The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:06 am Marmot, who the fuck knows.

Gesundheit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:59 pm Overconfident Night 1 POE:

Dave
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Long Con
novaselinenever

Who is Dave?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:03 pm @Marmot - Can you do something else than either defend yourself or point out inconsistencies that isn't even relevant or doesn't make any difference in how your reading them? Like, make some actual cases for someone's alignment?

I appear to be incapable of that.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:15 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:10 pm Did anyone ever give a reason why Lorab isn't a suspect? What's her meta like?

Can Dave and NVN actually post something? I don't know why they are and that is sad.
I've actually posted twice and I've been following the game. It's just that there are a lot of fluffs and the rest of posts are meta-plays between players who know each other. I didn't have anything to contribute so I didn't bother to post.

That's fair.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:27 pm Hey @anyone who reads this.

Please review Dizzy, especially if you have meta knowledge of her.

Thanks

She's a wolf when she's posting cat pics.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:34 pm Stuff from page 6 and out.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:08 pm Speaking of dizzying, I'm voting dizzy until I see a cat pic from her.
Must oblige!

Wasn't I scum in the last game I posted like 100 cat gifs btw?

Epignosis is the devil. He has a fiddle of gold. He will steal your soul if you're not wary. Fire flies from his fingertips as he sits on the roof and shreds that fiddle.

Epignosis does not care about the roof.

Epignosis doesn't care about sound either.

Solar panels.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:08 pm Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

How is this exercise productive?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:08 pm Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?
How is this exercise productive?
How are you productive?

Good point.

Shutting up now.

But I still want to know what the purpose of asking that question is because talking about what could be said in BTSC doesn't sound like a useful scum-hunting strategy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:08 pm Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?
How is this exercise productive?
How are you productive?
Good point.

Shutting up now.
I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to be rude to you. That was callous; I interpreted your question as callous, and if I had applied the same "I know Kylemii's voice" to your posts (substituting your voice for Kyle's, of course), I would not have read it that way.

No worries.

I've been a little rude to you today already. I felt I deserved it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:27 pm If i'm going to be blanketed with scum reads can you all at least do me the courtesy of including a reason? "Your tone is phony" and "you don't care about the roof" do not qualify as reasons.

It's your role that makes you scummy. Don't you understand?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:44 pm To everyone else who cares about the roof:

I have Sloonei, JJJ, nutella, Lorab, FZ., probably Marmot and the ghost of Spacedaisy coming in here to lynch me tomorrow.

They can't all be bad.

When I am lynched, grill them. Don't let them make excuses. Grill them on a grill that does not contain both meat and dairy.

Much appreciated.

Spacedaisy,

Mac countered your lynch because it was easy. How does that make him civilian. I do agree that your lynch was "easy", but the notion that anyone calling it out as such is a civilian is a bit much.

As we all know, a wolf can defend a sudden civilian lynch more insightfully than a civilian can.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:20 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:17 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:15 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:08 am I voted.

Give me reads on every player not named Kyle or Epignosis.
GTH reads at this very moment:

Dave/Daisy 2.0 - Town
DrWilgy - Town
Dyslexicon - Scum
Epignosis - Scum
FZ. - Town
JaggedJimmyJay - Town
Kylemii - Town
Long Con - Town
LoRab - Scum
MacDougall - Town
Marmot - Town
novaselinenever - Scum
nutella - Scum
speedchuck - Town

Why am I town?

Voted Sloonei.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:22 am Baseline reads as of right now:

MacDougall
DaveDaisy
Kylemii
Long Con

Sloonei
Marmot
Epignosis
nutella

DrWilgy
novaselinenever
Dyslexicon
FZ.
LoRab

speedchuck

Why am I town?

Linki: GTH, I'd call you a scummuffin Mac.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

I feel like you are playing a mafia game that parallels the one the rest of us our playing, like you're not playing this game fully, with your teammate compatibility angle.

I don't understand this post.

You blamed me for Spacedaisy's lynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:35 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:26 am @MacDougall

I feel like you are playing a mafia game that parallels the one the rest of us our playing, like you're not playing this game fully, with your teammate compatibility angle.

I don't understand this post.

You blamed me for Spacedaisy's lynch.
That's fair because I feel the same way. My perspectives are different to most. This always happens. When I find Mafia they tend to be the players everyone else misses and I am blind to the ones the majority catch.

I thought I explained very clearly why I went to group 3. The players I had scum reads on in group 1 and 2 were either not up for lynch or posting content that made me doubt my reads. I even made a point of saying it's time to consider that there are a lot of mafia in group 3. I picked you two out mostly because you were more front of mind than the others.

You were the one who posed whether I would feel differently if Daisy were the one catching votes when you were. And that was what caught my hastily thought through vote that ended up stuck on her wagon.

I haven't solved you. Some of your content looks civvie but I am gut reading you scum.

Spacedaisy wasn't up for a lynch... Until she suddenly was.

My point was, you went for the low-hanging fruit, Dr. Wilgy and Marmot. I'm also pretty sure also stated that the thread was moving in the direction of lynching me because of you (although I can't find that post right now). You're capable of doing such things, so why not push it towards a higher-profile suspect?

I don't think you cared that Spacedaisy was lynched. I get that you voted her in the end, but I'm not sure how meaningful it was.

Also, my Syndicate is breaking from SQL errors, so I'm going to bed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:49 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:00 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:27 pm If i'm going to be blanketed with scum reads can you all at least do me the courtesy of including a reason? "Your tone is phony" and "you don't care about the roof" do not qualify as reasons.
It's your role that makes you scummy. Don't you understand?
What is your read on Epignosis?

I still think he's mafia. But I don't have the motivation to do anything about it right now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:40 pm
Marmot - did not like the unwillingness D1 to put a vote somewhere that mattered. Also possible distancing from Dizzy, who is down there. The one thing I can read good on is his frustration in the topic, regarding 'shitty' lynches. As Dizzy noted later in the game, Marmot has done a lot of defending himself. But he's also not been shy about it.
I go back and forth a LOT when reading through his ISO. Could be scum. In no way is that ruled out. I'd rather lynch any of the four people below.

Why does it matter that I don't move my vote on request? That's the neat thing about votes; they're owned by the player who casts them (usually).

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:56 pm Alright folks, I gave plenty of time before posting my coherent thoughts after the catch up so I will be doing that momentarily. I apologize for being absent today though, like I said work. Then when I got home from work I passed out for a couple hours thanks to only getting like two hours of sleep last night. So... here we go!

Incoherent thoughts only please.

Jay, what do you think about Epignosis?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:49 pm No one ever told me who I was tied with before the mass game of musical chairs occurred and everyone decided to shove me out of the circle. I think this information could be good to know. Was there any kind of save possibly going on?

You were tied with Epignosis at one point I believe. He maxed out at 4 votes.

I also at one point had 3 votes, but I think you and I never had a significant number of votes at the same time.

This information is from my recollection, so subject to correction.

I won't really be around the rest of the day. I've also paid little attention to this game today. Oops!

I'm putting my vote on Epignosis. I feel a bit aimless, so I'm just falling back on my Day 1 vote.

Also [mention]MacDougall[/mention], get your damn vote off of me if I'm not getting lynched.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:40 pm
Marmot - did not like the unwillingness D1 to put a vote somewhere that mattered. Also possible distancing from Dizzy, who is down there. The one thing I can read good on is his frustration in the topic, regarding 'shitty' lynches. As Dizzy noted later in the game, Marmot has done a lot of defending himself. But he's also not been shy about it.
I go back and forth a LOT when reading through his ISO. Could be scum. In no way is that ruled out. I'd rather lynch any of the four people below.

Why does it matter that I don't move my vote on request? That's the neat thing about votes; they're owned by the player who casts them (usually).
I'm not talking about voting on request. I'm talking about what you did with your vote, and how useless it was. I'm judging you. That's the neat thing about reads, they're usually owned by the player who has them.

You're judging me because you thought my vote was useless huh. Mind telling me which vote that is you're talking about?

Well I'll be.

I suddenly don't feel as strongly about lynching Epignosis anymore.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:51 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:49 am Talk about why you voted for him instead of her.
I understand the questions and prompts. They're irrelevant, but I don't expect you to understand that. I encourage you to hunt to your heart's desire elsewhere and to continue thinking it all over, and if you still care about this later in the night phase you feel free to bring it right back up.

I'm ready to lynch you tomorrow. Are you prepared?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:03 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:00 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:51 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:49 am Talk about why you voted for him instead of her.
I understand the questions and prompts. They're irrelevant, but I don't expect you to understand that. I encourage you to hunt to your heart's desire elsewhere and to continue thinking it all over, and if you still care about this later in the night phase you feel free to bring it right back up.
I'm ready to lynch you tomorrow. Are you prepared?
Hmmm?

Don't hmm me. Spit it out.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:03 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:00 am I'm ready to lynch you tomorrow. Are you prepared?
It's clear I am getting burned out when someone says this to my civilian self and all I want to say is "okay, great, go crazy".

I left my computer for a bit and came back and can't remember why I said what I did.

Oh well.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:28 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:25 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:03 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:00 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:51 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:49 am Talk about why you voted for him instead of her.
I understand the questions and prompts. They're irrelevant, but I don't expect you to understand that. I encourage you to hunt to your heart's desire elsewhere and to continue thinking it all over, and if you still care about this later in the night phase you feel free to bring it right back up.
I'm ready to lynch you tomorrow. Are you prepared?
Hmmm?

Don't hmm me. Spit it out.
It's self-evident. There's not much more to it than "I notice you were the only player to end up voting alongside the now confirmed bad guy."
Care to comment?

Link

I was as clairvoyant about my vote as I could be.

200 posts were made in the 20 hours before I made that post. More than that number were made in the final 4 hours of the day phase. Clearly a lot more happened when I wasn't around.

Also the fact that my vote happened to sit next to a flipped mafia member is coincidental. And to add what I said above, I was not around to move my vote (which I would have given the tie), so I don't think the placement is meaningful at all.

I will end you and Jay. :3

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:41 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:37 am I will end you and Jay. :3
So many others have said in Mafia games past. They're dead now.

You're probably the most suspicious person in the world because you moved from Europe to Ohio.

Irreversible!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 pm I disagree with Sloonei on sooooooo much. More on that later I guess. =p

Let's end him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 pm I disagree with Sloonei on sooooooo much. More on that later I guess. =p
Let's end him.
Have you gotten a feel for what's going on yet?

This is a mafia game.

People die.

Civilians win.

I think I've gotten a grasp for it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:31 pm LoRab and novaselinenever

This interaction contains exactly as much content as you likely expected.

You can skip me. Mine looks exactly the same.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:11 pm Drunk analysis? Did someone say Epignosis?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.
I recommend looking at LoRab quickly if you have time.
Tell me about lorab
11:56. Buzzed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go
12:01. Shitfaced.

I don't know a single drunk this incoherent. I am drunk right now.

Maybe.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am voted daisy to preserve the tie, I'm okay with letting the rabbi choose
12:04. Had a quick shower and a cup of coffee.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:53 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go
what the fuck
12:53 am pm

"What the hell did I do last night?"

I have a little experience here.

If you're shitfaced, you stay shitfaced for more than a ten minute window.

You can't have your bean dip and eat it too.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 pm I disagree with Sloonei on sooooooo much. More on that later I guess. =p
Let's end him.
Do you still feel this way?

I can't see how Sloonei is Mafia. His read on Lorab was killer and not in the wishy washy way that scum bus people.

I have an agenda that is not entirely related to this game of mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:19 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 pm I disagree with Sloonei on sooooooo much. More on that later I guess. =p
Let's end him.
Do you still feel this way?

I can't see how Sloonei is Mafia. His read on Lorab was killer and not in the wishy washy way that scum bus people.
I have an agenda that is not entirely related to this game of mafia.
Fair enough. If you could lynch any two players in the game right now who would they be?

You and somebody on the quieter side of things.

Epignosis is civilian. Jay is loud. Sloonei is the bee's knees.

Having not spent much time looking at the other players in the game, I'm not sure who else it would be. I still don't think nutella is mafia. I at one point thought Wilgy was civilian. I don't know if that still holds true. I am uncertain about the rest of the players.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:44 pm You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?

Can you walk me through why I would make that jump in logic?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:24 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:18 pm The biggest thing in my mind at that time was that I felt the thread was being directed.
If the thread isn't directed, what happens?

Why is that a bad thing?

Yours truly takes over.

Do you really want that happening?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:44 pm You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?
Can you walk me through why I would make that jump in logic?
I thought it was obvious that I was having a go at you for being a hypocrite.

I was picking up what you're laying down.

Except for the part where it doesn't really matter to me what "everyone else" has to say about you. I never particularly cared for general consensus.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:44 pm You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?
Can you walk me through why I would make that jump in logic?
I thought it was obvious that I was having a go at you for being a hypocrite.
I was picking up what you're laying down.

Except for the part where it doesn't really matter to me what "everyone else" has to say about you. I never particularly cared for general consensus.
So we agree you are scum reading me for something you are exhibiting in this game? That is to say that you find your own behaviour scummy?

No we do not agree on that.

I see your behavior. I find it suspicious.

I have my behavior. They are different. I am not doing the same thing as you. If I was, wouldn't the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read on me too?

So no I do not find my behavior scummy. I don't pay heed to my behavior. That's everyone else's job.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:51 pm Why Marmot is Mafia:

He has one player he would lynch right now and it's a player nobody else finds bad
He has made a minimal case against said player
The content of that case is that said player (me) is behaving in exactly the same way he is

You're clearly not genuinely trying to solve the game. You're bad.

The problem with making cases without quotes or links is that everything is written out of context and painted a most dreadful color of scum. That's what you've done here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:55 pm
You're not trying. You don't find me suspicious. If you found me suspicious you would have tried harder to rally against me.

I don't think I'd do that. I can't put in a solid effort every single day.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:06 am Need I remind you that your read on me exists because I provoked you. You've yet to really go after anyone that didn't initiate the conflict with you first with any kind of vigour.

That sounds about right.

I don't particularly enjoy post-analysis. So I often base my reads on live interactions. That means asking questions and doing things that will help create these interactions. If players don't want to talk to or about me, I'm less likely to pay attention to them.

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