The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:28 pm I maintain that Dom probably completely forgot about the game. Wouldn't be the first time.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:42 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm Wow you guys went ahead and vote me under no premise?

I could just not answer, is that better?

Gah. Whatever

Given that you're not caught up, based on what do you assert that your voters have acted "under no premise"?

IVE DONE NOTHING BUT VOTE FOR NUTELLA, JAY

I would argue that you made 15 posts prior to the protest I quoted there in addition to voting for nutella, and that those 15 posts serve as a premise which can justify a vote for you. You're not void of content here, but there's not much to inspire within that content (hi Quin).

Well you can expect more of me not being here.

I’m stepping away for the night.

Do what you wish, I don’t care

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:17 am Elohcin's rainbow and dialogue with Sloonei

Sloonei's questions here were reasonable -- Elohcin voiced in vague terms that the high posters seem civ and that she'd be willing to vote for a low poster. The contents of the rainbow list don't align with that much. A change of heart is fine, but I don't know if that's even what happened in Eloh's head -- the progression is unclear. The names in the rainbow almost appear randomized. I'm surprised to see myself rated well given my own slow start, and I have no idea why Mesk is so high. I don't know why the low posters are split between yellow and orange. I don't know why the high posters Sloonei and Quin are orange. When given an opportunity to expand on these things, she just said "relax" and restated the general purpose of a rainbow list.

@Elohcin, you need to talk more about what's going on there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:34 am Moreover I think the low-poster lynch strategy is ideal under these conditions.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:35 am Switching to Sprityo. At time of posting, I've read like none of his content (cause he had none when I left) so that sounds better than lynching Sloonei.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:42 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:34 am Moreover I think the low-poster lynch strategy is ideal under these conditions.

Explain please. I'm also curious why you're defending somebody you didn't seem to be fully onboard with as town.

This has been the fastest-paced side mission I've ever seen here. The only competition that comes to mind at the moment is Economics, and I believe that had 48 hour days. This environment is a challenging one for a mafia team to handle, and with that in mind I believe there's a better chance of finding them among the low-posters than there would be in some other randomly selected game. Consider the present wagons, that dynamic, and sprityo's recent conduct in this thread and I think it's the best decision right now.

I'm not fully on board with Sloonei as town. I don't care. This is EOD, and the point is to make the best vote I can make. I think there's more reason to view him as a civilian than there is for sprityo. I think there's more reason to view Jack as a civilian too.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:44 am Anyone want to point out that if self-preservation was my goal right now I'd just switch my vote to jack and stop trying to pull people onto my preferred target? No? okay.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:50 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:44 am Anyone want to point out that if self-preservation was my goal right now I'd just switch my vote to jack and stop trying to pull people onto my preferred target? No? okay.

Vizzini.jpg

It's not wifom. I just don't have any reason to care about self-preservation in the poll.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:08 am @Marmot any chance you can tell us how ties are handled?

In the event of a tie on Day 1, no one is lynched.

In the event of a tie on any other day, one of the tied players will randomly be chosen and cast into the abyss (lynched).

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:57 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:39 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:35 am Switching to Sprityo. At time of posting, I've read like none of his content (cause he had none when I left) so that sounds better than lynching Sloonei.

Whyyyyyyyyyyyy

I firmly believe Sloonei is good. He feels good. He's been thinking and he's working.

Tell me why you think he's bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:03 am So, what do we all think of "tie strategy"?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:02 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.

Sorry, you're right, your vote swapped to Sprityo about 3 hours before that sequence (your last post prior to that sequence, actually). But I still don't like the justification of your vote, and the second bit seems too passive to me. Like you want somebody else to give you cover for swapping back and saving youraelf.

I forgot about this post. I dont get what you are saying, bob. I'm looking for somebody else to give me a reason to vote for Eloh? What's passive? I'm confused.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:08 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:01 am Interested to see this flip, I'm like 50/50 that Jack and Sloons are w/w

also please elaborate on these reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:08 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:01 am Interested to see this flip, I'm like 50/50 that Jack and Sloons are w/w

also please elaborate on these reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:53 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob

What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?

I don't love it. He pretty clearly misinterpreted the "3 civs" thing, per your previous statement. Whether that's on purpose or just as a defense, who knows.

That said, I think LC's take against Epi was pretty weak. It's Day 1, saying you won't vote for somebody today is a viable way of narrowing the lynch pool as a way of getting into the game. He did pick two new (to the Syndicate) players, so maybe he's a scum hoping a new player latches on to it? Idk, seems weak.

All that said though I'm not interested in narrowing the focus just to the two of them just yet. I actually like Sloonei's line of questioning - let's hear actual thoughts Kyle.

*votes kyle*

To borrow someone else's words:

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:44 am Posts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything

Jack asks cbob and I to weigh in on Epi vs. LC, part 9000 and bob just waffles around, qualifying both his points with some variation of a shrug. Then he piggybacked on my questioning of kyle, which is, like, an easy thing to do.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:53 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:17 am Elohcin's rainbow and dialogue with Sloonei

Sloonei's questions here were reasonable -- Elohcin voiced in vague terms that the high posters seem civ and that she'd be willing to vote for a low poster. The contents of the rainbow list don't align with that much. A change of heart is fine, but I don't know if that's even what happened in Eloh's head -- the progression is unclear. The names in the rainbow almost appear randomized. I'm surprised to see myself rated well given my own slow start, and I have no idea why Mesk is so high. I don't know why the low posters are split between yellow and orange. I don't know why the high posters Sloonei and Quin are orange. When given an opportunity to expand on these things, she just said "relax" and restated the general purpose of a rainbow list.

Elohcin, you need to talk more about what's going on there.

So then if he was right on all that why did he drop the vote when Epi said the read/case was bad? What made him swap his vote?

This was where I started to doubt Bob in real time. This is a wonky line of questioning. "Well if Sloonei's right about Eloh, why isn't he voting for her?", as if Town Sloonei should be certain that his read on Elohcin was correct, and it is suspicious that Sloonbeard would not follow through on such a convincing self-made read. Bogus line of inquiry. He's voting for me because I'm considering voting for Elohcin, then turning around to criticize me for not voting Elohcin.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:59 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:13 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:02 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.

Sorry, you're right, your vote swapped to Sprityo about 3 hours before that sequence (your last post prior to that sequence, actually). But I still don't like the justification of your vote, and the second bit seems too passive to me. Like you want somebody else to give you cover for swapping back and saving youraelf.

I forgot about this post. I dont get what you are saying, bob. I'm looking for somebody else to give me a reason to vote for Eloh? What's passive? I'm confused.

That post felt like you were inviting somebody to make a case against Eloh so you could better justify putting your vote back without having to push the case yourself. It's in the same vein as that Epi post I took issue with D1.

(That's both the benefit and drawback of playing with people you don't know... you may notice behaviors/tells those familiar with them may not, but you also may misinterpret things others have learned already.)

I see bob did give more of an explanation for this.
Nope. I want people to talk about Elohcin, as well as all the other suspects I name. That's why I name them, and it's why I might be accused of casting weak reads and being soft. Because, especially early in games, I'm more interested in gauging reaction than I am presenting a formal case. Once I have a solid read I'll put it in the thread, but it takes time to reach that point. I invite anyone and everyone to bring reasons to vote for Elohcin to the table. That's how the game works. I wasn't trying to weasel my way into a vote for her or anything like that.

I also guess that my "Epi behavior from Day 1" was that fence-sitting comment you made wayyyy back in the beginning of time. I completely disregarded that as a serious suspicion because it was so early and you seemed to have abandoned it and come around to read me as town.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:59 am My point however, is not that scumhunting is for suckers, if that most scumhunting "tells" are smoke and mirrors in order to justify what is basically gut. Well I'm not sure if this applies to you people, but it applies to me. In the past, I'd suspect someone for a single scummy post, then I'd ISO them, do a very detailed analysis, and conclude they were the source of all evil on Earth. Then I would tunnel vision on them for tens of posts, and be so vocal I'd get at least one unlucky civ and one oppotunist baddie to follow me. Boom, mislynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:41 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:19 am Responding to the bits I want to respond to individually for readability.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:53 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob

What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?

I don't love it. He pretty clearly misinterpreted the "3 civs" thing, per your previous statement. Whether that's on purpose or just as a defense, who knows.

That said, I think LC's take against Epi was pretty weak. It's Day 1, saying you won't vote for somebody today is a viable way of narrowing the lynch pool as a way of getting into the game. He did pick two new (to the Syndicate) players, so maybe he's a scum hoping a new player latches on to it? Idk, seems weak.

All that said though I'm not interested in narrowing the focus just to the two of them just yet. I actually like Sloonei's line of questioning - let's hear actual thoughts Kyle.

*votes kyle*

To borrow someone else's words:

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:44 am Posts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything

Jack asks cbob and I to weigh in on Epi vs. LC, part 9000 and bob just waffles around, qualifying both his points with some variation of a shrug. Then he piggybacked on my questioning of kyle, which is, like, an easy thing to do.

If you're reading carefully, those qualifications weren't on *my* thoughts, but my devil's advocate justification of the Epi pressure. I didn't like the buddying accusation, said the only bit about it I could buy was the fact that Mesk and I are new to the Syndicate players who maybe could fall for buddying, but that even that was a pretty weak reason to buy the case. Basically, even the best version of the case against Epi I didn't love.

But you provide the "devil's advocate justifications" in the first place. My point is that this post presents options that either one of Epi or LC could be bad, but you did not commit to either one at ths time. You left both options open to yourself for the down the road.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:50 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:48 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:41 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:19 am Responding to the bits I want to respond to individually for readability.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:53 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob

What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?

I don't love it. He pretty clearly misinterpreted the "3 civs" thing, per your previous statement. Whether that's on purpose or just as a defense, who knows.

That said, I think LC's take against Epi was pretty weak. It's Day 1, saying you won't vote for somebody today is a viable way of narrowing the lynch pool as a way of getting into the game. He did pick two new (to the Syndicate) players, so maybe he's a scum hoping a new player latches on to it? Idk, seems weak.

All that said though I'm not interested in narrowing the focus just to the two of them just yet. I actually like Sloonei's line of questioning - let's hear actual thoughts Kyle.

*votes kyle*

To borrow someone else's words:

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:44 am Posts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything

Jack asks cbob and I to weigh in on Epi vs. LC, part 9000 and bob just waffles around, qualifying both his points with some variation of a shrug. Then he piggybacked on my questioning of kyle, which is, like, an easy thing to do.

If you're reading carefully, those qualifications weren't on *my* thoughts, but my devil's advocate justification of the Epi pressure. I didn't like the buddying accusation, said the only bit about it I could buy was the fact that Mesk and I are new to the Syndicate players who maybe could fall for buddying, but that even that was a pretty weak reason to buy the case. Basically, even the best version of the case against Epi I didn't love.

But you provide the "devil's advocate justifications" in the first place. My point is that this post presents options that either one of Epi or LC could be bad, but you did not commit to either one at ths time. You left both options open to yourself for the down the road.

Yeah, it was like less than halfway through Day 1. I'm not ruling out somebody as a suspect that early - something we have in common, no? But I didn't like the current case. And I think it was clear over the rest of my D1 posting where my feelings on those two ended up falling.

It was clear. But I didn't buy your reason for it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:04 am Bob, what are your reads on jack and i now?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:16 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:11 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:04 am Bob, what are your reads on jack and i now?

I'm still trying to work through all the implications of the tie and the no lynch. Like, Jack could've been a little mountain protected by the Buttes, or confident of the Everest double vote, or Daisy is right about you, etc. I promise I'll come back with fully formed thoughts on this in a bit.

I no longer thing w/w is a strong possibility though.

Whether or not it was a tie is moot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am
In the event of a tie on Day 1, no one is lynched.

In the event of a tie on any other day, one of the tied players will randomly be chosen and cast into the abyss (lynched).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:37 pm Cbob is easy for me to see as scum, and I'm glad someone brought it up. I didn't feel like posting much during the day. It all started when Cbob saw my firey post against LC and jumped on the bandwagon against him. But for those that remember, my post train wasn't condemning of LC's alignment, only his reasoning. Cbob wasn't looking for a read, he was looking for an excuse.

In general, it feels like Cbob is trying to hide his lack of scumhunting behind aggression and agreement, depending on the tide of the game. Most of the end of D2 had Cbob waving his vote in sloon's face without substantiating it or arguing it.

"But he seems so confident!"
Yeah, that's what I do as scum. I'd vote there.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:10 am On the off chance of vote shenanigans...


Nutella, Sloonei, Jimmy, Bob, Quin good.

Epi bad. DDL maybe bad. Daisy maybe bad but only if Epi is.

Everyone else mostly null.

Do people use legacy reads? I feel like these get ignored.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:24 am Anyone want to/able to weigh in on what I just said about colonialbob? He's leapfrogged everyone else to the top of my suspects list.

I found what you said convincing.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:55 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:10 am On the off chance of vote shenanigans...


Nutella, Sloonei, Jimmy, Bob, Quin good.

Epi bad. DDL maybe bad. Daisy maybe bad but only if Epi is.

Everyone else mostly null.

Do people use legacy reads? I feel like these get ignored.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:24 am Anyone want to/able to weigh in on what I just said about colonialbob? He's leapfrogged everyone else to the top of my suspects list.

I found what you said convincing.

Second time you've done this, town read me then next post flip me to bottom of your list based on somebody else's suspicions. I'm getting Crossover vibes all over the place from you, and I don't like it.

Bob, I'm shit at reading you. See: All of Hybridity, basically. First three reads of you were pure gut and some were explicitly stated to not be reads anyone should listen to.

Last one is based on Sloonei's arguement sounding legit.

What do you think of Jimmy, Daisy, Dom, DDL, Speed?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:02 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:55 pm PS I think Sloonei's ISO of me started with the premise that I was probably bad and surprisingly enough found reasons to confirm. I don't think that's alignment indicative, I think it's a problem with ISOing people you're not neutral on.

You still haven't addressed my primary concern, which was your behavior from the time you started suspecting me to the end of the day.
this post here also suggests you've reversed your opinion on me again.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:12 pm But also, for the sake of discussion philosophy/theory, you're right that I was looking for reasons to suspect you. When I'm engaging in an ISO like the one I did of cbob last night, I am asking myself "Can I see any of these actions being scum-indicative?". If I can pull enough out that consistently makes sense, I'm willing to run with it. If I struggle, I'll probably still submit the post for sake of discussion, but I won't push the person as a suspect. I don't think I can catch baddies without this approach.

Other times I'll ISO a person from a totally neutral standpoint. It depends on what I'm working with and where I'm at in the game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:16 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:02 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:55 pm PS I think Sloonei's ISO of me started with the premise that I was probably bad and surprisingly enough found reasons to confirm. I don't think that's alignment indicative, I think it's a problem with ISOing people you're not neutral on.

You still haven't addressed my primary concern, which was your behavior from the time you started suspecting me to the end of the day.
this post here also suggests you've reversed your opinion on me again.

I've reversed position on you for mechanical reasons. Town has the avoid lynch powers, so that makes you more likely to be town. Also Jack's non-tie vote bothers me and the more likely he is to be scum the less likely you are to be, since the w/w thing doesn't hold up mechanically.

My behavior from suspecting you until end of day? My choices were you, Jack, or sprit. I didn't want to vote sprit because I don't like going low poster this early. I could've voted Jack but my suspicions of you were fresher and less meta. I don't really get this "waving my vote in your face" complaint tbh.

I never got the impression you were honestly considering a vote change. You were poking Jay with some questions about sprityo and me, but I don't remember seeing you offer any critical thoughts of your own, and you never wavered for a moment from your position. Your vote was on me and you were acting like there was still room to change your mind, but I never saw evidence of this. I also feel like the confidence you expressed in your vote was not backed up by the justification you provided, but that's not something I can view objectively since I was the target of it.

Why didn't you vote for Jack?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 pm @colonialbob I happen to disagree with most every D2 read you've posted, so I'm [retty sure I'd read you scum if I ISO'd you. The lack of defense you're getting in this is kinda disturbing.

I mean, sloon had a good argument, but everyone's just like 'sure' so far and we townies haven't been uniform on anything all game.

Does anyone think Cbob is town? Why?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 pm I mean, sloon had a good argument, but everyone's just like 'sure' so far and we townies haven't been uniform on anything all game.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 pm we townies

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:38 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:16 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:02 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:55 pm PS I think Sloonei's ISO of me started with the premise that I was probably bad and surprisingly enough found reasons to confirm. I don't think that's alignment indicative, I think it's a problem with ISOing people you're not neutral on.

You still haven't addressed my primary concern, which was your behavior from the time you started suspecting me to the end of the day.
this post here also suggests you've reversed your opinion on me again.

I've reversed position on you for mechanical reasons. Town has the avoid lynch powers, so that makes you more likely to be town. Also Jack's non-tie vote bothers me and the more likely he is to be scum the less likely you are to be, since the w/w thing doesn't hold up mechanically.

My behavior from suspecting you until end of day? My choices were you, Jack, or sprit. I didn't want to vote sprit because I don't like going low poster this early. I could've voted Jack but my suspicions of you were fresher and less meta. I don't really get this "waving my vote in your face" complaint tbh.

I never got the impression you were honestly considering a vote change. You were poking Jay with some questions about sprityo and me, but I don't remember seeing you offer any critical thoughts of your own, and you never wavered for a moment from your position. Your vote was on me and you were acting like there was still room to change your mind, but I never saw evidence of this. I also feel like the confidence you expressed in your vote was not backed up by the justification you provided, but that's not something I can view objectively since I was the target of it.

Why didn't you vote for Jack?

Answered in the post you quoted...

I don't like that answer, you're just reasserting that you voted for me. What was the case against Jack and why did you not follow it?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:58 pm I'm the people who enabled the tie to happen as well. Namely bob. I sincerely do not understand his behavior last night from a town perspective.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:24 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:28 am That question was directed at JJJ because it was intended for JJJ. He was supporting your posting, so I wanted to understand why the part that bothered me didn't bother him. I wanted his thought process to help formulate a read on him, not as part of my feelings on you. I can certainly see why you interpreted this thay way, though, especially on ISO.

Can you describe the mafia mindset you attributed to Sloonei at the time regarding his vote move off of Elohcin? What about that maneuver made you suspicious of him?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:00 pm If I survive the night ( ) and find the time, I will ISO Cbob and determine how I feel -- he's sort of blended in for most of the game and has that problem of seeming active but still quite forgettable (I really didn't notice him/remember he was there until the end of day 2 with the sloonei stuff), so that's really not a good look, though I still think I generally got a slightly more civ vibe from him than from some others. I did like Sloonei's case, so I'm looking forward to seeing what else I find in his iso. I can be very guilty of confirmation bias when iso-ing though, so I'll try to be open-minded and look for both town tells and scum tells.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:28 pm What's colonialbob's read on me at the present moment?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:15 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:12 pm Sloonei, why didn't you vote for Jack when it became apparent a sprityo lynch was unlikely to happen?

I was not suspicious of Jack at the time. I was holding out hope that somebody would jump over to sprityo last second.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:34 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:32 amAs far as other reads I'd really prefer to wait for flips tonight, you know, in case somebody dies...

That's assuming we get to know the role of the nightkilled party

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:33 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:50 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:24 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:28 am That question was directed at JJJ because it was intended for JJJ. He was supporting your posting, so I wanted to understand why the part that bothered me didn't bother him. I wanted his thought process to help formulate a read on him, not as part of my feelings on you. I can certainly see why you interpreted this thay way, though, especially on ISO.

Can you describe the mafia mindset you attributed to Sloonei at the time regarding his vote move off of Elohcin? What about that maneuver made you suspicious of him?

He threw out a case on Eloh, nobody followed out and somebody disagreed with it, he moved off Eloh but expressed he was still fine voting her. Similarly, his "I could end up on Epi." In my experience mafia often try to gain consensus on their votes and are less likely to stake bold voting positions.

(Keep in mind part of his defense was "this is normal play for me," but I've essentially never played with him before. I modded one game on another site that I think you ebbed up replacing him, I was only alive one cycle in Crossover (and maybe he was modding?), and CC123 is far from a normal game)

Describe the bold voting position that you feel is more likely to come from a civilian in this scenario. What does that look like?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:28 pm I gave this reaction because I am sick and can't get my life together atm. But...with the holiday over, I'm able to wipe away the grin and bear it attitude one has to have when she is around family but feeling like crap. I feel more relaxed niw and even though I feel worse physically (my face hurts ), I feel like I can better participate without the hussle and bustle of events.

I should be able to do a couple more ISOs tomorrow...at leaat one.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:04 pm feel free to summarize your reads /theories to me cos while I have tried to stay up to date with the thread ya'll are close to 2000 effing posts and that's inhumane for a game with 0 lynches and 0 nightkills.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:35 pm Yeah fuck it.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:38 pm SPRITYO/DUNYA
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