The Syndicate

I don't trust speedchuck.

I've had a positive perspective of Epignosis since the early stage, with these as the starting point:


I don't think this is standard-fare wine. Epi morphed my stupid comment (confirmed teammate of nutella) into a stupid response that itself could incite bogus takes from anyone left to interpret them. I don't think anything came of that, but it suits the sort of early-game motion we've seen from his civilian fingers in recent memory. I don't necessarily refer to false wine, but more generally to making unfounded claims or saying questionable things deliberately to see how it makes the game move.

Since that initial moment I haven't been bothered by Epi's takes. His suspicion of juliets was quite on-brand. He looks the part.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:45 pm I like Dom more. I think Dom has taken on an incisive, fierce tone that feels both authentic and generally civilian in character.

What do you make of the whole dom/ted thing on the last page?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:47 pm I don't trust speedchuck.

Any reasons you can share at the moment?

I'm about to begin a bunch of lab work, so I will try to get to your questions in a bit if I can.

speedchuck gripes


Not feeling the vibes on this joke.


I find this assertion hard to believe: nutella is a firecracker is responds severely to accusations of all sorts all the time. This contributes in some vague manner to the negative nutella climate, and I'm not on board.


i n t e r e s t i n g

Seriously though, chuck termed the Jacktella thing as interesting and specifically referenced tedxtr as a source of that intrigue -- without providing any actual take or stance. I don't know what the point of this observation is.


chuck sharted on both the Radish and nutella wagons before engaging himself in the concurrent dialogues. At face value, I think this post looks fake. He answered this accusation already. I'm not moved.


One thing I liked more from speedchuck was his dig into sig's takes on Jacktella. In the end though we get the highlighted bit to neuter its seriousness and for my money its credit.

[mention]juliets[/mention] you'd asked for me to expand on speedchuck. ^

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:20 pm This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

I would appreciate a third perspective on my speedchuck gripes. I have little doubt that speedchuck will answer them himself, and I will see how I feel about that when it comes. Gimme someone else.

Mac and his big D are aligned with mafia.

Tranq is not known for making a lot of posts. He's right on schedule.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] you got any new hazelnut-styled tunnels for us?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:03 pmYou asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

I read the Dom/Ted thing, and I was confused about Dom's bravado that was suspecting Ted because he didn't answer a question. I also thought it was shade to say "avoided my question" cause it's such an easy gripe to have with someone. But Ted doesn't really strike me as someone who would flee away from a "difficult" question if he was scum, so likely he forgot or missed it, which he later said. I don't know. I was confused be Dom's bravado last game I played with him too though. I don't think I've seen him as scum before.

Jimmay, you know Dom better than me, so what's your overall feel there? Also, you know SVS better than me, so same question there.

I don't think "bravado" is out of place with Dom. That's a part of the persona he often brings to the game. He asked a question and it went unanswered, and so he made a stink. I don't think he has played with tedxtr before (either can correct me if necessary), so I don't think ted's own personality is an important variable to consider when judging Dom's treatment of ted. They don't know one another.

Now that ted did answer the question, we may glean more from their interaction at present. [mention]Dom[/mention], [mention]tedxtr[/mention], whaddya think of each other?

I have leaned positively for S~V~S on the basis of tone and familiarity with what I remember of her hunting styles and what I know of the site norms from the era from whence she brings most of her background (Syndicate circa 2013-2016 or so). I haven't dug deep on S~V~S lately though and she is a priority for reassessment.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:14 pm Not much there bth, and considering almost all of you are dirty scumbums, then yeah, why not.
Buuut, I have the feeling that Speed has been bored as town before? Does he like to play scum more, or is that only an assumption?
Of what you put out it's the first joke that I like the least. Reads a bit like guilty state of mind.

I wouldn't say "bored", but he has been less active and less effortful in some of his town games given external business or burnout. I do my best to put his general activity level away and assess his content purely for what it is.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:09 pm Jackofhearts2005 you got any new hazelnut-styled tunnels for us?

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Agreed. What do you hate most about Mac and his big D?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:11 pm A question with a data driven answer: are inactive scum or town more likely to be lynched?
I think this one is counter intuitive

Town by pure odds. I dunno.

Why?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:22 pm Do you understand why I'm suspicious of you, Jimmay? I kind of am.

Tell me why you're suspicious of me and I'll tell you whether I understand.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:20 pm This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

you missed the other part where ted responded and i asked him a few more questions.

I assume you're referring to the bit where you asked about how he presented his civilian read on Dizzy? If so, I understand why you'd be inclined to ask your question. I am not especially bothered by it on ted's part. When you asked him to expand on his town reads, he did so with a mind for the start-to-present progression which, in the case of Dizzy at least, meant that there was some degree of conflict in the read. But he landed on town -- he expanded on that further after your prod. You got beef?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:24 pmTell me why you're suspicious of me and I'll tell you whether I understand.

Good answer.

I don't know. You just don't pack a punch to me in this game. For all your posting you feel surprisingly in the background. It's mainly that.

I'm not yelling and screaming as I often did in years past. I'm having more fun right now as a result. I'm a tired old man, Dyslexicon. I am a Mafia grandpa.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:32 pm A little bit. I'm getting hung up on the initial framing of his Dizzy read. It was "Dyslexicon is town. [Several lines of text explaining why Dyslexicon was previously not a town read]. Dyslexicon is town." The follow-up response was a better answer, but the first one felt like a non-answer, which recalled my Day 0 beef with ted.

I think it's important that this dialogue began when you asked him for his strongest town reads -- the genesis of these comments existing was your brain as much as or more than ted's brain. He gave a small pile of names and ordered them, and then expanded on the names you asked about. He's giving you a rundown, which could be said to go above and beyond the call of your question.

The framing may be a bit different if ted had come up with the post entirely himself: "these are my strongest town reads and [here's why they're not town]"

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:35 pmBut you should think more about how that makes me feel.

Now it is the both of us that cry, Cindy Kate Staple Dyslexicon.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:40 pm Remember folks:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

This made me feel a non-zero amount of feeling. I am dumb.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:47 pm Jimmy, mind doing a rundown of Michelle's iso for me?

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If you mean like make a whole-ass ISO post, I may be pressed for time. I'll look at it though and say stuff.

Michelle stuff:

I liked her in Day 0 for her little contributions. They may not be much, but I am fond of the tone. That's worth less in Day 2 Land, but it's something.

She stood in Jack's corner when he was briefly wagoned on Day 1. If Jack is a civilian one may wonder about TMI; my alarm is not set off given that it's based upon Jack's read on her. There's a personal connection driving the read that I find believable.

Town reads on sig and I, the latter based on meta. I am not surprised by the comparison given that in Dogs vs. Cats I was very loudly mislynched. It sticks in the brain.

I don't care for this post. I don't understand what Michelle means in the first line about Dizzy. Her shade at nutella looks a bit cooked -- framing it as a question to the audience "what if they're both town???" is icky. Then there's vague references to vibes from Nanook and Radish, presumably negative vibes but not overtly stated.

I don't feel much either way from the big multi-quote post. I reference it anyway given its significant stature within the ISO.

Again drawing on meta when reading Sloonei town. I've no gripe.

Michelle's stances in the Day 1 lynch were dually concrete: vote Radish, don't want to lynch nutella. I appreciate the clarity.

sig gave her some shit and she was cool with it. The lack of energy in her response is awkward.

I agree with much of what she says about Colin

Well this ended up a whole-ass ISO post. I'm JaggedJimmyJay.

It's not a perfect report. When I am less-than-positive though I feel more like I am nitpicking than like I am finding something I care about. I don't view Michelle as a good lynch.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:07 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:11 pm A question with a data driven answer: are inactive scum or town more likely to be lynched?
I think this one is counter intuitive

Town by pure odds. I dunno.

Why?

I have a small sample set (I might try to put a bigger one together after I get home tomorrow) but it seems to be pretty close to 50/50 — which after pure odds and the fact that scum is less likely to be inactive, paints a weird picture.

That could be true. I don't have the numbers. Why is this of interest to you right now?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:04 am Vote: Jay because I feel like it

y

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:45 pm I like Dom more. I think Dom has taken on an incisive, fierce tone that feels both authentic and generally civilian in character.

I’d like you to differentiate between what I was doing and what I’m doing now.

Whaddya mean? What you were doing when?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:53 am This is a horseshit observation.

You don't believe a word of it.

That last part makes you seem open-minded but last bit you tack shows you aren't. This is the weakest push I've ever seen from you in my life.

You are mafia.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Hi Epignosis

Considering the number of times you've told me over the years that something I've posted is the [weakest ______ you've ever seen from me], I must have a talent for lowering the bar.

I suspect speedchuck, and those are reasons why I suspect speedchuck. The end. Regarding the last thing: I don't give a damn about "open-minded". That's an accusation. He made one move that I thought could bear the potential to be productive, and he neutered that move himself. I don't like that.

Why else do you hate all that so much?

This sure is a poll.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:54 pm Actually, the fact I'm surprised Jay has so many posts is concerning, considering I don't remember him leading us anywhere, only hopping on the Radishes wagon after everyone else already did.

What do you remember from any player in this game thread that you haven't just ISO'd? I haven't read everything yet, but I dunno what you think of anyone.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:56 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:54 pm Actually, the fact I'm surprised Jay has so many posts is concerning, considering I don't remember him leading us anywhere, only hopping on the Radishes wagon after everyone else already did.

What do you remember from any player in this game thread that you haven't just ISO'd? I haven't read everything yet, but I dunno what you think of anyone.

Then you're not actually reading my posts, just voting for me. Interesting.

I'll restate a concrete gripe: after engaging in a good amount of direct conversation with Sloonei on Day 1, you provided a read on him:


This all looks like filler. I see various reasons why you might view Sloonei as a civilian and no reasons why you might view him as a mafioso save for the vague "caveat" and "un-fakeable" stuff. It's meaningless. You talk with him often, you ISO him, you say all this about him, and the payoff is "null".

This isn't my only concern with you, but it's a good summary of why I suspect you. This kind of thing is apparent throughout your content.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:59 pm Fine, I'll do a quick reads list before I go.

You remember at least one thing I posted.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

who dey

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:43 pm Oh, and I really disliked Tony's vote D1. Not just because it was on me, but because it was late in the day on a complete off wagon, not with any convincing or anything, so it's not like he tried to make a lynch happen. Apart from that he's also played with me before, so he should be able to have an actual opinion on me. But the main thing is that it was off wagon and a throw away vote. Sloonei did that as scum (lone vote on me D1) when he was scum the last time I was town. Just saying.

Love this point, that stuff is almost always shady.

This is opposite to the perspective evil Colin expressed on this off-wagon voting theory in Ancient Greece Mafia.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:01 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:52 pm I kind of think Nook is still town, sue me.

Everyone should tbh, not cause of anything I’ve done since rejoining but for the simple fact that a slot left empty is 10 times more likely to be a town slot than a scum slot.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:02 pm We're writing role PMs now. I have the unknown 25th player in a role slot already, optimistically. So when they join, know that their role was randomized alongside each of yours.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:28 pm You’re bad

juliets is my strongest civilian read in the game. How about a one-word summary of your suspicion that isn't itself "bad"?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:06 pm Thanks for the response. Tranq, SVS and Jay I'm seeing some things I like but Tony is next on my list to look at.

I'm taking a break though guys I'm getting thread weary.

It'd be super if you could say what you liked from Tranq.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:35 pm Every host has to say that, very few will leave an empty scum slot when it comes to it

sounds like cowards

Whatever I don't care about this either way

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:07 pm~reads list~

This looks like it came from random.org

I like sprityo for reasons I struggle to articulate. He is striking a balance between here are a few reads, take them or leave them and let me explain to you in great vivid detail who I think is mafia and why. He's giving reads and explaining them in some capacity, enough that one can mostly follow his thinking, but without it looking like he is working for appearances.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:31 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:28 pm You’re bad

juliets is my strongest civilian read in the game. How about a one-word summary of your suspicion that isn't itself "bad"?

Juliets is playing too nice. Giving information, asking questions. Playing good cop too much. Taking lines that look for a taker instead of carry themselves.

Do you know juliets to play in a way other than nice?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:41 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:07 pm~reads list~

This looks like it came from random.org

You look like you came from random.org

In the right social circles that could be a scathing diss

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] what do you think of Radish's most recent ISOing stuff? I'm reviewing now.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:50 pm I like sprityo for reasons I struggle to articulate. He is striking a balance between here are a few reads, take them or leave them and let me explain to you in great vivid detail who I think is mafia and why. He's giving reads and explaining them in some capacity, enough that one can mostly follow his thinking, but without it looking like he is working for appearances.

You've just described a mafioso

Oh.

Do you think 'es a bad boy?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:19 pm As ever, my lack of meta knowledge could factor in here – is TH playing his normal town game? Because what I see is someone trying to affect the ‘quiet but paying attention’ card and refusing to give much away to avoid getting involved in discussions.

Definite scum lean.

In recent memory Turnip Head has rarely been one to play the game loudly -- quiet but attentive is an apt description of him. I'd say he is on-meta. How does this impact your read?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:58 pmAfter spending some time on jack & nutella’s little ditty, his vote on me comes a bit out of nowhere. He shaded me earlier, so there’s that, but he arrives back in the thread to hop on my wagon after it’s already grown in a little spurt. Very opportunistic moment, basically. Only explains it later, and for reasoning I find poor. Like, making a deal out of the ‘4th vote = scum’ thing? Come on. It reads like he scanned the thread for a few things to say that others already have about me.

At least twice now you've referenced my suspicion of you only in terms of the least important point (the "4th voter") thing. In so doing, you have left the substantive digs hanging -- your handling of me and your handling of Sloonei. I am reminded of the dummy scroll moment from Romance of the Three Kingdoms that helped me to catch BadMac.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:58 pmBut then back to more one-line soft reads. The most egregious one I find to be this, which is just…weak. It’s meant to be jokey, but in the context of Jay’s larger play this game strikes me wrongly. Then, despite all his one-off reads here and there, he lands back on me as a vote.

"The most egregious one-line soft read" you've referenced here is not a read at all. I asked Jack a question. What?[/quote]

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:59 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:19 pm As ever, my lack of meta knowledge could factor in here – is TH playing his normal town game? Because what I see is someone trying to affect the ‘quiet but paying attention’ card and refusing to give much away to avoid getting involved in discussions.

Definite scum lean.

In recent memory Turnip Head has rarely been one to play the game loudly -- quiet but attentive is an apt description of him. I'd say he is on-meta. How does this impact your read?

Quiet is one thing. Is it on meta to give no reasoning behind his thoughts?

Yes. Absolutely. Same question

sig getting one-posted and using it to shit all over Mac is pretty ace.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:38 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:45 pm I like Dom more. I think Dom has taken on an incisive, fierce tone that feels both authentic and generally civilian in character.

I’d like you to differentiate between what I was doing and what I’m doing now.

Whaddya mean? What you were doing when?

....what changed, Jay? Why change your read on me? Can you cite something that made the difference? I don't see it, and I don't think you do either.

I'd previously assessed the Day 1 Jack wagon that had ballooned. I didn't know why your vote was on it; you didn't really indicate that. I care less about that as of 5:48 PM EST on 29-Feb-20 than I do the larger body of posts in your history -- likewise whatever time it was when I said that.