The Syndicate

Oh 112 is already there.

112 town.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:49 pm hi sorry, long couple of days. renovations in my suite are ongoing and it's stressful on top of general business

[VOTE: enderwiggin] aubergine

^because i'm 50 pages behind and will be going by gut until i catch up on enough details

Hmm.

Okay this is not as confident as I hoped.

As I've read Ender's posts sporadically throughout the game I feel they're /fine/ but he feels very...detached? from the collective. Like he's not truly slanking but I don't feel like his contributions have added much to the direction of the thread, and he doesn't seem bothered by that. (I realise the same criticism can be leveled at me but I *am* bothered by it.)

I haven't opened up his iso and maybe I should. I'd probably end up nitpicking though, and my concern is more on a macro level anyway.

Also when I looked at Dya's wagon earlier I felt there were very few options for an opportunistic scum and it was basically him or Michelle (putting aside certain slots for raisins) and Michelle has been poisoned and so far D2 seems sharp in the way I expect from her.

Poison said she'd talk with me then ghosted.

Oh yeah the Koba 'Creature posts' slip thing.

Ngl I don't want to read Koba's iso either because I don't like their tone and my eyes so far tend to glaze over at their posts. I'm willing to trust people on that.

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:11 am @Master Radishes i dont know what to talk about because we barely interacted and I didn't catch up or iso you, but I wanna read you so I wanna interact with you. If that makes sense

Yeah I was sitting here trying to think of a good question to throw back at you and all I can think of are stupid ones people sometimes ask like 'are you in your scum range' and 'GTH who is slipping under the radar' and stuff like that I don't actually care about.

Maybe give me your PoE and we can compare? Or your list of uncertains/nulls if you prefer.

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:11 am Oh i remember something you were the last person on dya's wagon iirc? Why did you choose dya over the other wagons?

Said this in an earlier post but in a nutshell I came in at EoD and didn't have time to process everything so I just sheeped my townreads who had all swapped to Dya. I also low key liked that it was a last minute wagon swap tbh, especially one on someone like Dya who I assumed wouldn't be wagoned for no reason. Felt the momentum was probably towny and so I followed it.

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:21 am NULLS:
Made
Ender
MR
Nook
Wilgy
TSP
sig

Do you not buy TSP's claim about Sig being mech clear?


We uh. We have a lot in common. What are your thoughts on Ender?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:23 am i have no hope for this town to even bother sheeping me after i die becauae a vast majority of you have clearly only read ~5% of the game and it shows

I never read dead vills.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:24 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:23 am i have no hope for this town to even bother sheeping me after i die becauae a vast majority of you have clearly only read ~5% of the game and it shows

I never read dead vills.

(And obviously if you're a wolf I'm definitely not reading you.)

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:27 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:44 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:50 am They claimed RBer later. Probably a claim close to their real role and they can say it is a way of claiming safe if they are villager to avoid a soup kill. Whether a soup kill exists or not, we don't really know it because 'Role/flavour claiming is allowed but it may not be in your best interests' doesn't imply an anticlaim mechanic that big, but mafia can have a claim vigi for eg.

I was thinking about this earlier. I don't think there's a soup kill mechanic. I know that's the Big Bad Scary Monster of Syndicate games, but it's not actually all that common in games I've been in. I think JPIC's counter to mass claiming is the fact that roles aren't being revealed upon flip. That opens the door for fake claims from scum.

This is not me advocating for a full claim or anything. I hate when games devolve into mech stuff. But I think it's *probably* okay for people to claim if they really want to.

Says the guy who told me what you did last night is nothing that concerns me

Why don’t you start, since you’re not averse to everyone claiming

I'd rather not.

I meant was that it didn't involve you.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:28 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:27 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:44 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:50 am They claimed RBer later. Probably a claim close to their real role and they can say it is a way of claiming safe if they are villager to avoid a soup kill. Whether a soup kill exists or not, we don't really know it because 'Role/flavour claiming is allowed but it may not be in your best interests' doesn't imply an anticlaim mechanic that big, but mafia can have a claim vigi for eg.

I was thinking about this earlier. I don't think there's a soup kill mechanic. I know that's the Big Bad Scary Monster of Syndicate games, but it's not actually all that common in games I've been in. I think JPIC's counter to mass claiming is the fact that roles aren't being revealed upon flip. That opens the door for fake claims from scum.

This is not me advocating for a full claim or anything. I hate when games devolve into mech stuff. But I think it's *probably* okay for people to claim if they really want to.

Says the guy who told me what you did last night is nothing that concerns me

Why don’t you start, since you’re not averse to everyone claiming

I'd rather not.

I meant was that it didn't involve you.

(Like what I did with my role, if indeed I have a role (HAHA WIFOM), was not targeted at or around you. Just to be crystal.)

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:29 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:52 am Does anyone want to start a third wagon on Ender with me? I know Rondo did a bigass post but I didn't read any of it.

No.

This is telling me that at least 2 of made/you/strawberry are mafia

Who is Strawberry and why don't I get a fun nickname?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:29 am (im reading along and have nothing to add, im happy with this game state)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:35 am this entire bullshit gamestate makes me angry

Oh no mommy tutuu and daddy mac are fighting again

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:35 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:34 am Ruri
112 (was actually reading something from her in the thread that i like, but i dn't remember much from her)
Syn
epi (wanna talk about this later)

Urist [not thinking about his claim]
Koba

@Scotty this is my scummish to scum read.

Oh wait I misread your list. Why did you put your sum in the middle?

Okay we have less in common than I thought.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:36 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:36 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:29 am (im reading along and have nothing to add, im happy with this game state)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:35 am this entire bullshit gamestate makes me angry

Oh no mommy tutuu and daddy mac are fighting again

you're not helping you wolfy ass fuck

Daddy Mac is mad at me

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:40 am Radish, you’ve since ignored my post calling you out for not disclosing your role.

So if you’re so gung-ho on suggesting we all claim, why not go ahead and get us started? I insist

Bruh read my posts before you go calling me out. I said loud and clear twice I don't advocate for a reveal. I just said there's likely not a soup kill.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:45 am Anyway, i have an ability that can learn if a player got info from another player.

Master Radishes visited tutuu last night and learned something

Correct.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:54 am irl my life is in turmoil and I can't do this soz

Mafia is just a game fam. Good luck with IRL.

Sorry if my sass earlier riled you up.

I don't have a personal opinion on Koba but every time I read what tutuu says about them I become convinced she's probably just right.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:57 am I would contend that 3 people claiming to have targeted tutuu last night gives tutuu a lot of town equity, especially if any of urist/radish/poison are mafia

I too think Tutuu is town.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:54 am irl my life is in turmoil and I can't do this soz

Answer my 112 question

Come on. Leave the guy alone.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:06 am Kk.

Explain MR wagon to me.

Voting DK in meantime.

Epi didn't like my last minute vote on Dya

Mac I think just doesn't like my thread position of 'posting but not doing much' or however he might describe it

Scotty doesn't know that Fiona and me do it in my van every sunday

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:06 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:58 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:54 am irl my life is in turmoil and I can't do this soz

Answer my 112 question

Come on. Leave the guy alone.

No.

He literally said he can't play right now due to IRL stuff.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:38 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:52 am Does anyone want to start a third wagon on Ender with me? I know Rondo did a bigass post but I didn't read any of it.

The bigass post was saying I was more town than scum rn. But go off king.

I mean fine but from glancing at the conclusion he doesn't seem entirely sold on it, like not to the point of shielding you or anything.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:45 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:36 am I want to go on record as saying all town in this game you suck

Dw I know.

Town is doing amazing this day phase don't let the wolves demoralize you.

Agree with this. Like I'm sure there must be at least one wolf or even two who have escaped the PoE but this gamestate doesn't feel like town eating itself, it feels like town that hasn't quite found cohesion but is slowly boxing in the scum team.

I am also probably not the person to be making gamestate reads but too late.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:51 am Urist's claim was fake for the record, it was a joke. Not that it matters

What

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:09 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:07 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:38 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:52 am Does anyone want to start a third wagon on Ender with me? I know Rondo did a bigass post but I didn't read any of it.

The bigass post was saying I was more town than scum rn. But go off king.

I mean fine but from glancing at the conclusion he doesn't seem entirely sold on it, like not to the point of shielding you or anything.

That's because anything he can townread me for he knows I could fake.

So then why should I trust his read on you

That said Ender,

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:54 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:46 am Shut up wolf.

Well, first, I suggest you start calling around for quotes to deconstruct your tunnel.

Second, you realise how this specific take on engaging with people you think is scummy is not only demoralizing for wrongly tunnelled town but just make me less and less inclined to actually try and solve?

If you said "I think you're still wolfy for this and this." or tried to debate my points or just ignored my reads, w/e. But every time I try to participate when you're around you just sit there saying "DIE WOLF" or some vaguely reminiscent statement with no content.

There's part of me that wants to ignore all my read on you so far every time you do it because I just don't want to be part of thread where you're town and doing that.

This is fair. I don't know that it changes my read on you but on the off chance I'm wrong I think it's fair to let you have some space to breathe.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:15 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:33 am @falcon45ca who do you think is mafia?

Fucked if I know.


I'm fine with lynching DK, MR, Ender right now

Mmmmm sorry, the time for opportunistically shading me has passed.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:17 am Actually I wouldn't be surprised if MR was town this game.

That would be two games in a row I've thought he's scum when he's town.

I am...not unfamiliar with being misread.

When did we play together? Sorry for forgetting.

Falcon may be scum. That last post did not sit well with me.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:20 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:18 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:17 am Actually I wouldn't be surprised if MR was town this game.

That would be two games in a row I've thought he's scum when he's town.

I am...not unfamiliar with being misread.

When did we play together? Sorry for forgetting.

We didn't. I was in Spec in Bonk mafia, trying to solve the game unspoiled.

I had you as scum for like, all the way until end-d2.

Oh I see.

I think you just fell into the trap others often fall into when encountering me for the first time. I do fuck all most of the early game. Lately I've *wanted* to change that but have sort of struggled to break my own meta in that regard for various reasons.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:22 am MR has gotten to the point where I don't try to read them anymore. I've literally always been wrong. My efforts are better elsewhere.

Mad respect tho.

I don't know whether this is a compliment or not considering I think I'm always town in games with you.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:23 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:21 am Falcon may be scum. That last post did not sit well with me.

Spoiler: show

But uh huge grain of salt here. I've mis-read him twice in a row this month. (Or to be clear the second time I was mafia so it wasn't a misread, but he was being conventionally wolfy and other town chopped him with little help needed from me except voicing my support. I definitely would've misread him had I been town.) I think he's not really been tryharding much in games lately and it's leading him to do standard scummy stuff even as town because he's just not really paying attention or something.

Sorry if this is insulting Falc.

i feel we'd know that Falcon is scum by now unless his game evolved.

The problem here is mainly he's been low activity. That's NAI, but it also means one iffy post makes him stand out to me.

I agree we can probably resolve him fairly easily with time.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:25 am This is probably not where I'll vote today, but this is my sussest read rn tbh
[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

Is this just you giving up

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:25 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:22 am MR has gotten to the point where I don't try to read them anymore. I've literally always been wrong. My efforts are better elsewhere.

Mad respect tho.

I don't know whether this is a compliment or not considering I think I'm always town in games with you.

And I always misyeet you

It's more of a slight on my ability. You are good tho and I enjoy playing with you.

I'm actually a really easy read once you get to know my meta. My town game is slanky and shitposty but with occasional moments of accuracy that usually help to bring down at least one scum at some point, though more as a follower/helper behind someone more confident and loud like Nutella or Hally or whoever. My scum game barely exists because I don't often rand it and when I do I die early and easily because I struggle to mimic proper solving.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:28 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:48 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:57 am I would contend that 3 people claiming to have targeted tutuu last night gives tutuu a lot of town equity, especially if any of urist/radish/poison are mafia

Got a moderate belief that those are town with exception of Radishes. And his action might just make him town.

I see it the other way around- despite what tutuu is saying i don’t think it’s exactly townsided. It is confirmed he knows something of tutuu, so holding it back at this point is still fishy to me.

I’m still in on him being mafia

I'm not outing anything further so

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:30 am @Poison i don't think there's any reason for you to claim your target or anything else about your role at this time

Agree

Meta read: Bo being towny

(Might be biased because I already read Syn as town.)

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:58 am Won’t be around EoD bc work

My TRs are all screwy. Also I lied, my passive ability only gives me a random track. I don’t know if MR actually had an info ability, but he’s seemingly running with it. So he may or may not have that.

He grew confident and solvy as soon as he was given that freedom tho, and I don’t know what to make of it. Maybe he is town. Dunno.

Slick.

[VOTE: DkKoba] aubergine

Ties make things interesting.

Just remembered I meant to bring this up:

Made wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:03 am

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:52 am

Made wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:49 am

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:42 am @Made returned from gym yet? Can't talk to you at EoD, I wander around in the dreamland that time

hi friend! i am here for while wazzzupp

I have exactly 40 mins before I go attend the class.

what is your opinion on yesterday's famous wagons [except scotty] not being today's choice? how do you perceive that and what do you think might have happened that makes you a better option than them?

I mean I hate CFD, so I don't like it. I don't think anyone else is on the record as hating them this game, so no easy go tos there. I'm assuming the reason we're not looking at Sig is that something was revealed there. If nothing was revealed there, I don't like that. Same with SynKnows. I get not wanting to vote slots right after they enter a game, but I didn't like syn's d1 or Bo's thread entry so I still have sus there.

TSP hard implied he had mech info that Sig was town. No one has talked about it since and they've both gone pretty quiet. I don't know what to make of it. But for now, yeah, that's why Sig has fallen off the radar.

And yeah I love flash wagons tbh. Though mainly when I'm generating them myself. Maybe I'll try one later.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:21 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:18 am [VOTE: DkKoba] aubergine

Ties make things interesting.

from my perspective (which thinks DK is town, and knows I am town), this vote only make sense as town--unless it's to prevent another wagon from taking off which i just don't see in this game state.

Not gonna lie, your reading of your counterwagon as town feels like something I'd think I should do as a wolf.

Also Made's stagnant takes on D1's wagons (i.e. still sussing Syn, kinda Sig) just feels...out of place. Like he's unable to make proper progression on D1's gamestate.

This may be confbias but it also may just be a hit.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:27 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:24 am Also Made's stagnant takes on D1's wagons (i.e. still sussing Syn, kinda Sig) just feels...out of place. Like he's unable to make proper progression on D1's gamestate.

This may be confbias but it also may just be a hit.

I mean I was comfortable with how day 1 ended until y'all decided to off dya out of nowhere, and I don't like that we're looking away from that, which is why the evolution of my reads has been towards people who are pushing us away from that--IE tutuu

I mean D1 ended with 4 main wagons at some point in the final hours from what I can tell: Dya, Scotty, Syn, Sig. Two of those are now confirmed town. That doesn't shake your view at all?

@112 @falcon45ca @BoKnows

Does Koba seem like Aladeen to you?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:59 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:57 am

Made wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:55 am I just iso'd DK...it tells a different story than reading in thread does

[VOTE: DK] aubergine

if DK is scum tho, it's odd their teammates didn't latch on to my hesitation as a means to start another wagon

Someone yelled at made in scumchat to vote me LMAO
Hey tutuu i bet it was you ~~~

Both you and Made should apply for Hollywood

'Broadway' would have been a better punchline tbh.