The Syndicate

Ohh, I wanna play! Can I have a tarot reading?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:31 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:01 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:57 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:10 pm I am flavourless town. Behold ye mighty and despair
Okey, Falcon is town.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:56 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:28 pm

Oh, well I do have a job interview on Monday at a new company I'm excited about, maybe that's what the change is
[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Interesting progression
Yup, what do u think of that?
I don't think you believe it
I dont "believe" what?
I don't think you believe I'm scum.

I don't like Falcon's responses to a clearly non-serious vote.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:31 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:01 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:57 pm

Interesting progression
Yup, what do u think of that?
I don't think you believe it
I dont "believe" what?
I don't think you believe I'm scum.
I don't like Falcon's responses to a clearly non-serious vote.
Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?

He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:31 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:01 pm

I don't think you believe it
I dont "believe" what?
I don't think you believe I'm scum.
I don't like Falcon's responses to a clearly non-serious vote.
Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?
He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.
I said I didn't believe he thought I was scum, his response to that def pings me, not gonna lie. I don't feel he's approached the vote as tho he were joking, including his follow up to my response.

Do you usually interpret naked early D1 votes as super serious?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:31 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:01 pm

I don't think you believe it
I dont "believe" what?
I don't think you believe I'm scum.
I don't like Falcon's responses to a clearly non-serious vote.
Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?
He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.
Hi, flame-fanner. That's what qualifies as "very defensive" these days? Looks casual af to me.

If you say so... Falcon looks mighty uncomfortable given the context in that exchange if you ask me though.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:31 pm

I don't think you believe I'm scum.
I don't like Falcon's responses to a clearly non-serious vote.
Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?
He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.
Hi, flame-fanner. That's what qualifies as "very defensive" these days? Looks casual af to me.
If you say so... Falcon looks mighty uncomfortable given the context in that exchange if you ask me though.
Well if you believe that, then by all means pursue it. How do you read Samusamu's follow up? Can you understand what he's trying to say?

I could be wrong, but I think he is saying his vote was a reaction test and that you didn't react well, which I agree with.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:33 pm Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

What looks wolfy from Samu?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:38 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:40 pm

Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?
He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.
Hi, flame-fanner. That's what qualifies as "very defensive" these days? Looks casual af to me.
If you say so... Falcon looks mighty uncomfortable given the context in that exchange if you ask me though.
Well if you believe that, then by all means pursue it. How do you read Samusamu's follow up? Can you understand what he's trying to say?
I could be wrong, but I think he is saying his vote was a reaction test and that you didn't react well, which I agree with.
A reaction test is somewhat different than a joke vote, wouldn't you say?

Sure, I agree.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:28 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:37 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:33 pm Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways
What looks wolfy from Samu?
What looks Townie from Samu? ignoring that Falcon interaction that you seem to make AI for Samu.

I don't remember anything from Samu other than that interaction, so idk how to answer this question.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:35 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:15 pm I think it’s important to note that while Sean (-) Sam
Sam (-) Sean flipping doesn’t entirely make it W/W I do see it as a probably.
I can also see either of the 3 as scum buddies or solo scum V 2 Town.
Congratulations, this is the first time I've seen someone make a salad with only two people.

What exactly is a salad? I think someone explained it to me once, but I don't really get it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:00 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:12 pm The other 6 Princes of Hell are Satan, Lucifer, Leviathon, Mammon, Belphegor & Asmodeus
Did you get that from your scum chat?

No, I recently watched Constantine and then went deep into Wiki on some demonology stuff.
We talkin' Keanu Reeves or Matt Ryan?

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:04 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:42 pm

He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.
Hi, flame-fanner. That's what qualifies as "very defensive" these days? Looks casual af to me.
If you say so... Falcon looks mighty uncomfortable given the context in that exchange if you ask me though.
Well if you believe that, then by all means pursue it. How do you read Samusamu's follow up? Can you understand what he's trying to say?
I could be wrong, but I think he is saying his vote was a reaction test and that you didn't react well, which I agree with.
More than a reaction is a shit test, there is not a good or bad reaction or response to that per se, but i can make reads from that. The result is far to say, falcon is scum, but is something that i really dont like and i will take it in consideration in the progression of falcon's game, cause i dont know falcon and i dont know if it is something normal in his game approach (if anybody know it, it will help me).

So i wanna conclude this topic.

Know there are other interesting things
I don't like this post, this explanation, and most of all, this backstep into a *very reasonable* callout for helpful meta on this strange person you've encountered.

[VOTE: samusamu] aubergine

Why don't you like samu doing something that is very reasonable in your mind?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:04 pm I intended to convey that Samu was trying to sound reasonable, not that I thought it was reasonable.

Okay, that makes more sense.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:31 pm

I don't think you believe I'm scum.
I don't like Falcon's responses to a clearly non-serious vote.
Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?
He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.
I said I didn't believe he thought I was scum, his response to that def pings me, not gonna lie. I don't feel he's approached the vote as tho he were joking, including his follow up to my response.
Do you usually interpret naked early D1 votes as super serious?
I definitely take naked early D1 votes from players I have no experience/rapport with seriously, yes.

When do you take votes seriously?

It depends on context. Early D1 votes are rarely permanent and are often just RVS or reaction tests, so unless it is very clear someone is placing a vote they are adamant about, I rarely take such votes seriously.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:31 pm why not take votes seriously though?

I mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.

Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:25 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:16 am ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.
Yeah, but here's the thing...he's called out D1 voting and early play already as not being something to build legit reads on, right?

So why is he taking these early interactions so seriously himself and framing it "1 of these 3 is Maf"? Seems contradictory to his earlier stance, no?

His "don't wanna hit wrong" is total bullshit, that is not a townie mindset at all.

Pffft, real town obviously never wanna hit wrong, but its D1! Nobody is close to getting hit yet, and even if we were...its D1, hitting wrong happens.

He def seems a flame fanner fo sho.

Do you find someone contradicting themselves particularly AI?

I agree with you about the "don't wanna hit wrong" thing though, it feels like he doesn't want responsibility for whatever happens.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:00 am In other news, this appears to not be the long-awaited game where I see a scum seanzie. I'm ok with this.

Why do you TR me?

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:05 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:33 pm Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

So you think that two mafia members decided to have a go at each other and failed miserably?
It’s a possible, remember my last scum game with Tony?

I do very much remember, but that doesn't make it a common nor easy occurrence.
It also doesn’t mean it should be ruled out.
It should be considered NAI.
Simple as that!

Uh, what? It shouldn't be ruled out, but it is NAI?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:23 pm I’m honestly still trying to comprehend what the first paragraph says, honestly this seems very poorly writen.
Either this guy has problems typing what they say or they are just not being genuine here.
Because this legit looks like it was a thrown together response with no heart given into it.
While I understand what is being said and know a town can think like this, I just can’t comprehend why they wrote it like this.

I believe English is not Samu's primary language.

Agreed, and I think some people have been scumreading him for it (or I guess more accurately scumreading him because some of his posts might be slightly hard to make sense of if you aren't used to reading ESL writing a lot), and I think that is a very bad reason to scumread someone.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:16 am I think I’ll vote myself and see what happens.

You say that Gavial is a crocodilia, but your actions clearly suggest they are actually a subspecies of the Marmot.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:22 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Why are you voting Alison?

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:22 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Why are you voting Alison?
Maybe it has something to do with their push on me and defence on both Samu and Falcon.
But an elaboration would be necessary I’d agree.

Maybe you should let Urist speak for themselves.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:22 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Why are you voting Alison?
I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:31 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:22 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Why are you voting Alison?
Maybe it has something to do with their push on me and defence on both Samu and Falcon.
But an elaboration would be necessary I’d agree.
Maybe you should let Urist speak for themselves.
That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.

The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:00 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:31 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:22 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Why are you voting Alison?
Maybe it has something to do with their push on me and defence on both Samu and Falcon.
But an elaboration would be necessary I’d agree.
Maybe you should let Urist speak for themselves.
That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.
The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.
Well what else would someone SR Alison for?
Tarot Cards?
Being named “Alison”?

Is this serious? Like... I asked Urist a question to develop my read on Urist. You butting in prevented me from doing that. Who knows what he would have said if you didn't butt in first. Maybe he would have given the same answer, maybe he would have fumbled for a good answer, maybe he wouldn't have answered at all. We'll never know now. You are free to share your thoughts, but I kindly ask that you don't answer questions that I've directed at someone for them. Let them explain themselves.

@Gavial, what are your thoughts on Urist right now?

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:22 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Why are you voting Alison?
I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
I think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:00 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:31 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:22 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Why are you voting Alison?
Maybe it has something to do with their push on me and defence on both Samu and Falcon.
But an elaboration would be necessary I’d agree.
Maybe you should let Urist speak for themselves.
That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.
The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.
If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.

If Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:34 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:22 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Why are you voting Alison?
I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
I think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:00 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:31 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:30 am

Maybe it has something to do with their push on me and defence on both Samu and Falcon.
But an elaboration would be necessary I’d agree.
Maybe you should let Urist speak for themselves.
That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.
The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.
If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.
If Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?
Nothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.

So, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:43 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:35 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:34 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 am

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
I think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:00 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am

That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.
The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.
If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.
If Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?
Nothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.
So, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
Yes, I realize I'm wrong on at least one of those things. I don't see how that's scummy.

It isn't scummy to consider multiple conflicting worlds, but I don't see you trying to figure out what world we are in. You seem to just want to give out wolf reads.

Do you have any town reads right now?

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:22 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Why are you voting Alison?
I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
Im not understanding this post, can u rewrite?

The first sentence is asking why Urist is speaking strangely (he is saying stuff like "I can't speak for Urist, but...", but he is Urist.)

The second sentence is asking Urist to elaborate on what he is thinking in regards to Alison and you.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:16 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:03 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:17 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:28 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:09 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:48 pm

You think I'm a wolf because I think Samu is suspect?
Not necessarily, but you're someone that deserves scrutiny. What don't you like about Samu's explanation exactly?
I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.
My vote isnt a joke vote.

And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.

I clearly say that.

You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:26 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:38 pm I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.
“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.
Sorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.

This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.

All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.

You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.

There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine
Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.

@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.

Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.
I dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.

Im claryfing to you that im not that type of person

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:22 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Why are you voting Alison?
I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
Im not understanding this post, can u rewrite?
How do you not understand?
Do you not know what LHF means?
It means Low Hanging Fruit, it means weak/new/bad/etc town.
He asked if the working theory was Alison defending you by calling you “Easy ML”/“LHF”. (Assuming your both Wolves)

If you still can’t understand this then I don’t know what to tell yeah Bud.

Dude, Samu is ESL, this has been mentioned in the thread. I don't think you should berate him for not understanding a post. Especially since words like "quirked" are extremely uncommon, and the way this word is used in mafia doesn't really fit the textbook definition. This post comes off as overly hostile to someone just asking for clarification.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:21 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:16 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:03 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:17 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:28 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:09 pm

I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.
My vote isnt a joke vote.

And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.

I clearly say that.

You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:26 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:13 pm

“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.
Sorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.

This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.

All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.

You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.

There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine
Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.

@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.

Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.
I dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.

Im claryfing to you that im not that type of person

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:55 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:29 am

Why are you voting Alison?
I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.
Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?
Im not understanding this post, can u rewrite?
How do you not understand?
Do you not know what LHF means?
It means Low Hanging Fruit, it means weak/new/bad/etc town.
He asked if the working theory was Alison defending you by calling you “Easy ML”/“LHF”. (Assuming your both Wolves)

If you still can’t understand this then I don’t know what to tell yeah Bud.
Dude, Samu is ESL, this has been mentioned in the thread. I don't think you should berate him for not understanding a post. Especially since words like "quirked" are extremely uncommon, and the way this word is used in mafia doesn't really fit the textbook definition. This post comes off as overly hostile to someone just asking for clarification.
The first part wasn’t meant to be aggressive it was meant as it is. A question.

"How do you not understand?" Is not a real question. It is rhetorical, and hostile. If you didn't mean it that way, then fine, but that is how it comes off.

Gavial has more posts that the 9 lowest posters all added together. Either Gavial is powerwolfing like crazy right now, or the wolves are comfortable sitting by idly as he dominates the thread and people react mostly just to him. I am inclined to think the latter.

@JessieKruger, @DaughterOfOmega, @TonyStarkPrime, @Urist, @Alison, come play and give some thoughts!

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:35 pm Most confident on my 3 Top Town and my 2 Top Scum.
Rest might be scrambled.

Why the read on Marmot?

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:38 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:37 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:35 pm Most confident on my 3 Top Town and my 2 Top Scum.
Rest might be scrambled.
Why the read on Marmot?
I’ve explained this before.
Genuineness

Sorry, when you have 155 posts in the first 24 hours, you'll have to excuse me if I don't remember everything you've said.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:27 pm Gavial has more posts that the 9 lowest posters all added together. Either Gavial is powerwolfing like crazy right now, or the wolves are comfortable sitting by idly as he dominates the thread and people react mostly just to him. I am inclined to think the latter.

@JessieKruger, @DaughterOfOmega, @TonyStarkPrime, @Urist, @Alison, come play and give some thoughts!
having a lot of posts is not power wolfing

What is power wolfing then? I've never seen a definition, only kind of inferred one via context.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:08 pm The only powerwolfing Gavial is doing is effectively making me want to play less

What is Gavial doing? There have been a few posts of his that have irked me a bit, but you seem to be bothered to a pretty big degree and I don't understand why.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:13 pmAlison town

Care to explain your thoughts on this and DoO?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:21 pm Honestly I hate Urist saying "you have my permission to push Ali" that stuff is so weird to me. I don't see a town talking like that.

Now that you mention it, that whole post looks bad. Like, (paraphrased) "I don't agree with what you're saying about Alison's meta, but I'm going to encourage you to vote Alison for meta reasons anyways" does not look good.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:15 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:16 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:51 pm If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game
Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?
I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.
tbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.

Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.

You "want" to wolf read her? Are you wolf reading her, or no?

There is a lot of AtE coming from DoO recently, and while I usually try not to read into AtE, I'm going to guess DoO is just town here. I think most people are wary of doing this much AtE as scum, since if you do that once, you can't ever get emotional in thread again without being scumread for it. It also sounds like there is meta reason to doubt she would do this as scum. I also liked how when I pinged her to come in and give more content, she actually did come and engage (not just the AtEs, but some actual content as well). That last point is a bit weaker because a wolf could feel compelled to engage based on being pinged, but it still looks good IMO.

So the game is something like this. The middle group is only vaguely sorted.

Gavial

Samusamu
Doom

LC
Marmot
Hollowkatt
Boknows
Alison

Esooa
Tsp

Falcon
Urist

Dunia - literally a demon

JessieKruger - No posts, unsorted.

Seanzie

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:52 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:50 am So the game is something like this. The middle group is only vaguely sorted.

Gavial

Samusamu
Doom

LC
Marmot
Hollowkatt
Boknows
Alison

Esooa
Tsp

Falcon
Urist

Dunia - literally a demon

JessieKruger - No posts, unsorted.

Seanzie
Esooa and tsp are there for being low posters?

The main top up of your list are active players, and the main top down of that list are non actives.

At this point with this lists you are giving a lot of readings that I don't where you get them from or why you think them.

No. Esooa is there because she secret-voted DoO, and again secret-voted Marmot. When pressed about DoO, her only response was that she wanted to, which doesn't look good.

TSP is there because when I called out the low posters, he came in and responded, but all he had to say was that I was using the phrase "power wolfing" wrong, so it kind of felt wolfy like he felt obligated to respond to not look shady, but didn't actually have any real content to add.

I don't get what you are saying about active and non-active. You and Gavial have been pretty active, but DoO has been a low poster and Falcon has been a pretty high poster.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:50 am So the game is something like this. The middle group is only vaguely sorted.

Gavial

Samusamu
Doom

LC
Marmot
Hollowkatt
Boknows
Alison

Esooa
Tsp

Falcon
Urist

Dunia - literally a demon

JessieKruger - No posts, unsorted.

Seanzie
Have you even mentioned falcon, tsp or esooa before now?

Yes, I talked about Falcon quite a bit back when he was around. Samu voted him very early, and Falcon looked really uncomfortable with the vote, OMGUSed Samu, and took it way more seriously than I think town would take an early D1 vote. TSP and Esooa I don't think I've said much about, and tbh my reads on them are rather weak, which is why I have a gap between them and the lower group (your group:P).

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:15 am Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.

[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

OoO!

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:21 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:18 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:15 am Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.

[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine
OoO!
Riveting, I know.

It is! Care to share your thoughts on me? It seems kind of... convenient... that I am now top scum for you right after I put out a readslist with your name at the bottom.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:30 am I'll reread falcons iso in a bit but I don't think he's as towny as he normally is (which is bad)

I'll vote bk for now

I thought people were calling dunia a devil for memes idk what's up with her

also lol at people thinking I was annoyed for being "called out" on my vote

Why were you voting Marmot a little while ago?

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:02 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:57 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:20 am I don’t know I’m conflicted between DOOM and Falcon.
My votes prob gonna land on one of them today.
I can buy that falcon have disappear and i dont like his initial post, i can put my vote there to the end of the day.

What is the main reason for a vote in doom?

Refusal to answer question and they still have refused.

Do you think scum!DoO would just flat out refuse to engage with you like she has?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:24 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:22 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:20 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:58 am @BoKnows if u are town i need to now before eod where u gonna put your vote.
give me a few. hungover
Before you do, I want you to think about your read on Falcon and then share it with the class.
last I've seen falcon is in his scum range

saying someone is in their scumrange isn't exactly a read. Do you think he is scum, or no?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:43 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:30 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:28 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:38 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:15 am Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.

[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine
Care to elaborate?
I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic
Yet Samu and Me seemed to bother you more at that time.
I'm town and my reads change as the game progresses. Why do you seem intent on keeping it in the past?
And your reads til the moment are?
You, LC & I are town reads.

Gav & Seanzie are scum reads.

Lotta null beyond that

Are all your reads based on that one interaction? You claim that your reads change as the game progresses, but I don't really see any evidence of that. Have you read the full thread?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:43 pm Where's your head at @BoKnows? I don't know where you stand on a lot of players. Afaik, you have a scumread of falcon and gavial, and a townread of sean.
Yeah I'm not too certain about falcon but Gavial just seems scummy to me. Sean is still giving me town vibes. Alison's lack of presence is also worth noting IMO. I'm a few pages behind, I'll start skimming through them and give you a better answer.

I think Alison's excuse is valid enough that I'm okay putting her aside at least for today.

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