The Syndicate

@TonyStarkPrime I kinda think you are town. If you really think I'm mafia we can talk about it tomorrow but if you look at my vote history and my iso I doubt that read will survive.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:47 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:44 pm sorry I'm on the road heading to an expo so yeh...

I strongly suggest wilgy is the vote to make if only because if he was town and pyxxy mafia the wolves would have sheeped me. Think about that.

I've been trying to get people to look at pyxxy for literal days, Mac
If pyxxy ISN'T a wolf then why the heck is nobody even giving reads on him except for Neon, Porscha and me? I have heard nobody say they think he's super towny for anything, just radio silence.

Whatever I'll vote Pyxxy here and if they flip town gl.

It's fine then you flip me tomorrow
Unless you want me to flip myself today first, I can move

No I won't be holding you accountable in the event they're town because you've tried way too hard to get a simple lhf town over. Your dynamic is very unlikely w/t in that way.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:53 pm I am done arguing about Pyxxy. They aren't towny enough to justify it. I just have worlds in my head that need solving and his slot isn't critical to them. I think Wilgy is every bit as sus as Pyxxy but whatever.

I will be just taking WWA, Porscha and Neon as town for the rest of the game tho. So do with that what you will.

Do you have a read on TSP at this point? I think they were specifically trying to turn me against you.

TSP is a light town lean just because they aren't confbiased into any of my worlds lol. It's not a good read.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:53 pm I am done arguing about Pyxxy. They aren't towny enough to justify it. I just have worlds in my head that need solving and his slot isn't critical to them. I think Wilgy is every bit as sus as Pyxxy but whatever.

I will be just taking WWA, Porscha and Neon as town for the rest of the game tho. So do with that what you will.

What happened to not moving your vote off me lol

Do you dislike my reeval?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:55 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:47 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:44 pm sorry I'm on the road heading to an expo so yeh...

I strongly suggest wilgy is the vote to make if only because if he was town and pyxxy mafia the wolves would have sheeped me. Think about that.

I've been trying to get people to look at pyxxy for literal days, Mac
If pyxxy ISN'T a wolf then why the heck is nobody even giving reads on him except for Neon, Porscha and me? I have heard nobody say they think he's super towny for anything, just radio silence.

Whatever I'll vote Pyxxy here and if they flip town gl.

It's fine then you flip me tomorrow
Unless you want me to flip myself today first, I can move

No I won't be holding you accountable in the event they're town because you've tried way too hard to get a simple lhf town over. Your dynamic is very unlikely w/t in that way.

Ah, there it is

There what is?

I don't think pyxxy is gonna flip wolf but I don't think WWA is accountable for it. Gl town. There is no wolf led c/w. The wolves are all split off wagon enjoying the fact that the town largely ignored me today to bury Pyxxy imo.

We hold on Pyxxy here because we can't be going through this again tomorrow. That's all there is to it.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:59 pm Mac!! Vote WWA with me!! You silly!!!! Yahooooooooo!!!!!!

You aren't even voting them.

Hey.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:07 pm @MacDougall wassup I'm surprised you're still aliving

Over 300 posting WWA who buried a wolf single handedly? Really?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:50 pm Which leads me back to the question, why is no one pushing Mac

I thought about this.

It's only wolfy for Sean and Wilgy.

I consider Porscha and Neon innocent children and voting them is a sin.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 1:14 pm Just to clarify: the setup is closed!

Since it's a Heist type of game, there's a maximum of 5 non-vanilla roles, everything else is vanilla

We still have a full quota of town PR alive. I think it should almost be time to claim if you're a confirmable town PR as we may be able to run it down.

I'm not gonna force it obviously but if you are a town PR you should consider it.

Is Seanzie not just post count cleared? He struggleposts a huge amount as a wolf.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:00 pm

If Seanzie/Wilgy contains 1 mafia then Neon is probably with them due to this VC.

Which would make the Neon wagon pure.

Can it just be Neon/Wilgy?

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:08 am I think Wilgy is town so that's like cool but also annoying cause this is really insightful and would've helped when town was eating itself alive the last 2 days.

Like I'm not sure we've even wagoned a wolf this game

Why do you think Wilgy is town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 12:53 am Well glad we’re on the same page

Then why do you keep trying to engage people to tinfoil me?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:37 am Contingency plans — but it’s not so much about tinfoils as it is “in what world is mafia running with this game plan”

World where the wolves are people afraid to push me plus not townies that compuslively do slash have me pocketed.

I'd say very generous with that actually. Dropping posting gimmick on day 3 is not towny lol. To not drop it gets you killed so it's NAI.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 12:26 am I consider Porscha and Neon innocent children and voting them is a sin.

Not that I'm not happy to have a defender but why do you think I'm ic? What do you think about the people pushing me and any do you disagree with them?

If you talk more about this ignore me I'm still reading up.

I've retracted it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:42 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 12:19 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:07 pm @MacDougall wassup I'm surprised you're still aliving

Over 300 posting WWA who buried a wolf single handedly? Really?

no I just meant in general

okay but if this wasn't a sentiment strictly pertaining to this most recent nk why say it now and not yesterday?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:54 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:42 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 12:19 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:07 pm @MacDougall wassup I'm surprised you're still aliving

Over 300 posting WWA who buried a wolf single handedly? Really?

no I just meant in general

okay but if this wasn't a sentiment strictly pertaining to this most recent nk why say it now and not yesterday?

it was something I was already considering but did not feel it was worth it just yet day 3
so it isn't particular to this exact night
just that it's about n4 after multiple nights

it's a fake thought and ur a wolf... well done on breaking your meta but you should say less sometimes.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:33 am you dont need to freak out because every world you were putting forth doesnt make sense.

this is a false appraisal of what you are seeing ..

I think you are outed for trying to make me look like a wolf for obviously irrational reasons no town would think of after WWA dies and because town TSP is getting sus that ppl aren't sussing me so you think doing it will earn you points from him.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:47 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:33 am you dont need to freak out because every world you were putting forth doesnt make sense.

this is a false appraisal of what you are seeing ..

I think you are outed for trying to make me look like a wolf for obviously irrational reasons no town would think of after WWA dies and because town TSP is getting sus that ppl aren't sussing me so you think doing it will earn you points from him.

Absolutely not. I am not trying to make you look like a wolf and I certainly have no interest in trying to appeal to tsp. I do not think you are wolfing. That is a false appraisal of what you are seeing.

Lol good just checking ur town.

Thing is at level 1 I kinda just... don't think Pyxxy was bussed cuz he had 3 votes for aaaages until I finally relented. If a wolf was bussing they had ample time to switch to someone else someone was pushing. Kate Neon and Porscha were those voters. WWA last voter obviously town.

If Kate is bussing Pyxxy that requires SVS to be uber pocketed and Kate to bus instead of just sheeping onto one of the town being pushed (which there would have to be mathematically). If Neon and Porscha is ... they are kind of always with only Wilgy cuz they could have joined me onto Wilgy to save him at any time.

Porscha just isn't a wolf anyway.

I ... kinda dunno about Dennis cuz Pyxxy defended him in a weird way and Dennis's reaction to it was like confusion?

TSP and Seanzie kind of eyeballing each other means the last one is probably between them. Wilgy being the other.

Need to count miselims.

9 alive. I think 2 wolves left but it's actually a weird number setup (15er ew) so it might be 2 plus a 3p maybe. I doubt 4 cuz that would be too wolfsided but it's possible cuz Tutuu is a bit of a maniac.

In world a where there is just 2 pack wolves left we have 3 miselims left before the game ends after the f5 miselim.

In world b where we have 2 pack and a 3p or 3 pack we have today and then limlo most likely, depending on nature of 3p.

12 town vs. 3 wolves seems most likely. So we are probably at 7 v 2.

We should have 4 PR left but it does say "up to". 1 wolf PR has flipped and it was kind of crap. I doubt that all of them are mafia.

Hmm ponderage.

@Dennis @Kate @S~V~S @Porscha

outside of names I've tagged here... what are your reads?

who is your POE and who do you never chop?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 12:46 am Is Seanzie not just post count cleared? He struggleposts a huge amount as a wolf.

I haven't posted in like 2 days. This isn't real.

Huh? I literally am just looking at your post count. You say it's not real and then follow up with essentially a confirmation of my point?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:02 am What I think is that something feels not right in this game but I think the Wilgy/Neon team feels mostly plausible if I ignore the evidence that I think looks more like Neon spewing Wilgy town than w/w

which is?

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:22 pm @MacDougall please come talk to me.

Yes?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 12:46 am Is Seanzie not just post count cleared? He struggleposts a huge amount as a wolf.

I haven't posted in like 2 days. This isn't real.

Huh? I literally am just looking at your post count. You say it's not real and then follow up with essentially a confirmation of my point?

Me being one of the top poster says more about people like you and Neon than it does about me.

This is a non sequitor that doesn't address my point whatsoever.

I suggest you're post count cleared.

You say you haven't been here for 2 days and that what I'm saying isn't real. You bring high count despite not being here for 2 days if anything supports the argument. So why are you thinking my argument isn't real?

Except I ask for clarification and now you pivot from saying my point isn't real to saying something else.

It feels like you're just trying to shift your perspective to qualify a reason to start pushing me. And Neon being thrown in sounds like prepatory distancing from Neon.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:56 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:22 pm @MacDougall please come talk to me.

Yes?

Who is bad here?

I'm not super sure who is but I think Porscha, TSP, yourself and SVS isn't.

I'd say like Dennis is maybe a bit townier than the other 3. Then those 3 are all virtually equal in my mind right now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:53 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:02 am What I think is that something feels not right in this game but I think the Wilgy/Neon team feels mostly plausible if I ignore the evidence that I think looks more like Neon spewing Wilgy town than w/w

which is?

Neon’s reaction to Wilgy posting vote counts

Can you quote it?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:32 pm Good luck town

Legacy is like kill Kate cause they don't have actual reasons to push anyone

Maybe Dennis too

I think SVS is just getting snowed

I don't actually have a town core cause everyone is making me feel like they are wolfing at various points so... game state sucks and I can't play without a town core

@Kate why don't you have reasons to push anyone?

@S~V~S is there any chance whatsoever you are being snowed?

Neon what if I was to tell you that SVS and Kate are mechanically cleared ie. I have mech to say they are both town. And Porscha is obviously town.

That gives you a towncore as long as you trust me. Is that a reasonable towncore for you to work with?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 12:46 am Is Seanzie not just post count cleared? He struggleposts a huge amount as a wolf.

I haven't posted in like 2 days. This isn't real.

Huh? I literally am just looking at your post count. You say it's not real and then follow up with essentially a confirmation of my point?

Me being one of the top poster says more about people like you and Neon than it does about me.

This is a non sequitor that doesn't address my point whatsoever.

I suggest you're post count cleared.

You say you haven't been here for 2 days and that what I'm saying isn't real. You bring high count despite not being here for 2 days if anything supports the argument. So why are you thinking my argument isn't real?

Except I ask for clarification and now you pivot from saying my point isn't real to saying something else.

It feels like you're just trying to shift your perspective to qualify a reason to start pushing me. And Neon being thrown in sounds like prepatory distancing from Neon.

Tell me more.

I see you have no valid retort.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:42 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:08 am I think Wilgy is town so that's like cool but also annoying cause this is really insightful and would've helped when town was eating itself alive the last 2 days.

Like I'm not sure we've even wagoned a wolf this game

This post

I saw that as soft shielding a teammate while mildly griping trying to not look too partnery. Didn't occur to me it was spewing him town.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:39 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:56 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:22 pm @MacDougall please come talk to me.

Yes?

Who is bad here?

I'm not super sure who is but I think Porscha, TSP, yourself and SVS isn't.

I'd say like Dennis is maybe a bit townier than the other 3. Then those 3 are all virtually equal in my mind right now.

Mac, you're treating me like you treated Fext in Lost in Space.

This means nothing to me and feels reachy and manipulative.

How did I treat Fext in Lost in Space? If it's important please elaborate.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:24 am

I haven't posted in like 2 days. This isn't real.

Huh? I literally am just looking at your post count. You say it's not real and then follow up with essentially a confirmation of my point?

Me being one of the top poster says more about people like you and Neon than it does about me.

This is a non sequitor that doesn't address my point whatsoever.

I suggest you're post count cleared.

You say you haven't been here for 2 days and that what I'm saying isn't real. You bring high count despite not being here for 2 days if anything supports the argument. So why are you thinking my argument isn't real?

Except I ask for clarification and now you pivot from saying my point isn't real to saying something else.

It feels like you're just trying to shift your perspective to qualify a reason to start pushing me. And Neon being thrown in sounds like prepatory distancing from Neon.

Tell me more.

I see you have no valid retort.

That isn't what's going on, I'm just not going to engage with you when you aren't doing so in a reasonable manner from my POV.

@everyone else

Do I seem like I'm being unreasonable?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:39 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:56 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:22 pm @MacDougall please come talk to me.

Yes?

Who is bad here?

I'm not super sure who is but I think Porscha, TSP, yourself and SVS isn't.

I'd say like Dennis is maybe a bit townier than the other 3. Then those 3 are all virtually equal in my mind right now.

Mac, you're treating me like you treated Fext in Lost in Space.

This means nothing to me and feels reachy and manipulative.

If it means nothing to you, why does it feel reachy and manipulative? Shouldn't it feel nothing?

You can't help but notice how I'm town, but you kinda want to push here anyways.

It means nothing because I don't know what it means because I don't remember how I treated Fext in that game.

It feels reachy because I am aware I'm not a wolf ergo not doing what you're accusing me of.

It feels manipulative because it feels like you're trying to reason with town me while pushing me as a wolf.

The bottom paragraph feels like you projecting what you are doing onto me as a lazy suspicion.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:59 pm

Me being one of the top poster says more about people like you and Neon than it does about me.

This is a non sequitor that doesn't address my point whatsoever.

I suggest you're post count cleared.

You say you haven't been here for 2 days and that what I'm saying isn't real. You bring high count despite not being here for 2 days if anything supports the argument. So why are you thinking my argument isn't real?

Except I ask for clarification and now you pivot from saying my point isn't real to saying something else.

It feels like you're just trying to shift your perspective to qualify a reason to start pushing me. And Neon being thrown in sounds like prepatory distancing from Neon.

Tell me more.

I see you have no valid retort.

That isn't what's going on, I'm just not going to engage with you when you aren't doing so in a reasonable manner from my POV.

@everyone else

Do I seem like I'm being unreasonable?

Don't want to go toe-to-toe with me?

I am asking others to validate your point in case it's fair and I need to be more reasonable.

If you say so.

Sorry Seanzie I was just in the shower.

(Frozen and crying in wolfchat cuz ur case is so awesome and I will never recover).

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:41 pm

Tell me more.

I see you have no valid retort.

That isn't what's going on, I'm just not going to engage with you when you aren't doing so in a reasonable manner from my POV.

@everyone else

Do I seem like I'm being unreasonable?

Don't want to go toe-to-toe with me?

I am asking others to validate your point in case it's fair and I need to be more reasonable.

I impolitely disagree. I think you're trying to use your threadpull to win this argument and shade me.

If you say so.

If your argument is good and I'm being unreasonable you have nothing to worry about though.

Gotta get my kids ready for school. Back later.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:06 pm Mac I'll sheep you

Even if you vote me

My view of the game is ass and my vote is yours

Even if I do decide to vote you, you aren't allowed to self vote k?

But I've given you a small POE from your perspective so you should be able to at least do some solving. How did each of them handle the Pyxxy wagon?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:46 pm

That isn't what's going on, I'm just not going to engage with you when you aren't doing so in a reasonable manner from my POV.

@everyone else

Do I seem like I'm being unreasonable?

Don't want to go toe-to-toe with me?

I am asking others to validate your point in case it's fair and I need to be more reasonable.

I impolitely disagree. I think you're trying to use your threadpull to win this argument and shade me.

If you say so.

If your argument is good and I'm being unreasonable you have nothing to worry about though.

This does not align with how mafia actually works.

Your argument is trash, possibly the worst attempt to push me I've ever seen. I respect you as a player less now because of it and am struggling to take it seriously because of how utterly ridiculous it is. It is so bad it loops back around to good because it's like satire. And I'm a fan of good satire. If you're serious with this push as town, you are washed. If you think this push will work and are wolf, you are washed. If you are drunk and just talking shit I'll headpat you. Your family are disappointed in you.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:09 pm But I've given you a small POE from your perspective so you should be able to at least do some solving. How did each of them handle the Pyxxy wagon?

I... honestly don't know. I know like I pushed Pyxxy for 2 days which is in my wolf meta so meh.

I don't really like isoing I feel like I play worse when I do it but I am interested in both how they treated Pyxxy and how they treated WWA who I had a hard TR on basically all game and I don't get why like nobody else saw what I saw.

So satisfy your curiosity and go read some posts and make some reads.