Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [ENDGAME]

[DrWilgy]

Scruffy never seen you round here before.

[sprityo]

I'm perfectly fine with being lynched today since it will only confirm things I've been saying

I do have a question for everyone though, how likely is it that TSP was aligned with timmer?

[sprityo]

I have the cards stacked against me it would seem afterall and I can only do so much aside from try and help you guys figure out who is the politicians

[speedchuck]

speedchuck
Dr Wilgy (unless he's somehow kevin)
Neverwhere / Replaced Night 3 by Quin
Dom
Ricochet
insertnamehere
sprityo

Boomslang

Quick and dirty rainbow.

Rico is a wild card. I can't read him when he's like this. Dom I felt was town, but I never ISO'd him. If I have the time today, I will, but I'm going out of town.
Wilgy is cecil? Kevin? Someone weigh in on this. Want to make sure.

linki: I think Strex was dead last night, and timmer was the glow cloud according to Jack.
So, pretty likely?

[DrWilgy]

I'm perfectly fine with being lynched today since it will only confirm things I've been saying

I do have a question for everyone though, how likely is it that Robot Devil was aligned with timmer?

M'k, Scruffy would like to change is vote to the one eyed alien gal.

[sprityo]

I'm perfectly fine with being lynched today since it will only confirm things I've been saying

I do have a question for everyone though, how likely is it that Robot Devil was aligned with timmer?

M'k, Scruffy would like to change is vote to the one eyed alien gal.

What?

[sprityo]

Please someone help, what is wilgy cursed with?

[sprityo]

Dom - 2 votes (Golden, Epignosis)

DFaraday - 1 vote (TonyStarkPrime)

Dr Wilgy - 2 votes (DFaraday, Long Con)

Golden - 1 vote (DrWilgy)

Made - 4 votes (insertnamehere, Neverwhere/Quin, speedchuck, Boomslang)

Ricochet - 3 votes (sprityo, Made, Lorab)

speedchuck - 1 vote (Elohcin)

sprityo - 1 vote (Jackofhearts2005)

Abstaining: Timmer, nutella, Ricochet, Dom

Dom Voters: Golden, Dom, Elohcin

Golden Voters: Jackofhearts2005

insertnamehere Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Ricochet, Epignosis

Long Con Voters: speedchuck, LoRab, sprityo, insertnamehere

TonyStarkPrime Voters: Boomslang

Abstaining: Timmer, DFaraday, DrWilgy, Long Con, Neverwhere/Quin

Elohcin Voters: sprityo, insertnamehere

insertnamehere Voters: Ricochet, Epignosis

TonyStarkPrime Voters: Golden, Boomslang, speedchuck, LoRab, Jackofhearts2005, Elohcin

Abstaining: Timmer, DrWilgy, Neverwhere/Quin, TonyStarkPrime, Dom

Boomslang Voters: speedchuck

Epignosis Voters: Jackofhearts2005

insertnamehere Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Ricochet

Jackofhearts2005 Voters: Golden, DrWilgy, Boomslang

Ricochet Voters: sprityo, insertnamehere, Quin

Abstaining: Dom, Epignosis

Boomslang Voters: Dom, DrWilgy, speedchuck, Ricochet

Epignosis Voters: TonyStarkPrime, insertnamehere, sprityo, Boomslang

Abstaining: Epignosis, Quin

Black is unconfirmed
Dark Green is confirmed town
Orange is presumed town but dead
Red is Politicians
Yellow is Strex
Light Green is my personal assumption to be town

Also I'd like to remind everyone of this and encourage they try filling it out with what they think is what

[Ricochet]

Hmph.

Scruffy knows what we should do, but no one ever ask ol' Scruffy. We'll need to lynch the emotion poster or life will continue like this forever.

You have until 10PM EST SUNDAY

[sprityo]

If golden is already dead, do you think he could tell us his role?

[sprityo]

As in if it's allowed

[sprityo]

I look forward to Golden's analysis of Speedchuck and INH

Particularly Speedchuck since I can't shake some gut feeling that he's been off this game.


And if you're all dead set on lynching me I highly encourage also looking elsewhere since we have 48 hours to discuss

[Golden]

I can't break the rules, but I already told you to do something that will make my role very apparent if you do it. I'm only here for a day, and not much more of it at that, so make sure my contribution isn't talking into the wind.

Also, sprit, if you're not bad it's probably speedchuck, so I'd turn my attention there. I think I'm legitimately the only person to seriously contemplate the idea, and I died that same night.

Ricos list is important. If tony is politician, and it's hard to see how he wouldn't be given how happy he was to be considered independent, then the politicians almost certainly consists of one of sprit, speed, inh or rico.

[Golden]

Tony voted inh on both days two and four, in both cases inh was seriously at risk of lynching.

On day two, Tony voted very late to tie it between inh and LC, but he would have known inh still had a vote to self-protect if they were a team. His decision to wait could have been to see if LC would show to self-protect... it would have been a risky teammate play, but possible to create distance.

Day four is more problematic though. There was every chance inh came out of that day dead, and immediately after losing timmer. Overall, the voting pattern isn't particularly compatible with a tony/inh pairing.

To Jack - I note, in death, that my plan to tie and catch Marcus actually worked, with Epis non-vote, even though I was wrong about Epi. I'm sorry you died for it!

[sprityo]

It's a good think then that we have one more day to figure this out

A mislynvh today would leave us at 6 tomorrow so at a 3:2:1 possibly. In that case that means that Tan Jacket could side with the politicians, if tony really was hiram then we've for sure got an extra day. In either case the independent is something we have to consider.

It's times like these in which I enjoy the No Lynch options, but it'd appear we can't do that

[sprityo]

Oh right it was said boomslang is more than likely Tan Jacket. And I think someone said that it supports TSP being hiram because he never denied being Tan Jacket

[Golden]

Correct. He also implied he controlled the choice of Elo to die when he survived his lynch, which checks out since she was third in votes accounting for Epis vote for inh that day. So, he does appear to be a role with secrets, and that points straight to Hiram.

[sprityo]

TonyStarkPrime

The Man in the Tan Jacket

Hiram McDaniels

Elohcin

Kevin

Cecil Palmer

Dr Wilgy

Kevin

Cecil Palmer

Rico, I know for a fact that the real Cecil is alive

Eloh was Kevin 100%

[sprityo]

So yeah then that points us to a 4:1:1 game where we can afford a mislynch

I can agree with you that Dom and Quin look very town in how they've been playing.

And I too want to look into Speedchuck

[sprityo]

Do you find anything incriminating about Speedchuck changing stances of myself? I know he had suspected me early, backed off, and now that you're here I'm straight to the bottom of his list again.

[speedchuck]

Eloh being not pol and TSP being pol changes my reads. I thought I explained that.

[Golden]

Do you find anything incriminating about Speedchuck changing stances of myself? I know he had suspected me early, backed off, and now that you're here I'm straight to the bottom of his list again.

Im not one to find changed stances incriminating. A civilian should constantly rethink their perspective. But I haven't looked at speed more broadly yet, and his interactions with tony may be key (yours too)

[sprityo]

Eloh being not pol and TSP being pol changes my reads. I thought I explained that.

i guessed i missed that, my apologies

[sprityo]

Dom - 2 votes (Golden, Epignosis)

DFaraday - 1 vote (TonyStarkPrime)

Dr Wilgy - 2 votes (DFaraday, Long Con)

Golden - 1 vote (DrWilgy)

Made - 4 votes (insertnamehere, Neverwhere/Quin, speedchuck, Boomslang)

Ricochet - 3 votes (sprityo, Made, Lorab)

speedchuck - 1 vote (Elohcin)

sprityo - 1 vote (Jackofhearts2005)

Abstaining: Timmer, nutella, Ricochet, Dom

Dom Voters: Golden, Dom, Elohcin

Golden Voters: Jackofhearts2005

insertnamehere Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Ricochet, Epignosis

Long Con Voters: speedchuck, LoRab, sprityo, insertnamehere

TonyStarkPrime Voters: Boomslang

Abstaining: Timmer, DFaraday, DrWilgy, Long Con, Neverwhere/Quin

Elohcin Voters: sprityo, insertnamehere

insertnamehere Voters: Ricochet, Epignosis

TonyStarkPrime Voters: Golden, Boomslang, speedchuck, LoRab, Jackofhearts2005, Elohcin

Abstaining: Timmer, DrWilgy, Neverwhere/Quin, TonyStarkPrime, Dom

Boomslang Voters: speedchuck

Epignosis Voters: Jackofhearts2005

insertnamehere Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Ricochet

Jackofhearts2005 Voters: Golden, DrWilgy, Boomslang

Ricochet Voters: sprityo, insertnamehere, Quin

Abstaining: Dom, Epignosis

Boomslang Voters: Dom, DrWilgy, speedchuck, Ricochet

Epignosis Voters: TonyStarkPrime, insertnamehere, sprityo, Boomslang

Abstaining: Epignosis, Quin

Black is unconfirmed
Dark Green is confirmed town
Orange is presumed town but dead
Red is Politicians
Yellow is Strex
Brown is Indi

Light Green is MY personal assumption to be town

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Updated Chart

[speedchuck]

Eloh being not pol and TSP being pol changes my reads. I thought I explained that.

i guessed i missed that, my apologies

Spoiler: show

Updating ISOs

Sprit was not that useful D1.

Possible w/w with Boomslang on D1 interactions.

D2 Sprit stayed outside of the Dom/Golden spat and said he saw the lynch as a choice between them. Possibly a way to narrow the lynch to two non-teammates. Does suggest moving away from it in the same post, though.

Did vote LC, and decently early. Almost impossible that Sprit is a Strex

Is pro-INH on day 3. Seems to legitimately be a conclusion he came to. Doubt he would go pretend to ISOread INH as a teammate unless prompted.

Anti-epi around the same time

Soft defense of TSP. Votes for Eloh. Expresses distaste for the TSP lynch, blames it on a gut feeling.

While I don't know Sprit's stance on post gimmicks and cursing people to use them, I do know him. The emotional outburst at Jack on D1, and the vote for Rico... I suspect those are 100% genuine.
I've seen more than one Spritsplosion in my time.


Upon ISO, I cannot condone a vote on Sprit. He's not strex, and if Eloh is the dragon, he's probably not politicians. I doubt w/w with INH.

If he's doing weird thing with the Eloh vote, I guess Boomslang could be politician with him, but I find it very unlikely.

Moderate townread.

Sprit looks worse now. Voted for Eloh. Complained about the TSP lynch. Possible he knew what the plan was for the Tan Man claim.
That removes my biggest barrier to him being politician.

I mean, you still don't suddenly look horrible tone-wise, but the alignments I was relying on to read you have changed. You were always more likely to be TSP's scummate than Eloh's.

[Golden]

You and mayyybe Speedchuck are the people I could see having cursed right now.

INH, on night 2 you fingered epi and speedchuck as the ones most likely to have been responsible for the cursing. Do you remember why you saw them as more likely?

[sprityo]

That removes my biggest barrier to him being politician.

I mean, you still don't suddenly look horrible tone-wise, but the alignments I was relying on to read you have changed. You were always more likely to be TSP's scummate than Eloh's.
[/quote]

i read the first quote as im more likely to be politician

i misinterpreted it

[sprityo]

>formatting OP

[Golden]

Tony was always going to survive his lynch, and he came out of it with a very clear belief that Elo was bad which suggests the team had info.
Given this, what looks more incriminating...

Sprityo - complaining against a Tony lynch, and voting Elo (correctly voting a baddie, would believe he would get some cred after Elo's death, but risks backlash if Tony dies the next day); or

Speedchuck - voting for Tony at a critical juncture. A functional distance with low risk, given Tony survives and has a plan to look civilian in the aftermath, but speedchuck is protected with the distance if Tony still gets lynched the next day...

Both are functional teammate plays.

[Golden]

Sprit, have you gone back and done what I said people should do in my earliest return posts yet? Have you got my role sorted?

[sprityo]

what of INH?

Do you suspect Rico in even the craziest circumstances? Rico was cursed, so he's not likely but not a 5% possibility i could rule out


Also worth mentioning is that Dana is still. based on whose died

linki: sorry no, i finally got on my laptop instead of my phone, ill watch it now

[sprityo]

oh, yeah i didnt even need to watch your video

[sprityo]

is that the video you sent in for the PM at the beginning of the game?

man if that was the case i shouldve picked a different song instead of the one i liked a lot

[sprityo]

While I try to find where this adorable puppy came from, I bring you the double weather:

if no one understood this reference (via the night vale wikia)

[sprityo]

not sure if its significant or not, but i wanted to put it out there

[Golden]

Always be wise when the host gets you to do something. You just never know how relevant it might be.

[insertnamehere]

You and mayyybe Speedchuck are the people I could see having cursed right now.

INH, on night 2 you fingered epi and speedchuck as the ones most likely to have been responsible for the cursing. Do you remember why you saw them as more likely?

Both were around a decent length in Blue Velvet. Epi was adamantly against Rico's Poppy-posting, and I thought he perhaps doth protest too much. Speed was more or less indifferent to Rico's behavior in that game, and it surprised me that no one was throwing his name around as a possible FOW.

I'm still not sold on it being someone from Blue Velvet 100%, as it's easily possible for someone to have heard about Rico's schtick and just re-used it to frame a certain group of users.

[Ricochet]

You and mayyybe Speedchuck are the people I could see having cursed right now.

INH, on night 2 you fingered epi and speedchuck as the ones most likely to have been responsible for the cursing. Do you remember why you saw them as more likely?

Both were around a decent length in Blue Velvet. Epi was adamantly against Rico's Poppy-posting, and I thought he perhaps doth protest too much. Speed was more or less indifferent to Rico's behavior in that game, and it surprised me that no one was throwing his name around as a possible FOW.

I'm still not sold on it being someone from Blue Velvet 100%, as it's easily possible for someone to have heard about Rico's schtick and just re-used it to frame a certain group of users.

[Ricochet]

Rico, I know for a fact that the real Cecil is alive

Eloh was Kevin 100%

[Golden]

I'm thinking that Rico has something on INH and can't share it because rules if there is anything. Or maybe he has something on Golden and is pairing the two. I haven't been town reading INH, but I think he is right about the curse, it looks like a frame.

This reads like a teammate sort of but not really defending a teammate. You're basically saying that Rico might have info, INH hasn't seemed civvie, but really, this means INH is right and not bad.

Neither you nor INH looks all that good based on this post.

Alternate reading: He knows I'm most likely civilian, and is securing "I-told-you-so" insurance if I'm lynched. These kinds of wishy-washy statements give him rhetorical cover whichever way the wind blows.

Rainbow list incoming.

An interesting exchange. Unfortunately, another I can tinfoil both ways. LoRab seeing a real teammate, or INH spot on about Tony's false motives? It's worth noting, inh also voted elo the same day sprit did, and this despite this particular phrasing around Tony... I'm paying attention to INH's day 3 carefully now.

[Golden]

Elo, you're the person who has pushed the curse narrative that I feel the Politician team would want to push the most, and you haven't responded in any real way to criticism of the "curses reference BV and Rot3K, so FOW must have been in both" rationale. Instead, you ignore contrary opinions while blending into the proverbial pack.

That's why you're at the bottom of my rainbow list, and you're the person I'd be most comfortable seeing go today.

INH says this very late in the day, after voting elo. Tony's narrative was always Elo as Strex, but INH's logic is all elo as politician, which is not only incorrect but INH would know that fact if he was one himself. Once again, for INH to be bad, he'd be playing with a certain level of constructed deviousness which would be both scary good in one sense but also entirely unnecessary in another. If he knew Elo was dying and had info she was bad,
why limit himself to politician here? The behaviour he was seeing seems valid just as a general statement of seeming bad. Instead, it feels like genuine politician hunting here.

[Golden]

Interns, today no intern may place a 4th vote on any player. Any votes placed 4th will not count.

I took this to mean that only the person who was the fourth to vote for a person had their vote invalidated, and that people who voted after them would have legit votes.

@Niju, was I wrong?

That sucks on multiple levels. I didn't miss something did I? Tony was definitely leading on the poll?

Yep. Tony had 6 votes, and Elo had 2.

That's why we need confirmation whether Tony had 3 or 5 votes actually count against him.

POSSIBLE VOTE MANIP SCENARIOS:

Tony = Dana and survived his first kill attempt.
Me or Sprit is Marcus.

I sure as shit am not Marcus.

Interns, today no intern may place a 4th vote on any player. Any votes placed 4th will not count.

I took this to mean that only the person who was the fourth to vote for a person had their vote invalidated, and that people who voted after them would have legit votes.

@Niju, was I wrong?

Really lady? Fuckfuckfuck.

There's no lynch stop except for Dana. Cecil's role couldn't have targeted anyone, therefore Khoshekh couldn't be involved. So, only half of the votes counted against Tony actually counted. And Sprityo is Marcus. That's the only feasible scenario, looking at the roles.

Possibly secrets, or a fake death-claim or something like that.

Fuck.

This stuff feels genuine as heck and not like a Tony teammate...

Yeah, with votes and iso, I'm leaning once again heavily away from inh as the solution.

Unfortunately, I won't have much more PC time, so for anything else I do it's on phone. That makes this level of quoting from iso impossible.
But I'll try to look at speed and sprit.

[Golden]

A note on Rico - it's not impossible that his steadfast refusal to use words may be a role limitation. If so, he's Hiram. It seems unlikely, because he's using blobs that he likes. But Hiram apparently tries to pretend to be human but is obviously not.

Chances that rico just happens to get a role that allows him to act enigmatically? Low. I don't think much of this theory. But I can't rule it out.
I still wish Rico would do something else now that we're at endgame. At least G-Man started using Memes with words in.

[Ricochet]

A note on Rico - it's not impossible that his steadfast refusal to use words may be a role limitation. If so, he's Hiram. It seems unlikely, because he's using blobs that he likes. But Hiram apparently tries to pretend to be human but is obviously not.

Chances that rico just happens to get a role that allows him to act enigmatically? Low. I don't think much of this theory. But I can't rule it out.
I still wish Rico would do something else now that we're at endgame. At least G-Man started using Memes with words in.

[Golden]

Ugh I do not feel like figuring all of this out right now.

Between TSP and INH... I've been more consistently bad-feely about INH, but the TSP case has merit. Not lynching Dom today. Wilgy is a possibility that I need to ISO, perhaps tomorrow.

Wait, are Jack and Golden voting for TSP for completely different reasons? Golden thinks he's a politician, Jack thinks he's Marcus. And there's a legit argument for both.

Sure, Vote TSP.

Speed reads supatown to me. I can't help it! But there's little in there for me to rule him out of being politician.

He did theorise Tony could be Strex. He also correctly guessed timmer could be on politicians. Would he have done either of those if pol with them?


But the above vote post for TSP is perhaps... odd. Speed, why is Tony more palatable for a vote simply because Jack's reasons and my reasons were different? (My reason for voting him - he was too concerned about proving he wasn't Marcus rather than proving he wasn't bad - seem to be correct. Should trust my instincts more.)

[Golden]

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

so what does that mean for tony?

It looks better, but not great. TSP could have (if I remember correctly) been on either mafia team. Now if he's mafia, he'd have to be on the politicians I think. And the politician argument for TSP was weaker than the Strex argument. But it was there.

I'll have to go back and look, and that sounds like a Monday thing.

This post is a great look for speed - an analysis of tony in the aftermath of the first glance view that elo was Kevin, before the wisdom was Hiram. This doesn't read like a tony teammate.

Also, something that looks good on speed is that he has spent the game up to that point overtly town hunting, not just baddie hunting. That feels like someone who wants town to win.

[speedchuck]

Ugh I do not feel like figuring all of this out right now.

Between TSP and INH... I've been more consistently bad-feely about INH, but the TSP case has merit. Not lynching Dom today. Wilgy is a possibility that I need to ISO, perhaps tomorrow.

Wait, are Jack and Golden voting for TSP for completely different reasons? Golden thinks he's a politician, Jack thinks he's Marcus. And there's a legit argument for both.

Sure, Vote TSP.

Speed reads supatown to me. I can't help it! But there's little in there for me to rule him out of being politician.

He did theorise Tony could be Strex. He also correctly guessed timmer could be on politicians. Would he have done either of those if pol with them?


But the above vote post for TSP is perhaps... odd. Speed, why is Tony more palatable for a vote simply because Jack's reasons and my reasons were different? (My reason for voting him - he was too concerned about proving he wasn't Marcus rather than proving he wasn't bad - seem to be correct. Should trust my instincts more.)

You had legitimate reason to think TSP was politician, and Jack had reason to think he's Marcus. If a person has a chance of being on both teams, there's a better chance he's on one.
Just some weird statistical thinking, is all. I'd rather vote for a person who has scummy behavior that can fit on either team than a guy who might be politician because of meta-curse reasons.

Please ask any questions you need to ask. I'm out of town till midafternoon tomorrow, but I'll answer before the poll ends.

[Boomslang]

Hey, boom. Do you think the game would end if we lynched the last politician today?

I'm not 100% sure that'd be the case, but I'd be willing to put money on it. More likely than not.

[Quin]

I look forward to Golden's analysis of Speedchuck and INH

Particularly Speedchuck since I can't shake some gut feeling that he's been off this game.


And if you're all dead set on lynching me I highly encourage also looking elsewhere since we have 48 hours to discuss

Is anyone dead set on lynching you?

[Dom]

No one hsould be lynching sprityo because sprityo didn't curse anyone.

Keep in mind, we're looking for the No Faced Woman. That ain't sprit.

Speedchuck is my best guess at the last pol.

Ricochet-- I apologize for forgetting your curse that barely impeded your communication because you have all but made communication impossible in this game.