The Syndicate

Well in my forum when the host can't find a replacement they just kill the player.

I reckon this might not happen here.

3 replacements isn't too hard to find though. It is done eventually.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:09 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:04 pm I think voting for people who didn't even post is a waste. They are likely to get replaced eventually. We learn next to nothing from those lynches.
I kinda disagree.

Mass Effect was partially determined by some weak replacement of townies.

I had a hell of a hard time finding mafia in the last Hybridity game as two of the four mafia members replaced out and basically got to skate for ~4 phases.

With 24 hour phases, is a prompt replacement realistic?

Who's lynch so you think we'd learn the most from at this point? Already knowing my alignment and having not tied any two other players together, a silent lynch tells me roughly the same thing as any other, that is "the alignment of a player."

Of course, there's stuff yet to be learned in the actual choosing of a specific player.
+1. Phenom as well. I think DDL isn't making a distinction between pairing the inactives and getting information.

An inactive lynch is perfectly acceptable, from even just watching champs and the few other places I've played, if you don't really learn a lot from other lynches. If all your choices are low info lynches, lynch the inactive.

DDL if you want us to lynch an non inactive, tell me which lynch you think nets us the most information?

Anybody who is actually posting so the interactions between them and other players actually give us clues.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:54 pm @all if you had to lynch DDL or JoH which one?

@all if you had to lynch TSP, Dom or Mac which one?

DDL, is JoH on your team?

What a weird question. Trying to make me scumslip or smh?

I don't know.

Id go with Dom because Ive scumread Mac right once and could do it again, while I dont know the other guy and would like to get to.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:22 pm Day 1 votes are the most WIFOMy lynches ever usually takes like 3 votes anyway. On top of that no posters probably haven't evolved or won't evolve.

So even if they're town, not only will they screw up EOD, we're gonna spend most of the game underpowered.

Also, DDL, your answer avoided the question. I said who, not theoretically who. Who do you wish to lynch, Boo Wilgy, Jack, or LC, and what do you think theIR flip will tell you in day 2?

I don't know that answer. Would depend on who votes to whom.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:23 pm Or what does a Timmer lynch flip tell you?

Will depend on how he defends himself, who defends him, who attacks him, how they attack him.

There is a whole argument that can sprinkle from a Timmer lynch since he's here to defend himself. And there are people who may have read his posts and read him as town, or want to pretend to read him as town.

With an inactive, there is no argument. We just lynch our inactive of choice, and go home peacefully.

Among the four you listed I'd lynch LC, because the other three I feel good about right now.

Ok what's up with this load of questions? Geez.

The read is as strong as I said it was.

22 minutes left.

Hey guys Tony claimed it. Epi is gonna modkill him but let's not do Epi's job for him. Lynch someone else.

Besides he claimed what is probably the strongest pokemon in town. At least videogame-wise.

My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm Isn't cute subjective? Is that really considered claiming? Not a lot of experience with no role claim games, so it's a legit question, not a lawyering question.

He literally named the pokemon. It's Gible. It evolves into this cute thing:

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:58 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.
I've seen the opposite to be true, null town slots always stay around because of these built in arguments.

So you're arguing Epi will just choose not to replace them?

Also another thing I've forgotten to mention: lurker lynches on d1 are incredibly rare.

People like to lynch people they actually suspect.

@Boo

Nah it's just a shark.

Pokemon is a game for all the family.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:01 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:59 pm
Fredwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:58 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 pm My opinion with the inactive issue is that if they don't come by day 2 the host should just kill them all.

Epi will probably not do it, but he will probably replace them, and statistically it's not that hard to get 2 people. When he does, everything goes to normal.

Lynching them now is rushing things. Heck, it's a easy way for mafia to get a vote without having to confront anyone, which they hate. They don't even have to justify this vote.
I've seen the opposite to be true, null town slots always stay around because of these built in arguments.
So you're arguing Epi will just choose not to replace them?
I tend not to talk about mod activity, it's viewed as bad form at other places, so as a policy I try to avoid it and just depend on our ability to solve the game ourselves. But, as a mod, I know how hard it is to find a replacement.

I am too. I've hosted 9 games.

2 replacements is doable.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:42 am I haven't got a great read on anyone yet. Still trying to familiarise myself with the users/players. Day 1 doesn't really tell you much anyway.

Pm thyme.

Nobody has a great read on anyone, to be fair. Those who say they do might be fooling you. We just try our best.

Hey Gman do you still do those vote analysis thingies?

I like Boo

Not sure if he is good or bad, but I like him. He plays the way I do.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:10 pm I personally am not particularly impressed with Boo right now. He's twisting everything into an interpretation that fits his preconceived notion that I must be bad, and he keeps twisting beyond recognition what I have said about what I think baddie motives would do, when I have clearly explained why everything I have done makes total sense with civ motives. I was going to give my votes to Speed or LC anyway since I have been getting strong civ vibes from them; they just decided to make it into some official thing that I'm benefitting from by getting two evo points tonight. I'm happy to agree to that, because I think my role could be a pretty helpful one when it evolves. I have made no explicit promises to stay in their exchange for more than two nights, but I might if I continue to trust them. Boo has been willfully misinterpreting everything I have said on this topic.

That is so me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:17 pm I missed a good chunk of yesterday's end of day. Can I get a brief on what the Timmer case was? I'm assuming there wasn't one on Jack.

Made a weird post sort of criticizing people who asked for votes then vanished. Seems to be putting minimal effort. Probably legit busy irl but the combination above made me sus him.

Well thats why I voted not sure about others. I feel there were people riding on my bandwagon for questionable reasons.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:28 pm To clarify, by "people" you mean Fred and Tony?

Tony was town. Are you saying Fred's vote was questionable?

I'm just stating a feeling I have in the back of my head. I need to actually look at the votes to elaborate further than that.

This argument has turned stupid fast.

If neither of you want to prove anything, it is over.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:52 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:14 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:10 pm I like Boo

Not sure if he is good or bad, but I like him. He plays the way I do.
Impressed by him am I as well.
To both of you, why and how?

He thinks like my civ meta.

He is aggressive and doesn't seen to care whether people are reading him bad or not. He just picked a target and wants to take her down. He seems to be showing confirmation bias, which is a sign of an error but not of bad alignment.

He saw the cooperation plan as suspicious and trying to find scum among the ones making it.

Mafia tends to have a sense of self-image imo, they don't pick fights that will make them look worse.

I'm not sure if I agree with his posts, but I think he is making them from a civ perspective.

And yes I'm aware that it means my civ meta is kind of stupid sometimes (though other times it works).

@Jack

Turns out I didn't actually suspect the people who voted with me. Rather, I mistook them for the ones making a whole bunch of fishy votes last phase:

Timmer (temporary)
DF
Tinky
Eloh
Dizzy
Sprityo
Gman

It's so many I can't even begin to think where to look first.

Wow I almost voted for Jack.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:10 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:49 pm Interesting result. Not a very strategic kill. I suspect it's someone with experience playing against Jack.

RIP.
Odd what makes you say this?

@DDL, why are you so unsure of his alignment then if you thinks it comes from a civ perspective?

My opinion is not a constant.

Snover, Munchlax, Riolu, Inkay and Mewoth only have 1 evolution.

Mew and Mewtwo have none.

Eevee has eigth, but it can only pick one and then that's it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:04 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:10 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:49 pm Interesting result. Not a very strategic kill. I suspect it's someone with experience playing against Jack.

RIP.
Odd what makes you say this?

@DDL, why are you so unsure of his alignment then if you thinks it comes from a civ perspective?
My opinion is not a constant.
But what changed?

I read a couple more posts from him and my impression changed a bit?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:14 pm So nobody can go more than two. Same principle holds.

Unless there are mega evolutions in the game.

(but I saw no mention of them)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:25 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:04 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:10 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:49 pm Interesting result. Not a very strategic kill. I suspect it's someone with experience playing against Jack.

RIP.
Odd what makes you say this?

@DDL, why are you so unsure of his alignment then if you thinks it comes from a civ perspective?
My opinion is not a constant.
But what changed?
I read a couple more posts from him and my impression changed a bit?

Ok let me elaborate because I know youll ask.

I already had an impression he was coming from a civ perspective but was being careful about trusting my own read. I'm still not sure about trusting it, but that impression of civ has gotten stronger.

There are plenty of people who honestly believe in NK analysis. I'd say more than the ones who don't.

I'm voting Timmer partly because he hasn't done much to improve my view on him from the past day, and partly because I don't wanna lynch Boo.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:05 pm DDL, can you tell me in short the single glaring issue of why timmer is the better lynch candidate?

There isn't a big one, but he is barely playing the game at all. And I think Boo is a civ so I don't feel bad voting Timmer to save him.

I'm more suspicious of a player who posts but doesn't add anything than one who doesn't post at all. The later is just completely busy 99% of thew time. The former may be a little busy, but often they are mafia just coasting.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:50 pm Insult to injury- timmer's lynch confirms that all three of the Day 1 lynch trains were civvies. That will actually help me during my re-read. RIP Timmer. Looks my Day 0 vote was wasted after all.

Which is pretty ironic considering you abstained.

Some bits

Tink is so aggressively apathetic I want to lynch him/her just for that. The whole whing days zero about their alignment though, unfortunately.

G-man seems detatched. Im having a bad feeling about him.

Boo... I still want to believe in my read, but this lynch has forced me to evaluate it, and some of his posts do seem forced. Some players are just weird though, I dunno.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:36 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:21 pm Some bits

Tink is so aggressively apathetic I want to lynch him/her just for that. The whole whing days zero about their alignment though, unfortunately.

G-man seems detatched. Im having a bad feeling about him.

Boo... I still want to believe in my read, but this lynch has forced me to evaluate it, and some of his posts do seem forced. Some players are just weird though, I dunno.
If by distracted you mean sneaking the start of a mafia game in behind the wife's back on a weekend and working 11-hour days ever since, while trying to read the game and take notes when I have a spare minute or two (not to mention using my entire lunch break to read while shoveling calories into my mouth), only to go home and sneak mafia in behind the wife's back before and after the kids go to bed... Yeah, you got me.

Thing is, I'm trying to distringuish between signs of you being busy and signs of you not wanting to contribute with the greater scumhunting goal. Baddies get busy IRL too.

And I've never seen bad Gman. This could be the first time...

I know it's annoying when players suspect you for not posting when you have been busy. I've been there. But I can't help it. From my side, there is nothing I can do but analyse your behavior, from a completely uninformed standpoint. Please don't be offended by it.

Btw, did you draw any conclusions from that analysis, Gman? As in, anyone you think is civ or bad? I feel that is more important than the comments on individual posts, though those are interesting too.

I feel like dizzy has stopped appearing too much after that very active day 0.

Wait, Jack has experience in playing with me? That is news to me.

Iirc I only played one game with him where I was civ and he was some weird kind of indie.

It's not just LC. Every image in this forum that used photobucket has self destructed. Including most of the winner banners.

Personally I feel good about Wilgy. I think he is trying to figure out the game.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:05 am MOOOOOOOOM, LC broke the siiiiiite.

Gman's notes brought me back to these lists.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:10 pm Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:40 pm If we're still considering alternatives to Jack's list:

G-Man
Boo
DDL
Dyslexicon

Those are the only ones I'm leaning somewhat civ on so far.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:08 pm For what it's worth, here's a list of players I'm considering sending my point to:
Jack
G-Man
Long Con
Speedchuck
Dyslexicon
Timmer

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:22 pm So I don't get the purpose of putting 6 names down. From what I can read in the OP it's just one person you vote for. But my list is as follows:

Speedchuck - because we're CPI buddies
Dom - because I'm afraid of Dom. Always.
Jack - because I "like" jack as a person
DrWigly - because he's a doctor
LC - because I like LC as a person
Mac - because I haven't seen Mac in forever it feels like
Everyone above, has your list from before changed? how has it changed? has it narrowed down or widened? why?

DDL, DF, Hazelnut, you had all 3 chosen Gman. Why G-man in specific.

Sprityo, in regards to your list specifically, you and Jack were the only ones to list me. Why did you choose me? beyond that of "he's a doctor?" Am I still on that list? Why did you choose Dom and Mac as one only posted today, and the other is still out?

There are more players that I no idea what to think than players who I have thoughts on. I'd say the null and void atm are DF, Dom, Eloh, G-Man, Mac, Neverwhere, Sprit and Tink. From all of you, can you let me know which player you find the most interesting, and why?

And for now...

Adios muchachos.

Narrowed down. I'm more suspicious of everyone, while on day 0 I was more willing to trust people saying things I agreed about.

Gman is the same above. Not much to say since it was day 0 so there wasnt much to go on.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:36 pm Is that all you got, Fred? You spoke more about mafia theory and side-bar stuff on Day 1 than anything with teeth. On Day 2, you gave me one poke about my NK analysis and then disappeared, only to come in at the end of the day, expressing dismay at having no choice but to vote for one of Timmer or Boo because they were the top trains. You also tried to angle it as if my abstention was forcing us into a coin-flip (without even understanding how Epi and Simon break lynch ties).

Dude, I once posted in nothing but pics and memes for a whole game because I wanted to. Same goes for the time I posted like a Magic 8-Ball. Or the time I posted like the Old Spice guy (the man your man could smell like). Or the time I played in character as Dr. frickin' Evil. It's a free internet. Everyone still had a choice at the end of Day 2. My actions didn't force you or anyone else to do anything. Saying otherwise is just trying to pass the buck.

Speaking of my NK analysis, I still maintain that Jack's murder wasn't smart. Unless the baddies killed Jack because he came out and said that, despite all the argle-bargle with DDL, he thought DDL was civ, it's an unforced error. The only benefit to come out of it was getting rid of the most talkative player. Around here, talkative and sharp players don't get taken out right away or JaggedJimmyJay would be the first NK every time. That's why I think it makes sense for someone from Jack's or another mafia culture to be behind that. Perhaps they have a teammate that is barely around to bounce ideas off of. Whatever the case, it quieted down the thread and achieved little else.

Imo they got rid of Jack because he was not being suspected by people.

That's one of the most basic reasons to kill anyone.

Actually no, scratch that, I forgot Jack was almost lynched.

Voting Dizzy. Her disappearance after making a million posts about game mechanics irks me.

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