The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:58 pm Timmer is Jack's partner

Excuse me? Because I'm asking for your proof of Jack's badness?

For the moment, I've moved my vote to sprit.

I have no major read of my own there, but the cop situation is now a mess and I'm not touching any of them. And Luna's posts on day 2 do support her claim at first glance.

@DH, which is it? Did he say "way less" to you than the other cops, or did he say such n such and this and that?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:04 pm Lynch Jack. Or don't, and lynch a civ. That's up to yall.

JFC dude, tell me ONE thing he has told you that doesn't add up. One.

And for the record, I've trusted you all game. I'm here willing to trust you, but just give me one little example of how what he is saying can't be true.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:06 pm "I'm not Jack's teammate I'm just voting to save him while ignoring the confirmed civ telling me he's bad" Wow ok Timmer great point.

Who is a confirmed civ?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:10 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:09 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:06 pm "I'm not Jack's teammate I'm just voting to save him while ignoring the confirmed civ telling me he's bad" Wow ok Timmer great point.

Who is a confirmed civ?

Me lol.

How's that? Yes, you have a cop vouching for you, but with redirections etc. I wouldn't say anything is confirmed. But I trust you, I have all game!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:11 pm My gut reaction is that if one of our cops is lying, it's poutanko. I'm not sure I think any of our cops are lying, but luna's claim is batshit insane if she's bad, and Jack's behavior, now that it's been explained, seems to make perfect sense if he's a cop trying to lay low.

poutanko's claim was proven FALSE. That puts poutanko as the weak cop link, for me. But I'm not voting for any of them. My vote stays on sprit and I'm getting back to my job.

Ugh now I'm going to get in trouble here at work ffs lol...

DH, tell me ONE FUCKING THING jack said that is wrong? All I'm hearing from you is that you think there can't be 3 cops, and you are ignoring that one of the others has had their claimed results proven false. Tell me SOMETHING beyond just that "there can be only 2 cops". I trust you, but I can't even see a single reason you've listed beyond "he must be lying?"

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:27 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:26 pm Ugh now I'm going to get in trouble here at work ffs lol...

DH, tell me ONE FUCKING THING jack said that is wrong? All I'm hearing from you is that you think there can't be 3 cops, and you are ignoring that one of the others has had their claimed results proven false. Tell me SOMETHING beyond just that "there can be only 2 cops". I trust you, but I can't even see a single reason you've listed beyond "he must be lying?"

You can go back to work if you want I don't wanna get you in trouble on the same day I lynched your partner.

JFC, you are delusional at this point if you think I'm bad.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:29 pm

There can be more than one divination user according to DDL. In the unlikely scenario that three players have it, I would bet that at least one of them is scum, and using it to make fake claims. Either Pout or Jack.

Exactly. And poutanko claimed a result that has been proven FALSE. So why Jack? DH can't explain it. And I'm never going to listen to someone bcause he types in caps. I trust you. I trust DH. But I don't trust his case until he tells me why Jack is more likely bad thana cop whose result has been proven false.

I'm voting for any claimed cop today.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:38 pm I am going to get Nightkilled for handing you all *another* baddie on a fucking plate and you don't want him lol ok good and cool.

You haven't provided a single reason that coming from another player, YOU would find trustworthy.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:56 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:53 pm @DharmaHelper I think there's a chance that you've misread Jack. Is that possible?

No. Not possible.



I'm going to go make lunch. You lynch Jack today or we lose a civ, that's up to you guys. I wouldn't out a civilian cop. If you all refuse to believe me, then you deserve to lose it really is that simple.

And this is why I walk from mafia for long periods.

You haven't made a good case. Don't say shit like that to the rest of us. Deal with your own shit.

dh, are any of the results Jack gave you unique, as in he is the only one commenting on their alignment? Or are they all peple who have been mentioned by other cops, etc. previously?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:12 pm Here’s a question though: why does scum poutanko cop Speed as bad knowing it’s wrong?

To save Quin, presumably, wasn't Quin the one up against speed?

If there are 2 baddies left and it is Quin and poutanko, it may have seemed like a worthy gambit, and indeed, it would seemto have worked, until now?

It's a mess.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I'm really unsure of things, but I'm not seeing sprit getting lynched, so I've moved my vote.

Here's my final thoughts.

1. DH wouldn't do what he did today without a reason.

2. Poutanko had a bad read, yes, but I can tell you that DDL is hazy as fuck about whether some actions worked like you think, so it's plausible.

3. Jack seems to have no unique result to speak of, which is a very convenient sign ofa baddie using thread info for false claims.

And Christ DH, get off of that.

juliets is reading the thread. Juliets, I think you should tie this lynch up.

I hope you have more than you let on, DH. I'm not moving my vote at this point.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:38 pm Oh shit wait

Excuse me?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:50 pm Too hot hot damn call the police and the fire man.

Damn, son.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:54 pm Anyone think Nutella looks bad for jumping all over the joint then landing on an invincible Jack? Or nah?

Makes more sense to not get lynched and not reveal the horcrux. I'd say nah.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:58 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:55 pm wow, good one DH. So does the Horcrux still protect Jack or was it a one use thing? I'm just super dumb this game.

tons of linki

It protects him until we find his teammate is how I read it.

So what was your thing against Timmer about?

Tone read him as a teammate pissed/confused that Jack got outted.

Couldn't be that I wanted a damn case beyond trust me? Where does my vote sit me with you now?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:23 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:22 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:58 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:55 pm wow, good one DH. So does the Horcrux still protect Jack or was it a one use thing? I'm just super dumb this game.

tons of linki

It protects him until we find his teammate is how I read it.

So what was your thing against Timmer about?

Tone read him as a teammate pissed/confused that Jack got outted.

Couldn't be that I wanted a damn case beyond trust me? Where does my vote sit me with you now?

Tone read as in past tense. You look OK-ish now. If you knew he'd survive IDK if you'd piss down my back as much.

I gambled on your meta, here. When I realized that you weren't going to say more but also not let up, I just thought there's no way you would do this for a baddie teammate poutanko.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:57 pm @timmer i implore you not to vig kill me, but i understand if you do.

now whether to use my potion or my portrait tonight

maybe a spell

linki: go away baddie

You voted for the same person I did. Why are you so certain I'm going to vig you? Besides, I'm pretty sure I've had more luck using my other thing so I'm likely going to stick with that. I don't trust myself to kill right now.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:35 pm Hey BTW if anyone does have a kill Jack's teammate is keeping him alive. So like, find that fucker and then boom get em.

I'm very reluctant. Since I'm outed, what are the odds I'm redirected, at this point? My other thing is safer if that happens.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:22 pm Remember when we were about to lynch a cop and I said Nah lets lynch a mafia instead wow lol wild what a game


I love you guys.

You are the greatest, lol.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:18 pm nutella, poutanko, sprityo, timmer
GOOD

DH
GOD

Rest
SHOOT

I kind of love this post.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:25 pm Galaxy Brain theory:

If you can't die or be lynched as long as one of your teammates is alive, do you Fake-Cop clear that teammate and then call DharmaHelper up to get him to back off of that teammate?

If they were going to be lynched, which removes the players mega powerful horcrux? Maybe. Ordinarily I'd say no but that horcrux is a big thing to protect.

Hey all, it's a body part grinding night apparently, I'll be catching up at some point tomorrow. Mayyyybe later tonight if I'm awake enough!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:40 pm Jack - "What if I claimed cop and cleared a buncha civs lol dope right?"
Timmer - "What if I claimed to be a vig that never killed anyone lol"

Just catching up, but I vigged Kara.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:43 pm Galaxy Brain -

Lynch Jack today, Check Colin and protect the cops.

Like... pass on the lynch since we know Jack won't die? That's an odd strategy since we don't know if the baddies have fuck around powers left ?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:27 pm Before you frivolously and reactively vote for sprityo can you explain the fact that he voted for Jack in a 5 v 4 lynch?

We may need to check the timing on this. Iirc sprit and I both voted for jack around the same time, and I believe jack was down by 2 votes when sprit voted and then I brought him to within one of a tie. Sprit's vote MAY have been a partner gambit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:56 pm nutella deletes the people.

then timmer grinds them into chunks.

Some quick thoughts before bed because I have another double tomorrow.

Pout got a bad read on bullz. If he was tampered with that night, would he have been tampered with again the very next night? I doubt it, he didn't even claim cop until later so...

By that rationale, either pout is civ and so is colin. Or pout is bad, which go either way on colin?

As for sprit, I'd at least consider a lynch there but can people who know glorf please reiterate how rock solid his meta is... like, there is NO WAY he was bad? None? Because juliets is awful quiet, but it seems like glorfs meta is a complete gimme?

Why? Pissed off because you had been fooled ? Pissed because someone won by manipulating their meta?

Oh, no worries, just curious.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:21 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:14 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:24 am damn it but what if sprityo really did bus for the credit augh

but no, once he actually started playing his tone throughout everything is super genuine

I think he did. Mac says he wouldn’t do it but look back at Retro.

Retro was a completely different game to be fair

The difference of having a lot of people wanting to lynch Luna versus a tie in which I vote early, hop off pout and onto jack. Like the amount of chance I would need to have both Nutella and timmer vote for jack over pout is high. Essentially what I’m saying is, why jump off pout who was 6-2 at the time to buss jack?

But isn't that sort of the point? Your move to jack probably seemed safe because getting 2 more votes that late could seem like a risk worth taking?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:31 pm
What if divination is just bullshit like in the lore and Pout is actually refusing to use it?

Even though this post came from Jack, it brings up the point that a baddie pout could have simply lied about being obliviated. It would make him not have to worry about cop claims anymore. Just saying.

For now, I'm voting sprit. I can't see a civvie cop pout getting results scrambled 2 nights in a row before even claiming cop, so that helps Colin. And sprit's Jack vote coming where it did could definitely be a partner gambit.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:01 pm But guys...

Before Jack got dunked on he wanted everyone to lynch Pout.

Yeah, pout is in the mid-tier of potential baddie partners for me, behind Colin and sprit for sure.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:20 pm That’s dumb????

I don’t know that pout is town, I’m operating under that it’s stupid for it to have been two mafia up for lynching


Why in the fresh hell would both mafia claim cop???????

Like if I could jump to conclusions as far as you can I’d be able to vault the Grand Canyon

That's part of the reason he isn't at the top of my list of potentials, dude.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:00 pm Luna and Pout can you dump all your cop reveals please? I know DH put a stop to this last time but I don't see why we don't just share everything at this point because I have done some stuff that you'd have to be crazy to think I am scum for that can be corroborated by living players.

Right Timmer?

Hmm... Mac has moved to the top of my civ list. I was wondering about that

At this point I full trust Mac.

I fairly strongly trust DH based on his play.

I'm pretty sure I trust Luna.

On the other end I don't trust sprit. Colin has points for and against him.

Everyone else is in the middle. I'll be busy for the rest of today.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:51 pm Well sprityo what did you do?

ive done nothing except oh idk, lynch jack yesterday

anything specific you want to know?

I'm pretty sure the accurate statement would be that DH lynched Jack, lol, not you.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:11 pm I don't really like my vote on Mac, but I don't know who to move it to now. Help.

Also @poutanko why are you voting for me?

I'd like to just say here that Mac is a near-guaranteed civ imho. He did something earlier in the game that only a civ would do, no two ways about it. I'm not going to say what, though. But... anyone who trusts me should also trust Mac, at this point.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:06 pm
I get that mac looks town, but who's bad then?

I'll try to rank (I generally hate rainbow lists etc.)

In order of badness

1. Sprityo
2. Colin

big gap

3. poutanko

gap

4. nutella
5. juliets 2.0

big gap

6. Luna
7. DH
8. Mac

I guess I've never really laid out a big case supporting her, but I feel like she's played a pro-town game all game, provided reads, cop results that don't seem all fucky-uppy... basically if there is a serious case against her, I'll need to seriously reread it because I'm not seeing it.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:26 pm
I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:50 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:23 pmbasically if there is a serious case against her, I'll need to seriously reread it because I'm not seeing it.

Someone mentioned this before:
She voted Glorf and stayed on him during LC v Glorf wagon near EoD3.
Voted me and stayed during Jack v me wagon EoD5.

Luna stayed on you but so did sloonei and Colin. And as for long con, didn't his team probably know he would survive? That allows people to vote in unexpected ways.

I suppose that's enough to bump Luna a smidge higher on my list, as in I'd add a small gap between her and dh but I'd need more than that to vote her at this time.