The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:26 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:21 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:33 pm I trust Long Con less than I did when the day began. Whatever doubts I have stem from here. Someone argue with those points while I am in class.

Wow thats weird

Irrelevant. Am I bad?

Who gives a fuck lol

Civilians

Hey this is an A-B conversation so if you could C your way out that would be super.

DharmaHelper is trying to repress my right to free speech in this thread! Get him out of here! #DontTreadOnMe

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:48 pm I'm humoring you by even addressing the point at all. By even bothering to dismiss it.

The poll was tied/tight, Mac. Why would I maintain my vote on Long Con, and not build or pursue any other cases/suspects, if it meant that Scum DH could A) Keep his cred and B) Keep the lynch stop.

Who's bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:50 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:48 pm I'm humoring you by even addressing the point at all. By even bothering to dismiss it.

The poll was tied/tight, Mac. Why would I maintain my vote on Long Con, and not build or pursue any other cases/suspects, if it meant that Scum DH could A) Keep his cred and B) Keep the lynch stop.

Who's bad?

IDK, I've been either busy today or fired up fuckin' with Mac and Jay, so tomorrow I'll have to dig into the thread again and bus another one of my teammates for no reason lol got em.

Gimme two names off the top of your head.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:59 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:50 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:48 pm I'm humoring you by even addressing the point at all. By even bothering to dismiss it.

The poll was tied/tight, Mac. Why would I maintain my vote on Long Con, and not build or pursue any other cases/suspects, if it meant that Scum DH could A) Keep his cred and B) Keep the lynch stop.

Who's bad?

IDK, I've been either busy today or fired up fuckin' with Mac and Jay, so tomorrow I'll have to dig into the thread again and bus another one of my teammates for no reason lol got em.

Gimme two names off the top of your head.

Beauregard and Thadius.

A god tier mafia player should be able to come up with a suspect or two on the 4th day of a game.

I read DH as town, but I also wasn't around for the whole LC lynch thing. If I have a reason to suspect him right now, it's that he refused to talk about his current reads a few moments ago, but whatever, I'll see what he does tomorrow.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:32 pm I liked that part where Sloonei, Mac and Jay were like “Aha! DH is bad!” and then Jay and Sloonei ditched the idea. That was a good read.

Hey now, I never said he was bad. I just wanted to see how he’d respond to certain things.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:39 pm i didn't read far enough for a name. i read the post in bed and shit my pants.

I recommend getting out of bed and probably also washing the sheets.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] what’s your take on Speedchuck vs. Quin?

Scum using a diricrawl between timmer and LC makes sense in theory. But then we’d need to answer how LC ended up dead, I think.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:52 pm @MacDougall what’s your take on Speedchuck vs. Quin?

speedchuck is bad anyway so who cares?

I do. Why’s speedchuck bad? What do you think happened last night?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:09 pm Also entirely plausible that speedchuck and kara are both full of poop and there is no ??? -- this is all made up CARP

Hella ballsy of the two of them to draw themselves together like this if so.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:35 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:29 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:28 pm bad
good
good
good

Please build me a full mafia team compatible with these reads.

no thanks

........why not


you and sloonei are bad

Let’s not besmirch my good name here.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:44 pm Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

Why am I not here?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:51 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:44 pm Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

Why am I not here?

Why would you be on there?

Because I might be bad.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:54 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:51 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:44 pm Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

Why am I not here?

Why would you be on there?

Because I might be bad.

You could also be good.

You apparently think I am. Why?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:59 pm not playing 20 questions about why i couldn't put everyone inside a 6 person PoE pool, thank you very much.

It’s just the one question actually.

Looking at the timeline of claims this day phase:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:46 pm Hey so why did the Mafia not kill Timmer?

Real question is: Why did Timmer not kill Long Con?

Speedchuck hints at inside knowledge in his first post of the day, ~45 minutes in.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?

Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

States it more clearly in his next post, though he still hasn't declared whether he tracked or watched here. I don't remember if there even is any sort of tracking ability in this game, so this may not matter. But Quin's asking.

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?

Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.

Timmer confirms speedchuck's assertion that he (timmer) did not kill Long Con. This would at least seem to suggest that speedchuck did in fact have access to some sort of information about timmer and/or Long Con.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?

Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.

god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus

And then along comes Quin's patronus claim. Looking at it in sequence, this claim seems to have the least going for it, but it also seems like the least sensible lie in the bunch. If Quin is scum and lying here, I see no advantage gained here. Sure he can sow confusion, but in doing so he paints a giant target on his back. The urgency of his questions leading up to this also seem to suggest that he was sitting on some sort of information himself.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?

Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.

god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus

Tell me what you did and I'll tell you what I did

well i know what you did and you know what i did so i reckon nah

Quin resists giving the full details of his night action for a little while. This is not a great look.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:35 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:34 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm harry potter and the night of the wasted night actions

WHO DID YOU TARGET

timmer and sloonei you squib now stop hounding me

He finally comes out with it. I haven't commented on my involvement here yet, so I suppose I should say as much as I can here: I have no way of knowing whether or not Quin actually targeted me last night. As for the optics of this claim, it is concerning that it took him so long to get it out. One could speculate that he was weighing his options and trying to come up with the proper lie.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:40 pm Pretty sure Quin is town.

I'm waiting until EOD to vote for INH tho.

Speedchuck said this in the immediate aftermath of the claim shenanigans. Interesting.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:47 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:46 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:45 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:44 pm this only raises more questions

Ask them.

Considering that a vig quite probably murderified LC, I don't want to out everything without thinking about it.

what's screwy about my night action?

You somehow visited LC.

You weren't the only one.

The full claim.

This is messy. On the one hand, Quin's story is less believable and can't be verified by anybody at the moment. On the other, I don't really see what he gains by making any of this up.
And while speedchuck's claim seems to add up, at least as far as timmer is concerned, we also have to deal with [url-http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 17#p493717]poutanko[/url] allegedly IDing Bullzeye/Speedchuck as bad. So there's no clear answer either way here.

Another important factor in all of this is INH's resurrection. Do we think that was an accident, or something the Death Eaters actively conspired toward? If the latter, then they'd be basing their entire strategy for the day around it. The potential for bold and wacky lies would be greater in that case. Speedchuck's claim seems more calculated than Quin's.
If the former, and they were as surprised as the rest of us to see INH back among the living today, then they'd have to improvise their plans for the day. Quin's claim seems like the more improvised of the two.

Juliets claims to have attempted to resurrect Turnip Head last night, but Turnip Head is certifiably not resurrected. Instead we have INH. The presence of [SECRETS] makes it difficult to speculate on what might have happened, but it's unclear from the visible abilities whether or not they could have knowingly redirected a resurrection onto one of their dead partners. It's possible they had a more general redirection which was used on Juliets, and because her ability was targeting a dead player, the pool of potential target changes shifted the dead roster, and INH's name happened to be plucked from there. In any event, what we know is that Juliets' claimed night action did not happen, but that the same action was carried out on a different player who happens to be bad.

All of this is to say that we have a lot of variables and unknowns and this is confusing so it's a good thing we have a confirmed scum to default to today or else we'd all have died of confusion by now. Someone please help.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:07 am If I'm right and Quin is bad, that means the other visitor was prolly a town vig with the elder wand.

Who thinks it's a good idea for me to share that info publicly? Answer me, you who have been pooh-poohing my ??? person.

I'm going to bed.

Depends how much you trust kara.

The two somewhat answerable questions I have coming out of my look at the claims are: 1) What does scum Quin gain by lying about using a patronus on me and timmer?
2) Is there any possible scenario where both speedchuck and Quin are telling the truth?

The unanswerable question is whether or not scum knew INH was coming back.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:30 am I didn't give my full action because I was hesitant about giving out information that wasn't relevant. I went through this already when discussing timmer's Night 1. There was no reason that I should have had to mention Sloonei besides his pestering.

Does naming me hurt in any way?

What kind of information could come out?

The universe bestows on us a great raviolum.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:18 pm Here are the only ways Speed and Quin are both being truthful. Don't look unless you like mechanics talk, which I love dearly.

Spoiler: show

1. Mafia tried to redirect Kara to Sloonei or to Timmer. That redirect hit me instead. (This, of course, depends on whether Imperio has priority over Diricawl or not. Could be that Kara was made to target Sloonei or Timmer with a Diricawl, and the Imperius would have to hit me directly. This is probably not worth asking about, as I consider it unlikely, but go for it if you want to.)
Also Imperio MIGHT have been used to redirect Juliet's Rez, therefore not being able to hit me. (But can you redirect to dead players?)

2. Quin used a patronus on Timmer/Sloonei AND visited Long Con as well. This would require Quin to have a dark arts ability to use on the side. Go figure why he would do all that. Scum anyway, in that case.

3. Mafia has some kind of "piercing redirect" secret. They redirected Sloonei to Long Con because IDK why.

4. Mafia has some kind of "Passive redirect" secret. They redirected all Timmer's visitors to Long Con because IDK why.

5. More dark arts secret randomness I guess.

TL;DR Quin is either still bad or the mafia is playing nonsensically with secret abilities.

I don’t understand my involvement in #3. Is that a typo, or do you mean to suggest that I targeted Long Con?

I’d be comfortable working with the assumption that Quin, much like his bed, is full of shit, if not for poutanko allegedly having a guilty ID on Speedchuck. Their language in that claim is somewhat ambiguous so I guess it wouldn’t hurt to seek clarification. [mention]poutanko[/mention] did you use divination (or some other ability) to check speedchuck/bullzeye’s alignment?

In double checking the actual name of the ID ability just now, I realized there’s a possible explanation to all this night actuon discrepency that hasn’t been brought up yet, or at least hasn’t been a part of the main conversation: Arresto Momentum.

This spell delays another student’s movement. This will make whatever abilities they use have their effect delayed to the following night.

Is it possible that either one of Quin or speedchuck simply had their night actions pushed back a night, so that what they thought they had done on Night 2 actually came into effect on Night 3?

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:38 pm Hi, guys. I'm lost. I know inh is bad. And I am feeling pretty good about sloonei being bad. Beyond that... iunno at this point.

So this is just to tell you that I'm going to work now and hopefully things will make more sense for me later. I'm sorry I'm not any help.

You arw even more lost than you think, unfortunately. I say this not to be snarky or defensive, but just in a sincere attempt to let you know.

Because I’d tell the truth if I was scum.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:21 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:38 pm Hi, guys. I'm lost. I know inh is bad. And I am feeling pretty good about sloonei being bad. Beyond that... iunno at this point.

So this is just to tell you that I'm going to work now and hopefully things will make more sense for me later. I'm sorry I'm not any help.

You arw even more lost than you think, unfortunately. I say this not to be snarky or defensive, but just in a sincere attempt to let you know.

Because I’d tell the truth if I was scum.

wut

Tell the truth about what?

My alignment. I would telk you all if I was bad. That’s what I’d do, so you can take me at my word when I say otherwise.

An angle that I became vaguely interested in as the day went along, but that I wasn’t able to look into, is people’s attitudes towards all the alleged night shenanigans. Presumably scum would have been less confused about INH in particular, and possibly any of the other claims. I wanted to look closely at how everyone responded to those things but never really got around to it. If anyone feels like picking that up, it’d be cool.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:21 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:38 pm Hi, guys. I'm lost. I know inh is bad. And I am feeling pretty good about sloonei being bad. Beyond that... iunno at this point.

So this is just to tell you that I'm going to work now and hopefully things will make more sense for me later. I'm sorry I'm not any help.

You arw even more lost than you think, unfortunately. I say this not to be snarky or defensive, but just in a sincere attempt to let you know.

Because I’d tell the truth if I was scum.

wut

Tell the truth about what?

My alignment. I would telk you all if I was bad. That’s what I’d do, so you can take me at my word when I say otherwise.

Ah, okay. That's what it sounded like.



What?

it was a sarcastic throwaway line.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:45 pm jay
DH
mac

You live on Jay's nuts so this doesn't surprise me.

It’s where the sorting hat put me

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:46 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:09 pm In double checking the actual name of the ID ability just now, I realized there’s a possible explanation to all this night actuon discrepency that hasn’t been brought up yet, or at least hasn’t been a part of the main conversation: Arresto Momentum.

This spell delays another student’s movement. This will make whatever abilities they use have their effect delayed to the following night.

Is it possible that either one of Quin or speedchuck simply had their night actions pushed back a night, so that what they thought they had done on Night 2 actually came into effect on Night 3?

I didn't do anything night 2.

@Quin Did you visit Long Con night 2?

I also didn't do anything night 2.

Then I’m back to thinking one of you is a no good dirty liar.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:50 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:46 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:15 pm I didn't do anything night 2.

@Quin Did you visit Long Con night 2?

I also didn't do anything night 2.

Ya’ll lazy n shit.

I was... kinda dead night 2.

did bullzeye do anything that you know of?

7-player POE
Quin/Speedchuck - 1 but not both
Colin, because if I'm gonna doubt one of poutanko's IDs, I might as well doubt the other.
Mac
Jack
kara
sprit

Ranking those from least to most suspicious:
Colin
kara
Mac
Speedchuck
Quin
Jack
sprit

I'm still very hung up on Quin and speedchuck. I also still have not done any homework on Jack or Mac, but in the real-time interactions I've seen with them, Mac's sometimes frantic tone strikes me as genuine. Jack's been the opposite of frantic and I can't pin him down anywhere.

I probably don't have time for anything major over the weekend.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:38 pm It all comes down to Phenon Golden.

That's too long ago for my feeble brain, can you help me out here

Golden was the mafia watcher and was called out for not watching outed power roles like cop and vig and otherwise blatantly not using the watcher power (which is possibly the best townie power in mafia) from a town perspective.

Speedchuck similar to this. Why does a town watcher need to watch Long Con, who is going to attract town cop, blocker and vig type roles, which are more helpful for scum to know?

Town watcher should be watching Timmer so the mafia can’t kill or imperio the likely town vig. Town watcher should be watching Juliets so the mafia can’t kill a confirmed townie or imperio her rez. Town watcher should be watching Jay or DH because they have targets on their back. Or even anyone they think could be town that scum might kill.

Speed watched the only player that he’d never catch a scum player killing, the basically outed goon.

This is the most sensible take on all this that i’ve read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:41 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:07 pm ....it's not read
N1 - Bullz
N2 - Colin

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:22 pm Some sort of redirection doesn’t seem like it should be out of the question.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:23 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Lynch him. The mafia rezzed INH and could have shenanigans planned, even if unlikely. They weren’t ready to lose speedchuck today.

What’s the evidence against speed?

Pout says she has a cop check on me.

How did I miss this?

What the hell is this, Sloonei?

My first comment was about the speedchuck/quin conflict. Note my confusion in another post where poutanko responded to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:55 pm My first comment was about the speedchuck/quin conflict. Note my confusion in another post where poutanko responded to me.

You've been around and seen a lot in this game now. Do you still feel hopelessly behind?

No. I have a general pulse, but still not a complete image, and I still don’t have the time to do all the things that I normally would.

I’m just trying to provide pockets of insight whenever and wherever I can. It’d be hopeless for me to try to get a full grasp on this game.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:49 pm I read DH as town, but I also wasn't around for the whole LC lynch thing. If I have a reason to suspect him right now, it's that he refused to talk about his current reads a few moments ago, but whatever, I'll see what he does tomorrow.

Lol so crazy that Hufflepuff McTownslip "reads DH as town" after jumping on Mac/Jay's goose chase huh thats fuckin nuts man wow this game is so wild lol

According to you I’m not allowed to play this game.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:29 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:26 pm DH you think we started with 5:1 town:scum? But like it's not just that you're spewing out random unrelated bullshit all over the place, aren't contributing actually productive reads, and are evading direct questions and requests for poe lists. if you want town to solve the game you gotta do better.

I dunno what you mean.

You promised updated reads the other day. Now you’ve reverted back to “hufflepuff = bad”. Ignore houses and catch bad guys.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:13 pm So, I'll say regarding Colin that the reason I'm seeing him as town is because of the cop check. So if people thing poutanko is lying its of interest to me why that would be (which is how the whole DH conversation started). If there are reasons to consider Colin as scum, I'd like to discuss those too.

My concern would be less that poutanko is lyinf, and more that their divinations were interfered with/redirected somehow.

If it were day right now I’d be voting for speedchuck again, if you want any indication of where I stand on poutanko’s claim

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:14 pm Also I think I've overdosed on speed and Quin things so I'm ready to talk about something else.

Sprityo and karavalenge: who are they? What do they know? Do they know things? Let’s find put.

If only one of those two is scum, I’d guess speedchuck before kara. But I like your w/w theory for the two of them and would give it serious consideration if one of them flips bad.

A hundred tabs, Ctrl + F, attentive skimming

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:00 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:44 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:24 am I'm so behind. Thanks for the extra long night phase, DDL. So what's going on here?

Jay and nutella are doing an interactive spreadsheet to map out who looks bad. Then town is going to work the spreadsheet as a group.

There is no resolution to the Quin v. Speedchuck issue. At least in my opinion. speed has a different opinion and so does Quin.

DH doesn't seem to want to participate anymore, hopefully he will change his mind.

There's a lot of other stuff but those are my highlights.

I don't want to be the dancing clapping monkey, there's a difference.

We never said you have to clap.

That’s the worst read you’ve ever produced on me. Yuck.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:55 am That’s the worst read you’ve ever produced on me. Yuck.

Is that all you have to say Darth Sloonei. Mister Blackheart.

No

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:03 am I said "insight" instead of "incite", so I deserve any insults coming my way.

Honestly you know what, not even worth responding to that shit ass case anymore.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:52 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:53 pm If Quin is bad and was targeting his teammate Long Con, what ability might he have been using?

Aimless question.

Let us take a step back for a moment in the Mafia History Books. What does Sloonei do? Above all else, what is the thing that Sloonei does in mafia games? Especially early in games, when a clear direction has not been established? Does anyone know what Sloonei does? Who will tell us what Sloonei does?

Sloonei asks questions. Why does he do that? To get answers. Sometimes he has the answers, but asks anyway. Other times he does not have the answers, and so he asks. In this game, Sloonei does not have answers. He asks questions that he hopes will incite insightful discussions. They are no aimless. This question is not aimless. Quin and Speedchuck created a controversy that consumed the thread. Everyone except sprityo debated it all day, and nobody came to a satisfying conclusion. In consideration of the possibilities, one must wonder what scum Quin was doing targeting scum Long Con in the event that Speedchuck told the truth. This was not something I'd seen being considered. I wanted it to be considered. Do you have a proposed answer to my aimless question, master?

Sloonei reviews the mechanical controversy and ends up with a bunch of opinions in conflict with each other and no conclusion. speed's claims are "more calculated" and Quin's are "more improvised" -- both of those sound bad.

Both of those are bad. That was my point. I didn't write those words with the intent of offering a definitive conclusion. One can say that I'm waffling and I won't fuss about it. The point of that exercise was to wrap my head around the events and try to offer whatever interpretation I may. Those were the interpretations I came up with. In the moment I was unsure which I preferred.

I've decided, at least for now, that I side with Quin. The questions about speedchuck's motivation for watching Long Con are too much to ignore. His claim felt calculated, as if he was trying to entrap somebody. What reason does a townie have for telling us all that timmer didn't kill Long on?

~~~

Conclusion

I note a lot of concerns here and nothing stands out to the contrary.

RED

I care about the roof, I'm just not spending as much time underneath it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:11 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:03 am I said "insight" instead of "incite", so I deserve any insults coming my way.

Honestly you know what, not even worth responding to that shit ass case anymore.

You keep calling it a “case”

I mean, unless we're just "red" because of quin's hair...