The Syndicate

My face when I lose to obvious mafia members in every game.

Matahari is owed a gigantic apology.

Might be the most annoyed I've ever been about Mafia.

This hockey game is bullshit too. Everything is bullshit.

I wanted to set them both on fire when the constant defenses based on nothing persisted into MyLo. But I was dead. That's why I was dead. Good game.

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:42 pm Old Skool doesn’t ignore evidence, and someone should have called out their claims of not using their powers. Omg I was half laughing, half screaming at my phone all end game!

Trust me, a number of us brought it up. And it should have been enough in that ridiculous nonsense of a MyLo. You did your job. Something to consider moving forward though -- if you have conclusive evidence, call it 100% instead of 80.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:47 pmYour little paragraphs against me and Eloh shook us in our boots way more than Jay's ISOs (sorry JJJ lol).

Very necessary comparison.

Indeed, in a game with legal claims -- just say "I watched dunya targeting nova". No need to conceal the juicy bits in a setup like this.

Regardless, you were concerned Matahari that you might not "fit" with the present style of Mafia played here. Clearly you did, and did very well. No doubt it my mind about that.

At least this one will be an easy Hall of Fame update.

I honestly don’t think there’s a fair solution to when deadlines should be.

Good time for North and South America? Too late for Europe.

Good time for Europe? Literally the middle of the night for Australia, or the crack of dawn. Americans are at work.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:37 pm Jackofhearts2005 - I always lie about "pm'ing the host". Like pm'ing Epi for clarification about what my role can and can't do. It was a fake role. Of course I didn't pm Epi or get a response. That's still within game boundaries and you are getting that "host confirmation" you like without breaking rules.

I don't think that in an ideal game the host should ever be mentioned by players period. It may not always be feasible, but any usage of the host to propel any agenda (civilian or mafia) is lame IMO.

Also I don't remember whether anyone said anything, and I'm not going to go digging -- but if any mafioso in this game used that deleted post incident against me even for a second, that was bullshit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:46 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 12:59 pm I think the discussion should be more than just about deadline times: the complaints in this game were about the flurry of activity around the deadline contributing to the feeling of being lost. I think this has more to do with the pacing of a game rather than its scheduling.

Perhaps trying a game with the hammer voting that speedchuck mentioned or implementing an x-number of times someone is allowed to change their vote type of rule could try to help us find balance so people don't always feel overwhelmed at end of day. Just a couple thoughts. The latter is harder to implement if it's a crazy number, but something like 2-3 vote changes a day phase could work.

I'm a bit hesitant to implement hammer voting just as a means to avoid this issue. Hammer voting is an entirely different format than deadline voting and changes a lot of things. That's not to say we can't implement it. The more variety we have in our games, the more fresh things will be.

Limiting the number of vote changes would also be an interesting tweak. My only concern would be enforcement of the rule (players don't always announce their votes, and so hosts/other players do not always see them), but I'm sure it could be managed. We'd just have to make sure it's emphasized.

I've been considering running a special game in the pure hammer format -- no deadlines exist at all, and a day cannot end until a hammer is reached. Maybe if people like that, it can become a unique game type.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:51 pm Also I don't remember whether anyone said anything, and I'm not going to go digging -- but if any mafioso in this game used that deleted post incident against me even for a second, that was bullshit.

No, we were all kind of upset how you took it into your hands and handled it instead of Epi though. I thought that was kinda rude to Epi. I also didn't like the whole leetic accidental mafia flip incident. Another instance where Epignosis was tagged in the game rather than alerted privately to correct his mistake before people can make a big issue out of things.

When the host has a rule to PM him, and people don't, that sucks fun out of the game for both alignment sometimes. It's practically trying to town confirm oneself through the host.

I had no choice. Epi didn't know what I was talking about when I PMed him, and if I am going to be suspected for something I could not control whatsoever, then you bet your ass I am going to say something. I started with the host, but when I had no option left I did what I had to do. That's not Epi's fault -- it was a shit sandwich. If anyone thinks I am just going to sit on that though and let people tell me that I slipped, that's horseshit.

Regarding leetic, I didn't know whether it was an accident or not. I probably should have PMed that, but in the heat of a mafia flip I reacted in real-time. There was no intent to "town clear" myself -- that never works anyway.

I have never played one like that before. No idea what to expect.

Hall of Fame is updated apart from the spreadsheet, which I'll get to shortly.