterday.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pmWho would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
This is the first time I ever see scum jay.dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:13 pmI don't think DDL and Jack have as much experience with scum Jay. How many times has completed a scum game on here? (I don't count the SF game since he got replaced Day 1)Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pmThat's because the line of thinking is backwards here. I can't stress this enough: Jay would have preferred to be bussed rather than saved yesterday.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 pmWho would you want to vote for if you could right now? Because this page is just you taking Jay's most likely teammates and throwing them in the trash.
I feel a sense of accomplishment.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
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I'll also note that this is being based off of LC's investigative work, but I don't know what to do with that information at the moment.
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Alright folks, here comes a power read! Strap yourselves in for this blistering hot take! Are you ready? dunya is... off to a good start. Alright. The lack of strength in this read suggests to me that Jay didn't want to totally close the door on a dunya/sprityo lynch yet, but he had not choice but to pull back from his previous stance. dunya remains a town read.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:21 pm Power read of the day: in 4 hours, dunya has nearly quadrupled the post count of her player slot (in combination with sprityo). That's a good start. Even considering the capacity for a replacement to enter a game with pre-structured reads, that is not the kind of introductory pace I typically see from a replacement mafioso. The only counter-example I can recall is Quin in Mad Max.
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After this came the GTH exercise. I'll skip over it for now. There's certainly some juicy content there, but I think it deserves its own scrutiny separate from this post.
At this point I'll note that Jay has made zero mentions of Glorfindelnamehere.
Jack was up Jay's keister about his alleged results of the GTH exercise. Good look for Jack.
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No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 amIf the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.
Elohcin ISO. I've already stated my grievance with this post. I am buying none of what Jay is selling and this was the tipping point for me. Elohcin's post history provides an opportunistic scum with plenty of things to cherrypick as "inconsistencies" and that's exactly what Jay did here. Leaning town on Eloh, but not completely as I am not willing to rule out the possibility that there was some potential for a bus here. Eloh's been remarking about her sickness and fatigue for most of the game, and she hasn't been totally without suspicion against her. It's possible she could have granted her hypothetical teammates permission to throw her under behind the scenes. But my gut tells me she's town.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:32 am DrWilgy, why the vote for Lurker B when Lurker A is already solidly in the lead?
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A couple of generic prods for the doctor. I don't get much out of this, but i'm being thorough so I'll make a note of them. These posts exist.
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I almost read this post as a sigh of relief. Jay is happy that a new suspect is being submitted to the conversation. It would be super ballsy for Quin to do this deliberately if he and Jay are partners. I'm not ruling it out completely, but my immediate inclination is to say that it's unlikely.
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Oh look, an ISO. Jay comes out "
Leaning town, with reservations" on bob. I am hesitant to dive too deeply into any of these ISOs he presented on Day 4. They were complete wifom factories. I suspect at least one teammate was ISO'd and the entirety of Jay's post history suggests to me that Bob is a teammate of his. And, at the risk of drowning in the aforementioned wifom, I get the sense when I read this ISO that the bad should outweigh the good, but I've got severe tunnel vision on Bob at this point.
wilgy ISO, comes out naming him as a suspect. Again, wifom factory. This exercise overall has me feeling more good about wilgy than bad, but that's not an extremely strong stance.
His other ISOs on Day 4 were malakim (inconclusive) and speedchuck (inconclusive, but leaning unfavorably). I am still hesitant to do anything firm with any of Jay's Day 4 activity, but I want these ISOs to be acknowledged at the very least. He gave us four ISOs of four players who've been on the fringes of suspicion and the only solid read he presented was on wilgy.
After going through all of Jay's posts, I feel like the player with the most evidence against them in these posts alone is colonialbob. I'm open to hearing what others have to say, of course, and the next step is to analyze the individual players for their interactions with Jay. cbob would be my first target, and I'd also be inclined to look at Long Con. I won't do any of that right now as my batteries need recharging and I had other plans for this afternoon than this.
I'd appreciate feedback, but I don't expect anyone to read all of the words I just typed. Colonialbob is back to being my top suspect.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
Thanks for doing all that, Sloonei. I agree with a lot of your assessment, especially regarding the wifom factory ISOs. I'd be willing to look into a cbob lynch, or possibly LC. Wilgy, Sig, and Malakim are also somewhere on the table for me, as is Quin still. I feel mostly good about speedchuck but again, wifom factory.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
Yeah looking again at Jay's ISO of Quin, I'm super wary of the possibility of their scheming buddy status, but that's kind of in the realm of tinfoil (can I get a wifom deluxe with cheese, hold the iocane). Jay's ISO came across as pretty neutral but still ending in a civ read of Quin, and I just have to wonder... I'm more hesitant to go after Quin right away, but maybe that's what they wanted? Aaaa well cbob definitely seems like the safer bet right now.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
According to himself he was one of the main forces in restarting the Jay lynch.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
Dubious and borderline irrelevant given my concern that Jay was primed for a bus.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:14 pmAccording to himself he was one of the main forces in restarting the Jay lynch.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?
where has he made this bold claim?
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