Beelzebub The Benign scum win

[Gavial]

Maybe it's a culture thing? I generally expect wolves to have very basic interactions with each other, not major disagreements

The interactions would either involve Distancing/Defending/Pressuring/Mentioning/Sharing

[Gavial]

Those that don’t seem that concerned about the other are usually never Wolves together.

[Gavial]

From my experience at least.

[Gavial]

I think I’ll vote myself and see what happens.

[Gavial]

Probably going to end my vote today between Falcon/Samu/Sean/BK maybe Alison but I don’t know.

[Gavial]

Anyway, it’s past midnight and I need to sleep.
GN!

[Samusamu]

I am flavourless town. Behold ye mighty and despair

Okey, Falcon is town.

I'm game

Oh dear. The flavor doesn't tell us much, but "death" can only be a scum flavor, and it's associated with fallen angels, too.

Oh, well I do have a job interview on Monday at a new company I'm excited about, maybe that's what the change is

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Interesting progression

Eh I don’t really wanna say what I feel because it could hurt the game state, but I will say I do think both these players are important to look at.

How does withholding information hurt the game state?

I like this person

[Samusamu]

I think it’s important to note that while Sean (-) Sam
Sam (-) Sean flipping doesn’t entirely make it W/W I do see it as a probably.
I can also see either of the 3 as scum buddies or solo scum V 2 Town.

Thats a big conclusion in comparision with the arguments given at this point, elaborate this deeply or i will begin to think that u came to the thread with the intention to put mud.

[Samusamu]

Interesting progression

Yup, what do u think of that?

I don't think you believe it

I dont "believe" what?

I don't think you believe I'm scum.

Thats weird dude, are u assuming that i have read something scumness from your post without thinking that i reacted voting to that post cause i dont like how is writted that specific post without thinking that you are scum but i do it to see how do u react?

Well, your response have been giving me a scum lean cause i voted u, thats it, i my vote is well fundamented now.

A town in this moment of the game prob will look for my thoughts to understand why i do that or if i really read something more than he doesnt also if there ir a problem with what is said, a scum is going to take advantage of the fact that I have contradicted myself in a short space of time to put a scumlean on me, that's what I think.

I’m honestly still trying to comprehend what the first paragraph says, honestly this seems very poorly writen.
Either this guy has problems typing what they say or they are just not being genuine here.
Because this legit looks like it was a thrown together response with no heart given into it.
While I understand what is being said and know a town can think like this, I just can’t comprehend why they wrote it like this.

Dude, im not native, im spanish, and i dont use to write in english so its normal that i sound strange cause i have errors in grammar and also im trying translate whay i think in a simple way but isnt easy.

Thats all.

[Samusamu]

This person is talking a lot

Yes.

[Samusamu]

Oh, what a coincidence, LC wants to join the club too.

You think I'm a wolf because I think Samu is suspect?

Not necessarily, but you're someone that deserves scrutiny. What don't you like about Samu's explanation exactly?

I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.

My vote isnt a joke vote.

And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.

I clearly say that.

You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.

[Samusamu]

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.

Sorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.

This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.

All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.

You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.

There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

[Samusamu]

Like I’m not going to deny it.
They could be TvT I've seen it.
But it’s just a possible to be TVS.
And not entirely far off to be SvS.

My point is nothing is AI as of now.

Hummm

[Samusamu]

Gavial is doing way too much right now. extreme wolf vibes

His wall posts look trippy on mushrooms right now

Thats all u have to say about that?

[Samusamu]

As of right now the only scum team that would be to the extent of LolCatting would be Falcon/Samu/Alison/BK
Which I really don’t wanna believe is the case here.

Why ?

[Samusamu]

I was gonna say there could be no wolves at all and they are just lying in the back but then I realize that TSP/Urist/Doom/Jessie as the team is kinda dumb.

[Samusamu]

I think I’ll vote myself and see what happens.

Probably going to end my vote today between Falcon/Samu/Sean/BK maybe Alison but I don’t know.

What is the reason of these two post in a row?

[Samusamu]

Town bk, esoo, alison and sean

Marmot gives me some good vibes.

[Urist]

Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

What looks wolfy from Samu?

Samu is talking about nothing, the interaction is forced.

[BoKnows]

Lions' fans need all the help they can get.

Goff lol.

[Urist]

Urist looks pretty oppurtunistuc pouncing on Samu's and my interaction, calls us a w/w team before announcing he won't be back for awhile.


How do others see that?

I don't think it was opportunistic at all. I can't speak for Urist but I think he just wanted to comment on the main thing that jumped out at him before going awol for a bit.

[Samusamu]

Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

What looks wolfy from Samu?

Samu is talking about nothing, the interaction is forced.

No dude, im talking about this post

I have decided that I will make all my reads this game with a tarot deck. Who wants to go first?

I'm game

Oh dear. The flavor doesn't tell us much, but "death" can only be a scum flavor, and it's associated with fallen angels, too.

Oh, well I do have a job interview on Monday at a new company I'm excited about, maybe that's what the change is

How is written the response of that and how his tone changed when i voted him cause that post.

If u are not good enough to understand that, just ask, but atm u havent do nothing in this game.

[Esooa]

the people calling gavial scum on page 5 are probably just wrong town cause it's a weird approach for mafia

[Esooa]

that is to say calling gavial scum was towny

[Samusamu]

that is to say calling gavial scum was towny

And what do u think of gavial?

[Esooa]

Hollow my top TR unless you count my Mech one on Esooa.
Also, funny things is. The people that are pushing me aren’t even bothering to vote me but my Top Town is convinced by them and votes me.
Lol ok.

why

[Esooa]

that is to say calling gavial scum was towny

And what do u think of gavial?

not much. He seems okay

[BoKnows]

vote is off of marmot. that was just a joke

[Seanzie]

ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.

Yeah, but here's the thing...he's called out D1 voting and early play already as not being something to build legit reads on, right?


So why is he taking these early interactions so seriously himself and framing it "1 of these 3 is Maf"? Seems contradictory to his earlier stance, no?


His "don't wanna hit wrong" is total bullshit, that is not a townie mindset at all.


Pffft, real town obviously never wanna hit wrong, but its D1! Nobody is close to getting hit yet, and even if we were...its D1, hitting wrong happens.


He def seems a flame fanner fo sho.

Do you find someone contradicting themselves particularly AI?

I agree with you about the "don't wanna hit wrong" thing though, it feels like he doesn't want responsibility for whatever happens.

[Samusamu]

that is to say calling gavial scum was towny

And what do u think of gavial?

not much. He seems okay

And isnt something okey for u?

[DaughterOfOmega]

As of right now I'd kill in the group of Samu/BoKnows/HollowKat'

Don't ask me why, because I don't feel like giving them

[Seanzie]

In other news, this appears to not be the long-awaited game where I see a scum seanzie. I'm ok with this.

Why do you TR me?

[Seanzie]

Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

So you think that two mafia members decided to have a go at each other and failed miserably?

It’s a possible, remember my last scum game with Tony?

I do very much remember, but that doesn't make it a common nor easy occurrence.

It also doesn’t mean it should be ruled out.
It should be considered NAI.
Simple as that!

Uh, what? It shouldn't be ruled out, but it is NAI?

[Esooa]

I think hk, falcon, bk, samusamu are town

town lean lc

[Seanzie]

I’m honestly still trying to comprehend what the first paragraph says, honestly this seems very poorly writen.
Either this guy has problems typing what they say or they are just not being genuine here.
Because this legit looks like it was a thrown together response with no heart given into it.
While I understand what is being said and know a town can think like this, I just can’t comprehend why they wrote it like this.

I believe English is not Samu's primary language.

Agreed, and I think some people have been scumreading him for it (or I guess more accurately scumreading him because some of his posts might be slightly hard to make sense of if you aren't used to reading ESL writing a lot), and I think that is a very bad reason to scumread someone.

[Marmot]

As of right now I'd kill in the group of Samu/BoKnows/HollowKat'

Don't ask me why, because I don't feel like giving them

How about when?

[DaughterOfOmega]

Throw Esooa into scummy as well

[Seanzie]

I think I’ll vote myself and see what happens.

You say that Gavial is a crocodilia, but your actions clearly suggest they are actually a subspecies of the Marmot.

[Gavial]

I think it’s important to note that while Sean (-) Sam
Sam (-) Sean flipping doesn’t entirely make it W/W I do see it as a probably.
I can also see either of the 3 as scum buddies or solo scum V 2 Town.

Thats a big conclusion in comparision with the arguments given at this point, elaborate this deeply or i will begin to think that u came to the thread with the intention to put mud.

How is thinking at least of of you 3 being scum a big conclusion?
And BTW Sean is least likely IMO as I’m more inclined to think it’s BK over Sean.

[Gavial]

One*

[Gavial]

Yup, what do u think of that?

I don't think you believe it

I dont "believe" what?

I don't think you believe I'm scum.

Thats weird dude, are u assuming that i have read something scumness from your post without thinking that i reacted voting to that post cause i dont like how is writted that specific post without thinking that you are scum but i do it to see how do u react?

Well, your response have been giving me a scum lean cause i voted u, thats it, i my vote is well fundamented now.

A town in this moment of the game prob will look for my thoughts to understand why i do that or if i really read something more than he doesnt also if there ir a problem with what is said, a scum is going to take advantage of the fact that I have contradicted myself in a short space of time to put a scumlean on me, that's what I think.

I’m honestly still trying to comprehend what the first paragraph says, honestly this seems very poorly writen.
Either this guy has problems typing what they say or they are just not being genuine here.
Because this legit looks like it was a thrown together response with no heart given into it.
While I understand what is being said and know a town can think like this, I just can’t comprehend why they wrote it like this.

Dude, im not native, im spanish, and i dont use to write in english so its normal that i sound strange cause i have errors in grammar and also im trying translate whay i think in a simple way but isnt easy.

Thats all.

Ok then yeah then that would justify it but I still don’t like your post regarding Falcon’s first post. Although it’s also something I wouldn’t push for either so I’ll just continue watching you.

[Gavial]

Oh, what a coincidence, LC wants to join the club too.

You think I'm a wolf because I think Samu is suspect?

Not necessarily, but you're someone that deserves scrutiny. What don't you like about Samu's explanation exactly?

I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.

My vote isnt a joke vote.

And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.

I clearly say that.

You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.

Sorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.

This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.

All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.

You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.

There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.

@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.

Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.

[Gavial]

If the team is BK/Samu/Falcon/Alison
And I really REALLY wanna hope it’s not.
I’m PLing all 4 of you in any game I play with either of you 4.
I do enjoy playing with Falcon but that’s just a bad team play.

[Esooa]

who are you saying is scum gavial

[Gavial]

I mean if it helps, @falcon45ca you’d be the last I’d PL in that case.

[Gavial]

who are you saying is scum gavial

I have been getting scum vibes from BK/Samu/Falcon.
I haven’t been getting any directly from Alison but as a 4th member of a mafia team and they decided to switch onto me and then the entire mafia push with them is terrible play and not something I wanna see as a mafia team that’s why I’m hoping 1 of my 3 “SR’s” are wrong.

[Gavial]

I put Alison as the scum team I don’t wanna see because with her as the 4th member that’s absolutely horrible play.

[Urist]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[DaughterOfOmega]

Gavial doing good work. I like them

[Urist]

the people calling gavial scum on page 5 are probably just wrong town cause it's a weird approach for mafia

Disagree with this