The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:52 am You buy into his propaganda of me scumreading him in every game too much Jay.

I know this cause mac makes me mad every game when he scum reads me every game

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:57 am after thinking about it more, i actually feel that alison's approach to reading my slot may be town indicative for her. i would need to re-read her to know for sure, but she could just be town

jess I wanna know why you town read me so bad....

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:59 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:58 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:57 am after thinking about it more, i actually feel that alison's approach to reading my slot may be town indicative for her. i would need to re-read her to know for sure, but she could just be town
jess I wanna know why you town read me so bad....

pleaseeeee????

okay thanx

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:07 am I think we go for the big game today. If Alison is town and her readslist is as accurate as I feel that it is we should flip TSP straight away.

I could vibe

why big game over other people though?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:08 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:07 am why big game over other people though?
Why do you think?

you want to test her accuracy? That's the only goal of the chop? Meh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:08 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:07 am why big game over other people though?
Why do you think?
you want to test her accuracy? That's the only goal of the chop? Meh
No. I want the best deepwolf candidate in the POE resolved first before they get a foothold in the thread and start mowing down their adversaries and building the gamestate to favour themselves.

eh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:12 am All of my Oddmerta pings have been ++ so you definitely have a wolf on that wagon. Probably just one though.

@tedxtr @staypositivefriend have you guys met? Can you guys share reads and do some solving together for science?

what's ++ mean? Why not ping me, you just think I'm obv town or what lol? What's your read on me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:13 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:12 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:08 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:07 am why big game over other people though?
Why do you think?
you want to test her accuracy? That's the only goal of the chop? Meh
No. I want the best deepwolf candidate in the POE resolved first before they get a foothold in the thread and start mowing down their adversaries and building the gamestate to favour themselves.
eh

counter point: ego

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:13 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:13 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:12 am All of my Oddmerta pings have been ++ so you definitely have a wolf on that wagon. Probably just one though.

@tedxtr @staypositivefriend have you guys met? Can you guys share reads and do some solving together for science?
what's ++ mean? Why not ping me, you just think I'm obv town or what lol?
I think Oddmerta has been extremely towny and yes I think you are town.

why

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:14 am
You aren't even being rational so I am going to assume you are quite drunk right now.

no I'm just a bitch

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:15 am You're a real hard read but I guess I am just really good.

you're soooo good mac, please teach me more please, I am honored to be your student

Also I think tbh my scum game is a bit behind my town game, I've been spending like an entire month playing town only almost and trying to get better and I think I've done it well

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:18 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:15 am You're a real hard read but I guess I am just really good.
you're soooo good mac, please teach me more please, I am honored to be your student

Also I think tbh my scum game is a bit behind my town game, I've been spending like an entire month playing town only almost and trying to get better and I think I've done it well
When you have a correct ez town read on Mac the correct course of action is usually to just sheep me til the mafia kill me not "eh" my ideas.

You've got a lot to learn kiddo.

you've questioned me not sheeping you before

Do you really expect me to do that? I only would if I'm feeling particularly lazy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:21 am I don't expect you to. I just wish that you would hurry up and get to the point where you realise that being town is easier when you just find other town and work with them instead of questioning your townreads reasons for townreading you for no apparent reason lol.

Getting townread is great for you as either alignment. Catching a wolf for townreading you is fun but it's also not something you should slap a wolf for. The more you force a wolf to be correct the harder it is for them to find a winning miselim. Got someone like SPF who appears to be mafia townreading you? Don't ask them why, just let them and then nope them when they push onto your godreads lol.

That's how we do it in the old folks home anyway.

I'm not really playing the game to make it easy. I'm playing the game to figure stuff out, regarding everyone. Maybe if I get to a point where I'm like "I just wanna play some casual mafia" I'd do that but my goal with ~every game, ideally, is to get better so nah

I'm not trying to "slap" anyone into not town reading me though. I just question people about their reads on me cause I think evaluating peoples approach to me is a useful way to read them

I spent like 8 hours every day playing mafia. Or more. I have the time to make it hard and I do, lmfao

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:25 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:21 am I don't expect you to. I just wish that you would hurry up and get to the point where you realise that being town is easier when you just find other town and work with them instead of questioning your townreads reasons for townreading you for no apparent reason lol.

Getting townread is great for you as either alignment. Catching a wolf for townreading you is fun but it's also not something you should slap a wolf for. The more you force a wolf to be correct the harder it is for them to find a winning miselim. Got someone like SPF who appears to be mafia townreading you? Don't ask them why, just let them and then nope them when they push onto your godreads lol.

That's how we do it in the old folks home anyway.
I'm not really playing the game to make it easy. I'm playing the game to figure stuff out, regarding everyone. Maybe if I get to a point where I'm like "I just wanna play some casual mafia" I'd do that but my goal with ~every game, ideally, is to get better so nah

I'm not trying to "slap" anyone into not town reading me though. I just question people about their reads on me cause I think evaluating peoples approach to me is a useful way to read them
That's not casual mafia that's just realising that you don't have to hit the ball very hard to hit winners.

Look at me I'm making tennis analogies.

I'm using the term casual mafia as a contrast to playing with the intention of getting better. Do you think sheeping you does anything for me? I don't. So I don't really care. I'll maybe end my vote following yours if I think it's the best way to vote but I'm not going to take that process throughout the day phase. Idk this is too dense for me to care more atp

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:29 am Isn't the point of getting better at the game to make the game easier

I suppose I'm playing the long game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:31 am The frustrating thing about getting better at Mafia in a competitive environment is that everyone else is also getting better at the same time. It's like level scaling in a bad video game.

I enjoy the intricacies of a more higher level game regardless

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:33 am Yeah I mean I thought you were Ted so it's me who's having a stroke not you.

lool

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:37 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:34 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:33 am Yeah I mean I thought you were Ted so it's me who's having a stroke not you.
are you alright fella
actually no I have had the most stressful day and here I am now playing mafia at the end of it which is one of my primary vices and a strong precursor to heavy drinking

awhhhh huggie huggie huggie it's okay

Drinking sucks anyway it makes you feel like shit!!!! play stardew valley it's calming and listen to folk music I can send you some

I've not reread oddmerta but I don't think people with a strong town read on him are correct

I thought he was towny at first when he did his weird shit then he kept up nothing but it

that's all I remember

nothing substantive

only gimmick

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:21 am I don't expect you to. I just wish that you would hurry up and get to the point where you realise that being town is easier when you just find other town and work with them instead of questioning your townreads reasons for townreading you for no apparent reason lol.

Getting townread is great for you as either alignment. Catching a wolf for townreading you is fun but it's also not something you should slap a wolf for. The more you force a wolf to be correct the harder it is for them to find a winning miselim. Got someone like SPF who appears to be mafia townreading you? Don't ask them why, just let them and then nope them when they push onto your godreads lol.

That's how we do it in the old folks home anyway.
That's my philosophy as well. I'll still call it out if someone makes a read on me that's really questionable but as far as I'm concerned hard sheeping me is rarely going to be a winning strategy for wolves so I'm usually fine just ignoring sheepers and let them self resolve.

also worth mentioning no one is gonna sheep me just cause they town read me

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:43 am I have caught up.

Esooa and Mac are both obvious town. I would sheep Mac, but Mac wants to sheep me. We have the same reads anyway so it probably doesn't matter.

Oddmerta is town. Do not vote him. Trust me on this.

SPF has been pretty townie since my last criticism of her.

Al_Sama dropping off the face of the earth is very concerning and him and KZA might have the highest % of flipping scum right now.

why am I obvious town

you can answer in the morning

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:47 am Because you've spent more time arguing fruitlessly about mafia theory than trying to put your hand in to influence the game.

do nothing = obvious town

easy game

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:51 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:48 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:47 am Because you've spent more time arguing fruitlessly about mafia theory than trying to put your hand in to influence the game.
do nothing = obvious town

easy game
Not quite.

You're reasonably present in the thread, and actively engaging in the game. You aren't hiding from the rest of the game and trying to slip under the radar. At the same time you aren't trying to hard push miselims or pocket/buddy up with anyone. I can't think of any slot which would make sense as a pocket victim for you. I think in this player list especially you would be eager to influence the game strongly and try to tilt things in a favorable direction if you were mafia. As it is you are concerned with making sure your voice is heard but you aren't overtly trying to steer the game. That's pretty townie.

damn if u keep reading me like that I won't be able to be obviously wolfy as wolf

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:53 am Esooa's insistence of questioning her townclears is entering twilight zone territory tho. So if you're trying to give yourself NK cover by getting suspected or something keep going.

I dab on you dab dab dab dab

it's simply the easiest point of discussion for me with other players

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:56 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:53 am Esooa's insistence of questioning her townclears is entering twilight zone territory tho. So if you're trying to give yourself NK cover by getting suspected or something keep going.
I dab on you dab dab dab dab

it's simply the easiest point of discussion for me with other players
Try doing something mildly scummy and then omgussing anyone who goes after you for it. Much more fun imo.

I can't even think of anything scummy to do

I'm just a beacon of townyness

funny you mention that, I actually am the town cop

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:08 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:53 am Esooa's insistence of questioning her townclears is entering twilight zone territory tho. So if you're trying to give yourself NK cover by getting suspected or something keep going.
I don't think that theory makes sense, if Esooa is mafia here she has lots of nightkills she could make that wouldn't raise an eyebrow (Sloonei, you, Jay, me, etc.) which would provide more than enough explanation why she's still alive.
Sorry I didn't mean that. I meant town Esooa trying to look scummy and attract sus by tilting those townreading her. It was a joke tho.

Everyone who towns read me will go through hell. Thus I won't be town read any more. It's called classical conditioning, look it up

I probably laugh at my posts more than anyone else does

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:12 am I don't usually laugh at your posts but when I do I choke on my spit and die.

lmao based

btw my read on alisons read on me is she could easily make it as either alignment but it's pro town regardless

am I doing it right mac

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:12 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:58 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:31 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:21 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:15 am Up to page 24 now, I don’t agree with the suspicion of Jay (from TonyStarkPrime) and Alison (from staypositivefriend).
Both seem pretty townie to me right now.
TonyStarkPrime’s seems more flimsy out of the two, but I still have more to go. We’ll see
What was flimsy about it?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:56 pm A few things have thrown me off from the beginning but his current vote for Marmot is something that inclines me to think that way as well. I also just don't think his iso is carrying the proper tone and I'm wondering if his read on sloonei was developed improperly. He also also seems hesistant to say things that I wouldn't usually think he'd be hesitant to say. I did like the post he made where he talked about sloonei/jay mutual TRs and how seriously they're taken or something though idk

this is probably just the usual day 1 jay tinfoil but that's where I'm at
The talk of jay’s tone and being hesitant both of which I’m not really seeing. Not really sure I understand the Sloonei comparison as a negative. They’ve always played kind of similar to me so it’s not really something I find suspicious.
I’m also not really sure I understand the Marmot vote comment. It reads to me that it’s making him also suspect marmot while simultaneously suspecting jay.
I didn't really get that from TSP's post in regards to sussing marmot from the voting comment with marmot/JJJ, it read like he suspects JJJ for voting Marmot. It's worth noting though that TSP elaborated later that he didn't have a read on Marmot.
That makes more sense. I was confused why they would want to follow someone they suspected. I still don’t really like the vague suspicion of Jay, and I’ll need to see more about his later comments about Marmot that you mentioned, because I’m still not sure why if you don’t have a read on someone a vote against them would be a factor. But I’ll see how it’s explained as the thread progresses

idk if you've seen it but why not comment on my jjj read but comment frequently on others

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:35 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:29 am Alison has hard-vouched for Oddmerta. Folks who have voted for him should speak about that.
What has Alison done to receive our vote of confidence to listen to her vote of confidence on odd?
That all depends upon your view of Alison. Do you view her as a suspect or as a town read or as something else?

Spoiler: show
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:11 pm Falcon, Odd, Sloonei, Strawhenge, Jay, Mac are the townreads I feel okay about.

Esooa, SPF, fingersplints are lesser townreads.

JPIC is my strongest scumread atm but that's not saying much.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:50 pm Maybe Oddmerta got exactly what he wanted by opposing civilian Sloonei.
I'm dropping the shield on Oddmerta. He's probably my strongest townread right now.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:21 pm I also town-read oddmerta, but I think he's being rather silly.
He is but in a townie way.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:46 pm Town: JJJ, MacDougall, Nanook, Oddmerta, Sloonei, Strawhenge, falcon45ca

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:44 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:18 am [VOTE: Oddmerta ] aubergine
no

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:43 am Oddmerta is town. Do not vote him. Trust me on this.

@Long Con, @Esooa, @tedxtr, @BoKnows -- please tell me how you feel about the contents of the spoiler above. Thanks.

I don't really feel any particular way about it

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:37 am JPIC is reading more of the thread than he lets on which is generally towny from quote unquote LHF slots.

what?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:43 am The wolf of those three would be SPF I think, Sloonei

gonna have to explain this

the spf scum reads are bad, and I'm pretty inclined to believe one of them are mafia for that

anyways [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Honestly I can't really parse this rn. I'm not gonna catch up until later

tutuu in the last page feels scummy

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:45 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:42 pm tutuu in the last page feels scummy
Hey @Esooa, since you're here, can I ask about your immediate bandwagon vote on Oddmerta following tedxtr's vote? Felt very scummy to me. What were you up to there?

I just wanted to vote someone to get stuff going.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:46 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:45 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:42 pm tutuu in the last page feels scummy
Hey @Esooa, since you're here, can I ask about your immediate bandwagon vote on Oddmerta following tedxtr's vote? Felt very scummy to me. What were you up to there?
I just wanted to vote someone to get stuff going.
Now that stuff is going, are you sticking with that vote? Why/why not?

No. I moved onto TSP. I didn't like TSP's posts in pages 33-36, and I thought Oddmertas were ~fine

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:48 pm I think tutuu and spf are both scummy, but I'm having trouble with a world where they're teammates.

post

@staypositivefriend

what do you think about the way your earlier voters moved off you

honestly there's way too much random posting rn that's so tangential I can't actually work through it atm and my current opinion is just lynch into them so I'm starting with tsp like mac suggested

plus he's been scummy

literally none of tutuus reads feel real to me and they're both static but extremely volatile, idk how but I don't like that either

22 players or whatever is just too fkn many

I'm gonna hard town read spf, jjj, mac and filter three game through them

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:07 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:06 pm I'm gonna hard town read spf, jjj, mac and filter three game through them
What do you mean by filter three game through them?

the, not three

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:59 pm This game feels like Jay and I are mafia teammates. I wonder if anyone has made that observation yet.

I think a majority of scum rn is active

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