The Syndicate

nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lorab please come back and play more games

looks like it's time for some..............

proximity analsys B)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:19 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:44 am Let me iriterate from last Day phase: If you have suspicions about a players action that goes beyond their alignment, do not talk about it in thread. Figure out their alignment, probe and get your ideas clear, but do not engage in open guesswork. In fact, let's stop with that altogether right now.

Ok?

If I understand you correctly, you're saying we should stop ppaying mafia?

I think he's talking about role related stuff, like guessing about people's curses or whatever. I think it's a culture thing. Where I come from speculation is always free game and it's on the cursed to be less obvious about it.

I only skimmed a lot of what happened last night. I plan to read through the last 3 hours again, seems like a good place to start regardless.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:33 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:28 amI think he's talking about role related stuff, like guessing about people's curses or whatever. I think it's a culture thing. Where I come from speculation is always free game and it's on the cursed to be less obvious about it.

It's not a culture thing.

It seems like a culture thing though?? Am I misunderstanding what you're talking about? someone mentioned the idea that your vote might have been forced I assumed that was the topic of your admonishment

ok yeah I think I understand the dizzy thing

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:34 am If Lorab is bad, she has a teammate in jeopardy. If she truly suspects me, why not put me further into the running to die?

Epi, can you plz expand on this? I'm still on my rewind, plz forgive me if you already have

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:36 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:34 am If Lorab is bad, she has a teammate in jeopardy. If she truly suspects me, why not put me further into the running to die?

Epi, can you plz expand on this? I'm still on my rewind, plz forgive me if you already have

LoRab was holding off on voting for a very long time yesterday despite proclaiming Epi has her top suspect every time she posted. I believe the theory behind Epi's post is that she didn't want to commit a vote to a player if it wasn't likely to help save her teammate.

Who was on the poll at that time? was lorab one of the vote-havers?

More context questions:

Lorab was very anti l Speedchuck, was he ever at risk of being lynched yesterday?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

what the fuck

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:51 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:42 am nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lorab please come back and play more games

looks like it's time for some..............

proximity analsys B)

I was scanning Kyle's ISO for interactions with LoRab and... I'm scared of whatever it is drunk kyle intended to do to us all last night.

proximity analysis* :[

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:19 pmwhat I do not like, as noted elsewhere, is that he used the exact same reasoning for suspecting Speedchuck as LoRab.

can you explain this? I didn't suspect lorab

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:19 pmwhat I do not like, as noted elsewhere, is that he used the exact same reasoning for suspecting Speedchuck as LoRab.

can you explain this? I didn't suspect lorab

wait nevermind I get it. You mean that lorab had the same reason for suspecting Speedchuck as I did.

I took interest in LC's Speedchuck case because it related to things that happened surrounding me specifically and because it validated my viewpoint that mafia might be eager to use Jay's thing to their advantage without hitching their wagons to it too hard. Speedchuck fit that profile.

Ftr I no longer think that. I think speed looks good due to lorabs' pursuit, I want to do a full lorab iso at some point, but her pursuit of him seems a little too hot for distancing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:39 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:42 pm I could vote for:
Speedchuck
FZ

*Simpson's boy playing with a Ouija board*

I liked LC's case on Speedchuck and Epi's case on FZ, respectively. I think both showed behavior that might be displayed by mafia ready to take advantage of Jay's thing and, later your thing, to push a mislynch while staying out of the splash zone themselves.

Kyle, you addressed your suspicion of speedchuck in a little bit of detail here, but there's not a lot of meat. Could you elaborate on what your thought process RE: speedchuck was at this point?

I mean it's basically all there. I agreed with LC's analysis that speed seemed like he was nudging the Kylewagon forward without really hitching his horse to it.

it wasn't a very meaty read, my read on FZ wasn't meaty either, they were just players who I had any reason to believe were bad at all. There's much more meat on the table to work with now.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:44 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am voted daisy to preserve the tie, I'm okay with letting the rabbi choose

Which person did you move off of?

i didn't. I don't tend to vote until the eod when i can be most informed of current events. I'm considering changing this though.

FZ. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:09 pm Does anyone have the order of the votes? When did Wilgy vote for Kyle? When did Kyle vote for Daisy? And when did Daisy vote for Nutella?

@linki: I only read the part about JJJ and I'm sorry, I just don't see him as bad, especially when I consider LC bad.
What did you say about Daisy?

I believe I was the last player to vote, lorab and long con were tied 4-4.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:55 pm Kyle, who should we lynch tomorrow?

Idk yet, I want to look into long con and jay still.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:00 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:55 pm Kyle, who should we lynch tomorrow?

Idk yet, I want to look into long con and jay still.

How do you feel about Spacedaisy?

I had her as a town read cus she seemed like she'd hopped back into the same mindset she's had before she died. She'd be worth looking into again through the "lorab was mafia" lens after the last lynch though

i think the implication is that there's negative consequences for discussing the thing that dizzy asks us not to discuss

i want to point out... if lorab and I were teammates I would have had incentive to not preserve the tie. I hadn't had any particularly strong reads on either lorab or LC and was trying to understand the arguments behind both at day end, drunk mafia Kyle could have easily voted for either under the pretense of being convinced by something someone said. there would have been nothing stopping drunk maf Kyle from saving LR or dunking her for town credit.

drunk civ Kyle chose to let the rabbi decide

a strawman, but also a real actual argument I saw earlier I guess? wrote:but Kyle! What if both LC and Lorabs are mafia, maybe you voted daisy to save LC too? You fool, you imbecile.

well, no. If I were a mafia and 2 of my teammates were in the lead over anyone by more than one votes, that would mean one of them were definitely be going down. maf Kyle would want to be a part of it. Maf Kyle would absolutely opportunity to make sure the more powerful role, or the player with the more salvageable reputation survived, giving himself civ credit at the same time.

a different strawman wrote:but isn't that just a lot of wifom?

mmmore like aifom (ale inside of me)

i mean i get that but there's a difference between wifom and willfully making purposeful bad decisions.

i only say it because the concept of me voting for spacedaisy to save lorab or long con is being pushed around as if it's a realistic theory and it really isn't

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:48 pm i only say it because the concept of me voting for spacedaisy to save lorab or long con is being pushed around as if it's a realistic theory and it really isn't

This has nothing to do with why I suspect you, for the record. Well maybe a little, but only in the sense that you chose to essentially abstain from the vote.

I know, I wasn't talking about you.

I guess abstaining from the vote is technically an accurate description of what I did, but i did so because i trusted the Rabbi to be able to make a more educated decision than I could have done at that point in time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:42 pm Kyle, you're all about the proximity analysis but the majority of your recent posts are analyzing yourself and defending yourself. What are you about, m8?

I've been dealing with a mild hangover this morning so I'm kinda chilling in the dark rn. that combined with the burglary has left me without the time or energy to do ISO's yet. I plan to start with you, LC, Spacedaisy 2.0, and maybe some other Long Con voters. do you have any other suggestions?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:11 pm Drunk analysis? Did someone say Epignosis?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.

I recommend looking at LoRab quickly if you have time.

Tell me about lorab

11:56. Buzzed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

12:01. Shitfaced.

I don't know a single drunk this incoherent. I am drunk right now.

Maybe.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am voted daisy to preserve the tie, I'm okay with letting the rabbi choose

12:04. Had a quick shower and a cup of coffee.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

what the fuck

12:53 am pm

"What the hell did I do last night?"

I have a little experience here.

If you're shitfaced, you stay shitfaced for more than a ten minute window.

ok first of all all that stuff took place at like 8:30pm for me

second of all, there were fewer typos after the deadline cus there was no longer a time crunch and I could take as long as I wanted to make posts and ask questions. elplz eevator post was apparently my phone's best attempt at guessing what my fingers were saying when I was trying to type "plz elevator". I wasn't concerned about proofreading, I was concerned about comprehending the cases against lorabs, longcon as quickly as possible in order to make the best decision.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:15 pm You were coherent then.

What were you trying to say exactly?

coherent when?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:57 am ISO links:
Dave
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Epignosis
FZ.
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Long Con
LoRab
MacDougall
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
speedchuck

And our host, DFaraday.

bumping this forward for contemporary use

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:22 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:15 pm You were coherent then.

What were you trying to say exactly?

coherent when?

Your messages around " Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go " made sense.

Why is this one so fucked up?

What was your intended message, and what did it mean? Why is that your only unclear message?

"plz elevator pitch me on lorab vs. long con go"

it was the most disorganized message because it was the message I needed an answer to most desperately in the shortest amount of time. at the time it seemed like a pretty clear question, I think I noticed the elevator typo but was like "nah they'll get it" I guess I was wrong?

Epignosis every time you suspect me in a game it feels like I'm being graded on an English paper I did last minute.

"this sentence is completely illegible" "that word has another definition entirely in this context"

My impression from Jay's intereractions with lorab before death tend toward an earnest attempt to feel her out. He did an entire ISO on her as well as half an ISO on LC due to time constraints. The mafia Jay I've met is not afraid to bus teammates or do ISO's on them ending in negative views. I would like to review how that manifested in pirates mafia.

GTH jay good

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:36 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:33 pm Epignosis every time you suspect me in a game it feels like I'm being graded on an English paper I did last minute.

"this sentence is completely illegible" "that word has another definition entirely in this context"

This time you are being graded for your drunkenness by a bona fide wino extraordinaire.

implying i never done an english assignment while intoxicated

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:58 pm i never done

ah fuck

space daisy iso, the main point against her here is that she didn't give a stance on lorab early on and later voted separate from either bandwagon to maintain a tie while having limited involvement in the final hours due to social obligations.. which are... basically the exact same things I'm being looked at for lol.

I find her defenses relatable for that reason. Her big defense post earlier was almost just a much better worded version of my own defenses. I understand why she might not have had a solid read on LR yet because I also didn't have one yet. I also buy that she would probably save a teammate lorab given the opportunity. Lorab is an OG Lostpedian and opportunities to play with her now are seemingly rare. I would be surprised if that wouldn't have influenced SD's choice last night in a scenario of choosing whether to spare a teammate or not.

gth gooddaisy

rip speedchuck

isoing locon next, then I guess marmot.

long con did not mention lorab before his vote on her, cited as a vote to save himself

I think I'm gonna come back for marmot, I want to iso lorab first

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:18 am Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:29 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:18 am Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:49 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:29 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:18 am Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

Tellmemore.gif

I believe SD's defenses and don't find her pre lorab death posts all that suspicious either. I believe Jay is doing his best and I also have a role in mind for him.

the fact that neither of LC nor LR discussed each other while doing so and convincing us that the other player was more likely to be scum would have been their only chance at survival is troubling.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:53 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:40 am Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

stream of consciousness; I was commenting on lorabs pursuit of him. obviously his death makes him even less likely to be mafia

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:03 amWell, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

you arrived around 8:40, so you had about a half hour to figure things out. you made about 6 or 7 posts. you asked about the case against yourself and responded to my directly asking you directly about why I shouldn't vote for you (and lorab and a secret player named jaggedjimmyjag). you didn't ask about the case against lorab or jay, or anyone else for that matter.

also:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:52 pmI had several tabs open, for catching up, writing responses, Mortal Kombat, etc, and when I realized that the time was running out, the poll I voted in had Epi as the best possibility to save myself. After my vote went in, though, there was some shifting due to last-few-minutes vote changing, and Lorab was my only way.

which parts of this thread did you prioritize while catching up last night? even if you weren't able to get caught up completely, you at least started. what was your focus in those 27 minutes?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:43 pmLynching him would be a great idea.

him is nvn?

sorry I didn't realize that was a post made by you.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

I thought the "him"s here was referring to a separate entity so I got confused.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:16 pmPerhaps Kyle reacted so strongly to my early fake tell because I threatened his imperative need for survival.

I don't ever like to die, but there are times where I am more okay with dying than others.

1. getting lynched for playing a weak civ game: encourages me to try harder next time
2. getting night killed for playing too strong of a civ game: encourages me to dial it back a bit next time
3. getting lynched for any reason, including as part of process of elimination, when the mafia is already at enough of a deficit that the game is mostly won.

your thing was neither of those

FZ. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:05 pmKyle, can you remind me who you think the rest of the baddies are?

hm? sorry? I haven't claimed to have any idea of who the third mafia member could be. I think LC is a good place to start.

If LC flips mafia that leaves us 5 (correct math?) tries and 240 hours to find the third member, with like 4 or 5 info roles to guide our lynches. I'm not really worried about our chances.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:35 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:05 pmKyle, can you remind me who you think the rest of the baddies are?

hm? sorry? I haven't claimed to have any idea of who the third mafia member could be. I think LC is a good place to start.

If LC flips mafia that leaves us 5 (correct math?) tries and 240 hours to find the third member, with like 4 or 5 info roles to guide our lynches. I'm not really worried about our chances.

Do you have any alternative suspects?

For this lynch, not really. LC looks really bad and I think he's probably with the police. I think there's too much evidence pointing towards his and Lorabs partnership in the previous lynch, including but not limited to the fact that they didn't vote for each other or really discuss each other and the fact that there wasn't a push by anyone to add that one extra vote to save lorab by voting for long con.

If long con doesn't turn out to be mafia then the fact that there wasn't a push might implicate players who weren't around for the end of day or players who already had their votes on long con.

Very Good
Epi
JJJ
Sloonei
Kylemii

Pretty Good
Nutella
Wilgy
Mac
Dyslexicon

Neutral
Spacedaisy
Novaselinever

Maybe bad?
FZ
Marmot

Bad
LC

Off the top of my head this is where I place everyone rn. I can't remember any of novaselinever's specific contributions so that's why he's there. Spacedaisy is on yellow because I generally believe she has good vibes but there is still a slight chance that her motivation to not vote LC or LR was out of an aversion to voting for her longtime friends and also mafia buds. Slight. FZ and Marmot are on the bottom because I don't have any solid reasons to read them as civ. I was also etched out a little by FZ's recent post asking me why I hadn't personally solved the entire game yet, and if LC does flip civ then FZ's vote on him looks less than great.

That's all just off the top of my head, though. There's definitely some legwork that could be done there, but rn I don't want to do legwork, I want to play Skyrim. I'm following along and checking in every 30 minutes or so. If LC comes online later and makes a particularly moving case for himself then I'll probably get back into search mode.

Dyslexicon is a tone read. I find their posts agreeable for the most part and I think the journey they've been through in an attempt to read me seems genuine. that is another point that could use some further legwork.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:30 pm I don't understand your mindset with regard to FZ.

She was, as I recall, the prime mover against Long Con.

You think Lorab and Long Con would tiptoe around each other, but FZ. would just come in guns blazing against LC?

well, that would probably be where doing the legwork would/will come in handy

but I explained in the later paragraph that FZ probably makes more sense in a Mafia where LC isn't part of it.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:52 pm Oops, I slipped.

Marmot's bad. Thanks, Marmot.

wait what happened?

nut, is the main thing that you suspect Jay's marmot vote was forced and that the mafia selected one of their own (marmot) to be vote recipient for wifom purposes?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:40 pm nut, is the main thing that you suspect Jay's marmot vote was forced and that the mafia selected one of their own (marmot) to be vote recipient for wifom purposes?

You're several minutes behind buddy. I did think that briefly and do not anymore. I misinterpreted Jay's post. He often just says his hand slipped when he decides to change a vote.

mm! okay