Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[tedxtr]

Lynch still anyone’s game right now with 10 people having not voted yet i wouldn’t sweat too hard yet nutella

Especially when you have two votes to jack’s 6 and MR’s 4

That’s my point, this is way over the top and the timing is also really inconvenient for this to occurr

[nutella]

Lynch still anyone’s game right now with 10 people having not voted yet i wouldn’t sweat too hard yet nutella

Especially when you have two votes to jack’s 6 and MR’s 4

I don't think I'm going to be the lynch, I'm not afraid of that.

Ugh I kinda don't want to lynch jack tho bc the harder he tunnels the more likely he is actually town just on an ego trip. Those first couple posts he made about me were just so disgustingly bad though.

[nutella]

Lynch still anyone’s game right now with 10 people having not voted yet i wouldn’t sweat too hard yet nutella

Especially when you have two votes to jack’s 6 and MR’s 4

That’s my point, this is way over the top and the timing is also really inconvenient for this to occurr

What? I don't follow

[tedxtr]

Does nutella usually crumble to pressure like this as wolf? Anyone?

This is starting to get annoying real quick though, both Nanook and nutella coming out of left field is just pissing me because I can’t read AtE, and moreso this is just stupid AtE (no offence)

If we’re gonna lash out at every scum read on us we might as well not even play the game.

I might not understand what caused this reaction but I really can’t see why you’d be so pissed and it’s heavily affecting how I’m reading you and I hate AtE because of its impact on my accuracy

Fuck me idk i always wanna read AtE like this as town

[unvote] [/unvote]

Tbf my frustration is only partly to do with this game.

Ok, talk to me. Let’s chat and talk about the game (or anything else!) so you can get a better read

I mean I have a town read on you anyway for your reaction but if everyone’s gonna do it then it’s gonna make me paranoid about town reading it in the first place. I had to go against half the cells in my body telling me not to town read it but I did anyway, but with each overreaction that kind of makes me want to question why I town read your reaction over the other person’s if that makes sense

I still feel like sitting on nutella because I thought I had good reasoning prior to this thing but i don’t really know. What are you thinking about JJJ / Epi / sprit ?

[tedxtr]

Lynch still anyone’s game right now with 10 people having not voted yet i wouldn’t sweat too hard yet nutella

Especially when you have two votes to jack’s 6 and MR’s 4

That’s my point, this is way over the top and the timing is also really inconvenient for this to occurr

What? I don't follow

I thought you were crumbling to town!Jack tunneling you, the overreaction is weird because you’re not really even a point of contention, which makes it even weirder.

[Sloonei]

“Jack is town” is the only read I’ve come up with from the last four pages.

I’m not capable of digesting big posts right now. They hurt my head.

[tedxtr]

As in you are worried that Jack is gonna pull a lynch on you even though nobody really scum read you except for me and him

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@sprityo you weren't an MVP nominee for this!

Why the focus on sprit? First and last time you mentioned him before this was in a list where you said you plus'd him (town read?).

Sometimes sprityo is responsive to the ol' motivational sack tap.

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

"im jack and ive never been wrong about nutella before so i have to put a maybe she's town in there to cover my ass"

Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

are you like, reading from a clipboard? seriously what is this?

what have you done with jack??

would you actually be this obvious tho??

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

the first one into the second one is crucial for the next point

the amount of doubt she's presenting, yet still voting for Jack is scummy. feels like a really fake engagement and i read it as parroting of what nanook was doing with sig. it doesn't read as natural as nanook's frustration with sig.

she doesn't even know what she's being voted for and she starts the questioning only after placing a vote

ew

it reads really fake and staged up, the moment nutella points something that i actually am not seeing from jack and then instantly voting him the next post is bad.

The dark forces need to be brought down

As someone who has been playing with nutella for over 10 years (with some hiatuses [hiatii?]) I don't think she sounds fake. I think considering the back and forth Jack and she have had in many games, her thoughts on him sound pretty genuine.

But what I DO find yucky is this post:

Still waiting for those hot takes

We should lynch jack so he can go play the mountain of video games he needs to finish

No joke. Made a bunch of progress on my dwarf campaign in Total Warhammer yesterday.

Unfortunately, I’m unlynchable and obvious town so I’m not going anywhere until a mafia says so.

Per the rules,

10. Character claiming, roleclaiming and infodumping are illegal. You may say whatever you like in BTSC.



Plus this just reads like the classic baddie "valuable civvie" ploy (it used to have a spiffy name, but I forget what it was). "If you try to lynch me, you will be sorry." More than anything else you have said, this post makes me think you're bad, and you weren't King of my Shining Civvie Hill before this post.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now, it may change, but this post is like a "HI! I'M BADDIE McBADDERSON" nametag in my eyes.

To be fair I think jack always claims he unlynchable every game

This is true, he looks confident lately that he will not be mislynched. I started to look at this in a positive way, actually I wondered when he will start to post it.

[nutella]

As in you are worried that Jack is gonna pull a lynch on you even though nobody really scum read you except for me and him

Not too worried yet, but part of the problem is that he does have some credibility/history of reading me accurately so the danger that people believe him the one time he is wrong is a concern.

[tedxtr]

Nutella, can you give me some other reads of yours please?

[nutella]

I could see wolf jack at this point relying on that history to try to set me up as a mislynch tbh. In the past he has mostly resorted to buddying me when he's scum and I'm town, but due to the recently prominent trend he might have decided to try this. Either way he came off super awkward and uncertain with his suspicion of me at first and quickly doubled down on it.

[nutella]

Nutella, can you give me some other reads of yours please?

See the earlier rainbow by Jay that I quoted earlier. My views mostly still align with that.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Does nutella usually crumble to pressure like this as wolf? Anyone?

This is starting to get annoying real quick though, both Nanook and nutella coming out of left field is just pissing me because I can’t read AtE, and moreso this is just stupid AtE (no offence)

If we’re gonna lash out at every scum read on us we might as well not even play the game.

I might not understand what caused this reaction but I really can’t see why you’d be so pissed and it’s heavily affecting how I’m reading you and I hate AtE because of its impact on my accuracy

Fuck me idk i always wanna read AtE like this as town

[unvote] [/unvote]

Tbf my frustration is only partly to do with this game.

Ok, talk to me. Let’s chat and talk about the game (or anything else!) so you can get a better read

I mean I have a town read on you anyway for your reaction but if everyone’s gonna do it then it’s gonna make me paranoid about town reading it in the first place. I had to go against half the cells in my body telling me not to town read it but I did anyway, but with each overreaction that kind of makes me want to question why I town read your reaction over the other person’s if that makes sense

I still feel like sitting on nutella because I thought I had good reasoning prior to this thing but i don’t really know. What are you thinking about JJJ / Epi / sprit ?

My thoughts on Jay still amount to “dropping like a lead balloon but the only time I’ve seen him play his reads were inverted.” Sprit seems fine enough? I don’t really have a TR on him but I don’t think I’d TK him either. Epi is meh but we did something similar in Inception and I think he was town there? So idk we might just clash.

[tedxtr]

Nutella, can you give me some other reads of yours please?

See the earlier rainbow by Jay that I quoted earlier. My views mostly still align with that.

More interested in your explanation for them rather than the reads themselves, anything will do.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

*read list*

What make you compelled to town read me at this point exactly? Just curious as I'm just now starting to play for real.
Also can you tell me more about Ted? I've seen people read him town, so why?

I had/have liked your tone. You've seemed like the classic free-flowing post-whatever I'll Make Waves When I Get To It Dyslexicon I most associate with my internal Dyslexicon lexicon. I don't get the impression you're trying to look like something.

I've appreciated ted's barbed, no-nonsense go at the thread. His first move was to shit directly into my very own Corn Flakes. Given that he [to my memory] has not played with me before but has some conception of JaggedJimmyJay gives that motion an emboldened solver look that I like.

[Michelle]

Jack is town

Since I was scum and him villager I noticed Sloonei's way to confident clear someone. Of course I tryied to shade him in that game because of this without big succes, btw.
This game he posted this sentence for 2 more players (i need to Iso because I don't remember for whom).
This is enough now for me to TR Sloonei, scum would not be so sure.

Also my read on Jack is similar.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let's have a looksie at this big Jackwagon.

[nutella]

Nutella, can you give me some other reads of yours please?

See the earlier rainbow by Jay that I quoted earlier. My views mostly still align with that.

More interested in your explanation for them rather than the reads themselves, anything will do.

Most "explanations" I'd give at this stage are gonna be more based on meta and gut and general overall tone than any specific content, but if you ask about specific people I may be able to quantify some a bit more. Don't really have time to go in depth on anyone and everyone though.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Cases Are Scummy

[tedxtr]

Let's have a looksie at this big Jackwagon.

[tedxtr]

@sprityo you weren't an MVP nominee for this!

Why the focus on sprit? First and last time you mentioned him before this was in a list where you said you plus'd him (town read?).

Sometimes sprityo is responsive to the ol' motivational sack tap.

You moved off him two posts later tho

did his response satisfy you or

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

He left the game long ago and didn't give me the villagery feeling he had in the inception game. I know he was 3rd part, but an independent can have towny posts easier than mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

Dance.

[snip]

I don’t care about this nanook sig radishes kerfuffle that happened between pages 6 and 10 roughly, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say jack is mafia this game. Just pure gut. I have no reason other than I think it.

[snip]

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

Per the rules,

10. Character claiming, roleclaiming and infodumping are illegal. You may say whatever you like in BTSC.



Plus this just reads like the classic baddie "valuable civvie" ploy (it used to have a spiffy name, but I forget what it was). "If you try to lynch me, you will be sorry." More than anything else you have said, this post makes me think you're bad, and you weren't King of my Shining Civvie Hill before this post.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now, it may change, but this post is like a "HI! I'M BADDIE McBADDERSON" nametag in my eyes.

Jesus Christ....

My role isn’t unlynchable.

I, Jackofhearts2005, am unlynchable as a player. I have been playing mafia for 14 years and been mislynched like 5 times total.

Let's lynch this guy.

Jack votes other than nutella and I. I'll get into her later, there's a whole Jack/nutella Thing to review. Epi's vote is standard fare, and I won't bother interpreting it until I see what he does with any resulting Jack dancing. sprityo's motivation isn't far removed from my own. Pretty much gut stuff; his reads look random. S~V~S's vote looks extremely authentic to me, because she has not likely been around the site to be familiar with Jack's running "unlynchable" gag. Dom's vote exists. There's the only name on the wagon that immediately perturbs me.

[speedchuck]

You’re totally AtEing

It's spelled EATing.

(seriously what is AtE)

[Michelle]

I am here, will catch up and post thoughts later today.

Uh, “champion”!

Going at Iso links and choosing the first.
Strange how he looks non interested in this game

[tedxtr]

You’re totally AtEing

It's spelled EATing.

(seriously what is AtE)

Appeal to Emotion

[speedchuck]

Cases Are Scummy

Then I'm towncore.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Cases Are Scummy

Then I'm towncore.

Good enough for me!

[speedchuck]

You’re totally AtEing

It's spelled EATing.

(seriously what is AtE)

Appeal to Emotion

Ah, I see. We should lynch everyone who does that. I friggin HATE AtE.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@sprityo you weren't an MVP nominee for this!

Why the focus on sprit? First and last time you mentioned him before this was in a list where you said you plus'd him (town read?).

Sometimes sprityo is responsive to the ol' motivational sack tap.

You moved off him two posts later tho

did his response satisfy you or

I wasn't intent on waiting around. I tapped his sack and left him to respond to it however he may -- the primary objective was to light a fire under his arse. He's a very capable hunter when he wants to be. It looks on the surface like he has been responsive here, though I have not read everything I missed.

[nutella]

Yeah idk what Dom's vote was about.

[tedxtr]

I am mostly interested to see how sprit does his VCA hunting thing that I really like, but there's a lot of other things at the moment, and part of that is a reason why I asked you about it. The nanook / sig thing was going on and I didn't understand why you deflected to sprit when there was plenty of other stuff to focus on.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

He did jump into the sig/Nanook thing tho

[speedchuck]

I don't see any AtE in nutella's ISO? I don't know what anyone is going on aboot.

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: Master Radishes ] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am mostly interested to see how sprit does his VCA hunting thing that I really like, but there's a lot of other things at the moment, and part of that is a reason why I asked you about it. The nanook / sig thing was going on and I didn't understand why you deflected to sprit when there was plenty of other stuff to focus on.

I am inclined to view sprityo as civilian, and if so he can be a great asset. So anything that pushes him there is worth a go.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]nutella[/mention] I'm going to dig into Jack's recent posts. As I do that it'd be super if you could say how his view of you has impacted your view of him.

[sprityo]

You’re totally AtEing

It's spelled EATing.

(seriously what is AtE)

Appeal to Emotion

Ah, I see. We should lynch everyone who does that. I friggin HATE AtE.

[sprityo]

You’re totally AtEing

It's spelled EATing.

(seriously what is AtE)

Appeal to Emotion

Ah, I see. We should lynch everyone who does that. I friggin HATE AtE.

[tedxtr]

sprit what do you think of my vca picture

[sprityo]

sprit what do you think of my vca picture

Huh?

Do you mean that tiny cropped image I can barely see on my phone?

[nutella]

@nutella I'm going to dig into Jack's recent posts. As I do that it'd be super if you could say how his view of you has impacted your view of him.

If you read my last several posts you'll see that I've considered several possibilities --he could be town in a wrong tunnel, he could be scum taking advantage of history, idk.

[tedxtr]

i was gonna resize it but fuck it, it's hard

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Like Nutella is playing what I would expect from her if she tried really hard to mimic her town game.

Or she’s just town.

Like she’s hitting her scumtell a and her towntells.

This seems to be the epicenter of the Jacktella quake. I am brought to wonder:

How do we (we who know nutella) anticipate her to respond to a post like this, where is she is told she is playing to her norms in both alignments? This is an accusation from Jack after all, even if "softened" by the town half of the presentation. I'm not surprised nutella called it garbage, or that she wondered aloud if a mafioso Jack would be so obvious as to openly hedge in this manner.

[sprityo]

connection getting spotty, will probably be flying until EOD, so I’ll have to catch you guys later. Might be able to check once we stop in Germany for fuel

I’ll be home just in time to participate in a normal time zone

[tedxtr]

I mean, nutella, thing is Jack has been building his read on you from the start of the game. His progression read to me as a town progression rather than something pre-planned, as he kind of got there and didn't use this history to leverage a scum read on you out of the blue, if it makes any sense. I don't think scum!Jack goes into the game singling you out and I think that would've been a much more sudden, "in your face" kind of scum read that lacks any build up, if he was gonna use his history with you against you.

[speedchuck]

Like Nutella is playing what I would expect from her if she tried really hard to mimic her town game.

Or she’s just town.

Like she’s hitting her scumtell a and her towntells.

This seems to be the epicenter of the Jacktella quake. I am brought to wonder:

How do we (we who know nutella) anticipate her to respond to a post like this, where is she is told she is playing to her norms in both alignments? This is an accusation from Jack after all, even if "softened" by the town half of the presentation. I'm not surprised nutella called it garbage, or that she wondered aloud if a mafioso Jack would be so obvious as to openly hedge in this manner.

Is that where it started? Did he push any harder?

Because I'd be surprised to see nutella offended by this cushy push. More like 'meh' and 'jack do you even have an opinion'

[tedxtr]

i'm gonna go sleep and roll potential worlds in my head

cya later peeps, probs gonna be back like 3 hours before EoD and skimming in between til then.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is that where it started? Did he push any harder?

Because I'd be surprised to see nutella offended by this cushy push. More like 'meh' and 'jack do you even have an opinion'

It has become a significant interchange -- he pushed harder and she pushed back. I'll leave nutella to answer the second line.