The Syndicate

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

meh...

@Porscha did you ever catch up?

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.
I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.
Also worth noting that Mac said nothing of SVS yesterday, but then came in today apparently convinced enough on wolf!SVS that he spent numerous posts saying it without explanation.
I did this too, even svs pointed it out, so why aren't you pointing that out?

I only noticed it with Mac because he was being stubborn about talking about his reads, so I had to dig into his ISO. I haven't done that with you.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:52 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:36 am Dennis
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Kate
MacDougall
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
WindwardAway

I tried to make a readslist to help me sort my thoughts, but honestly I had a hard time breaking even one person away. I'm not sure what this means.
Just push me today. I don't really care lol

Why are you doing this? I very clearly am not just "Oh, THUNDERDOME WWA!!!! NEVER LOOK BACK!!!" but you keep suggesting that I should be? what?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:08 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:02 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:56 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:40 am I have had a quiet Sean/Wind dichotomy rolling around since mid d1. Idr why but it feels right
I'm perfectly fine with doming Seanzie if you want us to be wagons for today
If Sean actually flips town then I'll just suck it and flip tomorrow but I genuinely do not get why I should think he's town

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:19 pm Vibing is fun and solving is fun but I'm just sitting on a wolf!Seanzie take and not really solving any further, I'm completely aware of that and frankly I'm fine with doing so

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:00 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:21 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:18 pm

Oh thanks for reminding me lily flipped town
I was thinking one of those two names was gonna flip wolf with Seanzie
So I guess I'll look at neon again if Seanzie flips wolf which he probably will, if he doesn't, oh well
Would you look at neon if seanzie flips town though bc spoiler I definitely would
I would look at Neon regardless of Seanzie's flip tbh but especially if Seanzie flips town
Actually maybe I retract the "especially if Seanzie flips town" part
Neon was in my PoE anyway

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:06 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:21 am

Honestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.
I'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.
I meantioned in Champs practice that I was playing in a specific way, I mentioned here that I was playing Champs practice in a specific way, at yet you don't bother to verify this at all and instead scumread me for percieved differences without being willing to reconsider? What am I to make of that?

One of your early "differences" was that in Champs practice I did both scumreads and townreads early. It actually use to be a scumtell for me to state townreads, and I still often don't bother to townhunt as town, so your understanding of me is way off, and you have plenty of people in the thread that know me better than you do to help shape your understanding.
Yes I do, and other people (nutella) also said you're not towny so it verifies my opinion.
Idc, I'll happily thunderdome you today.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:39 pm Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.
Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:12 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:39 pm Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.
Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.
What did you see?
A very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!Seanzie
So congrats, that's a point in your favor

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:20 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:48 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:39 pm Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.
Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.
This is 100% true I was completely not gonna bother trying to find any towny posts by you cause I hadn't seen any up to that point but I've seen one or two now

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:17 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:12 pm

What did you see?
A very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!Seanzie
So congrats, that's a point in your favor
... everything you just said actually usually more describes my scum play.

My normal town modus operandi is to cover myself with large amounts of fresh meat, and then stand in the middle of a field yelling, and then look around at everyone to see who is 1. wolf taking the bait, 2. town genuinely just hungry for steak, 3. wolves shying away from me in weird ways because they know I'm trying to bait then, and 4. town shying away from me because they know they can watch and find people who satisfy 1 and 3 around me.

It is not reasonably structured, but it is effective.
Yes, but the reaction you had to my tunneling you is decently convincing. I like reading people off of direct interaction if I don't have enough evidence otherwise. I'll push and I'll be argumentative if I think it's going to net me a solid read by the time I'm done.
I might be a little biased here but I generally get the idea that wwa is not only:
1) making a read that probably makes sense to someone who doesnt play with you often
2) making it obvious and well known she is sr'ing you to the point of considering thunderdoming with you at various points
3) acknowledges that the read was stubborn but shared it anyway
4) includes other reads like on neon that she establishes are separate from you
5) sees a post that reminds her of the town sean she has seen and then changes her read

so unless the post(s) she tr'd you for are ones you don't believe she should tr you for, then where is your biggest issue? I read the tone as really genuine because she chose to make the arguments against you relentlessly while also realizing it didn't really put her in a good light. and even put a pretty big spotlight on you two. what good does it bring a wolf who was in a comfortable position to want to thunderdome in that scenario? I don't think (and i absolutely could be wrong here, i;ve only played with wwa like no more than t wice) that wwa would make a big gambit like that - for reasons I can't even begin to comprehend either
This is a weirdly analytical post from Porscha.

My main complaint about WWA is that the things they've focus on re:me are things that don't make sense for people who know me, and I've pushed them to consider this/explore this and they haven't.

Their thunderdone thing was weird.
-_-

Okay. you didn't refute anything I said. I think it's townier for someone to put their personal read above a general meta read someone else might have instead of just going "oh well some other ppl vouch for your behavior so I guess i'll back down" because I think that's 100% an easier route for a wolf to take.

thunderdome weird or not, do you believe weird = wolf? apparently not, since you're throwing around votes on mac and me. you feel like you lack conviction and that is not a particularly towny trait from you.

Their read is a meta read though, which is kind of my issue - or if it is something else, I haven't seen it. Sure backing down is "easier", but wolves need miselims, and I truly think that only through concerted action by myself in the last 24 hours am I now not a good miselim candidate. When WWA was pushing me, the thread was going for it, I felt it, I saw wolves in the bushes and trees around me. Also, right as soon as I started actually fighting to make myself not a miselim candidate, WWA DID back off. Furthermore, no one was vouching for me (see re:wolves in the bushes) for whatever reason.

I don't believe weird = wolf necessarily, but I also just don't know why WWA is doing this, and I feel like this is a huge departure from last game (whereas they feel the same about me, but I've explained why there would be such a departure, and they have).

"Bad Seanzie, how dare you not death tunnel!" is old. I am allowed to be uncertain, especially when the few times I've tried to push this game, people have defended people giving zero AI content. Bad gamestate leads to inability to form concrete reads.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:41 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:36 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:46 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:35 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:28 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:24 am

I'm sorry that you've had to wolf so many times so recently.
is this an accusation?
sean has been accusing p much everyone

so not rly
I'm trying to figure out why he's throwing out so many scumreads when I'm pretty sure he threw out both scumreads and townreads early on in the last game.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:50 am Like at first I thought it was to get reactions out of people, but if Seanzie makes it so obvious that he's doing it, it's not going to get reactions out of people
So i don't understand the purpose of it and I also don't believe he believes all of what he's said.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:36 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:07 am After the rainbows and sunshine Day Zero, I'm having issues seeing anyone as sinister tbh. Hrm.

Could be Sean is trying to not so much get reactions from people whose names he throws out, but reactions from other people reactions to the suspicion, and to him making it, if that makes sense.

I think it makes sense. Maybe.

Either that or its the classic "throw shit and see what sticks" ploy. So far I''m leaning the first.
That's a fair point

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:40 pm I feel like I'm being counterproductive by further splitting votes but

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't have any super good leads, sorry, and I know Seanzie said he isn't playing at the effort level he put into champs practice, but "vibes" or "gut" or whatever says he feels a bit off, not based on activity (it's a holiday weekend, people be busy) but just that his posts feel lacking in solving energy. And I don't think I'm the only one who noticed this.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:19 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:25 am tee hee lily said I was mafia and voted me ergo died to frame me and it was nutella who did it

svs is just wolfish @Kate agrees

Seanzie is just spewed woof by Nutella tee hee
Other way around, frand.
You're spewing nutella wolf? Lol

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:20 am Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:21 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:20 am Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
Honestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.
I'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.
these are the posts I can see why you would not really like them. but do you think she is using your self-provided reasoning for playing differently against you as an opportunistic endeavor? or that she agrees that you are playing differently and can't reconcile that with how she knows town sean can play?

please hold. I have more thoughts on other posts. your call is important to us.
I am not sure and don't care what WWA's endgoal is atp, I just want them to not push me over things that I should not be pushed for. Can you explain to them that what they are seeing is not necessarily indicative of scum!Seanzie?

I have felt like their push on me has been less than genuine, but it is difficult to judge until I see how they react when others tell them they are wrong.
Yes, and?
Did anyone come in and tell me explicitly, "don't push Seanzie I think they're town"?
No, and I kept gunning for you for quite a while. I don't need to ask people to give reads because that's like pulling teeth. If they disagree they can voice it loudly and it will catch my attention. But nobody said anything, which I found interesting because multiple people said "yeah I'd be fine with yeeting Seanzie" or something to that effect yesterday. And suddenly all of those reads went silent, which could be indicative either way, but nobody stepped up to defend you.
And no, I don't think that makes you a wolf, especially not after multiple other posts i read later that now have me convinced you're town (including your reaction to my push on you), but why are you honed in specifically on me and not the people who had opinions on you yesterday and haven't said anything about you today? Imo you should be looking there. I don't have the focus or energy to look there because I don't feel like mining through isos when I don't remember who said what.

I think you're mistaking Porscha's quesions about you to me with me being honed in on you. I do not feel "honed in on you", I clearly have been pushing much more towards Mac, Porscha, and probably like 3 other people that I've forgotten about by now since I've seriously pushed in your direction. Why do you feel like i'm honed in on you? Because I'm discussing your alignment?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:04 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:04 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:57 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:43 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:37 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:37 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:36 am Dennis
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Kate
MacDougall
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
WindwardAway

I tried to make a readslist to help me sort my thoughts, but honestly I had a hard time breaking even one person away. I'm not sure what this means.
Whoops All Alphabetical
in all seriousness there isn't even a couple people who you feel are likely town? I feel like enough content has been generated you should be able to?
Yeah, no. I stared at the players list and had trouble.

I am seriously worried about the gamestate. I am not completely sure about how to resolve this, but it is a thing.
any sr's? I see youre on mac rn, is it something you actually believe in? why are you voting mac?
Because Mac deserves more scrutiny than they're currently getting. I was quite demotivated after the whole Mac/Nutella exchange though, tbh.
So you have absolutely no comment about my vote moving off you and immediately onto Mac? Lol
I mean yeah I moved off Mac and onto svs but still, if you think I'm a wolf you should be worried about my vote movement.

For someone who thinks I'm "honed in on" them, you seem to be painfully aware that I'm not honed in on you and tracking your every movement.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:53 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:50 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:41 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:36 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:46 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:35 am

sean has been accusing p much everyone

so not rly
I'm trying to figure out why he's throwing out so many scumreads when I'm pretty sure he threw out both scumreads and townreads early on in the last game.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:50 am Like at first I thought it was to get reactions out of people, but if Seanzie makes it so obvious that he's doing it, it's not going to get reactions out of people
So i don't understand the purpose of it and I also don't believe he believes all of what he's said.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:36 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:07 am After the rainbows and sunshine Day Zero, I'm having issues seeing anyone as sinister tbh. Hrm.

Could be Sean is trying to not so much get reactions from people whose names he throws out, but reactions from other people reactions to the suspicion, and to him making it, if that makes sense.

I think it makes sense. Maybe.

Either that or its the classic "throw shit and see what sticks" ploy. So far I''m leaning the first.
That's a fair point

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:40 pm I feel like I'm being counterproductive by further splitting votes but

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't have any super good leads, sorry, and I know Seanzie said he isn't playing at the effort level he put into champs practice, but "vibes" or "gut" or whatever says he feels a bit off, not based on activity (it's a holiday weekend, people be busy) but just that his posts feel lacking in solving energy. And I don't think I'm the only one who noticed this.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:19 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:02 am

Other way around, frand.
You're spewing nutella wolf? Lol

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:20 am Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:21 am

Honestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.
I'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.
these are the posts I can see why you would not really like them. but do you think she is using your self-provided reasoning for playing differently against you as an opportunistic endeavor? or that she agrees that you are playing differently and can't reconcile that with how she knows town sean can play?

please hold. I have more thoughts on other posts. your call is important to us.
I am not sure and don't care what WWA's endgoal is atp, I just want them to not push me over things that I should not be pushed for. Can you explain to them that what they are seeing is not necessarily indicative of scum!Seanzie?

I have felt like their push on me has been less than genuine, but it is difficult to judge until I see how they react when others tell them they are wrong.
Yes, and?
Did anyone come in and tell me explicitly, "don't push Seanzie I think they're town"?
No, and I kept gunning for you for quite a while. I don't need to ask people to give reads because that's like pulling teeth. If they disagree they can voice it loudly and it will catch my attention. But nobody said anything, which I found interesting because multiple people said "yeah I'd be fine with yeeting Seanzie" or something to that effect yesterday. And suddenly all of those reads went silent, which could be indicative either way, but nobody stepped up to defend you.
And no, I don't think that makes you a wolf, especially not after multiple other posts i read later that now have me convinced you're town (including your reaction to my push on you), but why are you honed in specifically on me and not the people who had opinions on you yesterday and haven't said anything about you today? Imo you should be looking there. I don't have the focus or energy to look there because I don't feel like mining through isos when I don't remember who said what.
I think you're mistaking Porscha's quesions about you to me with me being honed in on you. I do not feel "honed in on you", I clearly have been pushing much more towards Mac, Porscha, and probably like 3 other people that I've forgotten about by now since I've seriously pushed in your direction. Why do you feel like i'm honed in on you? Because I'm discussing your alignment?
No, I didn't mean in terms of reads, I meant specifically questioning why *I* was scumreading you at that point and not questioning the other people who had thrown scumreads on you at various points the previous day and had mysteriously dropped them. Because, as you said before, I don't have meta on you. So why do you think it's so bad that I was trying to read you off of whatever resource I had available, even if I only had one sample?

I don't recall anyone who scumread me D1 (I'm sure it happened, I just don't remember, so from my POV nothing majorly pinged me). I do recall that when I looked at you, it was you, Kate and Nutella all voting me, and I did look at all three of you, one at a time, deciding that you were the most likely one to be pushing me in bad faith. I am not so sure of that now, but I am not ready to just give up on the idea either.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:10 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:35 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.
I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.
Also worth noting that Mac said nothing of SVS yesterday, but then came in today apparently convinced enough on wolf!SVS that he spent numerous posts saying it without explanation.
I did this too, even svs pointed it out, so why aren't you pointing that out?
I only noticed it with Mac because he was being stubborn about talking about his reads, so I had to dig into his ISO. I haven't done that with you.
See, normally I would ask why you haven't dug into my ISO if you suspected i was pushing you in bad faith, but I think this whole conversation is going in circles because I don't really care what your read on me is since i already think you're town. The point of my asking about why you noticed Mac specifically was just a check to make sure I'm not clearing you for light reasons, to see if I find any inconsistencies, but so far there aren't. Sorry for grilling you over all this.

I don't mind being grilled, I just am a bit perplexed because you aren't really a main focus of mine, and haven't been for like probably 18 hours, but I see how me responding to Porscha about earlier stuff could make you think otherwise.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:12 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:05 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:01 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:51 am
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:50 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:24 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:06 am

I thought her earlier posts were wolfy and her posts today were better than yesterday's
yeah but like I'm waiting for neon to explode in a ball of townfire and need it before I'm gonna give them a full clear
I gotta be honest I haven't done that in any game recently. I don't know what you expect but it's probably not happening.
You did in the champs practice after lily flipped wolf, but everyone else told me otherwise
I did? I don't feel like I did I played like shit and my heart wasn't in that game for a number of reasons.
Yeah you did, you made a super obvtown post but I think over half the game pushed you for it so apparently I was the only one who thought it was towny. I tried pointing out why it was towny but just got told 'Neon is a really good wolf, don't be fooled' so I still had to PoE you out of obligation to have a wide enough PoE for winning purposes if I hadn't, I would've had the exact solve + 1.
If I made a towny post that game I don't know what it was. I played so bad.

That game has negatively impacted my mafia self image for like the last week's worth of games I've been playing.

Your lily reaction was obvtown in hindsight.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:57 pm [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

I seriously think Porscha is bussing pyxxy

Porscha made a post that made me feel like she was trying to pocket me, and possibly you, or maybe was teammates with you.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:24 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:10 pm Yes

[VOTE: Poracha] aubergine
ok y'all can both gt a pass

Why?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:03 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:57 pm [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

I seriously think Porscha is bussing pyxxy
Porscha made a post that made me feel like she was trying to pocket me, and possibly you, or maybe was teammates with you.
I thought she was trying to pocket me earlier too lol
Idc really if you think she's teamed with me cause all I've done is say I think she should be in the PoE and haven't really pushed her
So tbf I could also be bussing her but like... Nobody except me has had her in the PoE except for Lily who died N1
And I'm surprised I'm the only one who commented on that yesterday

You should vote Porscha with me.

Tell me who to vote.

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

*pokes thread with a stick*

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:06 pm I am not being listened to in this game and it pains me.

I'll listen.

tldr me Woogers.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:06 pm I am not being listened to in this game and it pains me.
I trust you but I tried engaging you about wilgy and you just ignored me

Who should I vote for?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:39 pm I finally thought of what Windwards posts put me I mind of; Dizzy in GOC.

Windward, you are a master of manipulation, your posts are so nicely crafted. I admire your skill

M sorry you’re having to spend your holiday here.

I’m leaving my vote where it is.

hmm...

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:39 pm I finally thought of what Windwards posts put me I mind of; Dizzy in GOC.

Windward, you are a master of manipulation, your posts are so nicely crafted. I admire your skill

M sorry you’re having to spend your holiday here.

I’m leaving my vote where it is.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:49 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:39 pm I finally thought of what Windwards posts put me I mind of; Dizzy in GOC.

Windward, you are a master of manipulation, your posts are so nicely crafted. I admire your skill

M sorry you’re having to spend your holiday here.

I’m leaving my vote where it is.
Yeah honestly? I'm sorry I'm wasting my time trying to convince the thread to listen to me. You can vote me out and then I don't need to play anymore, lol. Otherwise I'll be back home on Sunday and have to deal with another day of getting told everything I say is wrong and wolfy.

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine again. Just for emphasis.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:51 pm Like I don't think you guys get it that i do care about your opinions but I do not give a flying fuck whether my opinions differ. And if you think that's wolfy, great for you, flip me today. And then you won't even listen to my reads after I die because you don't trust them anyway because I DON'T have TMI. It's really annoying.

And FYI if I don't get voted out today but I get hit with a post restriction I'm gonna skate by and minpost like pyxxy so I don't have to deal with it lol.

I promise to listen to your reads if you flip town.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:52 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:51 pm Like I don't think you guys get it that i do care about your opinions but I do not give a flying fuck whether my opinions differ. And if you think that's wolfy, great for you, flip me today. And then you won't even listen to my reads after I die because you don't trust them anyway because I DON'T have TMI. It's really annoying.

And FYI if I don't get voted out today but I get hit with a post restriction I'm gonna skate by and minpost like pyxxy so I don't have to deal with it lol.
I promise to listen to your reads if you flip town.

Well... by "listen to" I mean I will carefully consider and let them weigh into my thinking. I do not promise to sheep. Ever. I am not good at following.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:39 pm I finally thought of what Windwards posts put me I mind of; Dizzy in GOC.

Windward, you are a master of manipulation, your posts are so nicely crafted. I admire your skill

M sorry you’re having to spend your holiday here.

I’m leaving my vote where it is.

Why are you quoting this with no commentary

To make sure it doesn't get lost in your swarm of posts.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:37 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:06 pm I am not being listened to in this game and it pains me.
I trust you but I tried engaging you about wilgy and you just ignored me
Who should I vote for?
I don't care read the game

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:56 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:37 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:06 pm I am not being listened to in this game and it pains me.
I trust you but I tried engaging you about wilgy and you just ignored me
Who should I vote for?
I don't care read the game

*shrug* play the game

I am. Just because I do not play the game how you want me to does not mean I am not playing.

There is zero chance I will read what I haven't by EoD, so I am not even going to try. Instead I am going to do what I do best - make people do AI things. AI things that people can choose to do or not do are currently:

1.) tell me who to vote for.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:52 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:51 pm Like I don't think you guys get it that i do care about your opinions but I do not give a flying fuck whether my opinions differ. And if you think that's wolfy, great for you, flip me today. And then you won't even listen to my reads after I die because you don't trust them anyway because I DON'T have TMI. It's really annoying.

And FYI if I don't get voted out today but I get hit with a post restriction I'm gonna skate by and minpost like pyxxy so I don't have to deal with it lol.
I promise to listen to your reads if you flip town.
No, I know exactly what's gonna happen
You guys will chicken out and not vote me until LyLo and complain how I'm wolfy and still alive and continue not to listen.

I mean, right now, less than an hour before EoD, I am happy to vote you off. I don't know who "you guys" are, but I am not "you guys".

Where does the thread stand on S~V~S?

@Kate are you around?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:54 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:39 pm I finally thought of what Windwards posts put me I mind of; Dizzy in GOC.

Windward, you are a master of manipulation, your posts are so nicely crafted. I admire your skill

M sorry you’re having to spend your holiday here.

I’m leaving my vote where it is.

Why are you quoting this with no commentary
To make sure it doesn't get lost in your swarm of posts.
I didn't write it, though, and svs doesn't have a swarm of posts

soz not soz.

What do you think of SVS?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:02 pm Where does the thread stand on S~V~S?

@Kate are you around?
My opinion hasn't changed this entire time but my opinion doesn't matter

I haven't read, so please reiterate if you don't mind.

AI things that people can choose to do or not do:

1.) Tell me who to vote,

2.) Tell me about SVS

3.) Tell me about WWA

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:04 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:03 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:02 pm Where does the thread stand on S~V~S?

@Kate are you around?
My opinion hasn't changed this entire time but my opinion doesn't matter
I haven't read, so please reiterate if you don't mind.
Scum

As much as I appreciate your ability to minimize the amount of reading I need to do, I'd love to hear more.

I promise that no matter what happens, what you tell me right now I will take to heart tomorrow.

I can quote a game where I did a similar thing to my friend Hawk when she was a string scumread of the thread, she told me lots of stuff, I didn't believe her at the time, but after she flipped town, I listened, and I was part of a town blitzkreig, and a game with 6 scum, she was the only miselim, partially because of her.

I think WWA is correct that what they're doing is wolfy.

I do not at all like how they will not elaborate on scum!SVS read.

@Kate does SVS bus?

Hi Wooger

Do you mind being called Wooger? I say it with affection, but idk if you ever said you like the name.

Oh nvm it wasn't wilgy that moved, it was WWA. disregard my wooger posts.

@WindwardAway

Can you tldr your reads?

This will make it much easier for me to convince everyone that you thought the things you did as I follow you tomorrow.

SVS looks super scummy on a skim of their ISO.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

@MacDougall @TonyStarkPrime

SVS looks scummy and they look like they want to pocket DrWilgy.

What are your thoughts on SVS?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:04 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:59 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:56 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:37 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:33 pm

I trust you but I tried engaging you about wilgy and you just ignored me
Who should I vote for?
I don't care read the game

*shrug* play the game
I am. Just because I do not play the game how you want me to does not mean I am not playing.

There is zero chance I will read what I haven't by EoD, so I am not even going to try. Instead I am going to do what I do best - make people do AI things. AI things that people can choose to do or not do are currently:

1.) tell me who to vote for.
I personally believe pyxxy is probs best but if you cant abide that vote then go wilgy

Tell me about Wilgy.

Do you have a take on SVS?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:07 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:04 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:03 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:02 pm Where does the thread stand on S~V~S?

@Kate are you around?
My opinion hasn't changed this entire time but my opinion doesn't matter
I haven't read, so please reiterate if you don't mind.
Scum
As much as I appreciate your ability to minimize the amount of reading I need to do, I'd love to hear more.

I promise that no matter what happens, what you tell me right now I will take to heart tomorrow.

I can quote a game where I did a similar thing to my friend Hawk when she was a string scumread of the thread, she told me lots of stuff, I didn't believe her at the time, but after she flipped town, I listened, and I was part of a town blitzkreig, and a game with 6 scum, she was the only miselim, partially because of her.
1. Svs started out by townreading me.

2. I said her posts looked on on D0, nothing pinging me, could be town.

3. On D1 i started getting pocket paranoia and said absolutely nothing about it. I could see there was a consensus townread on svs and I thought it was weird so I wanted to see if she was getting threadspewed town or if wolves were shielding her early, so I kept my read to myself and figured it was mostly paranoia.

4. On D2 i finally mentioned it cause someone else voiced worry about svs, and svs asked why I couldn't just assume that she as town had found me as town, and that all she was doing was giving an early townread because she liked my friendliness or something.

5. The whole thread went pushing Kate and svs as partners and I think both of them had very visceral reactions because it was a lot of pressure, all at once, and tbh I thought Kate's reaction was towny (despite suspecting her and being one of the players pushing on her) and svs's reaction was not, but I got a bit worried I'd upset her since I was being very loud and obnoxious about scumreading her for a pocket attempt. So I backed off for the rest of the day on svs, her entire wagon dissolved, and then a wagon formed on Neon pretty much out of nowhere while Neon was out of the thread. So I pushed on falcon because I wasn't feeling a Kate yeet and I was shielding Neon as hard as I could.

6. Svs came into the thread today and echoed what Mac said and said that my EoD made me the most obvious wolf ever and hasn't really elaborated on why my EoD makes me a wolf. Porscha explained why my EoD makes me town, but svs just kept going "look at windward's eod" and basically that's the entire case? And personally I got the feeling she only dropped the townread on me because she needed someone active at EoD to blame for the falcon mislunch and I was town leading it, and she realized she couldn't pocket me by townreading me so she's pushing me instead because that seems to be something the thread mostly agrees with (which is why I was pushing Porscha for having the opposite take at first today, but she gave a reasonable response to me and I don't feel that svs has).

Anyway all of this is just word salad, tl;dr i don't think svs has any good reasons given for scumreading me and it is super opportunistic.

Are your emotions and commitment to the game linked to my read of you right now?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:06 pm I am not being listened to in this game and it pains me.
I’m here to do everything you say

Tell me about SVS and Wilgy please.

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