FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:49 pmSaying I'm making things up doesn't make it true. Prove that I'm making things up. Do you find yourself explaining other people often? I don't remember you ever doing that. Sorry if I'm wrong, but that's the truth. You let people brew in their own juice.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:38 pmThat is not a true statement. You are inventing that about me.FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:24 pm Damn, just wrote a post and it got deleted.
First, I find it almost impossible to catch up, so please bare with me. I'm really busy, and probably shouldn't have come back from the break, but that's what I did, and I'm trying to keep up.
I skimmed and read on and off, and I'm still a couple of pages behind, but here are a few of my impressions since I last left after my vote for Epi.
First, I really can't decide regarding Kyle. On the one hand, there's my first impression which made me seriously pinged. But there are posts where the tone feels very genuine to me, and he seems like he's upset from a civvie point of view. On the other hand, I value Sloonei's opinion, and although I've played only very few games with him, I think he's a very methodical player, and often gets the job done. He feels a little obsessed about Kyle, but it feels real to me. Not sure I agree, but it's something to think about.
I think I've changed my mind regarding Epi. I'm glad people didn't follow, and that he didn't end up getting lynched. His posts after I left felt much more like what I expect from civvie Epi.
Still feel very good about JJJ. I've seen nothing from him that makes me think he's bad.
Same goes for Sloonei. I actually like that he's asking people not to catch up. I do that sometimes as well, because the best way to catch a mafia is to interact with them live, so it makes me feel good about him.
Still, Sloonei, I have to say, that when I don't catch up I feel like I have no idea what's going on, so I guess it has to be a mixture.
Mac is a question mark. At some points he feels like the person I trust the most, but then I'm reminded a game I've played with him (can't remember
which), where he was bad and got everyone to trust him. So I'm keeping this at the back of my mind, just to remind me never to fully trust him. For now, he's high on my trusted list.
LC is one of my new top suspects. His game style feels like something I've seen lots of mafia do. He's asking clarification questions. It's something LC doesn't normally do.
How is this "first of all" when it follows your previous points? Never mind.For example:
Here is another example:First of all, he's sort of defending/explaining me. Civvie LC doesn't do that.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:23 pmEpignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:32 pm So, first of all, FZ.
I want to talk about this post.
"I find myself" is a hedge phrase. Moreover, with what exactly does FZ. agree? Instead of being specific, she says something there feels not genuine. What is this something? This statement baffles me. Not because of whether it's a correct perception or not, but because of what she accuses me of doing now: Acting like I'm going full force after what I believe. If I am bad, then I don't truly believe in what I'm saying. In FZ.'s mind, how can I be bad if I'm going full force after what I (genuinely) believe? This sentence is supposed to buttress FZ.'s previous commentary about me, but it weakens it: Was my perceived bluntness (i.e., going full-force after what I believe) the product of me drawing a mafia role, which is what the blue statement implies, or was it a product of what I believed other people would say about me?FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:06 pmI'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.
Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.
And this is where FZ. gives herself the luxury of voting Kylemii or defending Kylemii- whichever suits her purpose.
There's so much hedge in this post, I could block the neighbors' view of the roof.I feel like this all could have been yellow, from the start. "Things can change" "At the moment"... are those not equally hedgey? FZ. certainly is laying down some tentative stuff here, it's important for her to make it clear she's not committing.I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi
But you ask what she's agreeing with - I read it as she's agreeing with Jay that your posts aren't genuine. You criticize the way she doesn't go into specifics, which is reasonable... FZ., would you like to clarify?
The blue part is some classic Epi bizarro-logic to me. She said you are acting like you're going after what you believe. That doesn't imply that you genuinely believe... those beliefs. Just that you are bad and putting on an act as though you genuinely hold the beliefs. Contrasted to her projected Civ Epi, who is unlikely to commit strongly to those beliefs at all.
And the red part... a false dichotomy. "the product of me drawing a mafia role" and "a product of what I believed other people would say about me" are the same side of the same coin.
It is because you drew a mafia role that you chose to analyze what you believed other people would say about you.
"Civvie LC doesn't do that" is the second time this post that you are making something up about me.
Instead of criticizing that I agree with Epi that your comments about him and JJJ need clarifying, why don't you just clarify them?He let's people defend themselves or explain themselves. Again, he's asking for clarifications, which I don't remember him doing.
He's acting too nice, I can't explain it, but all his recent posts ping me like crazy.
Give an example where you acted liked this as a civvie.
Please pardon my brusqueness, milady, but I don't fucking think so. If you want to make unfounded claims about my regular behaviour, it's up to you to prove it.
Wait, "explaining other people"?? I thought the accusation was that I was "asking for clarification".
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Here's what Epi said: "Moreover, with what exactly does FZ. agree? Instead of being specific, she says something there feels not genuine. What is this something? "As for what I need to clear up, I'm not even sure what I'm being accused of, but I've stated why I accused Epi, and the part where I leave the options open for me to choose where to go later, is just me being unsure of things and stating where I'm at. Would people rather I don't speak at all until I'm sure about something? I will barely be posting...
I agree with him that you should be able to go into more detail about this, if it's a real opinion.