The Syndicate

I have to go to bed. Nite nite!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:03 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:39 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?
I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.
Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.
That's the point. -1 is less than 0.
-1 is less than 0. I don't even know what that means. I mean, I do, but not in this context.

I would like Long Con to analyze this line of thinking. He likes telling me I'm full of shit. Maybe he can have fun with you for a chance.

Epi, it's like you had a stroke, and no longer understand simple things anymore.

Mesk and Dom are considered zeroes because of lack of content. So they're equal at zero, lynching either low poster has the same value. BUT! Mesk has some content that is suspicious. So she gets notched one point to the negative, making her a relative -1 to Dom's established zero. Clearly, the unspoken value system places suspiciousness at a lower number than Civvishness. If there had been a hypothetical third low-poster who had one or two posts that really rang Civ, then they might have been +1, less of a good lynch target despite being a near-equally low poster.

I refuse to believe that you have lost the ability to understand simple concepts. Therefore you are pretending to not understand as an agenda. Maybe the agenda is to make the baddies think twice about killing you, and maybe it's to make the Civs think twice about lynching you. OR some third option, but there's damn well something going on with you here, and this kind of fakery makes me suspicious.

The poll order is... not meaningful, I think.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:47 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:33 am
Epi, it's like you had a stroke, and no longer understand simple things anymore.

Mesk and Dom are considered zeroes because of lack of content. So they're equal at zero, lynching either low poster has the same value. BUT! Mesk has some content that is suspicious. So she gets notched one point to the negative, making her a relative -1 to Dom's established zero. Clearly, the unspoken value system places suspiciousness at a lower number than Civvishness. If there had been a hypothetical third low-poster who had one or two posts that really rang Civ, then they might have been +1, less of a good lynch target despite being a near-equally low poster.

I refuse to believe that you have lost the ability to understand simple concepts. Therefore you are pretending to not understand as an agenda. Maybe the agenda is to make the baddies think twice about killing you, and maybe it's to make the Civs think twice about lynching you. OR some third option, but there's damn well something going on with you here, and this kind of fakery makes me suspicious.
No. Mesk had a point in her favor, and I pointed it out on Day 1, but you called it "buddying."

How's my long game going so far? How's that "buddying" working out for me with my "buddy" lynched?

I'd say you chose the wrong buddy.

And if you're talking about the "I don't know about dirt" or whatever, you already cancelled that out by claiming to have reevaluated it following her later post about "Civilians means scum?" Sooo... how does she have a point in her favour?

Plus, I doubt JJJ was using your perspective when he voted. Isn't it more likely that he had found something suspicious in her posts using his own perspective?

Since you are prodding for the Long Con Show... I was going to try to let this one go, but you're playing me like a finely-tuned fiddle here so I'll go ahead and waste my time some more. WTF is this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:27 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:24 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 am Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*
So much for inspiration.
Dom, as a choice, was never that inspiring.
I'm voting Dom?

No. I'm voting 3J. You're voting Mesk.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:53 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:43 am Hopefully this isn't huge as hell and is legible on mobile.

Gun to head reads results

Spoiler: show

Please let me know if I entered your shit in incorrectly.
3J had Mesk as good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:20 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:18 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:16 am Mesk514
what about her
I agree with you that the base logic behind a Mesk lynch is similar to that of a Dom lynch, but it's a more substantive option.
3J voted Mesk over Dom because...Mesk posted more than Dom did? What is this anarchy?

I was under the impression that JJJ had expressed suspicion of her previously, and that's why he wanted to move from Dom to Mesk. I didn't research his posts to verify that though.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:00 pm another example, an LC townie flip would mean Epi is scum

Damn, then let's skip the middleman and get straight to an Epi lynch!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:35 pm Several people have given their opinions on Mesk no one has mentioned Dom like at all other than to say he hasn't said anything.

Ok.

I thought Dom was probably trying to buddy me by responding to my post. His second post makes me think he's likely a baddie trying to hide behind "not putting in the effort to read or post."

Does that work for you?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:42 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:35 pm Several people have given their opinions on Mesk no one has mentioned Dom like at all other than to say he hasn't said anything.
Ok.

I thought Dom was probably trying to buddy me by responding to my post. His second post makes me think he's likely a baddie trying to hide behind "not putting in the effort to read or post."

Does that work for you?
LC. Calling out buddying at the drop of a hat.

I like your hat too, buddy!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?

I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:11 am I think Epi played a big role in disintegrating the Jack case, yeah.

To my recollection, Epi didn't comment much on the Jack case. He spoke of the value he found from having an active player like Jack in the thread, and that he's happy to revisit lynching him later. I haven't looked back, because I'm not sitting here for long periods, just checking in as I do other things... but that's what I remember.

I don't consider anything "crumbled" about the Jack case.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:16 am Rip SD

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:04 am A janitor in this game. Very interesting.

Though I suspect the Martian is involved with that. Too many secrets.

Going to bed now, will poke back after some sleep.
I understand these words but not the sentences.

In the wider Mafia world, I believe nightkills most often reveal the role of the deceased. In our microcosm, it was never that way, and I believe Marmot is playing it old-school in this one... no infodumping and no reveals on the nightkills.

Is his thumb farting?

I watched Get Out twice. Really great.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:00 pm So here's the problem I have with Dunya. And in general.

I try to be really aware of my tunneling instinct so I gut re-evaluate my suspects as I go. When I go a few rounds with someone and we both back off, I tend to townread them for no good reason. Also, I tend to be able to scare people off.

This is really convenient for scum Jack. In ME, me and SVS did this a few times and as long as I discredited her enough, she stayed off me and I could pretend we were both burying the hatchet for a phase. Cause I didn't actually need to figure SVS out.

Now I'm feeling the same with Dunya but I do need to figure out her alignment. I've toyed with townreading her because she's not likely w/w based on yesterday.....but I've previously theorized that she was w/w with Jimmy after she made a fakey Jack/Jimmy scumteam theory.

So idk. I want to townread Dunya but realistically, nothing has changed.

(Things have changed with DDL so that's nice. Bob, enjoy orbiting my null read spot.)

Are there any other similarities to other games where you were scum that you'd like to share anecdotes about?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?
I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.
Shit Epi they're onto us!

But seriously, LC. You don't see my halo and my spikey shoes? The case can't keep twisting and turning to fit whatever new tinfoil should arise.

Can you explain what you mean here?

Sloonei said he thought the votes moved off you because the case crumbled. I reminded him of Epignosis' non-case-related reasons to not vote for you. Then you accuse me of "twisting and turning" for some tinfoil case?

That reaction just looks so bad to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?
I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.
Shit Epi they're onto us!

But seriously, LC. You don't see my halo and my spikey shoes? The case can't keep twisting and turning to fit whatever new tinfoil should arise.
Can you explain what you mean here?

Sloonei said he thought the votes moved off you because the case crumbled. I reminded him of Epignosis' non-case-related reasons to not vote for you. Then you accuse me of "twisting and turning" for some tinfoil case?

That reaction just looks so bad to me.
Name three suspects.

The main three on my mind are Jack, speedchuck, and Epignosis.

Well, with Jack, it started with his mirroring of my stance in the Epignosis Day 1 stuff, and he's just seemed super-scummy to me in, frankly, a non-stop way. I haven't said much because there has been plenty of suspicion on Jack, which I seriously approve of.

Epignosis, well, on one hand he's being impossibly contrary, which is just his nature, but on the other hand I can't shake the feeling that he and Jack are teammates. Little interactions, too-ironic-to-not-believe faketeaming, just the way they played both sides on me during Day 1. Epignosis is notoriously inscrutable, but gun to head I still suspect him.

And speedchuck... I totally forget why, but I know he's my third of Top 3 Suspects. I'll post this, and get back to you on speedy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?
I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.
Shit Epi they're onto us!

But seriously, LC. You don't see my halo and my spikey shoes? The case can't keep twisting and turning to fit whatever new tinfoil should arise.
Can you explain what you mean here?

Sloonei said he thought the votes moved off you because the case crumbled. I reminded him of Epignosis' non-case-related reasons to not vote for you. Then you accuse me of "twisting and turning" for some tinfoil case?

That reaction just looks so bad to me.
The case is nothingness. It's reaching for slips and it's "this post is weird." It's all tone and gut, even if you don't want to admit it.

Epi decided to not vote for me. Daisy and Eloh started tone reading me good.

The case twists because when the first nonslip is rejected by enough people, we come up with a new slip. I'm buddies with Jimmy per Dunya. I'm buddies with Epi now per you. Earlier I was buddies with Bob and I think I was accused of being buddies with Speed twice.

It's all bullshit. Tone reads for the townies (play more better) and frame ups for the baddies (play more better).

Why does my reaction look bad?

It looks bad because it jumps to the conclusion that I'm attacking you, when in reality I was just pointing out a fact to Sloonei. Massively overdefensive. You didn't have to say anything about it, but you said "Whoa, what a tinfoil, this case is bull!" Y'know?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:29 am speedchuck stuff
TMI Alert. My initial reception of speedchuck's handling of LC/Epi was a positive one, but I disagree with myself now.

In a scenario where both Epi and LC are civilians, speedchuck has exonerated one and defended the other based on what I perceive to be pretty dubious premises. High-roading both of them, by essentially suggesting both were being dumb instead of being suspicious, may be suggestive of unique information in speedchuck's possession -- information which could only come from a mafia alignment at this point in the game.

Exactly how I feel about that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:52 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:29 am speedchuck stuff
TMI Alert. My initial reception of speedchuck's handling of LC/Epi was a positive one, but I disagree with myself now.

In a scenario where both Epi and LC are civilians, speedchuck has exonerated one and defended the other based on what I perceive to be pretty dubious premises. High-roading both of them, by essentially suggesting both were being dumb instead of being suspicious, may be suggestive of unique information in speedchuck's possession -- information which could only come from a mafia alignment at this point in the game.
Exactly how I feel about that.
Is this the core of your own speedchuck suspicion or is there more?

I believe this is the kernel, but I know I have seen more that made me say "hmmm" about him, keeping him in my Top 3.

Linki: Oh yeah I voted speedchuck

Too sleepy, I was up till after 3am last night recarpeting stairs. Wilgy, JJJ, speedchuck.... my top suspect is speed, so consider my vote permanent. Good night!

Took a final look at vote tally. Epignosis is here. Hasn't weighed in or voted yet. Planning to vote late to have the most control over the lynch?

Good job, Civs! Hopefully this will lead to total game solving.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:35 pmWhat do we think of LC? He was early to adopt the J3 suspicion last cycle but voted Speed. I recall thinking he was bad previous and now something isn't sitting right.

I don't recall adopting the JJJ suspicion. Are you sure your memories of that are accurate?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:35 pmWhat do we think of LC? He was early to adopt the J3 suspicion last cycle but voted Speed. I recall thinking he was bad previous and now something isn't sitting right.
I don't recall adopting the JJJ suspicion. Are you sure your memories of that are accurate?
Lemme double cherck.

Chercking is what happens when a jerk checks.

jk

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:35 pmWhat do we think of LC? He was early to adopt the J3 suspicion last cycle but voted Speed. I recall thinking he was bad previous and now something isn't sitting right.
I don't recall adopting the JJJ suspicion. Are you sure your memories of that are accurate?
Lemme double cherck.
Chercking is what happens when a jerk checks. jk
You right. Idk what made me think you agreed with it. Bad feeling about LC absolved.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:12 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:56 pm Epignosis, you're being needlessly difficult about this and while I'm enjoying talking with you about it I don't see it as being actually relevant to moving the game forward in any way. Its not my job to teach you basic symbolic logic.
Yet you keep trying.

I suspect you. And I'm not interested in "symbolic logic." I am interested in how you showed no interest in lynching 3J until it became a "thing" again.

You or LC will get my vote as it stands tomorrow.

Do what you must. There's no way I'm voting for you tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:11 pm I'm going to leave Kylemii alone to let him do his thing. I think we tangled enough and got off on a damn tangent, and I respect his resoluteness even if we disagree on certain things. I do want to hear other people's opinions about my grievances though.

Moving on.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:35 pmWhat do we think of LC? He was early to adopt the J3 suspicion last cycle but voted Speed. I recall thinking he was bad previous and now something isn't sitting right.
I don't recall adopting the JJJ suspicion. Are you sure your memories of that are accurate?
Lemme double cherck.
Chercking is what happens when a jerk checks. jk
You right. Idk what made me think you agreed with it. Bad feeling about LC absolved.

Somebody read this whole exchange. Now look at the below:

JaggedJimmyJa
3
18%
Voters: Epignosis, nutella, Long Con
The hell?

Yeah, I changed to JJJ in the last couple of minutes of that lynch. Wilgy called me an early adopter of the JJJ suspicion, which wasn't true.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:48 pmYyyyyeeeeaaahhhhh. LC is currently number one most likely to get my vote tomorrow.

Oh, you've been champing at the bit to vote me all game.

Well, I never campaigned to get JJJ lynched; he wasn't a suspect of mine. I voted for him in the last few minutes because I liked it better in the end than the vote-for-low-poster choice (Dom/Mesk).

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:51 pm
Yeah, I changed to JJJ in the last couple of minutes of that lynch. Wilgy called me an early adopter of the JJJ suspicion, which wasn't true.
...Actually, in your words, you didn't recall adopting the JJJ suspicion... at all. You didn't specify "early" as what you were denying. But you voted for JJJ on day 3 when I encouraged people to switch to him at the end, and yet you never said anything about suspecting JJJ before or after that and you voted for speed on day 4. Something's not adding up here.

What's not adding up? I cast a vote for the guy because I preferred it... based mostly on what Epi was saying as I recall.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:59 pm Let's take a look at LC's day 3 game of "around-the-world"

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:52 pm Dammit epi, you inspired me.

vote dom

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 am Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:36 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 am come on LC (or kyle or quin or wilgy) join usss
This is pretty convincing.
....Ok man

Linki: Oh, you didn't like the idea of voting for dom or mesk after all, huh? So much for that "inspiration"

Do you really want me to respond to the inspiration thing? 'Cause you aren't understanding it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:06 am LC what are your thoughts on Jagged Jimmy Jay's slow burning suspicion of you that never turned into anything meaningful? What do you think his purpose for that was?

The purpose of that was presumably to crank up the heat on it at some point if necessary? Or to support some players' latent suspicion of me so that they would feel more confident coming after me?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:11 am LC, I'd rather hear your suspects going into Day 5.

I really have no idea where I'll vote at this stage. Go nuts.

I still really want to lynch Jack. I need to reevaluate my reads, I'll try to rainbow up a list to recall where I stand. I know I've been quiet; I've been doing a lot more reading than writing because of priorities that trump deep Mafia play. Most of my opinions are going to be based on whose cases and analyses I believe in the most, as opposed to my own ventures. I know that makes me not as good as most of you, and I do feel shame about it. It's just hard to avoid right now.

Good news is that I finally, tonight, about an hour ago, finished recarpeting our open-riser winder stairs. Now I have to move on to sanding all the baseboards before painting them white and putting them back on the walls. We're hosting a Christmas party on Dec 10 and certain upgrades needed to be made to the house. And those damn stairs took so much longer than I wanted them to.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:15 am LC's vote for Jay would have put him in line to be lynched had I not jumped over to mesk. I just remembered this. Immediate reaction is that's a good look, but not as good as it would be for other players.

Hey, that's cool. I remember when I switched to Jay that I was surprised that Mesk had so many votes. I was also surprised because by my clock, the poll had ended. I went to look at the ended poll, and saw I could still change my vote. I was like "WTF?" and switched to Jay. I double checked the end time and then went to the Main Page and compared the forum clock to my computer clock, and saw they were a couple of minutes off somehow.

Then the poll ended and went down in history. But the real truth is that by my clock, my vote ended up on Mesk.

Analyze that, suckas!

Long Con
dunya
Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Elohcin
insertnamehere
nutella
sig
malakim2099
colonialbob
speedchuck
Jackofhearts2005

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:16 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:15 am Long Con
dunya
Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Elohcin
insertnamehere
nutella
sig
malakim2099
colonialbob
speedchuck
Jackofhearts2005

Ha! I copied your name list, forgot to add you. Light green for you.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:48 am Good morning. I still have two pages to read, but so far, people are coming around to LC as a possible baddie. I seem to remember someone else thinking LC could be bad. Oh yeah...it was me!

It's not something you're going to end up being proud of. Unless you're bad, of course.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:10 am Okay, scratch my second tonlast post, I guess. LC voting JJJ does help him look better. I'm a mess. Thought Inmight have gotten one right.

I don't really see how my JJJ vote makes me look any better.

I didn't vote him during his lynch. I voted him the day before, at the last second, when it wasn't even going to kill him. And by my clock, I actually missed the deadline and had my vote on Mesk, as I said. When JJJ actually went down, I did nothing to help that happen. I voted my old suspicion Speedchuck, and I think that when I left my vote on speedy and went to bed, it tied him up with JJJ, or possibly someone else who was a contender that day... I think the JJJ thing only took off after I went to bed, when Epi came in to push it. Yeah that's how I remember it. After I expressed suspicion that Epi was holding back his vote in order to have some baddie control over the lynch.

So, how does that make me look any better to you? To YOU, who have been nipping at me all game... this information (did I use it right?) should, by rights, be shaping up into a nice little case against me. And yet, when the brass ring is within your grasp, you pull a 180 on it.

What gives? Are you bad?

How is ignorance of the nightkill mechanic alignment indicative at all?

"Odd" I will not deny.

Linki: whatcha mean, speedster?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:30 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:00 pm To be fair, I posted a picture of Edgar Winter only to show the silliness in stating there are only three eye colors. Albinos can have red eyes.
Does hazel just count as Brown/Blue/Green to some people?

Also, I have grey eyes.

https://www.edow.com/general-eye-care/eyecolor/

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:57 am LC is an odd case right now. Still want to gutread him as good. I'm interested in thoughts about how he handled Eloh's read a few posts ago, as well as his readlist that (lol) put Jack as number 1 scumread right before the lynch.

His vote on JJJ, even as he said, looks like posturing but he hasn't taken advantage of it. I think that goes for a lot of current things LC is doing. They look like convenient town or scum tells, but then he keeps hanging lampshades on them. The level of self awareness is throwing me for a wine spiral.

"Actually, my vote on JJJ was worthless"
"I don't know why you're defending me Eloh"
"readlist with Jack as bad RIGHT BEFORE jack dies"

Feels weird. Super honest with a smashing of wine. I keep writing "gut says town" on this post but I'm not sure what my gut says beyond "Urgh I feel terrible."

That is a totally understandable feeling. I have have been as crappy as possible this entire game, it seems. You probably should lynch dunya and DDL, because they're some of my greenest reads.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:13 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:11 am I have have been as crappy as possible this entire game, it seems.
I don't know, I might be giving you a run for your money.

Fortunately for you, I no longer believe in myself.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:57 am LC is an odd case right now. Still want to gutread him as good. I'm interested in thoughts about how he handled Eloh's read a few posts ago, as well as his readlist that (lol) put Jack as number 1 scumread right before the lynch.

His vote on JJJ, even as he said, looks like posturing but he hasn't taken advantage of it. I think that goes for a lot of current things LC is doing. They look like convenient town or scum tells, but then he keeps hanging lampshades on them. The level of self awareness is throwing me for a wine spiral.

"Actually, my vote on JJJ was worthless"
"I don't know why you're defending me Eloh"
"readlist with Jack as bad RIGHT BEFORE jack dies"

Feels weird. Super honest with a smashing of wine. I keep writing "gut says town" on this post but I'm not sure what my gut says beyond "Urgh I feel terrible."
I feel you. And I think he is being doing it on purpose to makes us confused and avoid being both lynched and NK'd. But that's also something a civ would do. Especially a seasoned civ who is probably more interested in Chicka Chicka so he would come here just to troll us.

No, seriously, I am not doing anything on purpose. I would so much rather have just been right about everything. And we both know that there's not that much going on in CC123, that I would need to *focus* there and have this be my side game to troll. Mountain Mafia was very exciting to start, after having only CC123 for so long.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:49 pm Another question for people who are good at analyzing this sort of thing: Why might Jack have been killed? He was still on a lot of people's radar and has been a controversial figure for much of the game.

He was after myself and Quin most recently, as well as malakim.

Long history of calling out dunya as well.

I know malakim from HCRealms, and it would be great to have him over here playing more games. I might have been hesitant to vote him out, but for the fact that he seems to have forgotten about this game. Clearly he's the one, I'll throw my vote on the pile.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:28 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:08 pm Talk to me about Long Con.
Lean good, because he's playing the weirdest scum game if he's bad. I'm not putting that past him, based on his apparent reputation here, but that's some heavy tinfoil.

Him listing Jack as his biggest suspect two nights in a row before Jack is killed is one of the biggest reasons I lean town. I can't figure out a motive for that as scum at all. He also questions Epi when Epi said his JJJ vote made him look better, which is mostly a good look (if a bit WIFOM). I wish he had more content in the last few days though.
Someone who has a longer history with LC can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the underlined is his MO.

Rumours like that are greatly exaggerated. I've tried one or two zany things, like getting my own team to kill me, but I don't really have a "weird scum game" rep. I've been very good at using a silver tongue to sway the thread to my scum ways in the past, but I don't even think that's the case lately.

I'd go sig out of the two. I could see him being scum from these selections taken from his 13 posts.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 amWhat ever came of LC potential scum slip? That epi pointed out I don't see much mention of it, but I feel like there should be.

Maybe it's just me, but this "scum slip" was ridiculous, so trying to hearken back to it is fishy.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.

This "her and JJJ" pairing, for the sin of low-poster chasing. I can see this coming from a mafioso mindset.

[mention]sig[/mention] your last post was a week ago, did you forget about the game?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:31 pmanyway, INH is probably scum.

How is it probable? There are more Civ roles than bad, so isn't it more probable he's Civ?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:29 pm I'd go sig out of the two. I could see him being scum from these selections taken from his 13 posts.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 amWhat ever came of LC potential scum slip? That epi pointed out I don't see much mention of it, but I feel like there should be.
Maybe it's just me, but this "scum slip" was ridiculous, so trying to hearken back to it is fishy.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.
This "her and JJJ" pairing, for the sin of low-poster chasing. I can see this coming from a mafioso mindset.

@sig your last post was a week ago, did you forget about the game?
I know you're townie and all, but did you choose sig because he threw some shade your way? You take people suspecting you almost as an automatic sign of scumminess.

No, I chose sig because someone mentioned him and INH, and it made me want to see what posts they had, if any. Sig had some, so I looked, and saw two things that I thought a scum might do: push a cool-sounding but baseless accuation that someone else made, and pairing a Civ with a baddie teammate.

There are a number of people here who have suspected me that I haven't levelled accusations against. Jack was my main suspicion and one of my biggest supporters. Due to the glaring flaws in your assertion, I'm forced to wonder what your motive is. A dunya-sig w/w pairing? Perhaps.

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