The Syndicate

RIP Golden. Good game.

Uh, is the cecil gone?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:57 am Speedchuck, youre not aligned with Eloh, correct?

do you think eloh was Kevin or Hiram?

Assuming that Eloh was Hiram or Kevin, no. I am not knowingly aligned with Eloh.

I feel like Kevin is more likely to flip as Cecil, but Hiram is a wild card as well, and one that (if I recall) was hinted at in the cecil text.
My money is on Hiram.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:25 am Speedchuck, because of this whole very conscious self-doubt thing over typos and not voting Rico last lynch. I think he really didn't want to take responsibility for breaking the tie to lynch another civ and looking like he was saving someone.

If Jack was scum, this might make sense.

He wasn't. It doesn't.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:22 am
Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:25 am Speedchuck, because of this whole very conscious self-doubt thing over typos and not voting Rico last lynch. I think he really didn't want to take responsibility for breaking the tie to lynch another civ and looking like he was saving someone.
If Jack was scum, this might make sense.

He wasn't. It doesn't.
It makes sense if you are scum with Rico.

Actually, it makes sense no matter what. You could have info that suggests to you both are town and you don't want to be cast in a negative light for putting a late vote on a townie.

"Scum with Rico"
lol. Then I would have voted Jack without reservation.
Or I would have bussed Rico out of irritation.

"Info that suggests you both are town, fear being late decision on a town lynch"
So Mafia are never on the tail end of a lynch. Gotcha.
For the record, when I voted, I'm pretty sure there were plenty of people left to vote.

Wasn't Epi silenced yesterday though?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:47 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:41 pm Hoping to hear from INH, DrWilgy and Epi today
Nope.

Let's lynch Epi and Boomslang and end this game.

Which mafia team would you match them to?

I can match Boomslang to marcus. It's Epi to pol that I'm trying to figure out

Rico is a weird option. Golden was convinced he wasn't Pol, but his interactions with Pol have been weird.

Assuming Rico's telling the truth, the curse is on him again today, and it obviously isn't a reference or a joke.
Why would Pol drop the joke to hammer down on Rico?

Rico is either cursed or fake-cursed today, with something actually limiting. Examining both of those options:

1. Rico has been legit cursed. That would mean that the Politicians have a reason to curse him. Rico has some knowledge that he just got recently. No idea how that's possible, or whether Rico could actually get it across to us even without the curse.

2. Rico is faking it. He is a politician, and has faked two curses while using two other in a weird theme-y way. Pros: Rico is clearly all about the post gimmicks. He's also been blaming INH for being FOL all game, and INH is... not that? I forget why we confirmed that, but I have a good town read on INH. Rico is not being harassed over his use of smilies today.
Con: 2 self-targets with a decently powerful role is bonkers. Then again, politician's whole play is bonkers. Also Golden's argument, which I'm not looking back up right now.

I forget, is there a reason we're ruling Boomslang out as a politician? I know he could be Strex.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:40 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:31 pm I want to say it's either one strex, one politician: one strex, two politician; or no strex, two politician

The last one being my unlikely assumption

We also have to consider the independent, who we are assuming is TSP
Why are there only two baddies alive?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:15 pm Let's make a tie between epi and boomslang.

Amazing. Info on Epi, Boomslang, Marcus, and which one marcus might want dead. Beautiful.

I'll vote boomslang if you vote Epi, Dom.

VOTE BOOMSLANG

I'm probably not going to be around as much between now and deadline, so whatev.

I'll try to check in, though.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:22 am
Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:25 am Speedchuck, because of this whole very conscious self-doubt thing over typos and not voting Rico last lynch. I think he really didn't want to take responsibility for breaking the tie to lynch another civ and looking like he was saving someone.
If Jack was scum, this might make sense.

He wasn't. It doesn't.
It makes sense if, like me, you assume Rico was civ. Then, as TSP said, you would've the tiebreaking vote in a civ lynch. And if, as baddie, you had a strong sense that both were civ, you wouldn't want to implicate yourself with either lynch.

Read my later reply to... TSP? Sprit? Someone already followed up.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:04 pmends at 11:53est

Oh.

Hey I'll totally be around for end of day. Or at least, some of the last hour. Cool.

Well I was wrong

@nju

Does one mafia team inherit the other team's kill if the other team is eliminated?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:29 am Golden is almost certainly a civvie.

Then vote to rez him

I mean, I'd be cool with Lorab

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:05 pm The reason Golden and DF are confirmed civ is they got killed by the politicians

Doesn't this mean they could be Strex?
I don't think they are, but your chart looks to be examining all possibilities. And I think we only have 2 confirmed Strex.

But it's not confirmed. :P

You're charts are fine, I'm just nitpicking. I agree that those are both town.

I miss him.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:33 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:54 pm I might have expository skills for phenon but I wouldn't e able to write THAT much every other day
Hello?

Guys. Every other RL day. We don't get messages at the start of nighttime.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:09 pm i don't know how i feel about you answering for sprit/

Do you think two strex are still alive?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:09 pm i don't know how i feel about you answering for sprit/

Do you think two strex are still alive?

. . . sigh

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:18 pm No.
I don't.
There can only be one alive right now, and I don't think they are.

I also think sprit is civ.

So what's your point?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:41 pm I wanted to know what sprit meant.

Why did you answer for sprit?

Because I like answering questions.

Especially if the answer is obvious, and it seems like people are thinking about getting into a kerfuffle over nothing.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:00 am I tend to believe Boomslang wouldn't be so frank if he was a threat to the town, so the best place to hit today may well be the idea that all we have to do is catch one politician and we're done.

I mean, I'm fine with catching the politician today, but from what I can tell, it looks like the Tan Man inherited the Strex kill. So even if we don't have the politicians all eliminated by tomorrow, we should probably do something about it

Hey, boom. Do you think the game would end if we lynched the last politician today?

Updating ISOs

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:42 am Sprit was not that useful D1.

Possible w/w with Boomslang on D1 interactions.

D2 Sprit stayed outside of the Dom/Golden spat and said he saw the lynch as a choice between them. Possibly a way to narrow the lynch to two non-teammates. Does suggest moving away from it in the same post, though.

Did vote LC, and decently early. Almost impossible that Sprit is a Strex

Is pro-INH on day 3. Seems to legitimately be a conclusion he came to. Doubt he would go pretend to ISOread INH as a teammate unless prompted.

Anti-epi around the same time

Soft defense of TSP. Votes for Eloh. Expresses distaste for the TSP lynch, blames it on a gut feeling.

While I don't know Sprit's stance on post gimmicks and cursing people to use them, I do know him. The emotional outburst at Jack on D1, and the vote for Rico... I suspect those are 100% genuine.
I've seen more than one Spritsplosion in my time.

Upon ISO, I cannot condone a vote on Sprit. He's not strex, and if Eloh is the dragon, he's probably not politicians. I doubt w/w with INH.

If he's doing weird thing with the Eloh vote, I guess Boomslang could be politician with him, but I find it very unlikely.

Moderate townread.

Sprit looks worse now. Voted for Eloh. Complained about the TSP lynch. Possible he knew what the plan was for the Tan Man claim.
That removes my biggest barrier to him being politician.

Spoiler: show

Ruling out Epi for Strex and Jack for politicians is less excellent if Quin is pol.

Quin being pol would require copious amounts of pretending not to know how pol works. Is Quin likely to do this?
Moreso, was Neverwhere likely to use the curses like pol has? Timmer wasn't here, and TSP has been around about as long as I have.

Unlikely pol

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:18 pm Says he has more fun playing as Mafia. I'm close to the same way, but I also have fun as a power role.
Haaate being vanilla town.

Willing to protect Rico after blue velvet. Doesn't like votes for Sprit. States WIFOM on Made train, but follows anyway.

Throws some WIFOM on Golden's assessment of his own innocent playstyle.

Guesses that whoever cursed Rico with POPPY would state something publicly against it to distance from the curse.

When asked for reads, INH reiterated in good detail what he thinks of Golden, and also disagrees strongly with Rico's reasons for suspecting INH.

INH makes a rainbow list of people with votes.
INH
Dom
TSP
LC
Golden

Golden is surprisingly low, but he put LC low as well. Then again, I don't think anybody thinks INH is strex.

INH makes good arguments for not being the person who cursed Rico.

INH proposes Boomslang, Sprit, or Eloh instead of the other D2 lynches. Given our suspicion of Eloh, not bad looking.

INH votes for LC for self-defense. Clearly he wasn't really expecting a hit.

INH says he'll look at Epi, TSP, Eloh, and Boomslang.
[?], [Tan Man?], [Politician?], and [scum?] respectively, at least for me.

Continues asking for an actual case on him that doesn't have to do with POPPY or a lack of townreads.

INH mistakes Faceless Lady and LC as being on the same team. Genuine?
He doubles down when Epi gives a cage-y response.

INH gets frustrated with people scumreading him for the stupid curse thing.

INH considers several other people as possible FOLs. Including the people that have been cursed (Which I've been considering as well)

INH talks strategy behind the curses, possibly meant to mislead town.

Rainbow list at that point
INH
Boomslang
JOH
Dom
Sprityo
Timmer
Neverwhere
Wilgy
Lorab
Golden
Speedchuck
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet
Elochin

INH's read on Rico has changed for the worse. Probably due to the tunnelling Rico has been doing.

Votes Eloh. Do people think INH and Eloh are w/w? Makes good arguments there too

Reacts well to the Eloh lynch IMO.

Readlist:
INH
Boomslang
Sprityo
Quin
Speedchuck
JOH
Dom
Wilgy
Golden
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet
Proceeds to answer questions about the readlist in a reasonable manner.

Votes Rico

More of the same for D4.
Guys I think INH is town.

Also screw it I'm not ISOing Rico.

Some good stuff and bad stuff here.
We still need someone who was around to curse people, and INH is technically still in the pool of dwindling suspects for that.
He voted Eloh rather than TSP on the TSP lynch.
He's consistently put TSP low on his readlist, but never made a case against him.
The thinking that LC and Faceless Old Lady are on the same team would require faking ignorance. Not sure, again, if that's the meta.
I forget what the really good arguments were for him not being FOL, but that's what I wrote.

speedchuck
Dr Wilgy (unless he's somehow kevin)
Neverwhere / Replaced Night 3 by Quin
Dom
Ricochet
insertnamehere
sprityo

Boomslang

Quick and dirty rainbow.

Rico is a wild card. I can't read him when he's like this. Dom I felt was town, but I never ISO'd him. If I have the time today, I will, but I'm going out of town.
Wilgy is cecil? Kevin? Someone weigh in on this. Want to make sure.

linki: I think Strex was dead last night, and timmer was the glow cloud according to Jack.
So, pretty likely?

Eloh being not pol and TSP being pol changes my reads. I thought I explained that.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:18 pm Eloh being not pol and TSP being pol changes my reads. I thought I explained that.
i guessed i missed that, my apologies

Spoiler: show

I mean, you still don't suddenly look horrible tone-wise, but the alignments I was relying on to read you have changed. You were always more likely to be TSP's scummate than Eloh's.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:52 pm Ugh I do not feel like figuring all of this out right now.

Between TSP and INH... I've been more consistently bad-feely about INH, but the TSP case has merit. Not lynching Dom today. Wilgy is a possibility that I need to ISO, perhaps tomorrow.

Wait, are Jack and Golden voting for TSP for completely different reasons? Golden thinks he's a politician, Jack thinks he's Marcus. And there's a legit argument for both.

Sure, Vote TSP.
Speed reads supatown to me. I can't help it! But there's little in there for me to rule him out of being politician.

He did theorise Tony could be Strex. He also correctly guessed timmer could be on politicians. Would he have done either of those if pol with them?

But the above vote post for TSP is perhaps... odd. Speed, why is Tony more palatable for a vote simply because Jack's reasons and my reasons were different? (My reason for voting him - he was too concerned about proving he wasn't Marcus rather than proving he wasn't bad - seem to be correct. Should trust my instincts more.)

You had legitimate reason to think TSP was politician, and Jack had reason to think he's Marcus. If a person has a chance of being on both teams, there's a better chance he's on one.
Just some weird statistical thinking, is all. I'd rather vote for a person who has scummy behavior that can fit on either team than a guy who might be politician because of meta-curse reasons.

Please ask any questions you need to ask. I'm out of town till midafternoon tomorrow, but I'll answer before the poll ends.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:58 pm Golden, why do you think speedchuck never followed up on Tony's town reads?

I can answer that if you like.

...

I, uh, forgot.

On another note, Dom's insistence about Sprit makes me think he's the tracker. No way he would lie. Not at this phase. For all Quin's talk about being careful, I'm pretty sure that there's only one politician left, and no strex. With Jack's assurance on timmer, and TSP's lies. Which means, any liar must be willing to take the blame once wrong, and possibly die tomorrow.

So Dom is the tracker. Sprit probably didn't visit anyone last night. He's not the curse-giver. Wilgy is cecil, wouldn't fake it. All three of those are clear.

Down to Rico, INH, and uhhhh Quin. And me.
I don't know what to say to that. INH is the better choice, since he hasn't been cursed and isn't quin/Neverhere. Should I get lynched today, INH needs to go tomorrow probably. Dom can track one of them and see if a kill/curse happens. That will narrow it down.

Does this all sound right?

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:06 pm I didn't think sprit was civ at one point.

I do now, and have for some days.

Oh. Well your declaration made me think you were the tracker.

Of course, you could have tracked him any day, but you're still denying it, so...

Nevermind. Sprit is back on the board. Thanks for the clarification. Unless you would like to explain yourself further.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:25 pm I've come up with a few good reasons why you might be bad.

You said INH is most likely bad?
Why.

Nope. I'm back to sprit.

I said INH is most likely bad because I thought you were claiming tracker. Which ruled out Sprit.
Every other reason for INH is listed in that post. POE.

You don't have to ask me questions I've already answered to try and trip me up. You won't convince me that I'm scum. :P

Oh, and the LD bit.

I doubt it. I very much doubt you are the lie detector.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:46 pm Show me why someone else is bad.

Without using POE?

Because, y'know, I've made several POE analysis posts since daystart.

I mean, if you're a lie detector (and a stingy one), try this: I had no idea what Wilgy would be cursed today. I did not curse him. I did not visit him in any way, shape, or form last night.

My arguments today have been based on alignment with other players, statements that don't make sense, and POE. I don't do tonereads. I can't read tone.
I don't know what you want from me.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:59 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:48 am In the heart of hearts, here is my ranking, from most likely to least likely to be politician:

Speedchuck
Dom
Ricochet
INH
Sprityo

All five of these people could be. I'm leaving out Wilgy, Quin and Boomslang who I simply don't believe can be at all. I'll also note that I have each of Dom, Rico and Sprit penciled in to specific roles, but not speedchuck or INH.
Why'd I make timmer the center of discussion, if I'm a politician?
Why would I undermine the strategy of my teammate?

Aye, this. I haven't even been considering Dom for the status of politician.

Could somebody update me on why Sprit is apparently confirmed town?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:01 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:51 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:58 pm Golden, why do you think speedchuck never followed up on Tony's town reads?
I can answer that if you like.

...

I, uh, forgot.

bullsuit.

I'm one of the least likely to be politician, but you put me yellow on your rainbow?

You're talking every way out of your ass.

Dude. You don't have to be a dick.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:40 am Rolling the dice was never in your favor, perhaps if you had payed more attention you would've realized this

If you're talking to me, I don't know what you mean. But I guess I'm done, so

. Perhaps someone could look at my lynch advice tomorrow when their heads are a modicum further out of their rectums. Thanks.

Since I'm probably out of the game, I'll tell you why I was lower effort and not super-hard scumhunting this game, Sprit.

I spend a decent amount of time on my breaks at work looking at the game. During my lunch break, and so on. But one of the guys on my team, a real annoyance, decided without prompting to help me automate a 1 minute process. For convenience.

That automation has taken the last week and a half of him sitting at my desk, over my shoulder, guiding me to recreate the entire effing system for the smallest amount of convenience. I got only the smallest of breaks to catch up on the game, because this guy doesn't eat lunch. I have basically had a coworker over the shoulder for almost two weeks, one that will absolutely call me out for slacking on my unclassified computer.

If I seem frustrated, that's part of the reason. Anyone picking me apart for not keeping notes and following up on everything perfectly is just piss in the wind. The worst part is that we're testing his automated system when we get back to work, and if it doesn't work, this whole thing starts over again.

Nah, it's cool, Dom. :P I'm just not used to being dismissed so... vehemently.

Thanks for letting me vent a bit, though. I have been having a lot of fun this game, despite my coworker problems.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:32 pm
speedchuck wrote:

So, Wilgy, why did you vote for Rico?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:40 am Rolling the dice was never in your favor

Still want to know what this means.

Also, my indignant getting-lynched snark might have seemed a bit more aggressive than I meant to be. Sorry if I made anyone feel uncomfortable.

Like I always say to my fellow Overwatch players: "Is game. Why you be mad?"

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