The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pmKyle’s just voting me because he’s trying to save himself and knows I’m the next scapegoat.

???

I'm voting for you because you're the most likely player to have killed sprityo over the other 3 possibilities.

I'm also... not trying to save myself. if I have to be lynched to prove your guilt then I can accept that

uh.... what is The Math. Has anyone done The Math recently

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pmKyle’s just voting me because he’s trying to save himself and knows I’m the next scapegoat.

???

I'm voting for you because you're the most likely player to have killed sprityo over the other 3 possibilities.

I'm also... not trying to save myself. if I have to be lynched to prove your guilt then I can accept that

Please explain to me how Scotty is the most likely person to have killed sprityo. What qualifies him for this achievement?

already explained this. you were instrumental in lynching Nutella and LC, Sloonei is unlikely to have used his role in a nefarious way, and spacedaisy is less likely to be even by extension. That leaves Scotty

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:59 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pmKyle’s just voting me because he’s trying to save himself and knows I’m the next scapegoat.

???

I'm voting for you because you're the most likely player to have killed sprityo over the other 3 possibilities.

I'm also... not trying to save myself. if I have to be lynched to prove your guilt then I can accept that

Sounds good!

i dont really understand what your plan is for after I flip, aren't you just going to die the next phase? how does this benefit you at all

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pmKyle’s just voting me because he’s trying to save himself and knows I’m the next scapegoat.

???

I'm voting for you because you're the most likely player to have killed sprityo over the other 3 possibilities.

I'm also... not trying to save myself. if I have to be lynched to prove your guilt then I can accept that

Please explain to me how Scotty is the most likely person to have killed sprityo. What qualifies him for this achievement?

already explained this. you were instrumental in lynching Nutella and LC, Sloonei is unlikely to have used his role in a nefarious way, and spacedaisy is less likely to be even by extension. That leaves Scotty

By extension of what?

extension of sloonei's role and their mutual trust, in addition to some other things that have happened

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:33 pmWhat do you think of Boomslang, Kyle? Enough about me and you for now

idk dude I've mostly been focused on the pika2 thing recently. boomslang's behavior and treatment of sig(?) irked me early on in cerberus before the merge. I could see him being one of the remaining badboys

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:41 pm I'm also going to call attention to the shift in kyle's attitude from yesterday to today. Yesterday he prioritized self-preservation in his vote for me:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:02 pm voting for [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine for self preservation I guess, and also in the hopes that he's the pika2 killer

Today he is willing to play the sacrificial lamb:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:10 am i don't mind going first if it's necessary for PiE

the difference is that then my life would have used up two lynches to narrow things down from 4 to 3. Narrowing things down from 2 to 1 is mathematically better and more acceptable. I don't mind dying if it's as a stepping stone to victory.

I also still have unanswered questions about the actual motivation for his vote yesterday. When it came time to place it, he emphasized self-preservation and a vague prayer about my potential badness (yuck). But he also spent some time picking up on one particular talking point about me and framing it negatively. We had a lengthy exchange about this after the day, but I never got a clear sense of whether he was actually suspicious of me at the time of his vote. It seemed to me like he wanted there to be justification for his inevitable sloonei vote, but has been unable to produce any.

If you have new questions then you should ask them, I already answered everything you've questioned.

you act as if there should have never been any reason for you to be considered suspicious. sloonei, my survival and well-being in this game hinged on me ideally finding the pika2 killer and lynching them instead of me. the only tools in my toolbox were my subpar case-making skills and the knowledge that it was probably you or scotty.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:06 pmHe denied that Daisy's alignment matterer at all, despite claiming to be profoundly concerned with my treatment of her.

It didn't. Am I missing something? Explain how it did. Why are you still so adamant on this point.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:45 pm i'm in full-on fuck-it i'm-gonna-probably-be-lynched-but-at-least-i'll-be-hella-smug-when-i'm-right mode

hell yeah

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:54 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:51 pm And since I'm bombarding you with questions, what is your take on Kylemii?

Eh. I feel like the dude's playstyle is at odds with other people's playstyle, and that's causing him a lot of grief. I don't really scumread him, but I'm not gonna really defend him all too much. I find Kyle hard to read, and nothing he's said, or any point made against him is enough to break past my own self-doubt when it comes to him.

what part of my playstyle puts me at odds with others styles

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 pm Kylemii:

Who killed Scotty Night 2?

I don't actually understand the purpose of this question. I don't think Scotty killed himself and if the theory that mafia can't kill accross borderlines is correct then nut and LC couldn't have touched him either. So Scotty's killer would have had to have been the 3rd original member of the Even Stevens as well as a Cerberus Baby and that's actually as far as that line of reasoning goes. There's better paths to search.

But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:07 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 pm Kylemii:

Who killed Scotty Night 2?

I don't actually understand the purpose of this question. I don't think Scotty killed himself and if the theory that mafia can't kill accross borderlines is correct then nut and LC couldn't have touched him either. So Scotty's killer would have had to have been the 3rd original member of the Even Stevens as well as a Cerberus Baby and that's actually as far as that line of reasoning goes. There's better paths to search.

But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess

"Better paths to search?"

What?

"But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess"

What?

it's math, Epignosis.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:07 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 pm Kylemii:

Who killed Scotty Night 2?

I don't actually understand the purpose of this question. I don't think Scotty killed himself and if the theory that mafia can't kill accross borderlines is correct then nut and LC couldn't have touched him either. So Scotty's killer would have had to have been the 3rd original member of the Even Stevens as well as a Cerberus Baby and that's actually as far as that line of reasoning goes. There's better paths to search.

But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess

"Better paths to search?"

What?

"But if Scotty is mafia then the 4th Even Steven is a Cerberus by necessity. Barring cross border kills I guess"

What?

it's math, Epignosis.

Cerberus member kills Scotty night 1, Scotty becomes Cerberus. Scotty moves to Pikachu and kills sprityo. Original Cerberus member goes wherever and does whatever

my phone died while I was responding to this I'll summarize

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:57 pmBecause if you're trying to understand why I might be treating a certain player a certain way, there should be some level of consideration into that player's position in the game: what the source of my treatment of them is, how they might be treating me, and also maybe what their alignment is. You seemed to just jump from"Sloonei is acting weird toward Spacedaisy" to "Lynch Sloonei". I suppose it's less to do with the specifics, and more about a perceived lack of critical examination on your part of the merits of the case you were making.

ok I guess I see where you're coming from but please remember that this has been a 2 month long game with 0 precedent for info roles. my assumption has been that there weren't any, I don't automatically assume that any player who has a town read on another player could have mechanical information on that player. It didn't even cross my mind until Quin's comment

Like I said before, it seemed as if you might just be looking to work your way onto the bandwagon, rather than trying to suss out the best possible vote.

I think you might have a problem with confirmation bias here. I think you assume because you know something that it should be obvious to everyone else, but that's not the case. My reasons for suspecting you were legitimate despite the conclusion they drew me to seemingly being likely wrong. You did the same thing in fiddler.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] please chill out.

your question was ambiguous, that's not my fault.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:25 pmWhat in the hell are you going on about?

A Cerberus member killed Scotty Night 2, not NIght 1.

okay.

Scotty stayed Cerberus.

Scotty definitelt moved to Pikachu. You already know this.

He moved to Pikachu along with others in accordance with the first button push.

are you okay?

Who is the original Cerberus member?

dude I don't remember what players were in which tribes at the start it's been like 3 weeks

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:42 pm @Epignosis please chill out.

your question was ambiguous, that's not my fault.

Which question was ambiguous?

The one where I asked "Who killed Scotty Night 2?"

yea

I am also incredibly in favor of a Kyle lynch today tbh

I'm not up for endless boring wordwall debates with no actual payoff involved. If you've already made up your mind to vote me to clear out the PoE then hey, just do it. I don't mind.

Lynch me or lynch Scotty. It doesn't actually matter which. Either way I won't have to respond to any more of this and Scotty goes down. I'm not interested in arguing about things that don't matter when it basically comes down to a coin flip.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:51 pmI also think you are the Pika2 killer by process of elimination. And I'm not sure I buy that you didn't think there would be any potentially information-gathering roles in a 40+ role madness Game of Champions.

name one other info role we've seen

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:53 pmScotty stayed in Cerberus until the button was pushed. Like everybody else there. Him getting killed didn't usher him on to Pikachu, as your comma implies.

"Cerberus member kills Scotty night 1, Scotty becomes Cerberus. Scotty moves to Pikachu and kills sprityo. Original Cerberus member goes wherever and does whatever"

What does "Scotty becomes Cerberus" even mean?

jesus fuck dude

i think you can figure out based on context that I meant Scotty becomes an evil even.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:01 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:58 pm I am also incredibly in favor of a Kyle lynch today tbh

I'm not up for endless boring wordwall debates with no actual payoff involved. If you've already made up your mind to vote me to clear out the PoE then hey, just do it. I don't mind.

Lynch me or lynch Scotty. It doesn't actually matter which. Either way I won't have to respond to any more of this and Scotty goes down. I'm not interested in arguing about things that don't matter when it basically comes down to a coin flip.

No interest in a civilian win. If you are good, your priority should be making your ideas and opinions clear. You have not done that. You have said the most obscure shit I've ever seen in Mafia.

You are bad.

And if you aren't bad, it still won't be Scotty lynched. It will be Spacedaisy.

This is the kind of attitude that makes me okay with dying.

A win will happen with or without me being alive for it. If I need to die to prove that Scotty is the one who killed sprityo then that's okay. That's an acceptable and pragmatic sacrifice, and ultimately better for my mental health than pounding my head against a brick wall which is seemingly the only alternative.

*sigh*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:06 amWho is the Cerberus member who killed Scotty Night 2?

give me a list of what players originated on cerberus that are still alive and we can talk about it. i don't remember everyone who was there other than like.... Scotty, and Sloonei.

Why aren't you hunting for that Cerberus member?

im not interested in doing everything all at once, I mostly just want to solve this garbage fire, drawing that connection hadn't even occurred to me until you mentioned it. if scotty became an even in his second life after being killed by the evens then it makes logical sense that one of the members of his tribe must have been an even

And why have you not applied this thinking to any other person who has been Night killed heretofore?

i don't understand this question, you asked me to analyze the kill

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:16 am3. Why have you not applied the thinking that someone has turned to any other person who has been Night killed until now?

oh i see.

basically cus it's never actually been relevant. Scotty being in the pool of suspects for sprityo's killer means there's potential for him to be on the evil evens, the fact that he was killed by the evens reduces the probability that his first role was even stevens, but the chance that his second role is remains.

The same thing is potentially true for all players who've died once, but it hasn't been relevant for other players because of how the lynches have gone.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:28 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:13 pm Boomslang, insertnamehere, Kylemii, Scotty, Sloonei, and Spacedaisy.

One of these right here had to have killed Scotty.

If you are voting Scotty, which one of these names killed Scotty Night 2?

Less than two hours ago.

oh. it wasn't addressed to me so i thought you were just asking everyone in general

from that list i'd have to say inh or boomslang

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] why do you think spacedaisy is more likely to be even than Scotty?

do you think the details in the rule lists implying changes in alignment after death are just red herrings?

is that really everyone who's still alive from cerberus? wow

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:58 pm Aight @Kylemii I wanna hear some GTH reads on people. You said you could see Boom as one of the remaining badboys, but I'm wondering if you'd do a cut and dry approach on everyone left in the game. Whatcha say?

yeah man

Boomslang: bad
colonialbob: bad?
Dom: mmm good?
Dragon D Luffy: good
Epignosis: good
insertnamehere: bad
Kylemii: good
Quin: ....good?
Scotty: bad
Sloonei: good
Spacedaisy good
S~V~S : good

Dom, Cbob, and quin were the hardest to place

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:07 pm Also yeah nothing has changed since last night. I was still a little on the fence about Kyle but his responses to Epi and I lightly grilling him did the opposite of inspire me. I'm finally actually starting to see an actual baddie in Kyle and not just defaulting to him by process of elimination.

I really wish you would reconsider

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:15 pmAt the end of the day, man, at least you still have another life so it’s not the biggest of deals here.

valid point.

I thought you were willing to die for PoE purposes

im always ready to die. but like im always in favor of methods to E the P that don't involve my death even if dying means I can focus on my Skyrim career.

i have a question for everyone

please consider the scenario where I am lynched on day 17 and flip civ. what player would you most prioritize looking at during day 18?

well... player(s)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:45 pm please consider the scenario where I am lynched on day 17 and flip civ. what player would you most prioritize looking at during day 18?

Spacedaisy

wbu

I would appreciate others answers as well, I'd @ everyone but that would take 1 million years

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:45 pm please consider the scenario where I am lynched on day 17 and flip civ. what player would you most prioritize looking at during day 18?

i would appreciate a few more answers this please

thank you

love,
Kyle

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:59 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:45 pm please consider the scenario where I am lynched on day 17 and flip civ. what player would you most prioritize looking at during day 18?

i would appreciate a few more answers this please

thank you

love,
Kyle

In that case, I’ve alredy volunteered to be lynched to rest weary minds. I can stand by my word. But if it’s not you, either it’s Epi or teams can cross pollinate and that would piss me off. I Very Strongly Think you are not Strex, at least. So there’s that.

I would honestly like to lynch what I presume to be the last Strex tomorrow to avoid a NK on N17.

so you're saying epi over spacedaisy?

why is it Macs acolytes and not just macolytes

mac-olytes

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:26 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:23 pmmac-olytes

Brilliant.

Are you a macolyte?

im a mac n cheez knight

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:36 pm Aubergine kyle
He’s bad. No doubt about it.
So [VOTE: kylemii] aubergine

I don't mind the vote as much as the implication that my screenname counts as 3 syllables :\

wh..... what

wait do you guys read my posts and think "cool it's my good friend ky.... le mii"

:0

idk sometimes i read it that way too i guess

i guess it depends on what accent you use???

ive never heard anyone say beowulf out loud, isn't that the dude who fights vampires but also is a vampire?

tfw you find out the name you've had for 26 years can be either 1 syllable or 2 depending on whether or not the e is silent and also you only found out cus your pal Sloonei voted for you in haiku form leading to a life shattering Google search:

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:30 am more like KyLesMis amirite

oh shit nice

what is [reasons]

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:27 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:15 am what is [reasons]

Remember that time you were insanified?

It has nothing to do with [reasons] but remember that time?

that actually just creates more questions???

are you sure you're not just making things up