The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:17 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:19 am @Marmot would you consider fiddler on the roof to have been an average town game for you, at least as far as the early parts of it?

I don't think I could in any capacity give a description or example of an average town game for me.

Your average, ordinary, run of the mill town game is Talking Heads.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:32 am Oh yeah, I forgot to answer that. I haven't gone back to reread at all, but my impression on the first read-through was that Mac was being highly pressured from several angles for very little, and I remember an expression of disbelief crossing my face about it due to it being so extremely early in the game.

Did you derive any kind of read from that observation on anyone involved?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:06 am also, off the top of my head----relevant, noteworthy things I remember Quin has done so far: zero. none. nuthin'. (ok that's a lie, I remember he tried to get a photo of Jay's butt, but that's it.) Why's that?

That's pretty much why I oranged him. The most relevant discourse I can recall from him was a few brief questions he posed about my first rainbow list (which also oranged him). Otherwise Quin is not doing the things.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:02 am why is sprityo so low on your rainbow, Jay?

Off-hand I couldn't tell you what hunting he has attempted in this game. He has given dire warnings about his role and goofed around. I just quickly skimmed the ISO (playing Mafia in class ) and only saw one clear reads-oriented post out of 40-some.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:13 am Caught up: mac and Jay are both town and squabbling over who has a bigger monster truck

When clearly epi has the biggest truck with the biggest tires because he’s a big honkin man who plays the guitar and likes NASCAR

Dunya has a firestorm post rate akin to jay only I agree more with what she’s saying than what I can agree with jay. Jay is like a solid Civ-ish.

Uhhhh I should look into LC and Nutella. Some more of the people I’m unfamiliar with too like kenway, TSP, Dr_white

DrWilgy is oddly silent in my memory, and if he’s mafia, he’ll proabably kill a teammate before realizing what team he’s on. *flashbacks to CC123*


Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what’s the votes? I’m pretty sure I have the most votes rn when taking my passive into account

I won't say more until Epignosis explains the exercise himself, but I can conceive of some productive applications of it beyond these obvious count-based ideas being fielded.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:05 pm I won't say more until Epignosis explains the exercise himself, but I can conceive of some productive applications of it beyond these obvious count-based ideas being fielded.

Do we find out that the Don is the Don if they’re killed? Because that’s the only way it would be useful, but even then, we’d still have to roll the dice with the list the Don posted publicly and that’s just asking to get played. That’s why I think it’s a guise of participating.

Dunno. We shall see.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:04 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:00 pm TSP is the Shaman: "Forbidden Knowledge - Each night, you may choose a role from role list and reveal any secrets or background powers associated with it. Using this on scum roles too often without using it on enough draft/promotion roles will result in negative consequences."

This would be a very odd baddie role, because why would a scum use this on a scummate?

that's the point. It's extremely town-aligned and anti-scum. Something scum would want to have in their possession rather than townies having it.

Moreover, the negative portion of the role is irrelevant to the mafia if they have it because they won't target themselves. The positive portion remains useful to identify civilian powers. It essentially becomes a classic role cop, something very ordinary for a mafia team. This strikes me as obvious. LC is you readin'? Is you readin' boy?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:56 pm I don't think it needs to be so strictly connected. I read it as a conversational "although"... and upon reread, it does make sense even with stricter grammar. "I don't think I can trust this high poster (JJJ)... although if I were Mafia, I might lay low". You see? If so, why couldn't you see originally? In fact, you acted as though you analyzed it, and saw there was no possible connection, and called him out on it in an "I'm suspicious of this" way.

I didn't act like shit. I asked him the question so he could clarify his meaning.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:04 pm What do you think of LC's apparent lack of focus? Legit or transparently fake?

He's done so much of it that if he's mafia he is really trying to milk that "strategy" for all it's worth. Given that I don't believe any mafioso is likely to say to himself "this is the means by which I will fool all of these silly civilians! Hah!", I'm inclined to say it's not a big deal.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:12 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:04 pm What do you think of LC's apparent lack of focus? Legit or transparently fake?

He's done so much of it that if he's mafia he is really trying to milk that "strategy" for all it's worth. Given that I don't believe any mafioso is likely to say to himself "this is the means by which I will fool all of these silly civilians! Hah!", I'm inclined to say it's not a big deal.

That said, a legitimate lack of focus can still be a problem at face value. Civilians have more intrinsic motivation to read things carefully than mafia, because they're the ones who have to truly hunt.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:12 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:04 pm What do you think of LC's apparent lack of focus? Legit or transparently fake?

He's done so much of it that if he's mafia he is really trying to milk that "strategy" for all it's worth. Given that I don't believe any mafioso is likely to say to himself "this is the means by which I will fool all of these silly civilians! Hah!", I'm inclined to say it's not a big deal.

are you saying it's NAI in his case, or does it make you lean town?

I doubt it's fake, but I wouldn't give him town credit for it.

Either LC isn't paying attention, which isn't ideal, or he is pretending not to pay attention, which isn't ideal. Perhaps a more agreeable suspicion would be that he is milking his recent meta for playing a detached Day 1.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:41 pm "No, it's about his read stemming from things that don't exist or are otherwise qualified with nothing waffles."

"you acted as though you analyzed it, and saw there was no possible connection, and called him out on it"

Don't try to change history now.

The clarification you provided is what I called a nothing waffle -- that JJJ is scummy because X, but gee he sure is posting a lot. The thing that doesn't exist was my purported claim of having said nobody would draft me because I'm too obvious (Colin has already acknowledged the error).

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:27 pm Either LC isn't paying attention, which isn't ideal, or he is pretending not to pay attention, which isn't ideal. Perhaps a more agreeable suspicion would be that he is milking his recent meta for playing a detached Day 1.

If I were an ideal player, I'd win more.

You disparaged your own play in Fiddler too. You may have had a few early mafia deaths in quick succession over the last few games, but they aren't indicative of your overall abilities as a player. We all have slumps. Nobody is buying that you suck.

Out of all the people I've yelled at and argued with today, the one who has satisfied me the least has been Dr. White.

VOTE DR. WHITE

In most games I'd give a newcomer a one-day grace period, but unfortunately I don't think we can afford to be so kind when there are so many first-timers at once.

Reminder to all that the deadline is in just over 24 hours. It's earlier in the real-time day than usual, so be prepared.

I am not lynching Marmot.

How do y'all read Quin?

Are those tags going to work with the stray "L" at the ends?

[mention]dunyal[/mention]

dunya, please let me know if this tag works.

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]
[mention]Iron_Dwarf[/mention]
[mention]lapluie[/mention]
[mention]rabbit8[/mention]
[mention]rundontwalk[/mention]

Y'all:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:02 pm I have powered through all 31 pages of this thread. I will never do that again. My eyeballs are bleeding.

I'll have some things to say later this evening after I have bathed and replenished my strength. For now:

These individuals have not named their four hypothetical teammates. I would like to hear them by tonight.

Remember the time dunya had 320 posts with 22 hours remaining in Day 1?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:27 pm Epignosis, I have no reason to trust you and even less when you refuse to answer my questions. I think you can understand that because you think I'm suspicious for not answering yours, no? Whatever you think my post implies, what I am saying is that I am suspicious of your exercise and of you. And I'm not the only one, so saying that it's manufactured is just plain not true.

I don't see the value in your exercise. The burden of proof is not on me when it comes to changing my mind there, it's on you to show that it's useful to the town. And while, yeah, someone could protect you in the night phases, it's also weird to me that you're openly advertising that you have some scheme that we don't know anything about rolling that would be detrimental to the mafia, because wouldn't they then want to kill you?

Do you think his exercise, even if pointless, has any potential to do harm? If not, why haven't you given some names?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

"I might be night killed if I say this" has nearly never stopped me from saying something.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:36 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

Epi doesn't have an equal chance of being nightkilled. He has higher change if scum think he has important power.

Scum know half of his role already anyway. Now this suspicion demands the specific scenario wherein his unknown power ties into this exercise in some way -- a wild ass guess based on nothing. Even if he is the most threatening player and has a scary role, there are still 18 other civilians who can be killed. None of them have a majority-probability of being killed. It's math. If I am being asked to believe that a civilian should give a damn about that on Day 1, particularly in this context with an exercise being drawn asking only for four names, I say -- bullhickey. Horseshit. That's made up.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:36 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

No. He could say something like, "I think it'd be useful to see what people say." Or he could say "There might be patterns in who's picked." If he has a real strategy here that needs time to pan out, he shouldn't be daring the Mafia to kill him for it by saying he has a "damn good reason" to hide his intentions.

Absolute crap.

Simple question, Colin: what is the current phase?

nutella, why do you think Epi and Colin are both civilians?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:46 pm Colin is a civ. Nutella is Mafia so knows it and is distancing from the lynch. It is known.

nah bro I legitimately don't get why he's suspicious. like what is the baddie motive for his argument here

"I think I found something that I can criticize and maybe mislynch."

It's a pretty ordinary motive. Colin doesn't know Epignosis.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:49 pm Y'all, this condescending stuff is not gonna fly, I don't need to be in this game.

I don't see what I'm not communicating here. It is really, really strange for a townie, no matter the phase, to come into the thread and advertise themselves alone as a threat to the mafia. If you really think you have an ace in the hole or a way to get a leg up, you want to disguise it innocuously. You don't want to say stuff like "if the Mafia knew what I was doing, they'd try to stop me." Well, now they know they have a good reason to try to stop you either way, so it's USELESS.

I don't intend to be condescending, so please don't take offense. I simply don't believe the argument you're putting forth here.

1.) Epignosis has a zero percent chance of being night killed on Day 1, so that we're talking about this at all is already goofy.

2.) Where is this brazen advertisement of being an imminent threat? Epignosis said he isn't going to tell you what he intends with his exercise because it would render the exercise pointless. Maybe it even is pointless. You haven't given it a chance though. Before it has ever developed, barely halfway into the day phase, you have discarded it as nothing. Why not give Epignosis time to do whatever he's doing before you make that decision? Maybe it's an hour to EOD and he still hasn't done shit. Then you can make this case more validly. It isn't that hard to fathom why this exercise might have value. First and foremost, what is the core source of this current dialogue? It's right in front of your face.

3.) The entire premise that a civilian inherently must play timidly to avoid night kills flies in the face of common sense. If you're an alignment cop, sure, be careful. Otherwise who gives a damn? The objective of this game is not to survive. It is to lynch mafia.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:48 pm nutella, why do you think Epi and Colin are both civilians?

because there's no baddie motive that makes sense for what either of them are doing. (and because I have town read both of them for other reasons)

I don't agree with the former. What are the other reasons?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:56 pm This is completely sincere imo. I also don't see any reason why a scum Colin would have been adamant about not revealing his 4 reads. Indeed if anyone is willing to contribute to that exercise the most, it's the scum team while applying a large does of WIFOM. I didn't like the exercise either. I don't know Epi's motives behind it, and I don't really care much about the whole thing. Making a huge deal about someone who doesn't want to do what you demand is arrogant behavior really. It's like me starting a game of GTH reads and calling out anyone who doesn't participate. ya, nothx.

This is not the argument.

1.) Colin DID answer Epi's call.

2.) His argument against Epignosis is the issue I have. It all reads complete bullshit. I cannot reconcile the nonsense about avoiding night kills.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:09 pm [VOTE: All y'all should use these vote tags Marmot made. They'll be very easy to catch for talliers.] aubergine

Sorry what were those tags again?

Don't worry about the tally for now.

In the full post editor, there is a "vote" button second from the far right. The code for you mobile folk is just:

[ vote ]player name[ /vote ]

Remove the extra spaces.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:51 pm holy fuck can you guys stop posting for 20 seconds?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:23 pm Jimmy re. Colin.

Since you are the encyclopedia of RYMafia can you help me. I seem to recall that despite starting the RYMafia craze (unless I am conflating him with someone else) Colin had a large break at one point and upon return we had evolved the game so much that he came across abnormal and caught heat for it and also felt like everyone else was very foreign and playing a different game to him and vocalised it.

If you can recall in which game that was and what his alignment was that would be super because it feels like he is doing the same thing here and I feel like it might just be his focus on how the game ought to be played that is attracting all this suspicion.

Colin you might recall too?

sinagog started RYM Mafia as the host of game #1. Colin was one of the earliest players though. You're correct that he took a long hiatus, and I believe he returned from that hiatus in game #35 (The Matrix, hosted by Mungbean). You were the rogue; it was the game where Equus posted that picture breakdown that became famous. Colin was her mafia teammate and was the only member of the team to be lynched.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm My whole point is irrelevant because I mistook him for sinagog. Moving on.

It may not be irrelevant, because I am sure the intensity of this brand of Mafia is not the same as what Colin was accustomed to in the early games on RYM. I don't know if that culture shock is a good reason for him to assume Epignosis should be hiding from night kills though. I just don't get that argument.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm I'll admit my votes so far haven't been great choices

Why weren't they great choices?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm My whole point is irrelevant because I mistook him for sinagog. Moving on.

It may not be irrelevant, because I am sure the intensity of this brand of Mafia is not the same as what Colin was accustomed to in the early games on RYM. I don't know if that culture shock is a good reason for him to assume Epignosis should be hiding from night kills though. I just don't get that argument.

Some civs like to avoid night kills no? I'm sure we have had that conversation before.

Old timey Syndikats who are accustomed to survival win conditions might. I generally don't give a shit about avoiding kills. Granted, I rarely seem to get killed.

The structure of the argument, as I see it (correct me if it's a misinterpretation, Colin) is this:

A. Epignosis is employing an exercise which doesn't look especially productive.

B. Epignosis is not giving details about the purpose of the exercise or what he hopes to do with it because it might tip of the Mafia team to his intentions.

C. This means Epignosis is admitting to being a threat to the mafia and thus a potential night kill target.

D. A civilian shouldn't make himself so openly a night kill target.

~~~

I think (A) is too quick to discard the exercise when the day is young enough that there's no urgency for Epignosis to have any perspective other than (B). Moreover, I don't understand how (C) follows from (B) -- a gap in reasoning is being crossed and it makes little sense to me. Playing some exercise in the thread and keeping its purpose under wraps is not equivalent to having some unique power role which should terrify the mafia team. That logic is bizarre. (D) can be a matter of culture shock/clash. I think it's an overly simplistic portrayal of a broad strategic concept, but some people probably do avoid night kills even to the detriment of their own civilian team.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:38 pm UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I understand that Colin is not from around here. I understand that my way of playing Mafia is not the only way.

I don't understand how a civilian brain develops the argument I just portrayed specifically from (B) to (C). That transition is the core of my problem with Colin. It looks fake. If you can convince me that it isn't I am all ears.

Fucking hell people. Sure, I'm an annoying Vulcan and Mafia isn't all about logic.

I. KNOW. THAT.

I am trying to explain my suspicion, not write a mathematical proof.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 pm Overall I'd be most comfortable with a Mac, LC, or Running lynch. If we wanna go big fish hunting then it's JJJ. JJJ responded quite weird to me when I mentioned him backing colonial up so strong that early as interesting. He's kept quite a strong tone towards me since than, and hasn't really explained why he's made two post since then (a vote in the subsequent one) sussing me. I'd like to know why I am one of his biggest suspects and he feels so strongly about my lynch.

To put it most succinctly:

You keep dancing around "JJJ and colonialbob are mafia teammates" without just saying it. It smells like a desire to manipulate a negative climate without committing to an actual read. To stick me alongside bob is too easy and I am not convinced you really believe that.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:33 pm because I changed my mind on them later and now think both of them are more likely town?

What do you think of your drafting decisions?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:49 pm I don't see what I'm not communicating here. It is really, really strange for a townie, no matter the phase, to come into the thread and advertise themselves alone as a threat to the mafia. If you really think you have an ace in the hole or a way to get a leg up, you want to disguise it innocuously. You don't want to say stuff like "if the Mafia knew what I was doing, they'd try to stop me." Well, now they know they have a good reason to try to stop you either way, so it's USELESS.

Here. This. This is what I find so gross. There's such an obvious interpretation that Colin is not acknowledging.

Epignosis doesn't want to tip off the mafia team. It isn't about their "wanting to stop him". It's about their understanding of his intentions and reacting accordingly. If there's something he's looking for, or some overall purpose under the surface -- saying what it is in the thread prevents it from working. The mafia maneuver their behavior to improve their appearances.

I have been that guy so many times. It's the exact reason why the first few times I ran those gun-to-head reads exercises, I was as vague as possible about what I was doing until the last second. Tipping off the mafia team to your moves is foolish, and that Colin demanded that of Epignosis with this bolded bullshit in hand strikes me such crap.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:02 pm Jay just has this electrifying effect on my body...

Y'all never got it this good with ikaWolf.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:11 pm this guy knows what's up. I would join him in the rabbit vote, but I'd somewhat prefer one of the other lurkers (wilgy, lapluie, a little less so iron dwarf) over my fellow pegasus, I'd rather give him a chance to appear

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:04 pm you like salad huh

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:14 pm naming the players who have not posted this phase is not salad

"I would consider lynching X or Y or Z, or W to a lesser degree..." is prototype salad.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:45 pm

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 pm Overall I'd be most comfortable with a Mac, LC, or Running lynch. If we wanna go big fish hunting then it's JJJ. JJJ responded quite weird to me when I mentioned him backing colonial up so strong that early as interesting. He's kept quite a strong tone towards me since than, and hasn't really explained why he's made two post since then (a vote in the subsequent one) sussing me. I'd like to know why I am one of his biggest suspects and he feels so strongly about my lynch.

To put it most succinctly:

You keep dancing around "JJJ and colonialbob are mafia teammates" without just saying it. It smells like a desire to manipulate a negative climate without committing to an actual read. To stick me alongside bob is too easy and I am not convinced you really believe that.

This is a real shallow and forced conclusion. I am noting something that is sus. I am not "dancing around saying you two are scum mates" because that isn't the only conclusion one can come to. Yes, you could be scum mates, or you can be going for town cred by latching on to a townie and giving him good marks. So yes it is contributing to my sus of you, but in no way entails I have to 100% subscribe to both of you being scummates.

You've made the problem crystal clear then.

You suggested earlier that "I had my answer" what you were implying about colonialbob and I:

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:09 pm

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:06 pm Did I peg you right already so you go for the linguistic call out? So sad.

No that can't be it, because you didn't "peg" me as anything. You called my behavior "interesting". Is that a read? What does that mean?

Interesting, meaning worthy of note. Adding that to the context of you strongly town reading someone off of one action this early in the game and I believe you got your answer J dog.

Apparently I didn't have my answer, because I had no clarification on what you were actually saying until right now. I have had to force numerous posts out of you to get this assertion about the interaction which you called interesting, and it should not be that hard to derive a clear perspective.

And it's all based on an assertion which is total bullshit: Having a strong town read on Day 1 is suspicious.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:25 pm Plz tell me you looked this up and don't just have all this stuff in your head.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:16 pm have i convinced you, baby? *bats eyelashes*

I'm thinking it over. I remain baffled, and I am also trying to separate general confusion from suspicion. The suspicion of him you did support is quite like Epignosis's suspicion. What is your read on Colin overall?