The Syndicate

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:48 pm I meant to put a question on the end of that for you, sabie12. How do you respond to that argument?

I dont know really. I just am going to feel really bad if I get mislynched and then the civs lose. Then people will be all well if only you tried harder and did this instead of that. I don't want everyone to be upset with me because it'll be my fault we lose.


As to the point sloonei just made I have suspected speed before and have voted for him before. It is still possible he could be bad. If sloonei isnt bad and nutellas only real thing is the voting against svs. I guess i can see how mamaymamaybmamaymamaybe she thought the svs lynch was too easy I almost thought that too. maybe we should be looking at speed?

This sentiment in the first paragraph rings really true. I hate being the MYLO mislynch. I've been trying to work on not being a jerk at endgame, but a good example would be the recent game SPACE FORCE. I just about went mental because I was, for some time, being shoehorned into the MYLO mislynch basket. It wasn't pretty.

Nutella has had the opposite reaction as me. I think Sabie sounds really genuine in her plea against being mislynched. It's not "Y'all are wrong and are going to feel really bad," no blame, no strong NO U postings. Just a few statements about how much it sucks and how she has no plan to deal with it.

I feel like SVS or DDL would have at least left Sabie a clue or some help in BTSC at some point, or something to make this endgame feel less disjointed and unconnected. Just a feeling.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:36 pm In that space force game I might add I was right about dizzy being the other baddie and no one believed me because I voted dizzy and everyone else voted quin who got lynched and flipped bad. People gave me flack for that and then I ended up getting killed off and then ultimately we ended up losing in the end.

Yeah, that was my bad. That whole game was my bad. I'm loud.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:01 pm Dragon D. Luffy - 3 Voters: G-Man, speedchuck, Lunalee
Lunalee - 3 Voters: S~V~S, Sloonei, nutella
nutella - 1 Voter: Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck - 1 Voters: sabie12

This is the messiest vote all game. A tie at MYLO between scum and not scum. I wasn't around for deadline, and I don't think Sabie was either. So @Sloonei @nutella know you've stated your stance on Luna, but in general what made you think it was okay to tie the lynch at MYLO? Why ignore wagon consolidation?

Wagon consolidation can suck an egg when I suspect scum manipulation at MYLO. DDL received votes from just about everybody with zero resistance and I panicked. I was convinced he was the easy mislynch scapegoat.

When I moved to luna, as I’ve said, it was more for the sake of generating discussion on somebody else rather than a specific target (luna). But the votes that followed stuck there and at the end of the day I thought she was our best bet to avoid the obvious DDL mislynch.

I don't agree with the gameplay style, but that's neither here nor there I guess.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:01 pm Dragon D. Luffy - 3 Voters: G-Man, speedchuck, Lunalee
Lunalee - 3 Voters: S~V~S, Sloonei, nutella
nutella - 1 Voter: Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck - 1 Voters: sabie12

This is the messiest vote all game. A tie at MYLO between scum and not scum. I wasn't around for deadline, and I don't think Sabie was either. So @Sloonei @nutella know you've stated your stance on Luna, but in general what made you think it was okay to tie the lynch at MYLO? Why ignore wagon consolidation?

Wagon consolidation can suck an egg when I suspect scum manipulation at MYLO. DDL received votes from just about everybody with zero resistance and I panicked. I was convinced he was the easy mislynch scapegoat.

When I moved to luna, as I’ve said, it was more for the sake of generating discussion on somebody else rather than a specific target (luna). But the votes that followed stuck there and at the end of the day I thought she was our best bet to avoid the obvious DDL mislynch.

I don't agree with the gameplay style, but that's neither here nor there I guess.

I think it’s relevant. What would you have had me do?

In your situation? Attempt the very thing you attempted, and then if you were causing a tie that scum could easily take advantage of, move onto whatever wagon denied scum control of the lynch. Unless you were nearly convinced that DDL was town and Luna was scum, in which case, I'd have been super loud, campaigning, mentioning people to try and get them in thread to move at least one vote and avoid the tie.

Granted, I may be underestimating how strongly you believed DDL was town. I don't think avoiding a tie is a good reason to vote for someone you read town, if that's what you're getting at.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:48 pm Why is it his job?

I’m the mayor!

I put a +1 vote on luna. I figured I was in control of the tie. Thankfully I was not.

... huh.

Well, that changes things significantly. I have little beef with your action. From your point of view, DDL wouln't vote for himself, everyone else had made their choice, and the best Sabie could do was tie the action (possibly revealing herself as scum saving Luna). Not bad.

I never catch these hints.

I wonder how DDL got lynched. It wasn't me adding an extra vote.

Luna and G-Man were both vanilla, too. Unless they were given something, they couldn't have tied that vote.

SVS wouldn't have added a -1.

Either Nutella secretly subtracted from the Luna lynch, or shenanigans happened. I'm going to look back at the scum flips.

Welp. I'm confused to hell.

[mention]nutella[/mention] Are you self-aligned?

If nutella caused the null spot on that lynch then she can't be scum.

linki: well okay but I'm still confused

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:32 pm Lol I secretly accidentally (but fortunately) subtracted from he Luna lynch.

Please explain everything about this.
Is it your role? Someone else's?
What do you mean accidentally?

I might have more questions but that's a good place to start. This may or may not clear you, and I've been hemming and hawwing all day, so it's pretty important.

And everything makes sense again. I can stop tinfoiling on Nutella.

There's no reason for her to subtract from the Luna lynch, either as town or as scum. If scum, let Luna be lynched. If town, why would she be tricky about the vote?

Sloonei's only bad look is that he pretty much guaranteed a scum loss at MYLO by using his extra vote. Only crazy 3p weirdness kept the game going. Maybe the reason scum didn't have a good plan or that DDL didn't switch is that they thought they had it in the bag. That's a single bad look, but it's a big one.

One the other hand, with a possible redirected kill from targeting nutella, it would make sense if Sabie had her plans ruined by a deflection to Lunalee. The only reason she had a response ready is because of how hard that unexpected kill hit her. Making an assumption here, but it's a possibility.

As of right now, I'm tinfoiling, but I believe Sloonei more than Sabie. [VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:05 pm Yeah sloonei using his extra vote for the scum win seems possible but would he really do that and plant the "mayor" seed, I personally find it much more likely that he did that as town honestly thinking Luna was the better choice. Also this might be angle shooting but I don't think Jay gives mafia extra vote powers but idk also sloot could have been lying about it entirely but again I doubt it. I think this game is solverinoed bois.

That was the cincher for me too, the Mayor seed.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:07 pm That's also a good point though about his favorable read of me. Agh the waffles, they have me again.

The number of times your name has had "waffles" attached to it in this game is making me very hungry.

Thirty minutes until I can leave work and get some.

Hey guys!

I have so much to say. For one, WOW we were lucky to get off the roleblocks and kills we did. Cops and 3P killers are dangerous.
Despite the coasting that us scummers were allowed to get by with on the first few days, every one of you had us sweating these last four days. Good game. Ironically, I feel like this game qualified me better for the award than any game last year.
As a note, we went into this game planning not to bus each other at any point. We weren't good at it, we said. It was a bad idea, we said.
And then I missed the deadline when I was supposed to move from DDL to Lunalee, and the team fell apart.
That lynch was crazy. With nutella's role being what it is, there was only a 12.5% chance that DDL would be lynched on D5. It happened.
Crazy game, well designed, fun roles. I was glad to be a part of it!

Congrats to my teammates and nutella! We tried to kill you, but Kylemii snuffed it instead and I was too scared to try again.

Sorry, Sabie. Sloonei gave me a really convenient set of posts where he suspected Luna least and you most. He was the person I needed to convince. I managed to build up more cred than usual this game. Now I will be plagued by the #alwaysscum tag forever.

The awards were great. Everyone deserved them. DH's speech warmed my heart, Nutella's video was excellent, it's great to see a community where everyone can contribute like this.

Finally, my awards. Best Mafia, Best Burglary, and.... Best Theme? I almost teared up. I figured what it meant. SOMEONE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN READING MY WRITEUPS! I love writing, so it means a lot to me that you guys voted there. I really didn't expect any awards this year, because there are so many great players and hosters on this site. Thanks so much.

Looking forward to a great 2019 with you all!

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:11 pm So sorry sabie. Speed fuckin pulled a feat that lives up to his best mafioso award. At least I still get to win!! Yayyy

I seriously thought that award would get me killed this game.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] Your award presentation was amazing. I want to play all of those games in 2024.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:28 pm nutella, what would you have said had speedchuck killed you instead of Sloonei to end the game?

I would have been extremely angry and flipped out lol

As you should have been. That would have been a jerk move.

I did consider asking you to kingmake with me.

/me, final day of the game

*starts arguing against Sabie lynch*

What am I even doing?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:43 pm Dead chat

I will refrain from sharing the mafia chat since I forgot to warn them of that pre-game.

I'm cool with it.

Man deadchat didn't suspect me

I was sweating bullets

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:49 pm Man if anyone had me on their fantasy team that's a buncha points.

I fantasize about having you on my team, yes.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:45 pm Oh my dear boy every year is the year of nutella.

You mispelled speedchuck just fyi.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:00 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:41 pm I was godawful in 2018.

Me too. I believe I've won twice in my last ten games.

I haven't won since I've been back blahh

I stopped winning from (I think) July of 2018 through December, despite playing in almost every game. Now I'm doing well again.

No idea how much is luck and how much is skill or mental state, but it always comes back around!