The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm but you didn't get lynched. I saw you making things happen. I don't see that here yet.
whether or not I got lynch is irrelevant, the relevant part is that you should remember how that game went.

name one thing that i made happen during the first day of the pirates game. I asked questions about dogs and I think I cobbled together a read list at some point because I had 3 hours without anything better to do, bcus it was a small game filled with players I'd never met.

My most active decision was maintaining a tied vote on MP late in the day phase

I don't want to discuss another game any further in this thread. I just want you to continue sharing the thoughts that you have about this game.

Epi, do you agree with kyle's assessment that you were attacking LC with hyperbole and strawmen?

Kyle, have you had a chance to dig into anyone else yet?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:31 pmI don't want to discuss another game any further in this thread. I just want you to continue sharing the thoughts that you have about this game.
wellllll, that was the plan before you interrupted me. now that I know we have 10 hours and not 34 left I intend to get down to it.

but it won't cost me any of my time or energy for you to explain your motivation so I'm fine with you doing that.

My motivation on Day 1 is to get as many people talking as I can. I want to know where everyone's head is at, even if they're having trouble formulating thoughts; I want to know where they're getting stuck, or whatever else. If something comes along that I particularly like or dislike, I'll put it out there and see who bites.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:13 pm So then is your reasoning for not necessarily having all the facts correct that it stirs the pot regardless and the end justifies the means? @Sloonei

I'll never have all the facts about a game that I'm playing in, and the best that we can do is make the most of what is observable to us. The more that is observable, the stronger our foundation will be, so I like to make people talk. I like to think that I'm an avid pot stirrer, and my means are in the interest of solving the game, so I certainly feel justified in prodding people.
How do you feel about my vote being on you right now?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:31 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm but you didn't get lynched. I saw you making things happen. I don't see that here yet.
whether or not I got lynch is irrelevant, the relevant part is that you should remember how that game went.

name one thing that i made happen during the first day of the pirates game. I asked questions about dogs and I think I cobbled together a read list at some point because I had 3 hours without anything better to do, bcus it was a small game filled with players I'd never met.

My most active decision was maintaining a tied vote on MP late in the day phase
I don't want to discuss another game any further in this thread. I just want you to continue sharing the thoughts that you have about this game.
Kinda unfair to say you suspect someone because of a difference in Game A and Game B, then say you don't want to discuss Game A anymore, no?

My point about Pirates wasn't meant to be central to what I had to say about kyle. I just wanted to note that he was hanging back more in this game than in that one. We started to veer into discussion of his play specific to that game, and I don't think that's relevant or constructive here.

I mostly like his answers to my interrogation so far. He seems composed and eager to work toward a solution. I still don't know enough about his gameplay to say that that's a definitive town-tell and I still would like to hear more diverse thoughts from him.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:54 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:45 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:44 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:22 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.
How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*
We need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.
Posts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything? To borrow the words of somebody else:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:00 amThat's a good enough reason for Day 1 because I will accept any reason on Day 1.

Do you intend to keep your vote on me?
What an odd question.

I will answer it by saying I subscribe to the maxim "Vote early, vote often."

I'm gonna put a vote on colonialbob because he never told me why this was an odd question.

LC what are your thoughts on Sloonei?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:19 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:37 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.
I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.
That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.
What are you suggesting in this post?

People are going to hate our hydra so much.

I'm voting for Long Con but I'm working and can't explain why at the moment.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:26 pm Wait wtf why is sloon voting on LC?

*keeps reading*

TBD

I thought I'd have more time to dig into this between coming home from work and the end of day. I'll do things, but not as much as I hoped. If I like the nutella wagon I'll solidify it. If not then you're all jerks.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.
This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.

My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.
This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.
My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.
Sloonei, are you a little mountain?

No

Right, trying to catch up is a waste of my time. What's happening, folks?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:01 am I still like Mesk's response, and that's the best reason I have to think anybody is good at this stage. I do wish Mesk would bless us with some commentary though.

Glorfindel hasn't posted yet, which isn't a good sign.
I don't think Glorf is going to show.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:43 am I take that back. I just don't get the Epi/Daisy inconsistency so my mind writes it off.
Um, what inconsistency apparently has me linked with Epi? I'm a bit confused about this statement.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:58 am I didn't see any need to treat the Daisy votes any differently than any other votes at the time. They seemed like pressure votes, and that was fine with me.
See you say "pressure votes" but did I ever even have any votes at any time? And also, did anyone other than Sloonei ever say they actually suspected me? Because this is what troubles me, Sloonei indicated he suspected me strongly, on a couple of occasions actually. And the response from everyone seemed to be meh, we don't see it. And Sloonei dropped it like a hot potato. He never indicated he found my explanation plausible. He never seemed to give me so much as a "not sure I buy it, but I'll let it go for the moment," Nothing. I woud normally dismiss Sloonei's early actions as trying to force conversation, but this didn't fee like he was really looking for conversation, looking back at it now it feels to me like he was throwing the spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks. That concerns me. Especially since he never even voted for me that I am aware of. If he was so suspicious of me, why did he drop it without a peep? And why did he never actually vote for me?

Yup, that's how I play. I had a very slight ping on Day 0, I was anxious to get the game started, so I mentioned it so that we'd have something to talk about. It was never a serious suspicion.

[mention]nutella[/mention] got any legacy reads? It appears you're on the way out.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:41 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.
This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.
My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.
Sloonei, are you a little mountain?
No
I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.

huh?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:03 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:59 am @nutella got any legacy reads? It appears you're on the way out.
Jack, Quin, and Kyle are my scum reads. And all pretty good scrabble words. Most likely not all three of them are bad, and one or two of the inactives are, but those are where I'd start.

these might be my three strongest town reads

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:41 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:47 pm

This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.
My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.
Sloonei, are you a little mountain?
No
I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.
huh?
> You throw votes out like candy on Day 1
> I use the word candy because I've given up on my own country's vocabulary
> You suspect Epi but won't put the final vote on him at that time
> I question why he didn't at least earn a pressure vote
> You tell me that your final vote is cast when it's well reasoned
> This exchange does not make me happy

Epignosis did not need a pressure vote. He was surrounded by pressure.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:06 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:03 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:59 am @nutella got any legacy reads? It appears you're on the way out.
Jack, Quin, and Kyle are my scum reads. And all pretty good scrabble words. Most likely not all three of them are bad, and one or two of the inactives are, but those are where I'd start.
these might be my three strongest town reads
And I may well be wrong and you may be right about any of them. Just thought I'd throw something out there.

I appreciate it, I don't mean to negate your reads. I'm just pointing out my own reads opposite yours.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:21 am I need to put lasagne on.

Quin's just like you and me, he puts his lasagna on one leg at a time.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:29 am Your lasagna bit gave me a good chuckle at work, Quin.

And Sloonei's last post just did now too. I love you guys! Even if I do sometimes think you're evil scum that must be eradicated...

I wouldn't wanna eradicate any scum I don't love.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:08 am @Marmot any chance you can tell us how ties are handled?

nutella seemed to anticipate that a tie would happen.

i also don't think the sutter buttes would be able to influence the Day 1 lynch, since their ability is a night action. Night has not occurred yet.

I just realized daisy voted for me. In a tied poll. Why?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:58 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:37 am I just realized daisy voted for me. In a tied poll. Why?
It wasn't tied from where I sat. In fact it wasn't visibly tied when the poll ended. I already said exactly why I found you suspicious, you read it and even responded to it. I just apparently forgot to say *votes Sloonei*

I'm more interested in why you used your vote on a player who was not in any danger of being lynched during such a contested lynch phase. What were the votes like at the time?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:57 pm I'm voting for Long Con but I'm working and can't explain why at the moment.
I didn't see any explanation for this. A few sentences would have sufficed.

Instead, the posts leading up to the lynch never addressed the Long Con vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:12 am I thought I'd have more time to dig into this between coming home from work and the end of day. I'll do things, but not as much as I hoped. If I like the nutella wagon I'll solidify it. If not then you're all jerks.
I also don't understand this post. Rather than offer that explanation for the LC vote, Sloonei excused himself, and then said that last sentence, which is what I really don't get.

"If I like the nutella wagon I'll solidify it (which I assume means he'll change his vote to nutella). If [I don't like the nutella wagon] then you're all jerks."

That doesn't make any sense to me.

it was late and I was tired.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:57 pm I'm voting for Long Con but I'm working and can't explain why at the moment.
I didn't see any explanation for this. A few sentences would have sufficed.

Instead, the posts leading up to the lynch never addressed the Long Con vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:12 am I thought I'd have more time to dig into this between coming home from work and the end of day. I'll do things, but not as much as I hoped. If I like the nutella wagon I'll solidify it. If not then you're all jerks.
I also don't understand this post. Rather than offer that explanation for the LC vote, Sloonei excused himself, and then said that last sentence, which is what I really don't get.

"If I like the nutella wagon I'll solidify it (which I assume means he'll change his vote to nutella). If [I don't like the nutella wagon] then you're all jerks."

That doesn't make any sense to me.
it was late and I was tired.
Are you tired right now?

A little

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:42 pm
A little

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:42 pm
A little

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:42 pm
A little
Busted.

Shiiiiiit

The honest answer is I felt in my belly that Long Con should be bad while I was working so I put my vote on him and expected to give a good explanation when I got home. But then that didn't happen til after midnight and I'd lost my train of thought, but the lynch looked settled, more or less. I tried to get caught up but that was a dumb idea. I still haven't read pages 10-15.

I will try to return to the train of thought that brought me to my LC conclusion, of course.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:04 am I switched my vote. I regret it already, but if Nutella is telling the truth then...... ugh

This is an action that needs an explanation. What did you see that prompted this last second change, kyle?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:33 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:58 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:37 am I just realized daisy voted for me. In a tied poll. Why?
It wasn't tied from where I sat. In fact it wasn't visibly tied when the poll ended. I already said exactly why I found you suspicious, you read it and even responded to it. I just apparently forgot to say *votes Sloonei*
I'm more interested in why you used your vote on a player who was not in any danger of being lynched during such a contested lynch phase. What were the votes like at the time?
Because I believed Nutella to be civ (though she has fooled me before so I wasn't 100% certain) and though I am tinfoiling LC and Epi, it's nowhere near solid enough a suspicion to place a vote there. So basically I voted the person I lost suspected at the time. That's how you usually are supposed to use your vote after all.

With regards to your reason for voting me specifically: you definitely are reading too much into my early poo fling at you. I was never strongly suspicious of you. I did vote for you, for about 5 minutes. I wanted to create an avenue for discussion and tried to do that through you. Instead, other avenues picked up. So I dropped it. Your response was good. This response is also good. I see nothing but a strong spacedaisy who's not tolerating any of my crap. I have a philosophical disagreement about vote application, but that's not a reason to be suspicious.

Got any other reads worth sharing?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:41 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 am

My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.
Sloonei, are you a little mountain?
No
I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.
huh?
> You throw votes out like candy on Day 1
> I use the word candy because I've given up on my own country's vocabulary
> You suspect Epi but won't put the final vote on him at that time
> I question why he didn't at least earn a pressure vote
> You tell me that your final vote is cast when it's well reasoned
> This exchange does not make me happy

I answered this

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:41 pm Kyle is like 10 right? DDL's kid?
Will you stop this before someone else buys it

Just accept it, dadl.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:40 pm lol jack if you think me being lazy is a scumtell you haven't played with me enough. you were spoiled in phenon, that was one of my best civ performances. I am normally lazy af and flipflopping all over the place, anyone can tell you that. I'm trying to change up my style anyway so it's less obvious, and have decided to go with a fast-and-loose, whatever-I-feel-like-saying style this game, and I've decided you're bad so I'm voting for you and I decided not to get deeply involved in discussion because, yeah, I'm lazy, deal with it

linki: wait you think I'm epi's scumbuddy? lol what? I very nearly voted for him first. I'm fine with him being lynched.

I like this post. I'm glad I didn't vote for nutella.

Is LC saying bogus things a scumtell?

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:25 am uh no. that would require too much effort and we're all still getting to know each other first..jesus i just realized this game is already 700+ posts in.... So while I agree there is a lot of content I could comment on, I know everyone based on their interactions with others which is simply not fair to pass judgment on... plus I will always stick by my never give reads Day 1. Which is a rule I intend to keep, especially given it's 2:30 am.

You're still going to be my best friend though even if I annoy you. You're the only person I know here.

Hello Mesk, pleasure to meet you. I believe our strategies may be completely different. I've highlighted the interesting portions. How do you go about solving the game without passing judgment on player interactions? And why would a hard working townie want to hold their tongue for the first cycle? Day 1 is the point at which we will have the highest number of townies, so it's the best time to let all your thoughts fly.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:40 pm lol jack if you think me being lazy is a scumtell you haven't played with me enough. you were spoiled in phenon, that was one of my best civ performances. I am normally lazy af and flipflopping all over the place, anyone can tell you that. I'm trying to change up my style anyway so it's less obvious, and have decided to go with a fast-and-loose, whatever-I-feel-like-saying style this game, and I've decided you're bad so I'm voting for you and I decided not to get deeply involved in discussion because, yeah, I'm lazy, deal with it

linki: wait you think I'm epi's scumbuddy? lol what? I very nearly voted for him first. I'm fine with him being lynched.
I take back what I said about lynch Epi first. I'm totally okay with a Nutella lynch first.

Lol "I've decided you are bad"

This seems to be the post where Jack went full throttle on his nutella suspicion, and from there the rest of the votes trickled in. I expected a more substantive case somewhere along the line. My reaction to nutella's post in question was the exact opposite of Jack's: nutella is approaching this game completely fast and loose and is exuding confidence in the ideas she puts into the thread. Jack waves his hand at it and calls her bad. But I don't see why. I don't see what the bad girl strategy of this post is.

Epi brought this post up last night and I wanted to circle back it:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:39 am I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.

Who were the people "kind of" wanting to vote for Epi, DDL? You're alleging suspicious behavior here, but not naming any culprits. And how have your reads on these individuals in question developed since then?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:30 pm Is LC saying bogus things a scumtell?
Yes but imo, he's not doing so.

The post that inspired my question was about you:

Spoiler: show

Is that not a bogus accusation?

I am the person Epi allegedly tried to intimidate on Day 1. He was not trying to intimidate me.

I was also the first person to bring up what has been dubbed his "buddying" of two players. I do not think this is a valid line of suspicion. It is on par with my Day 0 Daisy prod.

The case against Epignosis is a silly one.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:23 pm I am the person Epi allegedly tried to intimidate on Day 1. He was not trying to intimidate me.

I was also the first person to bring up what has been dubbed his "buddying" of two players. I do not think this is a valid line of suspicion. It is on par with my Day 0 Daisy prod.

The case against Epignosis is a silly one.
This makes a difference in my view of my previous tinfoil of Epi/LC actually.

I'm heading to work, I'll check in occasionally but don't expect much out of me for the next seven hours or so.

Are you more inclined to look favorably on either one of them than you were before?

Are there are ways to earn speedchuck points?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:30 pm Is LC saying bogus things a scumtell?
Yes but imo, he's not doing so.
The post that inspired my question was about you:
Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:46 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:44 pm I'll join nutella in her Jack vote for his scumslip.
wait what? is it him saying "a few good townies" or something else that I'm missing
When I asked him how his post was a scum tell, he said "I don't know" instead of "It's not a scumtell, and cannot be because I'm a Civ."
Is that not a bogus accusation?
I guess we're using "bogus" differently.

I think LC is being truthful and wrong in regards to that slip.

LC seeming to not actually believe his case is an LC tell.

Make sense?

I meant "bogus" both in that his statements do not make complete sense and that he may not always believe what he says. I'm unclear on where you stand on these issues, particularly as they relate to this post.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:23 pm I am the person Epi allegedly tried to intimidate on Day 1. He was not trying to intimidate me.

I was also the first person to bring up what has been dubbed his "buddying" of two players. I do not think this is a valid line of suspicion. It is on par with my Day 0 Daisy prod.

The case against Epignosis is a silly one.
What about the bits regarding bad handwaives of noncircular reasoning as circular reasoning and junk about "how does LC know those players are civs" etc?

Do you think Epi was being dishonest? Do you think any of that was alignment indicative?

I think the questions about LC "knowing" certain players were civ was Epi throwing LC's logic back in his face. LC built a case where he makes broad assumptions about Epi, so Epi returns the favor. That's just how I saw it and he can tell me I'm wrong.

I don't know what else you are referring to here.

Speedchuck, why is LC clear in your eyes?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
LC would not have, as scum, taken one of the danciest, hardest-to-lynch targets and formed a stupid argument to try and lynch him. My meta on LC says this sincere, earnest, and suicidal lynchlust comes from a town headspace.

And seriously, who would target Epi as their easy D1 lynch?

Motive-wise, it makes zero sense for LC to be scum outside of tinfoil land.

LC and Epi have a history of this sort of thing. It's within LC's meta to go after him like this. And LC is also one of the boldest scum players we'll see, according to legend. I get the impression that he's willing to do just abot anything.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:28 pm And LC is also one of the boldest scum players we'll see, according to legend. I get the impression that he's willing to do just abot anything.
Please gimme an example

an older syndicate veteran would be able to answer this better.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:56 pm @Elohcin
@Dragon D. Luffy

Who kind of wants to vote for Epi?

People that think Epi is scum but are voting for someone they also think is scum don't count. Who are the vultures?
You guys really like names don't you.

Yes. Why make an accusation if it's not really directed at anyone?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:19 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:56 pm @Elohcin
@Dragon D. Luffy

Who kind of wants to vote for Epi?

People that think Epi is scum but are voting for someone they also think is scum don't count. Who are the vultures?
You guys really like names don't you.
Yes. Why make an accusation if it's not really directed at anyone?
Because the point was not to make an accusation. It was to defend Epi.

Anyway, once i'm catch up I'll humor you. I'll give the list of everyone who gave me that feeling. Just don't expect me to have reads on them. Not my style.

But your defense of Epi implies that other players are being shady. You can't have the defense without any accusations.

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