Hotdog Fingers Mafia [Game over, Mafia won]

[Porscha]

Falcon Kate TSP is the new hotness let's go

wow that's quite the list of hotness (derogatory)
I dont feel like falcon has done much ai
kate, like, sure, I guess. a read can be made there
tsp? t s p? tony stark potato? how you make a read there?

[Porscha]

Falcon Kate TSP is the new hotness let's go

Huh?

ok glad it wasn't just me

[Porscha]

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

throw tomato and boo until one of the comedians, in a fit of rage, rips off their stage suit and reveals a wolf underneath?

what do you mean?

[Porscha]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine love ya' buddy!

surely this is because of ... tsp activity?

I couldn't remember a single thing TSP had done, so it seemed like a natural place to start.

bruh cmon it's 2023

You're right, it is 2023, and the fact that we're still using imperial units in the US is a travesty, so THAT is why I'm voting TSP. MG is my top town.

who is MG

[Seanzie]

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

throw tomato and boo until one of the comedians, in a fit of rage, rips off their stage suit and reveals a wolf underneath?

what do you mean?

WWA resigned themselves to voting me without cause for the rest of the day* not game, sorry. But regardless it is bad.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine love ya' buddy!

surely this is because of ... tsp activity?

I couldn't remember a single thing TSP had done, so it seemed like a natural place to start.

bruh cmon it's 2023

You're right, it is 2023, and the fact that we're still using imperial units in the US is a travesty, so THAT is why I'm voting TSP. MG is my top town.

who is MG

Milligrams.

[Seanzie]

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

throw tomato and boo until one of the comedians, in a fit of rage, rips off their stage suit and reveals a wolf underneath?

what do you mean?

WWA resigned themselves to voting me without cause for the rest of the day* not game, sorry. But regardless it is bad.

Also, Re: your purple: did you actually look at the WWA case on me and why I have issues with it? I feel like you know me well enough that you should be defending me here. Why aren't you?

[Porscha]

:3 I am so silly and happy to be here with you all !!! Insert colon three emoticon here

found nutella's wolf teammate! hahahaha got uuuu

mac I swear to god I will policy you

I would vote Mac. I do not get the feeling that they have any desire to lead town, whereas based on how I've been feeling and other people have echoed, we are lacking a strong town leader.

ok I just spent a dummy amount of time t rying to search for a quote i'm like SO sure exists but I could not find it in the 2 iso's I thought it would be in and couldn't find by control f'ing like every page of the game so now I'm wondering if i'm delusional. I could have sworn someone(s) made a comment about how the threadstate was ripe for power wolfing earlier

[Porscha]

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

throw tomato and boo until one of the comedians, in a fit of rage, rips off their stage suit and reveals a wolf underneath?

what do you mean?

WWA resigned themselves to voting me without cause for the rest of the day* not game, sorry. But regardless it is bad.

Also, Re: your purple: did you actually look at the WWA case on me and why I have issues with it? I feel like you know me well enough that you should be defending me here. Why aren't you?

I dont remember what the case was but i'll go look

also I had made a post at you earlier but idk if you responded to it? I didn't @ you

[Seanzie]

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

throw tomato and boo until one of the comedians, in a fit of rage, rips off their stage suit and reveals a wolf underneath?

what do you mean?

WWA resigned themselves to voting me without cause for the rest of the day* not game, sorry. But regardless it is bad.

Also, Re: your purple: did you actually look at the WWA case on me and why I have issues with it? I feel like you know me well enough that you should be defending me here. Why aren't you?

I dont remember what the case was but i'll go look

also I had made a post at you earlier but idk if you responded to it? I didn't @ you

Are you caught up?

[Porscha]

imagine sitting here waiting for people to show up

i dont have to!

I'm sorry that you've had to wolf so many times so recently.

is this an accusation?

sean has been accusing p much everyone

so not rly

I'm trying to figure out why he's throwing out so many scumreads when I'm pretty sure he threw out both scumreads and townreads early on in the last game.

Like at first I thought it was to get reactions out of people, but if Seanzie makes it so obvious that he's doing it, it's not going to get reactions out of people
So i don't understand the purpose of it and I also don't believe he believes all of what he's said.

After the rainbows and sunshine Day Zero, I'm having issues seeing anyone as sinister tbh. Hrm.

Could be Sean is trying to not so much get reactions from people whose names he throws out, but reactions from other people reactions to the suspicion, and to him making it, if that makes sense.

I think it makes sense. Maybe.

Either that or its the classic "throw shit and see what sticks" ploy. So far I''m leaning the first.

That's a fair point

I feel like I'm being counterproductive by further splitting votes but

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't have any super good leads, sorry, and I know Seanzie said he isn't playing at the effort level he put into champs practice, but "vibes" or "gut" or whatever says he feels a bit off, not based on activity (it's a holiday weekend, people be busy) but just that his posts feel lacking in solving energy. And I don't think I'm the only one who noticed this.

tee hee lily said I was mafia and voted me ergo died to frame me and it was nutella who did it

svs is just wolfish @Kate agrees

Seanzie is just spewed woof by Nutella tee hee

Other way around, frand.

You're spewing nutella wolf? Lol

Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Honestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.

I'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.

these are the posts I can see why you would not really like them. but do you think she is using your self-provided reasoning for playing differently against you as an opportunistic endeavor? or that she agrees that you are playing differently and can't reconcile that with how she knows town sean can play?

please hold. I have more thoughts on other posts. your call is important to us.

[Seanzie]

Dennis
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Kate
MacDougall
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
WindwardAway

I tried to make a readslist to help me sort my thoughts, but honestly I had a hard time breaking even one person away. I'm not sure what this means.

[Porscha]

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

throw tomato and boo until one of the comedians, in a fit of rage, rips off their stage suit and reveals a wolf underneath?

what do you mean?

WWA resigned themselves to voting me without cause for the rest of the day* not game, sorry. But regardless it is bad.

Also, Re: your purple: did you actually look at the WWA case on me and why I have issues with it? I feel like you know me well enough that you should be defending me here. Why aren't you?

I dont remember what the case was but i'll go look

also I had made a post at you earlier but idk if you responded to it? I didn't @ you

Are you caught up?

no

[Porscha]

Dennis
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Kate
MacDougall
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
WindwardAway

I tried to make a readslist to help me sort my thoughts, but honestly I had a hard time breaking even one person away. I'm not sure what this means.

Whoops All Alphabetical

[Porscha]

Dennis
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Kate
MacDougall
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
WindwardAway

I tried to make a readslist to help me sort my thoughts, but honestly I had a hard time breaking even one person away. I'm not sure what this means.

Whoops All Alphabetical

in all seriousness there isn't even a couple people who you feel are likely town? I feel like enough content has been generated you should be able to?

[Seanzie]

imagine sitting here waiting for people to show up

i dont have to!

I'm sorry that you've had to wolf so many times so recently.

is this an accusation?

sean has been accusing p much everyone

so not rly

I'm trying to figure out why he's throwing out so many scumreads when I'm pretty sure he threw out both scumreads and townreads early on in the last game.

Like at first I thought it was to get reactions out of people, but if Seanzie makes it so obvious that he's doing it, it's not going to get reactions out of people
So i don't understand the purpose of it and I also don't believe he believes all of what he's said.

After the rainbows and sunshine Day Zero, I'm having issues seeing anyone as sinister tbh. Hrm.

Could be Sean is trying to not so much get reactions from people whose names he throws out, but reactions from other people reactions to the suspicion, and to him making it, if that makes sense.

I think it makes sense. Maybe.

Either that or its the classic "throw shit and see what sticks" ploy. So far I''m leaning the first.

That's a fair point

I feel like I'm being counterproductive by further splitting votes but

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't have any super good leads, sorry, and I know Seanzie said he isn't playing at the effort level he put into champs practice, but "vibes" or "gut" or whatever says he feels a bit off, not based on activity (it's a holiday weekend, people be busy) but just that his posts feel lacking in solving energy. And I don't think I'm the only one who noticed this.

tee hee lily said I was mafia and voted me ergo died to frame me and it was nutella who did it

svs is just wolfish @Kate agrees

Seanzie is just spewed woof by Nutella tee hee

Other way around, frand.

You're spewing nutella wolf? Lol

Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Honestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.

I'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.

these are the posts I can see why you would not really like them. but do you think she is using your self-provided reasoning for playing differently against you as an opportunistic endeavor? or that she agrees that you are playing differently and can't reconcile that with how she knows town sean can play?

please hold. I have more thoughts on other posts. your call is important to us.

I am not sure and don't care what WWA's endgoal is atp, I just want them to not push me over things that I should not be pushed for. Can you explain to them that what they are seeing is not necessarily indicative of scum!Seanzie?

I have felt like their push on me has been less than genuine, but it is difficult to judge until I see how they react when others tell them they are wrong.

[Seanzie]

Dennis
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Kate
MacDougall
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
WindwardAway

I tried to make a readslist to help me sort my thoughts, but honestly I had a hard time breaking even one person away. I'm not sure what this means.

Whoops All Alphabetical

in all seriousness there isn't even a couple people who you feel are likely town? I feel like enough content has been generated you should be able to?

Yeah, no. I stared at the players list and had trouble.

I am seriously worried about the gamestate. I am not completely sure about how to resolve this, but it is a thing.

[Seanzie]

Someone lead me.

[Porscha]

I have had a quiet Sean/Wind dichotomy rolling around since mid d1. Idr why but it feels right

I'm perfectly fine with doming Seanzie if you want us to be wagons for today
If Sean actually flips town then I'll just suck it and flip tomorrow but I genuinely do not get why I should think he's town

Vibing is fun and solving is fun but I'm just sitting on a wolf!Seanzie take and not really solving any further, I'm completely aware of that and frankly I'm fine with doing so

There is at least one wolf in Neon/Lily.

That's also my thought but idk how confident I am in it, probably less than you

hmmm

Oh thanks for reminding me lily flipped town
I was thinking one of those two names was gonna flip wolf with Seanzie
So I guess I'll look at neon again if Seanzie flips wolf which he probably will, if he doesn't, oh well

Would you look at neon if seanzie flips town though bc spoiler I definitely would

I would look at Neon regardless of Seanzie's flip tbh but especially if Seanzie flips town

Actually maybe I retract the "especially if Seanzie flips town" part
Neon was in my PoE anyway

Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Honestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.

I'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.

I meantioned in Champs practice that I was playing in a specific way, I mentioned here that I was playing Champs practice in a specific way, at yet you don't bother to verify this at all and instead scumread me for percieved differences without being willing to reconsider? What am I to make of that?

One of your early "differences" was that in Champs practice I did both scumreads and townreads early. It actually use to be a scumtell for me to state townreads, and I still often don't bother to townhunt as town, so your understanding of me is way off, and you have plenty of people in the thread that know me better than you do to help shape your understanding.

Yes I do, and other people (nutella) also said you're not towny so it verifies my opinion.
Idc, I'll happily thunderdome you today.

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

What did you see?

A very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!Seanzie
So congrats, that's a point in your favor

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

This is 100% true I was completely not gonna bother trying to find any towny posts by you cause I hadn't seen any up to that point but I've seen one or two now

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

What did you see?

A very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!Seanzie
So congrats, that's a point in your favor

... everything you just said actually usually more describes my scum play.

My normal town modus operandi is to cover myself with large amounts of fresh meat, and then stand in the middle of a field yelling, and then look around at everyone to see who is 1. wolf taking the bait, 2. town genuinely just hungry for steak, 3. wolves shying away from me in weird ways because they know I'm trying to bait then, and 4. town shying away from me because they know they can watch and find people who satisfy 1 and 3 around me.

It is not reasonably structured, but it is effective.

Yes, but the reaction you had to my tunneling you is decently convincing. I like reading people off of direct interaction if I don't have enough evidence otherwise. I'll push and I'll be argumentative if I think it's going to net me a solid read by the time I'm done.

I might be a little biased here but I generally get the idea that wwa is not only:
1) making a read that probably makes sense to someone who doesnt play with you often
2) making it obvious and well known she is sr'ing you to the point of considering thunderdoming with you at various points
3) acknowledges that the read was stubborn but shared it anyway
4) includes other reads like on neon that she establishes are separate from you
5) sees a post that reminds her of the town sean she has seen and then changes her read

so unless the post(s) she tr'd you for are ones you don't believe she should tr you for, then where is your biggest issue? I read the tone as really genuine because she chose to make the arguments against you relentlessly while also realizing it didn't really put her in a good light. and even put a pretty big spotlight on you two. what good does it bring a wolf who was in a comfortable position to want to thunderdome in that scenario? I don't think (and i absolutely could be wrong here, i;ve only played with wwa like no more than t wice) that wwa would make a big gambit like that - for reasons I can't even begin to comprehend either

[Porscha]

Dennis
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Kate
MacDougall
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
WindwardAway

I tried to make a readslist to help me sort my thoughts, but honestly I had a hard time breaking even one person away. I'm not sure what this means.

Whoops All Alphabetical

in all seriousness there isn't even a couple people who you feel are likely town? I feel like enough content has been generated you should be able to?

Yeah, no. I stared at the players list and had trouble.

I am seriously worried about the gamestate. I am not completely sure about how to resolve this, but it is a thing.

any sr's? I see youre on mac rn, is it something you actually believe in? why are you voting mac?

[Porscha]

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

WWAs reason to push you might not be the best I'm not sure what it is. But I do not think that WWA as a wolf just basically straight up admits to tunneling you and only you all phase and being unwilling to look anywhere else until you die.

That just doesn't vibe wolfy to me.

ran into this. agree with neon as a tl;dr to my post except the first line. cuz I specifically think it's towny

[Seanzie]

I have had a quiet Sean/Wind dichotomy rolling around since mid d1. Idr why but it feels right

I'm perfectly fine with doming Seanzie if you want us to be wagons for today
If Sean actually flips town then I'll just suck it and flip tomorrow but I genuinely do not get why I should think he's town

Vibing is fun and solving is fun but I'm just sitting on a wolf!Seanzie take and not really solving any further, I'm completely aware of that and frankly I'm fine with doing so

That's also my thought but idk how confident I am in it, probably less than you

hmmm

Oh thanks for reminding me lily flipped town
I was thinking one of those two names was gonna flip wolf with Seanzie
So I guess I'll look at neon again if Seanzie flips wolf which he probably will, if he doesn't, oh well

Would you look at neon if seanzie flips town though bc spoiler I definitely would

I would look at Neon regardless of Seanzie's flip tbh but especially if Seanzie flips town

Actually maybe I retract the "especially if Seanzie flips town" part
Neon was in my PoE anyway

Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Honestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.

I'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.

I meantioned in Champs practice that I was playing in a specific way, I mentioned here that I was playing Champs practice in a specific way, at yet you don't bother to verify this at all and instead scumread me for percieved differences without being willing to reconsider? What am I to make of that?

One of your early "differences" was that in Champs practice I did both scumreads and townreads early. It actually use to be a scumtell for me to state townreads, and I still often don't bother to townhunt as town, so your understanding of me is way off, and you have plenty of people in the thread that know me better than you do to help shape your understanding.

Yes I do, and other people (nutella) also said you're not towny so it verifies my opinion.
Idc, I'll happily thunderdome you today.

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

What did you see?

A very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!Seanzie
So congrats, that's a point in your favor

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

This is 100% true I was completely not gonna bother trying to find any towny posts by you cause I hadn't seen any up to that point but I've seen one or two now

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

What did you see?

A very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!Seanzie
So congrats, that's a point in your favor

... everything you just said actually usually more describes my scum play.

My normal town modus operandi is to cover myself with large amounts of fresh meat, and then stand in the middle of a field yelling, and then look around at everyone to see who is 1. wolf taking the bait, 2. town genuinely just hungry for steak, 3. wolves shying away from me in weird ways because they know I'm trying to bait then, and 4. town shying away from me because they know they can watch and find people who satisfy 1 and 3 around me.

It is not reasonably structured, but it is effective.

Yes, but the reaction you had to my tunneling you is decently convincing. I like reading people off of direct interaction if I don't have enough evidence otherwise. I'll push and I'll be argumentative if I think it's going to net me a solid read by the time I'm done.

I might be a little biased here but I generally get the idea that wwa is not only:
1) making a read that probably makes sense to someone who doesnt play with you often
2) making it obvious and well known she is sr'ing you to the point of considering thunderdoming with you at various points
3) acknowledges that the read was stubborn but shared it anyway
4) includes other reads like on neon that she establishes are separate from you
5) sees a post that reminds her of the town sean she has seen and then changes her read

so unless the post(s) she tr'd you for are ones you don't believe she should tr you for, then where is your biggest issue? I read the tone as really genuine because she chose to make the arguments against you relentlessly while also realizing it didn't really put her in a good light. and even put a pretty big spotlight on you two. what good does it bring a wolf who was in a comfortable position to want to thunderdome in that scenario? I don't think (and i absolutely could be wrong here, i;ve only played with wwa like no more than t wice) that wwa would make a big gambit like that - for reasons I can't even begin to comprehend either

This is a weirdly analytical post from Porscha.

My main complaint about WWA is that the things they've focus on re:me are things that don't make sense for people who know me, and I've pushed them to consider this/explore this and they haven't.

Their thunderdone thing was weird.

[Seanzie]

Dennis
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Kate
MacDougall
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
WindwardAway

I tried to make a readslist to help me sort my thoughts, but honestly I had a hard time breaking even one person away. I'm not sure what this means.

Whoops All Alphabetical

in all seriousness there isn't even a couple people who you feel are likely town? I feel like enough content has been generated you should be able to?

Yeah, no. I stared at the players list and had trouble.

I am seriously worried about the gamestate. I am not completely sure about how to resolve this, but it is a thing.

any sr's? I see youre on mac rn, is it something you actually believe in? why are you voting mac?

Because Mac deserves more scrutiny than they're currently getting. I was quite demotivated after the whole Mac/Nutella exchange though, tbh.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

[Seanzie]

meh...

[Seanzie]

@Porscha did you ever catch up?

[Seanzie]

meh

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

[Porscha]

Also @TonyStarkPrime I didn't say I suspected her for "gamestate". I suspect her for the stuff she has said.

No the issue is I kinda think you’re a wolf


I agree that that’s why she’s suspicious

mmmmmmm okay so this implies you are sr'ing them both and therefore believe svs at this time with her vote was bussing.

[Porscha]

@Porscha did you ever catch up?

there's 8 pages and i'm doing other things too so no i'm not done

[Porscha]

and I spent like half an hour reading wwa iso and trying to find other posts with exclusively you taking up my reading time

[Porscha]

I have had a quiet Sean/Wind dichotomy rolling around since mid d1. Idr why but it feels right

I'm perfectly fine with doming Seanzie if you want us to be wagons for today
If Sean actually flips town then I'll just suck it and flip tomorrow but I genuinely do not get why I should think he's town

Vibing is fun and solving is fun but I'm just sitting on a wolf!Seanzie take and not really solving any further, I'm completely aware of that and frankly I'm fine with doing so

hmmm

Oh thanks for reminding me lily flipped town
I was thinking one of those two names was gonna flip wolf with Seanzie
So I guess I'll look at neon again if Seanzie flips wolf which he probably will, if he doesn't, oh well

Would you look at neon if seanzie flips town though bc spoiler I definitely would

I would look at Neon regardless of Seanzie's flip tbh but especially if Seanzie flips town

Actually maybe I retract the "especially if Seanzie flips town" part
Neon was in my PoE anyway

Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Honestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.

I'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.

I meantioned in Champs practice that I was playing in a specific way, I mentioned here that I was playing Champs practice in a specific way, at yet you don't bother to verify this at all and instead scumread me for percieved differences without being willing to reconsider? What am I to make of that?

One of your early "differences" was that in Champs practice I did both scumreads and townreads early. It actually use to be a scumtell for me to state townreads, and I still often don't bother to townhunt as town, so your understanding of me is way off, and you have plenty of people in the thread that know me better than you do to help shape your understanding.

Yes I do, and other people (nutella) also said you're not towny so it verifies my opinion.
Idc, I'll happily thunderdome you today.

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

What did you see?

A very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!Seanzie
So congrats, that's a point in your favor

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

This is 100% true I was completely not gonna bother trying to find any towny posts by you cause I hadn't seen any up to that point but I've seen one or two now

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

What did you see?

A very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!Seanzie
So congrats, that's a point in your favor

... everything you just said actually usually more describes my scum play.

My normal town modus operandi is to cover myself with large amounts of fresh meat, and then stand in the middle of a field yelling, and then look around at everyone to see who is 1. wolf taking the bait, 2. town genuinely just hungry for steak, 3. wolves shying away from me in weird ways because they know I'm trying to bait then, and 4. town shying away from me because they know they can watch and find people who satisfy 1 and 3 around me.

It is not reasonably structured, but it is effective.

Yes, but the reaction you had to my tunneling you is decently convincing. I like reading people off of direct interaction if I don't have enough evidence otherwise. I'll push and I'll be argumentative if I think it's going to net me a solid read by the time I'm done.

I might be a little biased here but I generally get the idea that wwa is not only:
1) making a read that probably makes sense to someone who doesnt play with you often
2) making it obvious and well known she is sr'ing you to the point of considering thunderdoming with you at various points
3) acknowledges that the read was stubborn but shared it anyway
4) includes other reads like on neon that she establishes are separate from you
5) sees a post that reminds her of the town sean she has seen and then changes her read

so unless the post(s) she tr'd you for are ones you don't believe she should tr you for, then where is your biggest issue? I read the tone as really genuine because she chose to make the arguments against you relentlessly while also realizing it didn't really put her in a good light. and even put a pretty big spotlight on you two. what good does it bring a wolf who was in a comfortable position to want to thunderdome in that scenario? I don't think (and i absolutely could be wrong here, i;ve only played with wwa like no more than t wice) that wwa would make a big gambit like that - for reasons I can't even begin to comprehend either

This is a weirdly analytical post from Porscha.

My main complaint about WWA is that the things they've focus on re:me are things that don't make sense for people who know me, and I've pushed them to consider this/explore this and they haven't.

Their thunderdone thing was weird.

-_-

Okay. you didn't refute anything I said. I think it's townier for someone to put their personal read above a general meta read someone else might have instead of just going "oh well some other ppl vouch for your behavior so I guess i'll back down" because I think that's 100% an easier route for a wolf to take.

thunderdome weird or not, do you believe weird = wolf? apparently not, since you're throwing around votes on mac and me. you feel like you lack conviction and that is not a particularly towny trait from you.

[MacDougall]

porscha is town or has increased their wolf range by elevenfold since I last saw it

[MacDougall]

I don't feel much else different except maybe I think Neon is wolfy and their vote being on svs is giving me the heebie jeebies

[Porscha]

looking at these names in isolation I think that wilgy and seanzie are townier than Kate svs and falcon just lil bit

how is wilgy townier than those names. all he has said is yes all game

[WindwardAway]

Wow the wolves really want to lim svs. @Dennis ? Where do you vote?

Who are the wolves on SVS?

Me

[WindwardAway]

you're gonna look pretty bad when she flips mafia

It's not "you're their partner" or anything like that, Mac just wants to point out that I'll look bad.

Mac knows my alignment. Based on this, I'd guess he's bussing, but honestly it could be either way.

Regardless, Mac does not have a good SVS case and the fact that Mac is doing this stonewall on me when I'm trying to work with him, it's no bueno.

Yeah but even if Mac is scum I still want svs out first because I suspect her more
Literally none of her replies to me were something I'd say never comes from a wolf
I mean, could it be exasperated town? Maybe, but I don't really read them that way.
So if Mac is bussing, I'll help him bus, but atp I'm less inclined to vote him than I was earlier.

[WindwardAway]

and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill

Look at Mac's SVS record. Does that look like Mac trying to sort someone, or does that look like Mac trying to flip someone? Keep in mind that again this is independent of SVS's alignment, ask yourself how MAC actually looks.

Yeah you're really missing the real time context lol
I'm fairly sure Mac wanted to flip someone else (falcon?) before svs when I asked him, and then suddenly svs had a very scummy reaction in the thread and then Mac jumped on svs
That's not someone who is agenda pushing, that's someone who saw a scum tell

[WindwardAway]

let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.

Also worth noting that Mac said nothing of SVS yesterday, but then came in today apparently convinced enough on wolf!SVS that he spent numerous posts saying it without explanation.

I did this too, even svs pointed it out, so why aren't you pointing that out?

[WindwardAway]

Not stating reasons that are up to your standards != not in good faith

Okay, I am getting frustrated. Mac's reasons are not up to basic standards, not just "my standards".

Please quote Mac's reasons for his SVS push. I am trying to speak to you, but I cannot tell if you aren't listening or actually disagree. I want to make sure you've actually looked at Mac's ISO and looked through their SVS posts, because right now I kind of think maybe you haven't and are instead choosing to let you current feelings of Mac tell you to defend him. Look through his ISO, ctrl+f SVS, quote the reasons for his SVS read, which should hold up to BASIC standards, let alone my standards.

Please do me this favor.

I'm done being told I haven't read. I have read. You are talking past my entire response here which is that vibe reads are FUCKING FINE.

Quote the posts then. What reasons? WHAT REASONS?

what reasons? I don't see them. I just want to see them. I don't.

Sorry, I am frustrated and did indeed read past this post. I politely disagree that at this stage in the venture vibe reads from Mac are okay.

Vibe reads are too easy for wolves to hide behind. And if Mac only vibe-read SVS, they could have just said so when I pushed them on it. Instead they told me to tell them what i disagree with.

Ergo, Mac would only TELL ME TO SAY WHAT I DISAGREED WITH if Mac was trying to put up the pretense that Mac actually had reasons. Mac isn't claiming vibe reads here, Mac is claiming reasons, but their ISO doesn't back it up.

He probably assumed it was more clear in his iso that he also jived with the reasons Wind and I had for suspecting SVS later. I do stuff like this all the time too, it's a classic townie retrospective memory/mindset assumption or something. Idk I'm probably not explaining it well but I think it is far more likely to come from a town who is sloppy yet confident than a wolf who is faking a progression.

Yeah, this ^

[WindwardAway]

@S~V~S @pyxxy @Dennis the town needs to consolidate today.

Dennis wtf are you?

I really doubt that you, svs and pyxxy are all town
Dennis i probably believe is town but I'm not 100% on it, just mostly there

[WindwardAway]

look they are actively trolling me by continuously pinging Dennis and ignoring me

I'm not ignoring you but I'm getting AWFULLY concerned that young Dennis hasn't been around during any of this when he's usually online 24/7.

Would wolf!Dennis do the thing where he publicly outs his read that you might be a town cop greenchecking nutella in the thread?

[WindwardAway]

I can't believe I have to live in a universe where I get to be griefed by Seanzie for no explain and he is totally fine with Kate and svs townreading each other while ignoring my pleas for them to explain lol

Mac when have you ever needed me to explain a read on svs? And when have I ever been wrong? NEVER.

Shes civ. I know her, KNOW her. For 15 fucking years. She is not bad here. She's fighting, she's firey, and uninhibited. She called out nutella with no fear. She's civ.

Then lets vote wind amirite

If you flip me today you're just gonna go to svs tomorrow and waste a second day trying to flip her because I'm town
And if for some reason your dichotomy is wrong then two villagers will die in a row
I'm thoroughly convinced youre town, and I'm 95% convinced svs is scum, but there's a small chance I'm wrong if Kate is town and right for whatever meta reasons she isn't giving.

[WindwardAway]

:3 I am so silly and happy to be here with you all !!! Insert colon three emoticon here

found nutella's wolf teammate! hahahaha got uuuu

mac I swear to god I will policy you

I would vote Mac. I do not get the feeling that they have any desire to lead town, whereas based on how I've been feeling and other people have echoed, we are lacking a strong town leader.

ok I just spent a dummy amount of time t rying to search for a quote i'm like SO sure exists but I could not find it in the 2 iso's I thought it would be in and couldn't find by control f'ing like every page of the game so now I'm wondering if i'm delusional. I could have sworn someone(s) made a comment about how the threadstate was ripe for power wolfing earlier

Idr seeing that but i did mention powerwolfing I think around the end of D0 of start of D1 and tbh I don't remember why or in what context

[WindwardAway]

Dennis
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Kate
MacDougall
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
WindwardAway

I tried to make a readslist to help me sort my thoughts, but honestly I had a hard time breaking even one person away. I'm not sure what this means.

Just push me today. I don't really care lol

[MacDougall]

looking at these names in isolation I think that wilgy and seanzie are townier than Kate svs and falcon just lil bit

how is wilgy townier than those names. all he has said is yes all game

thats pretty townie if you think about it.

also his reads and votes are pretty fly and dorbs

[WindwardAway]

i dont have to!

I'm sorry that you've had to wolf so many times so recently.

is this an accusation?

sean has been accusing p much everyone

so not rly

I'm trying to figure out why he's throwing out so many scumreads when I'm pretty sure he threw out both scumreads and townreads early on in the last game.

Like at first I thought it was to get reactions out of people, but if Seanzie makes it so obvious that he's doing it, it's not going to get reactions out of people
So i don't understand the purpose of it and I also don't believe he believes all of what he's said.

After the rainbows and sunshine Day Zero, I'm having issues seeing anyone as sinister tbh. Hrm.

Could be Sean is trying to not so much get reactions from people whose names he throws out, but reactions from other people reactions to the suspicion, and to him making it, if that makes sense.

I think it makes sense. Maybe.

Either that or its the classic "throw shit and see what sticks" ploy. So far I''m leaning the first.

That's a fair point

I feel like I'm being counterproductive by further splitting votes but

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I don't have any super good leads, sorry, and I know Seanzie said he isn't playing at the effort level he put into champs practice, but "vibes" or "gut" or whatever says he feels a bit off, not based on activity (it's a holiday weekend, people be busy) but just that his posts feel lacking in solving energy. And I don't think I'm the only one who noticed this.

tee hee lily said I was mafia and voted me ergo died to frame me and it was nutella who did it

svs is just wolfish @Kate agrees

Seanzie is just spewed woof by Nutella tee hee

Other way around, frand.

You're spewing nutella wolf? Lol

Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Honestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.

I'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.

these are the posts I can see why you would not really like them. but do you think she is using your self-provided reasoning for playing differently against you as an opportunistic endeavor? or that she agrees that you are playing differently and can't reconcile that with how she knows town sean can play?

please hold. I have more thoughts on other posts. your call is important to us.

I am not sure and don't care what WWA's endgoal is atp, I just want them to not push me over things that I should not be pushed for. Can you explain to them that what they are seeing is not necessarily indicative of scum!Seanzie?

I have felt like their push on me has been less than genuine, but it is difficult to judge until I see how they react when others tell them they are wrong.

Yes, and?
Did anyone come in and tell me explicitly, "don't push Seanzie I think they're town"?
No, and I kept gunning for you for quite a while. I don't need to ask people to give reads because that's like pulling teeth. If they disagree they can voice it loudly and it will catch my attention. But nobody said anything, which I found interesting because multiple people said "yeah I'd be fine with yeeting Seanzie" or something to that effect yesterday. And suddenly all of those reads went silent, which could be indicative either way, but nobody stepped up to defend you.
And no, I don't think that makes you a wolf, especially not after multiple other posts i read later that now have me convinced you're town (including your reaction to my push on you), but why are you honed in specifically on me and not the people who had opinions on you yesterday and haven't said anything about you today? Imo you should be looking there. I don't have the focus or energy to look there because I don't feel like mining through isos when I don't remember who said what.

[WindwardAway]

I have had a quiet Sean/Wind dichotomy rolling around since mid d1. Idr why but it feels right

I'm perfectly fine with doming Seanzie if you want us to be wagons for today
If Sean actually flips town then I'll just suck it and flip tomorrow but I genuinely do not get why I should think he's town

Vibing is fun and solving is fun but I'm just sitting on a wolf!Seanzie take and not really solving any further, I'm completely aware of that and frankly I'm fine with doing so

That's also my thought but idk how confident I am in it, probably less than you

hmmm

Oh thanks for reminding me lily flipped town
I was thinking one of those two names was gonna flip wolf with Seanzie
So I guess I'll look at neon again if Seanzie flips wolf which he probably will, if he doesn't, oh well

Would you look at neon if seanzie flips town though bc spoiler I definitely would

I would look at Neon regardless of Seanzie's flip tbh but especially if Seanzie flips town

Actually maybe I retract the "especially if Seanzie flips town" part
Neon was in my PoE anyway

Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Honestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.

I'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.

I meantioned in Champs practice that I was playing in a specific way, I mentioned here that I was playing Champs practice in a specific way, at yet you don't bother to verify this at all and instead scumread me for percieved differences without being willing to reconsider? What am I to make of that?

One of your early "differences" was that in Champs practice I did both scumreads and townreads early. It actually use to be a scumtell for me to state townreads, and I still often don't bother to townhunt as town, so your understanding of me is way off, and you have plenty of people in the thread that know me better than you do to help shape your understanding.

Yes I do, and other people (nutella) also said you're not towny so it verifies my opinion.
Idc, I'll happily thunderdome you today.

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

What did you see?

A very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!Seanzie
So congrats, that's a point in your favor

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Tell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.

This is 100% true I was completely not gonna bother trying to find any towny posts by you cause I hadn't seen any up to that point but I've seen one or two now

Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

What did you see?

A very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!Seanzie
So congrats, that's a point in your favor

... everything you just said actually usually more describes my scum play.

My normal town modus operandi is to cover myself with large amounts of fresh meat, and then stand in the middle of a field yelling, and then look around at everyone to see who is 1. wolf taking the bait, 2. town genuinely just hungry for steak, 3. wolves shying away from me in weird ways because they know I'm trying to bait then, and 4. town shying away from me because they know they can watch and find people who satisfy 1 and 3 around me.

It is not reasonably structured, but it is effective.

Yes, but the reaction you had to my tunneling you is decently convincing. I like reading people off of direct interaction if I don't have enough evidence otherwise. I'll push and I'll be argumentative if I think it's going to net me a solid read by the time I'm done.

I might be a little biased here but I generally get the idea that wwa is not only:
1) making a read that probably makes sense to someone who doesnt play with you often
2) making it obvious and well known she is sr'ing you to the point of considering thunderdoming with you at various points
3) acknowledges that the read was stubborn but shared it anyway
4) includes other reads like on neon that she establishes are separate from you
5) sees a post that reminds her of the town sean she has seen and then changes her read

so unless the post(s) she tr'd you for are ones you don't believe she should tr you for, then where is your biggest issue? I read the tone as really genuine because she chose to make the arguments against you relentlessly while also realizing it didn't really put her in a good light. and even put a pretty big spotlight on you two. what good does it bring a wolf who was in a comfortable position to want to thunderdome in that scenario? I don't think (and i absolutely could be wrong here, i;ve only played with wwa like no more than t wice) that wwa would make a big gambit like that - for reasons I can't even begin to comprehend either

I'm gonna be completely honest and say I don't remember why Neon was in my PoE
I said that because I remembered suddenly moving her to my PoE around the end of D1 but I don't remember why I did that
And her posts were OK in response to that so I'm less interested in her now

[WindwardAway]

:3 I am so silly and happy to be here with you all !!! Insert colon three emoticon here

found nutella's wolf teammate! hahahaha got uuuu

mac I swear to god I will policy you

I would vote Mac. I do not get the feeling that they have any desire to lead town, whereas based on how I've been feeling and other people have echoed, we are lacking a strong town leader.

ok I just spent a dummy amount of time t rying to search for a quote i'm like SO sure exists but I could not find it in the 2 iso's I thought it would be in and couldn't find by control f'ing like every page of the game so now I'm wondering if i'm delusional. I could have sworn someone(s) made a comment about how the threadstate was ripe for power wolfing earlier

Idr seeing that but i did mention powerwolfing I think around the end of D0 of start of D1 and tbh I don't remember why or in what context

I meant end of D1 or start of D2
Sorry, I mixed up the days since D0 blended into D1 lol

[MacDougall]

nah nah neon is wolfy as lol