The Syndicate

maybe it’s actually just mist. but i feel like mist wouldn’t wanna kill hyena because hyena was tr’ing her? unless she thought he wouldn’t after cayvie flipped

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:30 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:29 pm maybe it’s actually just mist. but i feel like mist wouldn’t wanna kill hyena because hyena was tr’ing her? unless she thought he wouldn’t after cayvie flipped
Sure but if the team is cayvie/Mist then they could have just been completely disorganized?

ig. it’s also possible scum thought hyena was spewed town off cayvie. iirc he was like her only sr

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:31 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:25 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm Wait per the role description how did cayvie choose Hyena if she isn’t here? How does that work?
Was it just the last person who voted?
im pretty sure its not? is this a derp clear?
I thought hyena was the most recent vote and I know I played a game where that happened before. Only reason I could see a bus here is if the mafia wanted the vengeful kill to go off since cayvie kinda disappeared?

well we know hyena didn’t bus and he was the last vote. tony i assume is ic. so if there’s a bus it could only be ran. i dont really think ran had to bus though?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:33 pm Like seriously why does anyone bus there? It gives us the most possible information. It makes even less sense because maybe scum do it if they know cayvie is fucked but Hyena was the last one to vote.

I really think we just yeet Mist and sabie? I should do analyses to be safe though. We should make sure to consider the bussing angle. But like... I don't see how it's worth it? cayvie didn't seem inevitable, right?

no i don’t think cayvie was inevitable at all. mist, sabie, you and even hyena up to the last minute all tr her, which is at least three town. and that’s like half the game

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:46 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:36 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:31 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:25 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 pm Wait per the role description how did cayvie choose Hyena if she isn’t here? How does that work?
Was it just the last person who voted?
im pretty sure its not? is this a derp clear?
I thought hyena was the most recent vote and I know I played a game where that happened before. Only reason I could see a bus here is if the mafia wanted the vengeful kill to go off since cayvie kinda disappeared?
well we know hyena didn’t bus and he was the last vote. tony i assume is ic. so if there’s a bus it could only be ran. i dont really think ran had to bus though?
Yeah or you but you could have changed votes so probably not so perhaps it is just mist.

i mean i was on cayvie even before she disappeared. i can’t imagine why i would do that as scum. i think there were opportunities to switch if i wanted to

i think a poe of mp/sabie/mist is right and we have a vig shot tonight so we can either just win off that or narrow it down to two, which is all we need to lock this up!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:50 pm should vig shoot or no? no right

why would the vig holster after we got scum? this is the best time to shoot

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:55 pm 6->

5 = two chops

vig shot takes it to 4 = one chop

i thought we have two eliminations even if vig misfires?

6-2
cayvie dead, hyena dead
5-1
scum nk, vig misfire
3-1 oh wait ig this would be mylo? damn this setup is like... not very forgiving

but like the vig shot would be instead of another elimination. so either way we have two chances

i think vig should shoot with mp/sabie/mist. and if they feel they’re at risk to be shot tonight (ie on cayvie) i think they should claim too so that scum can’t nk them tonight and then claim vig later on. i’m worried in a flipless setup about scum fake claiming and getting wrongly cleared off that. but idk if this mechanically correct

if i buy mp’s reaction as pure and buy sabie’s derp as real, it’s just mist. but i tr mist so that feels wrong. but i don’t think ran would bus there. so i’m going wrong somewhere

if mp is scum here she’s very good at faking emotion

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:26 pm I feel like sabie's hedging on cayvie seems a bit opportunistic.

what did you mean by this mp? isn’t hedging the opposite of being opportunistic?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:26 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:44 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:40 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:39 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:36 pm i mean, my reason for voting hyena was that he didn’t have eevee in his top ten pokemon. so yea, i would say i don’t expect that to be taken very seriously
exactly: not actually bussing.
....okay, but why do we have to be teamed as opposed to like, not teamed
you don't have to be teamed. im just saying you're compatible.
you said we were the mafia team. what caused you to have that thought?
i feel like you're taking me in circles.

i saw you and hyena vote each other for what looked like silly-ish reasons. i thought, hmm this looks like it could be distancing. is there a reason for mafia to distance/bus in a flipless setting? yes, potentially, if they want to use the vengekill.

and here we are
So cayvie said this about bussing and now we know she was the vengeful one. I don't know if that means it happened for sure just figured that might be relevant

tbh this makes me think ran didn’t bus (or at least that it wasn’t planned). like why would cayvie say this if they were planning to bus? this seems more like a narrative scum would wanna push to make town paranoid of a bus even though scum probably didn’t intend to do it

sabie why did you quote those posts? do you think they mean that a bus was more or less likely?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:44 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:10 pm i think vig should shoot with mp/sabie/mist. and if they feel they’re at risk to be shot tonight (ie on cayvie) i think they should claim too so that scum can’t nk them tonight and then claim vig later on. i’m worried in a flipless setup about scum fake claiming and getting wrongly cleared off that. but idk if this mechanically correct
Wait, you think all three of us should claim then, are you sure?

no you three shouldn’t since if you’re town scum won’t kill you because you’re in the poe. if the vig is in you three it’s better to stay hidden until at least tomorrow. i was more worried about if ran or tony is vig because scum could kill them tonight and then we wouldn’t know. but tbh this is kinda dumb because i forgot tony claimed ic already. so he’s probably just always the kill here

Mistyx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:46 pm optimal mech play i think is IC reveal and vig claim TOMORROW then we pick one player to punt and the other to vig

scum can’t risk a vig claim then because no shot outs them

why shouldn’t the vig shoot tonight?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:47 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:54 pm if i buy mp’s reaction as pure and buy sabie’s derp as real, it’s just mist. but i tr mist so that feels wrong. but i don’t think ran would bus there. so i’m going wrong somewhere
What's the most likely scenario to you if Mist is town?

that either you or sabie is scum

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:49 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:03 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:26 pm I feel like sabie's hedging on cayvie seems a bit opportunistic.
what did you mean by this mp? isn’t hedging the opposite of being opportunistic?
Hmmm yeah I guess the wording was poor. It just felt like sabie was trying to have it both ways and it read awkwardly to me.

why did you find that scummy if you read cayvie town? like wouldn’t sabie not really wanting to kill cayvie be a good thing if fypov cayvie was town? idk if this makes sense

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:51 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:50 pm I think we just force the scum to shoot Hally though.
By this I mean... if she's town, let her get NKed. I don't want to tinfoil that yet. If she's alive at a critical stage and it becomes relevant, consider it thoroughly. I guess this is a small game though so maybe I'm thinking about this backwards.

yes, please nk me @scum. i promise you won’t regret it

Mistyx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:55 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm
Mistyx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:46 pm optimal mech play i think is IC reveal and vig claim TOMORROW then we pick one player to punt and the other to vig

scum can’t risk a vig claim then because no shot outs them
Wait, I don't quite understand the second part I think. Why is it better for N2 vig shot than N1?
because an N1 shot can allow a D2 claim from scum

if there’s no n1 shot and two D2 claims we just win
if there’s an n1 shot and two D2 claims we have to pick between them
and if there’s no n1 shot and one D2 claim we have a chance to prove it
if there’s an n1 shot and one D2 claim we can’t confirm anything

im too tired to comprehend this

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:57 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:52 pm
Mistyx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:46 pm optimal mech play i think is IC reveal and vig claim TOMORROW then we pick one player to punt and the other to vig

scum can’t risk a vig claim then because no shot outs them
Wait, I don't quite understand the second part I think. Why is it better for N2 vig shot than N1?
if someone hypothetically claims vig day 2 and it turns out it was hyena or whatever and there's no cc then if there's no shot they're a confirmed wolf

ftr hyena claimed vt D1 so we’re golden on that front unless he was bluffing

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:00 pm MP and Hally have a bajillion posts

and water is wet

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:03 pm wait is mafia at parity?

i assume so?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:04 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:04 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:47 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:54 pm if i buy mp’s reaction as pure and buy sabie’s derp as real, it’s just mist. but i tr mist so that feels wrong. but i don’t think ran would bus there. so i’m going wrong somewhere
What's the most likely scenario to you if Mist is town?
that either you or sabie is scum
Well, okay, that makes sense, lmao, I just was wondering if you had a clear pecking order.

not atm. gotta see where my inquiries lead

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:08 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:06 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:49 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:03 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:26 pm I feel like sabie's hedging on cayvie seems a bit opportunistic.
what did you mean by this mp? isn’t hedging the opposite of being opportunistic?
Hmmm yeah I guess the wording was poor. It just felt like sabie was trying to have it both ways and it read awkwardly to me.
why did you find that scummy if you read cayvie town? like wouldn’t sabie not really wanting to kill cayvie be a good thing if fypov cayvie was town? idk if this makes sense
Oh huh, I see what you mean. I just thought it meant sabie was acting with TMI, I didn't really think of it from whether cayvie was town or scum specifically because either way it felt like sabie was dancing around cayvie and she knew cayvie's alignment, you know?

hm. ok that makes sense ig

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:08 pm Hey I guess in retrospect if sabie/cayvie is the team I was onto something sort of? Hehe.

what i was getting at is that maybe you had tmi cayvie was scum and so sabie’s treatment of cayvie was something that stood out to you as an angle you could push if/when cayvie flipped. but idk it doesn’t have to be that

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:10 pm If IC is within mp7/sabie/mist they should claim ASAP to avoid the risk of getting vigged.
If vig wants to shoot tonight, I'd prefer they call their shot. But if they do call a shot they have to take it, no fake shots from anyone please.

Unfortunately I think there's a fairly significant chance Hyena was a PR.

hyena claimed vt

im like kinda pinged by sabie pulling up those quotes about cayvie’s vengeful bussing theory and just dropping them in the thread because i feel like if sabie is the last mafia she would absolutely want to plant paranoia about a bus. like i don’t get why conf scum’s words should hold bearing on whether or not scum bussed. it’s just wifom at best

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:18 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:17 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:08 pm Hey I guess in retrospect if sabie/cayvie is the team I was onto something sort of? Hehe.
what i was getting at is that maybe you had tmi cayvie was scum and so sabie’s treatment of cayvie was something that stood out to you as an angle you could push if/when cayvie flipped. but idk it doesn’t have to be that
Wait, what do you mean exactly?

like if you’re scum you knew cayvie was scum, so you saw sabie hedging on cayvie and called it out because you knew that if cayvie flipped you could push sabie and you wanted to set it up. but again it doesn’t have to be that. like your explanation for it makes sense

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:25 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:24 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:18 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:17 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:08 pm Hey I guess in retrospect if sabie/cayvie is the team I was onto something sort of? Hehe.
what i was getting at is that maybe you had tmi cayvie was scum and so sabie’s treatment of cayvie was something that stood out to you as an angle you could push if/when cayvie flipped. but idk it doesn’t have to be that
Wait, what do you mean exactly?
like if you’re scum you knew cayvie was scum, so you saw sabie hedging on cayvie and called it out because you knew that if cayvie flipped you could push sabie and you wanted to set it up. but again it doesn’t have to be that. like your explanation for it makes sense
Oh, I see, like I was looking for angles to push people. That makes sense.

is that what you were doing?

im gonna let the ppl who are good at mech stuff decide whether claiming tonight is good

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:27 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:25 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:25 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:24 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:18 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:17 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:08 pm Hey I guess in retrospect if sabie/cayvie is the team I was onto something sort of? Hehe.
what i was getting at is that maybe you had tmi cayvie was scum and so sabie’s treatment of cayvie was something that stood out to you as an angle you could push if/when cayvie flipped. but idk it doesn’t have to be that
Wait, what do you mean exactly?
like if you’re scum you knew cayvie was scum, so you saw sabie hedging on cayvie and called it out because you knew that if cayvie flipped you could push sabie and you wanted to set it up. but again it doesn’t have to be that. like your explanation for it makes sense
Oh, I see, like I was looking for angles to push people. That makes sense.
is that what you were doing?
Hehe! No.

welp. worth a shot

good night!

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:37 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:21 pm im like kinda pinged by sabie pulling up those quotes about cayvie’s vengeful bussing theory and just dropping them in the thread because i feel like if sabie is the last mafia she would absolutely want to plant paranoia about a bus. like i don’t get why conf scum’s words should hold bearing on whether or not scum bussed. it’s just wifom at best
I looked through cayvies ISO and those quotes stood out to me. If anything can be gleaned from her ISO I thought maybe those quotes were significant. Alas as always my thoughts and ideas don't make sense to anyone else but me. I thought it was mist but then those interactions seem weird as teammates.

but why are they significant? what do they mean to you? and what interactions re: mist?

im probably gonna look through the whole game again for cayvie stuff. not tonight though. i wanna sleep soon

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:47 pm I mean cayvie has a whole interaction about bussing and being a vengeful mafia and then ended up being the vengeful mafia so I pointed that out. I thought maybe that was something worth discussing if we're analyzing cayvies ISO. If no one thinks looking at other players interactions with a mafia member is worthwhile then fine I give up go ahead and misyeet me. If someone else had come up with that idea it would be awesome smart amazing cool. If I say it, it's heavily questionable and makes no sense and why would I ever even think that was meaningful?

oh no i didn’t mean it’s not worthwhile. i’m just trying to understand what you see in it. you didn’t say what you think the posts meant when you quoted them. so i just want to know what you get from them. sorry i’m not trying to frustrate you

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:58 pm I shall sleep and try again tomorrow. Just feeling frustrated. I'll get over it and keep trying.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:42 pm Good night MP7, good night Hally if applicable.

##Nightvote: Mist

why mist?

rip tony. not surprised though

oh im vt

so mp is vig?

i assume tony was just ic then

mp being vig would be great. it also kinda explains why she’s felt a bit off to me. being pr can make ppl act differently

wait seriously? hyena was vig? that’s so fucking rip

hi sorry ill try to give this game more of my attention tomorrow night and wednesday

hi im finally here. catching up now!

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:24 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:31 pm i assume tony was just ic then

mp being vig would be great. it also kinda explains why she’s felt a bit off to me. being pr can make ppl act differently
What do you mean by me being off?

idk, it just seems like you’ve struggled to integrate yourself fully into the game. and one of the reasons for that could have been that you were stressed about having a pr or were playing differently because of that. but obviously not

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:38 pm I guess my instinct still says it's either Mist or sabie, but like... sabie has had moments where imo it seemed like she was the last one but she also has had posts where I feel like they were really genuine, so I'm torn, and then Mist feels too easy somehow?

what do you mean, mist feels too easy? or like, what does that have to do with her alignment?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:57 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:54 pm I guess it's gone long enough that I should say something to @sabie12.

You are not posting into a void, I see your posts and your stances are duly noted. Currently I have characterized you as "townread Cayvie." You are correct in pointing out that you did not strictly speaking do that. You did, however, post:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:31 am I am always a low poster in the beginning of games I am slow to start as I get a feel for things sorry that's just me. Also as I've said this week didnt go as planned for me but oh well.

I feel like this game is better for the scum team because they can kill us all easily and we won't even know for sure they're doing it.
Now that I can read ISOs I could maybe vote hally as they seem to have been perpetuating the random pokemon discussion and just seem different than the town game I saw before. Now that I read cayvie I feel her thought about hyena and hally may have been genuine but then she disappeared after Wednesday. I think tony is his usual town self. I could see maybe a vote for mist I don't feel like they're towny though I guess others do. I think MP seems like her town game before. I'm just not sure.

For now I will [VOTE: hally] aubergine I'm sure I'll get grilled about that but that's what I feel right now. In the other town game Hally was so unsure and thought everyone was town and didn't want to vote people and this game seems different to me.
Bolded and underlined the key phrase. This, as I understand it, is the exact reason that MP7 and Mist gave for why they townread Cayvie. So, posting that specific stance + not voting cayvie is why I currently have you lumped in that group. You may not have said "I townread Cayvie" but if you prefer we can adjust the language to "people who believed cayvie's thoughts were genuine and did not vote her." Does that make sense?
Yes and the rest of the sentence was but she hasn't posted since Wednesday which is my own weird way of being like hmmm what's up with that? I had been reconsidering and I was changing my mind. I can re explain that I (I guess wrongly) after that thought people were reconsidering cayvie and I let it influence my opinion when maybe I shouldn't have. I was going to change to cayvie then I think maybe it was MP said oh cayvie is probably just town and then the conversation started moving away from it. There was no poll and I didn't even realize people were still voting there. I just tried to have further discussion about it and I was asking if people had any familiarity with her or her playstyle or whatever. If that was responded to then I missed it and I'm sorry.
I did not defend cayvie I just wanted to generate discussion and look at other options.

I do realize I word things weirdly and people always misunderstand me. I also realize the remaining mafia has to build a world where someone else is and I am an easy target because no one here gets me. I guess I can't blame them for that since they also want to win this game.

i kinda wanna tr this. like specifically sabie feeling down about ppl not getting her. iirc she had another post i think to me where she seemed upset that i seemed to be dismissing the thing about cayvies bussing theory i think it was? like i think town are more likely to have their feelings hurt over ppl not vibing with their ideas because they’re actually like trying to solve and care about it whereas scum dont. idk if im explaining this well. but ig the reason it seems townish is because i don’t feel like this emotion is targeted as AtE to like make ppl tr her. its more like her just being upset with herself almost as opposed to like trying to actively guilt us into tr’ing her

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:12 am Ok, thanks.

So to answer MP7 now: my take on Sabie's defensiveness is that it is a good look. Her statements re: her stance on cayvie are true and consistent with frustration at being lumped in as "defending cayvie," which from her perspective is an inaccurate characterization that she is fighting back at being pinned with. I was aware of this at the time I initially put forth that characterization, as a hypothesis test to see how Sabie would respond to it.

I think she responded in a consistent and towny fashion. Currently I believe Sabie the most out of the three non-cayvie-voters, making her the one that I do NOT wish to yeet. There is some chance that she is playing this off to deflect and hedge, but it is exactly what I would expect from town in her spot.

(Additionally I do not buy the argument brought against Sabie by Mist yesterday, regarding confusion over IC claims being "the most suspicious thing in the thread." I find that also believable for town and not very scummy if at all. That argument being weak is another part of why my current suspicious lie on Mist and MP7.)

So there's a hot take for y'all. Bedtime for me now.

this reminds me that i don’t think mist ever answered what she meant about sabie and the ic thing being the most sus thing itt. i still don’t get what she meant by that. [mention]Mistyx[/mention]?

also i think i agree atm that sabie feels the most genuine out of sabie/mist/mp for reasons i just explained. also i think she actually did derp herself clear by thinking cayvie had to kill the last person who voted her

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