Hogwarts Mafia - END

[nutella]

Yo I just bought these cool peanut butters for my shakes that I've been drinking and they're good.

[Lunalee]

By the by Lunalee voted against both successful scum wagons.

#jusayin

Yes, yes I did. I also was in indecisive mess over the Jack/Poutanko lynch. It could have gone either way for me.

Yes so given you have been wrong a lot, don't you think quoting posts from days ago where I ended up wrong is a bit how's ya father?

You're right. Something can look bad and either be a scum doing their thing, trying to clear a teammate, or save them from lynch, or a townie not knowing alignments and making stupid defenses.

I'm going to call out anything I see for us to discuss. You may not be scum, but I don't know that, and would rather talk about the reasons you might be bad in order to condemn or clear you.

[nutella]

So anyway who remembers DFS when sprityo hard bussed both his teammates and then conceded LOL absolutely wild amirite

[ColinIsCool]

N1: Wingardium Epignosis
N2: Demiguise Jay (nothing)
N3: Thunderbird
N4: Demiguide timmer (failed, notified by DDL)
N5: Wingardium Jack (no notification but apparently blocked)

On top of that I used canary cream once, I think on poutanko but I’ll have to double check. I Nifflered Ravenclaw and got BTSC with kara who never showed.

[ColinIsCool]

Yeah, Canary Cream poutanko, which I think would have targeted Owner and Quin.

[ColinIsCool]

Y’all can believe me or not. I have really no idea who it would be if not sprit so if the wagon comes back round my way you know what to do

[MacDougall]

Well sprityo what did you do?

[sprityo]

Well sprityo what did you do?

ive done nothing except oh idk, lynch jack yesterday

anything specific you want to know?

[sprityo]

im fully prepared to just die and laugh because im getting lynched for no reason lmao

[timmer]

Well sprityo what did you do?

ive done nothing except oh idk, lynch jack yesterday

anything specific you want to know?

I'm pretty sure the accurate statement would be that DH lynched Jack, lol, not you.

[Lunalee]

I don't really like my vote on Mac, but I don't know who to move it to now. Help.

Also [mention]poutanko[/mention] why are you voting for me?

[poutanko]

This is the only thing that confuses me about you and Colin. I know we're down to one scum, so you can't both be bad. But you supposedly got an innocent read on Colin. First, the chances of having two divination users who are both town in this game are already slim. And second, if town was really and truly blessed with two cops, then why would you be targeted twice to get two bogus reads? And if it was so easy to mess with your reads, why not keep you as an active cop, and keep giving you bogus reads? There's too much that doesn't make since here.

The tone of this post sounds like you're pointing your finger at me. The bolded part bothers me because:
>You said you didn't counterclaim me D4 because DDL told you it's possible.
>If you believe it's slim then why didn't you check me N4 or N5? Instead you went with DH and then Kara.
>You went as far as voting me to get lynched last DP along with Jack, a scum.

You said we're down to 1 scum followed by me and Colin can't both be bad. Are you implying to say that 1 of us has to be bad? Have you forgotten the fact that if not for DH shoving some sense on people last DP, I would have been dead? Either Colin is scum or both Colin and me are town.

More likely Jack's team mate voting the same as him. I was the one voted on to save his ass. You and Colin both voted me with Jack.

You said why would scums targeted me twice to get bogus read while there's a possibility of my target getting dodo'ed. Or Secret. I still don't know what happened to Speed 2.0 and Quin's results.

You're right. Our options are:
You're scum and Colin is town (doesn't seem likely, but still an option)
You're town and Colin is scum (which seems to be your standing, correct?)
You're town and Colin is town (in which case I'm at a loss of who to vote).

Also I've been meaning to ask, what makes you so willing to discredit your own cop check on Colin?

I don't

Colin sounds to be genuinely frustrated.

Higher possibility of it being correct check.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

[poutanko]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]
N1 - Bullz scum
N2 - Colin town
N3 - Jay no result, obliviated

[poutanko]

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]Lunalee[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]sprityo[/mention] [mention]timmer[/mention] Any of you targeted Jay N3 and got a result? I wonder if Jay has Thestral resulting in me getting no result (instead of me getting blocked).

[sprityo]

Pout, i roleblocked Jay on night 3

[poutanko]

Pout, i roleblocked Jay on night 3

Was talking about any action that has clear result

[sprityo]

(not that it matters i mean)

linki: yeah yeah

[poutanko]

If the Horcrux isn't Sprityo then in my view:

- Mac
- Colin
- Nutella because I dunno if I buy "I forgot that Colin offered to block the mafia, and I blocked Colin lol oops"

woah, I missed that last point. That really doesn't look good for nutella.

What do you think of Nutella's and Mac's night action claim on Colin?

There are several posts talking about it at the beginning of the day and I even asked you about it.

[poutanko]

I don't really like my vote on Mac, but I don't know who to move it to now. Help.

Also @poutanko why are you voting for me?

I think it's between Colin and Luna too given their stance on voting me with Jack.

And you're trying to twist my word about my stance on Colin. Also previously saying the possibility of 2 town cops to be slim yet didn't counterclaim me D4 and didn't check me 2 nights in a row

[timmer]

I don't really like my vote on Mac, but I don't know who to move it to now. Help.

Also @poutanko why are you voting for me?

I'd like to just say here that Mac is a near-guaranteed civ imho. He did something earlier in the game that only a civ would do, no two ways about it. I'm not going to say what, though. But... anyone who trusts me should also trust Mac, at this point.

[juliets]

@ColinIsCool @DharmaHelper @juliets @Lunalee @MacDougall @nutella @sprityo @timmer Any of you targeted Jay N3 and got a result? I wonder if Jay has Thestral resulting in me getting no result (instead of me getting blocked).

No, I used my one-time only Phoenix on N3 to razz TH and got INH instead

[Lunalee]

I don't really like my vote on Mac, but I don't know who to move it to now. Help.

Also @poutanko why are you voting for me?

I'd like to just say here that Mac is a near-guaranteed civ imho. He did something earlier in the game that only a civ would do, no two ways about it. I'm not going to say what, though. But... anyone who trusts me should also trust Mac, at this point.

I get that mac looks town, but who's bad then?

[Lunalee]

I don't really like my vote on Mac, but I don't know who to move it to now. Help.

Also @poutanko why are you voting for me?

I think it's between Colin and Luna too given their stance on voting me with Jack.

And you're trying to twist my word about my stance on Colin. Also previously saying the possibility of 2 town cops to be slim yet didn't counterclaim me D4 and didn't check me 2 nights in a row

I just asked you why you are willing to vote Colin after you copped him and got town. I'm not twisting your words, just trying to understand your though process a bit better. I didn't claim until I did because I was getting checks and didn't want to get lynched. If you'll notice, I used my town-firms to steer the conversation in the thread the best I could without revealing anything. The reason I didn't cop you was because your tone sounded very town, and there were other players I suspected more than you.

[nutella]

Pout, i roleblocked Jay on night 3

Lol

[poutanko]

I just asked you why you are willing to vote Colin after you copped him and got town. I'm not twisting your words, just trying to understand your though process a bit better. I didn't claim until I did because I was getting checks and didn't want to get lynched. If you'll notice, I used my town-firms to steer the conversation in the thread the best I could without revealing anything. The reason I didn't cop you was because your tone sounded very town, and there were other players I suspected more than you.

...I never vote him

[poutanko]

Pout, i roleblocked Jay on night 3

Wait... Thestral and RB which one is the priority? [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]

[timmer]

I get that mac looks town, but who's bad then?

I'll try to rank (I generally hate rainbow lists etc.)

In order of badness

1. Sprityo
2. Colin

big gap

3. poutanko

gap

4. nutella
5. juliets 2.0

big gap

6. Luna
7. DH
8. Mac

[nutella]

I get that mac looks town, but who's bad then?

I'll try to rank (I generally hate rainbow lists etc.)

In order of badness

1. Sprityo
2. Colin

big gap

3. poutanko

gap

4. nutella
5. juliets 2.0

big gap

6. Luna
7. DH
8. Mac

I think I missed why you're so sure about Luna?

[nutella]

Also I don't understand the mac-timmer thing at all but I believe it

[nutella]

Oh wait maybe I might almost kinda get it lol

[timmer]

I guess I've never really laid out a big case supporting her, but I feel like she's played a pro-town game all game, provided reads, cop results that don't seem all fucky-uppy... basically if there is a serious case against her, I'll need to seriously reread it because I'm not seeing it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Pout, i roleblocked Jay on night 3

Wait... Thestral and RB which one is the priority? Dragon D. Luffy

Threstal

Same as Diricawl I think. The logic is that these self-abilities that protect the user from everything should also protect from roleblocks.

[poutanko]

I get that mac looks town, but who's bad then?

I'll try to rank (I generally hate rainbow lists etc.)

In order of badness

1. Sprityo
2. Colin

big gap

3. poutanko

gap

4. nutella
5. juliets 2.0

big gap

6. Luna
7. DH
8. Mac

I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

[timmer]

I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.

[nutella]

I guess I've never really laid out a big case supporting her, but I feel like she's played a pro-town game all game, provided reads, cop results that don't seem all fucky-uppy... basically if there is a serious case against her, I'll need to seriously reread it because I'm not seeing it.

This doesn't seem sufficient for her placement on your list imo. Her cop checks weren't great imo and would make sense as mafia checking those players' abilities.

[poutanko]

I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.

...I don't get it

[nutella]

I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.

...I don't get it

I saved you bish

[juliets]

I get that mac looks town, but who's bad then?

I'll try to rank (I generally hate rainbow lists etc.)

In order of badness

1. Sprityo
2. Colin

big gap

3. poutanko

gap

4. nutella
5. juliets 2.0

big gap

6. Luna
7. DH
8. Mac

So you think there is a big gap between me and the top of your list? Coolio.

[poutanko]

I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.

...I don't get it

I saved you bish

Lol I know you saved me. Have to question you since your block on Colin (and someone mentioning the possibility of you being Jack's team mate trying to look good by voting him knowing he couldn't be lynched)

[poutanko]

Now that I think again, no reason for you to claim to block Colin if you're scum

[nutella]

I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.

...I don't get it

I saved you bish

Lol I know you saved me. Have to question you since your block on Colin (and someone mentioning the possibility of you being Jack's team mate trying to look good by voting him knowing he couldn't be lynched)

That's precisely what we're saying sprityo is guilty of

[poutanko]

I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.

...I don't get it

I saved you bish

Lol I know you saved me. Have to question you since your block on Colin (and someone mentioning the possibility of you being Jack's team mate trying to look good by voting him knowing he couldn't be lynched)

That's precisely what we're saying sprityo is guilty of

Wasn't he an early voter? He said there were 6 votes on me 2 on Jack, for what reason he voted Jack if he's not in danger of getting lynched?

[nutella]

Now that I think again, no reason for you to claim to block Colin if you're scum

what do you think of sprityo claiming to have blocked Jay on night 3? I don't remember him ever expressing suspicion of Jay

[nutella]

I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.

...I don't get it

I saved you bish

Lol I know you saved me. Have to question you since your block on Colin (and someone mentioning the possibility of you being Jack's team mate trying to look good by voting him knowing he couldn't be lynched)

That's precisely what we're saying sprityo is guilty of

Wasn't he an early voter? He said there were 6 votes on me 2 on Jack, for what reason he voted Jack if he's not in danger of getting lynched?

Right but I think either he felt that was still a safe distance and wanted to look like he wasn't on the wrong side of history if you died and flipped town, or that was part of his plan to make it look like a natural turn on Jack/so that he could point to it later. Reread his posts from earlier today where he defends this point-- it looks like a conveniently prepared answer to me.

[poutanko]

basically if there is a serious case against her, I'll need to seriously reread it because I'm not seeing it.

Someone mentioned this before:
She voted Glorf and stayed on him during LC v Glorf wagon near EoD3.
Voted me and stayed during Jack v me wagon EoD5.

[nutella]

The two biggest points in Luna's favor imo are (1) her claim saved Sloonei and was basically the pivotal point in turning the lynch away from him (which ultimately culminated in catching scum, so why wouldn't the scum just sit and let the easy Sloonei lynch happen) and (b) her huge kerfuffle with INH (would have to be a major distancing act)

[poutanko]

what do you think of sprityo claiming to have blocked Jay on night 3? I don't remember him ever expressing suspicion of Jay

No reason for him to claim that either, it helped nothing. He's getting most votes already

Right but I think either he felt that was still a safe distance and wanted to look like he wasn't on the wrong side of history if you died and flipped town, or that was part of his plan to make it look like a natural turn on Jack/so that he could point to it later. Reread his posts from earlier today where he defends this point-- it looks like a conveniently prepared answer to me.

...oh right...didn't see it that way before.

[poutanko]

The two biggest points in Luna's favor imo are (1) her claim saved Sloonei and was basically the pivotal point in turning the lynch away from him (which ultimately culminated in catching scum, so why wouldn't the scum just sit and let the easy Sloonei lynch happen) and (b) her huge kerfuffle with INH (would have to be a major distancing act)

Did she ever pull such tactic before? How many games have you seen her as scum?

[nutella]

The two biggest points in Luna's favor imo are (1) her claim saved Sloonei and was basically the pivotal point in turning the lynch away from him (which ultimately culminated in catching scum, so why wouldn't the scum just sit and let the easy Sloonei lynch happen) and (b) her huge kerfuffle with INH (would have to be a major distancing act)

Did she ever pull such tactic before? How many games have you seen her as scum?

A handful of times but I don't remember specifically whether she hardbussed or anything, I'd have to go back and research (though I think someone said that INH is very unlikely to treat a teammate how he treated Luna in this game as well). What I do remember about her bad games is that I've caught her pretty early on a couple times and like I said earlier in the game I'm not getting any of the style pings, but idk how much that holds.

[poutanko]

[mention]nutella[/mention] thoughts on MacD and Timmer? How familiar are you with their scum play?