The Syndicate

but seriously guys I'm glad you guys think I've been so good it can only be explained as TMI xD

Its SUCH A BIG CHANGE from people constantly doubting me on my slot alone for stupid reasons such as "oh they had bad interaction with X scum" (which is the primary reason I got mis-deleted in grasslands and Bike mafia games)

but anyways I'm going to compile how I feel about ppl

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:06 pm So your flip clears thunal and tutuu?

I was skimming past 50 posts or something

some people were saying I TMI'ed Thunal and Tutuu

the thing is

in order to believe a person TMI'ed someone as town even after prevailing to ensure they are not deleted

you ought to believe my reasons that got them off the deletion train in the first place

otherwise you don't actually believe I had TMI and just think it looks like TMI

and you're just greedy that killing me as scum (AND ONLY AS SCUM) would clear those two slots

Which honestly is a sad and lazy way of solving tutuu and thunal that won't work and I do hope people have trusted my reasons, even if they believe its because of TMI that I made them

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:09 pm Which honestly is a sad and lazy way of solving tutuu and thunal that won't work and I do hope people have trusted my reasons, even if they believe its because of TMI that I made them

actually we didn't even know it wasn't multiball (possibly) until after N1

as mafia depending on the size and # of 3P's I couldn't have exactly TMI'ed that thunal was town in some cases btw

Because I made that hard-defense read on D1.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:10 pm i think they are both town regardless of your alignment so flipping you wouldnt add confidence

Sure. But do the others think that?

I mean, we quite litterally had 6 or 7 votes on her, possibly yours included idk, and yet somehow that's shrunk to 3 just hours earlier

I'm not sure if they would have the same confidence as you

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:12 pm bc your pm would be identified as just mafia in a way implying theres only one

I don't see how that works?

Seriously. Like a mafia wincon of just "gain vote majority" and being told you're "Mafia" does not say anything about the existence or non-existence of other factions

you said yourself it can depend on the size of the mafia as well

what if there was a 2nd kill on n1 that was saved anyways and no one outed cuz soup kill and also night-kills?

Or maybe there was a lucky role-block. Who knows.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:15 pm you should? the reason that we figured 1 mafia team is cuz the flip said "you are mafia". Mafia would of made the same assumption we made in figuring out how many teams there were

Are partially informed, but not completely informed, mafia teams not a thing here?

I mean like this setup is closed they shouldn't know if there's multiball or not unless they had a huge mafia size and I don't see any evidence pointing to the absolute confirmation of that yet

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:16 pm uh the same reason we figured it wasnt multiball when cat's faction flipped as simply "Mafia"

flipping just as "mafia" doesn't prove anything lol

there can be "Mafia" and "Triad" for example

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:17 pm im like 99% sure it just being called "mafia" means there is only one

Oh. That's the site meta?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:18 pm they probably arent informed of 3ps and the wincon is like a vague eliminate all threats thing but i think based on both team size and faction name being just mafia they would figure they are the only mafia team

We don't know how large the team is yet.

Anyways, I'll take your word on having a team simply named "Mafia" means no multiball. Its just in my experience of 20 games so far there hasn't been a single tidbit anywhere about that

heck even the scum-game I posted a link to earlier today, the pandemic board game, could have been multiball IIRC but the role-pm never clarified that nor the host did so the mafia wasn't sure until around last D2 or mid D3.

Well, technically we were the "corporation" but effectively a mafia given the color.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:20 pm this is a host read of epi, take it or leave it but im pretty confident

ok

wish I knew that sooner as town because that could've been helpful in dermining, oh I don't know, my n1 action

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:23 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:28 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:27 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:23 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:24 pm Hyena might be town here actually. There is some information rocking around in my brain that says that this is his town meta.

in 2 words or less can you please describe the difference between Hyena's town meta and wolf meta?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:05 pm for me? please? love you

okay ur mafia im actually serious. super confident ur mafia. ur mafia. i think u popped in and tried to look towny. ur mafia

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

while I haven't been in the game much

to me it looks like this could fail for two reasons

1) They could be very silly or its just a personalized way of reacting to stuff
2) "Look towny" is a very broad thing because there are so many ways one can be town but not look it and vice versa

so how come they are your biggest scum out of the 27 players so far

is there like more evidence than just 1 single thing is what I would like to know more tbh

Martin, what was this?

It was a post directed at Tutuu (as we can plainly and clearly read), and I'm not sure why you're asking me this.

Why are you shading Tutuu?

That isn't shade. Its a question.

I never said anything about her alignment in said post, or what do I think of her alignment.

In fact that question was meant to help me determine if she was within scum-range or not.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:28 pm Was that a derp clear attempt

I think the better question is even if it wasn't would you still scumread me lol

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:28 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:25 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:23 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:28 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:27 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:23 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:06 pm



okay ur mafia im actually serious. super confident ur mafia. ur mafia. i think u popped in and tried to look towny. ur mafia

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

while I haven't been in the game much

to me it looks like this could fail for two reasons

1) They could be very silly or its just a personalized way of reacting to stuff
2) "Look towny" is a very broad thing because there are so many ways one can be town but not look it and vice versa

so how come they are your biggest scum out of the 27 players so far

is there like more evidence than just 1 single thing is what I would like to know more tbh

Martin, what was this?

It was a post directed at Tutuu (as we can plainly and clearly read), and I'm not sure why you're asking me this.

Why are you shading Tutuu?

That isn't shade. Its a question.

I never said anything about her alignment in said post, or what do I think of her alignment.

It feels like you're suggesting that Kyle shouldn't be her biggest scumread out of the 27 players.

Indeed I was.

Is that shade, or merely disagreement?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:30 pm why did both martin and made assume the derp clear post was about them lolol

it seemed awfully quick as a response to Hyena so I didn't think it was to them, and therefore it was to me perhaps since our discussion over multiball was over

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:32 pm cuz i'm being dismissed for my martin slip theory. Figured y'all were calling me dumb too

Martin slip?

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:22 pm ...is no one seeing the slip? We don't know mafia's wincon here

Well everyone tells me Mafia is being typical here.

So I had to assume it was the most common win-condition I've seen in the past when making that argument.

But its pointless and you should be worrying about that post-flip.

(Or, more preferably, don't worry about that at all)

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:34 pm know mafia's wincon. There's no way you could know that. it's not public info

Did you just slip that I correctly guessed the wincon?

See, this "slip" business is crap.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:38 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:36 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:34 pm know mafia's wincon. There's no way you could know that. it's not public info

Did you just slip that I correctly guessed the wincon?

See, this "slip" business is crap.

I mean you've been very careful to say when you've been assuming things, then you say something that is confirmed (how mafia was confirmed) in the same sentence where you talk about something that's not confirmed. You said it like you didn't know the wincon wasn't confirmed

But people were talking to me using hypotheses (or reads) of large mafia teams....

Anyways the logic is convoluted to explain and I need to do other things.

Like (anit-)spewing, apparently.

Oh and @Sloonei

I would love to hear an explanation from you on D3 once I'm dead as to why you were the first voter on me, and not only that, but kept your vote on me several hours before people started popping up on me.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:44 pm if you're town and i fail to find you as town by the end of the day im sorry martin

its ok at least they aren't deleting you and if we assume my death is unavoidable now then I would do it all over again regardless of everyone's alignment.

This game has been quite enjoyable so far, and I really hope and believe I am right on you and Thunal. (Not too sure about Thunal considering replacement mention but I'm not going to go into that more considering some sites might have ethics against discussing it)

I already feel like I've achieved more than I did in past games; that somehow my skill has improved. If it hasn't and I was wrong somewhere, then this will be a great experience to learn from that.

Also weren't you supposed to do other stuffs >:(
(I'm not mad lol)

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:46 pm it's too bad the martin godreader is a 3p who vowed not to help solve

Yeah ikr

but I wanted to interact with people who might've wanted to interact with me

Can't do that at the same time that I'm creating what I think, anyways.

Was looking back at my ISO to regurgitate my notes and

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:09 am Martin's content quality and activity < Anyone else's content quality and activity

its almost funny reading this cuz in someways its the opposite and that's the exact reason I'm being executed here lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:39 pm Group 1

TurnipHead
Long Con
Made
Hyena
Timsup2nothin
Sloonei
Syn
Thunal33
DrWilgy

Group 2

falcon45ca
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Master Radishes
112
MacDougall
Alison

Group 3

tutuu
Kylemii
TonyStarkPrime
Michelle
JackofHearts2005

Maybe this is more useful in the future @MacDougall (removed Cat and Sig/Dya), because that seems interesting to do while I figure out my reads list.

If I had to make one of these groups immune from deletion for a day, its really hard to guess which one because I really want to protect tutuu but honestly everyone else in group #3 there is someone I don't really know about and Michelle I only had a town-lean on for a single word use rather than anything in-depth.

Group 2 I probably always never protect. Aside from Mac, no one in there is a strong contender of being town to me.

And then there's group 1. It's also appealing in some ways, I mean I feel like Tim and Thunal33 are likely towns along with some possible wolves in there such as Hyena or Sloonei (maybe Syn but apparently some people think he's v/v with me) but if I were to protect group #3 then I imagine group #2 and #1 going at each other is basically the status quo after I'm dead even if I protected no one.

Final answer would probably be group #3 to protect though from what I've seen so far because I feel like that covers less possible wolves and given that we found mafia on d1 I believe in the towns to show they're town after my flip and reads and not get deleted.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:03 pm Martin is never towny so he's probs just mafia for being towny

LOL

Uh, thanks for the insult?

Well not insult but lol

Martin's Reads!
(Don't read into the colorfulness please)

Mini-legend:
* - ** - *** : Low - Medium - High confidence (Low confidence = likely to move up or down in reads)
# : Significant lack of investigation by me into this player

Town
Town Lean
Null
Scum-lean
Scum

112*
Alison***
DrWilgy*#
Dyslexicon ** (sorta #)
falcon45ca **
Hyena*
JackofHearts2005 ** #
JustPlayingitcool **
Kylemii *
Long Con* (sorta #)
MacDougall **
Made*
Marmot ** #
Master Radishes***#
Michelle*#
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME ***
nutella **
Sloonei **
Syn*
tedxtr*#
Thunal33***
Timsup2nothin**
TonyStarkPrime **
tutuu **


I guess this is the best summary I can do of how I feel on my reads? I can't really write a wall about absolutely everyone since I haven't investigated everyone especially with my limited time here.

Oh and there's supposed to be a # next to TSP.

Anyways I do feel like Falcon45ca should be chopped at some point cuz I find no value in him what-so-ever.

The gifs and jokes that encompassed most of D1 doesn't appease me. Nanook & JustPlayingItCool both stand out to me because if memory serves correctly they've been on quite a few trains I did not like and it makes me wonder if that's intentional or just coincidence.

(You might have to fact-check me on this though)

Syn I may just be biased in wanting to get rid of him but apparently some people think it was v/v between me and him and while I don't have all the time in the world to look into that I do wonder if one of them, if syn is a wolf, was a partner suggesting that.

Sloonei feels like he could be suspicious because I feel like at the time he voted me, that was the exact time-frame that I was attacked for by other people I think

which makes me paranoid if he was mafia then he could be using BTSC to point out a vulnerability in my defense and get me smited

112 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:53 pm I'm not really buying that you're null on all those people. No read on MR, nute, Made and Marmot?

You don't have to buy it now. Buy it later when I'm dead.

Oh and I should note my role was used on Falcon45ca on N1. I won't claim what my role is or what it is named, but when I flip and if people wonder what I did then that's what I did.

I was falsely hinting earlier about murdering Syn as having KP (I don't), but I figured I was probably a more disposable role since it has the unusual inability to not communicate to whoever it targets.

So assuming I didn't get deleted today, maybe I would've attracted a night-kill in the night.

Anyways I gotta go do homework for Mental Abuse To Humans so I can't do much else; especially when I got other stuff starting tomorrow as well as classes.

I likely won't be here again before EoD.

So once again I appreciate and it ironically makes me happy (rather than angry) to be day-killed for TMI suspicions

but I hope you all will realize Tutuu + Thunal are likely town slots and maybe the rest of my reads are somewhat correct as well

Goodnight everyone.

hi all I took the pause to do absolutely nothing productive

I'll be here later but I wanted to quickly note here for some reason someone thought I was hinting that deleting me would give out useful information based on my role

and I want to clarify I wasn't; only that if I were flipped and for some reason that information became useful then people would know that I targeted Falcon45ca.

okay I am here

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:21 pm I have almost doubled my postcount from when I joined the game. When am I post count clear? I need a goal people.

for you to me its 0

I believed in Thunal33 (assuming you're her replacement) was town for most of D1