The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:13 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:11 pm i think that day 7 is a decent cut off for mafia games to end, has a previous GoC game went beyond day 7?
I think last year’s went to like Day 9.

This opposition to long games shall not stand.

day 9 is not the end of the world

ppl just lose motivation to play if it goes further than day 7 i think - example shadow corridors where pretty much everyone just wanted the game to end and be free

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:15 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:11 pm i think that day 7 is a decent cut off for mafia games to end, has a previous GoC game went beyond day 7?
it's still day negative three, calm down

i was just asking a question and im also interested in game design and balance?

i think that sloonei isn't teammates with nutella and that he also is getting fooled by nutella / he levelled himself too much

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 6:11 pm Asking Radishes why he is cynical is like asking Tutuu why she is cute.

asking tim why he is kind is like asking ... i think i messed it up ... its like asking tim why he is so kind. wait

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:01 pm Can we give Dodo a hug?

can always give dodo a hug

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:28 pm I disagree cuz I'm a unique individual with my own thoughts and interpretation of events
What is your unique interpretation and why do you have it?
Well I can't say that my interpretation is unique, as others may have it, I know not.

Alison is wolf. Her 3P claim a gambit that other players will look at her claim and think to themselves "no way Maf would do that", as you yourself have already said.

Michelle is wolf cuz she made up her read on Essoa, who isn't playing. Ya, I know what she said, its a mixup from other games she's involved in, but I don't buy it

falcon town (i think)

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:42 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:42 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine
tutuu and syn best power wolf team

they will never see it coming

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:44 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:28 pm I disagree cuz I'm a unique individual with my own thoughts and interpretation of events
What is your unique interpretation and why do you have it?
Well I can't say that my interpretation is unique, as others may have it, I know not.

Alison is wolf. Her 3P claim a gambit that other players will look at her claim and think to themselves "no way Maf would do that", as you yourself have already said.

Michelle is wolf cuz she made up her read on Essoa, who isn't playing. Ya, I know what she said, its a mixup from other games she's involved in, but I don't buy it
falcon town (i think)
Explain please and thanks

i believe and like his conviction and strength that falcon is expressing in that post of his

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:03 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:58 pm Tutuu voting Nutella yeah Tutuu is probably just mafia in this here game honestly.
Do you townread Nutella? Why does Tutuu voting there look bad?
Firstly, yesish.

Secondly, town Tutuu is one of our regular consensus hivemind types. She doesn't yolo onto Nutella. Town Tutuu is not someone I would ever envision to lead a case on someone like Nutella.

regular consensus hivemind types what de fack

i have had games where i felt like sheeping - sure

i have had games where i felt like playing and i had my own reads and insisted on them

recently i have been in a less of a sheepy mood

what does "someone like nutella" even mean

i lead the charge against scum!nutella in friends and enemies and i was town and she was mafia and we killed her day 1

what are u even saying

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:04 pm Case in point, I am pretty sure town Tutuu has literally never voted for me in any game. I expect she'd deal with Nutella along the same lines.

i havent scumread you in any game, i have scumead and voted for nutella and tried to kill her really hard in two games that i can think of. one time she was mafia one time she was town

your image of me as some kind of sheep thats incapable of playing as town is absurd and obviously wrong

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:43 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:04 pm Case in point, I am pretty sure town Tutuu has literally never voted for me in any game. I expect she'd deal with Nutella along the same lines.
i havent scumread you in any game, i have scumead and voted for nutella and tried to kill her really hard in two games that i can think of. one time she was mafia one time she was town

your image of me as some kind of sheep thats incapable of playing as town is absurd and obviously wrong
I wouldn't go as far as to call you a sheep but certainly someone who when town enjoys aligning with her friends and errs on that side.

i would advise you to not put people in little boxes like this. just because you have seen this type of behavior that doesn't mean that people are one dimensional characters that are capable of only exhibiting this behavior and don't get different moods / dont improve or grow up. u boxing in them and interpreting anything different as "this is different therefore its a lie" - is lazy of you if you're town. maybe its subjective to call it lazy but i can at least state thats i know its wrong

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=20 ... d=737&ch=0

here is my ISO from bike mafia where i was town and i was the opposite of "err to enjoy aligning with her friends"

you dont have to skim it but you have evidence placed in front of u that clearly contradicts your wrong interpretation of me, if you further interpret me wrong because you've decided to "stereotype" me then thats on you

i am clearly taking concept with your wrong interpretation of my meta, not with meta itself

concern

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:54 pm Rather than attacking the entire concept of using meta to read someone, you could have just as easily pointed out that in fact you have pushed and caught nut so I could correct what I thought I knew which is now demonstrably incorrect.

i have a better idea

you could have read my posts with greater attention

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:43 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:04 pm Case in point, I am pretty sure town Tutuu has literally never voted for me in any game. I expect she'd deal with Nutella along the same lines.
i havent scumread you in any game, i have scumead and voted for nutella and tried to kill her really hard in two games that i can think of. one time she was mafia one time she was town

your image of me as some kind of sheep thats incapable of playing as town is absurd and obviously wrong
I wouldn't go as far as to call you a sheep but certainly someone who when town enjoys aligning with her friends and errs on that side.
i would advise you to not put people in little boxes like this. just because you have seen this type of behavior that doesn't mean that people are one dimensional characters that are capable of only exhibiting this behavior and don't get different moods / dont improve or grow up. u boxing in them and interpreting anything different as "this is different therefore its a lie" - is lazy of you if you're town. maybe its subjective to call it lazy but i can at least state thats i know its wrong

look at this chain of quotes

look at the second post in this chain, that belongs to me

look what i say about nutella

ive clearly told you that you are wrong about my interpretation of my meta first, and then i spoke of the put in boxes things after your response

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:00 pm where are you going with this?

i am responding to you

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:02 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:00 pm where are you going with this?
i am responding to you
yes, but what outcome are you hoping to achieve?

correcting your misunderstandings, correcting false stuff being spoken about me, the desire for which should be obvious

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:16 pm Imagine nutella thinking she can read me

So cute

what about mac scumreading you? if he's still scumreading you not hundred percent sure

cat wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:25 am
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:50 pmnutella is wolfin'
Do you have an explanation for this? Why is this your only read and who did you steal it from?
If you had no reads at all it would be very towny but this sticks out as a sore thumb.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

i have to reach but there are 0 scummy posts posted itt fmpov so im aiming at this

perhaps cat could be scum for pre-emptively explaining "If you had no reads at all it would be very towny but this sticks out as a sore thumb." to his scumread syn

perhaps, if one was town, its more likely that they wouldnt pre-emptively "reveal their hand" like this to a scumread of theirs

i thought mbti too

entp squad hi5

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:00 pmMac has EAD.
Erectile abnormal dysfunction?
Excessive Abbreviation Disorder.
NAITC!

Not An Issue To Cucumber

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:06 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:01 pmentp squad hi5
I think I remember you saying you were ENFP right?

i think i was wrong / maybe it can change i dunno

i cant / dont want to back off from debates or arguments atm so i think T

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:08 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:07 pm Nutella being horribly wrong trying to read me is >rand town yeah

that face is so derpy and goofy LMAO hahahhahaha i just imagined nook saying this irl and then nutella making this face irl

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:11 pm Oh you guys use the 16personalities names for the types in that poll thread. 16personalities is MBTI for normies that don't actually know what MBTI is. (okay I have a grudge against 16personalities after leaving that forum community)

fuck them if u hate them then we hate them too

fuck 16personalities forum community

same where does this even grow

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:17 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:16 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:12 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:11 pm Oh you guys use the 16personalities names for the types in that poll thread. 16personalities is MBTI for normies that don't actually know what MBTI is. (okay I have a grudge against 16personalities after leaving that forum community)
fuck them if u hate them then we hate them too

fuck 16personalities forum community

I mean I spent like 3 years there and the environment just turned not good. There were a lot of cliques and mean people, also the moderation was absurdly strict on some things like not allowing any discussion of non-MBTI personality theories and permabanning 2 people because they said MBTI wasn't scientific.
But hey, without them turning bad I wouldn't have joined PerC and found forum mafia and by extension I wouldn't be here.

we're all on our own journeys and thats ... (i cant find the adverb). like. space water. space water in cosmos, drugs, soothing, melody, atmosphere, mood. u know.

yea

agree on the tim townread but lol multiball (potentially)

ur a very kind person nutella

i think the best way to form reads is to look at not only who's being towny but also who's being so towny that they would attract a night kill + non w/w interactions

but doing these things would net u dead which is bad for town if ur town and since multiball (if it is) games break the very concept of the original mafia game (uninformed majority vs informed minority), i think the correct approach is to think that if you are "town" you are just part of one of the tribes, and u should kind of play similarly to scum in the sense that self-preservation as town could be an important part just like old school syndicate games where night killed people werent given wins, therefore its suboptimal for one to do the optimal approach of solving the game (assuming that all of my opinions are correct)

in conclusion: i have no conclusion i am just in one of my pessimistic moods and i could be biased and im just overflowing with pessimism but sometimes its accurate and correct but i cant trust myself to know always if its correct or incorrect to trust. yeah. sorry for wasting ur time if u read this post

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine i had this on my mind before slooni voted; i was afraid to vote because my last game with tony i tunneled him very hard and i was wrong

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

But this must be done

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:40 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:35 pm i think the best way to form reads is to look at not only who's being towny but also who's being so towny that they would attract a night kill + non w/w interactions

but doing these things would net u dead which is bad for town if ur town and since multiball (if it is) games break the very concept of the original mafia game (uninformed majority vs informed minority), i think the correct approach is to think that if you are "town" you are just part of one of the tribes, and u should kind of play similarly to scum in the sense that self-preservation as town could be an important part just like old school syndicate games where night killed people werent given wins, therefore its suboptimal for one to do the optimal approach of solving the game (assuming that all of my opinions are correct)

in conclusion: i have no conclusion i am just in one of my pessimistic moods and i could be biased and im just overflowing with pessimism but sometimes its accurate and correct but i cant trust myself to know always if its correct or incorrect to trust. yeah. sorry for wasting ur time if u read this post
That makes the game a whole lot harder to read, and I feel like a large portion of us don't even need to hold back our town games to avoid an NK. Scum will then also hold back their games and on balance it will be the same as if nobody held back their games but there's less info being generated.

Fair

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:43 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:40 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

But this must be done
You are the true non coward spinning anime girl. You deserve head pats.

i feel bad that im voting you and you're giving me compliments T_T

im rly sorry that i pressed vote wilgy (if ur town)

but if ur not town im not sorry

ily slooni

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

how about making alison give abilities to non-consensus-townreads? people that are in the middle of everyone's reads?

because townread people are already incentivized to die, and with their death goes the permanent powerboost from alison

so making alison turn null people into trackers, and then forcing those people to out their tracking result could produce some good content to solve alignments from, no?

even if we are worried that people might lie, it will still technically solve and produce content

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:54 pm how about making alison give abilities to non-consensus-townreads? people that are in the middle of everyone's reads?

because townread people are already incentivized to die, and with their death goes the permanent powerboost from alison

so making alison turn null people into trackers, and then forcing those people to out their tracking result could produce some good content to solve alignments from, no?

even if we are worried that people might lie, it will still technically solve and produce content

eh nvm. they could just come up with non-incriminating tracking results. and we cant leash the track because leashing tracks doesnt work.

so probably correct to give alison a pool of towny ppl to choose from, but not people that are obvious night kills for the first few nights

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:54 pm how about making alison give abilities to non-consensus-townreads? people that are in the middle of everyone's reads?

because townread people are already incentivized to die, and with their death goes the permanent powerboost from alison

so making alison turn null people into trackers, and then forcing those people to out their tracking result could produce some good content to solve alignments from, no?

even if we are worried that people might lie, it will still technically solve and produce content
I don't really understand what her role is or how it works, but this feels like it's a good line of thought.

she permanently gives powers, the most town-related one i saw was tracker. she can permanently make people trackers

alison probably just getting soup killed n1 honestly lets be real lol. the OP warned about claiming your role. whatevs

oooh actually i just remembered - tim absolutely town without shadow of a doubt. he jumped on slooni cuz of the perceived TMI slip from slooni about mafia teams alternating night kills. if tim was mafia and that was the case i think more likely he would assume thats the standard and sloonei would know. i dont think he would think to jump so fast. so tim lock town innocent child if there are in fact alternating night kills

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:24 pm Hyena might be town here actually. There is some information rocking around in my brain that says that this is his town meta.
in 2 words or less can you please describe the difference between Hyena's town meta and wolf meta?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:05 pm for me? please? love you

okay ur mafia im actually serious. super confident ur mafia. ur mafia. i think u popped in and tried to look towny. ur mafia

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

i have n0 mafia peek on kylemii im a n0 cop if i choose to out it i die at eod i sacrifice myself for the greater good vote kylemii he's outed mafia

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:05 am hey are soup kills common or even possible in closed setup games

i would say there is likely punishment for claiming your role, maybe not necessarily strongman killed but if the OP suggests that we should be weary about it then. maybe

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

You are outed Mafia.

I should stop being so towny.

Member of the opposite Mafia from my team (you know who you are) - DO NOT KILL ME. I AM TRYING TO GO DEEP. WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS THEY'RE LOW THIS GAME IS TOWNSIDED AS FUCK. KILL SOMEBODY ELSE, NOT ME PLEASE. I AM NOT A THREAT TO YOU.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:15 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:11 am [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

You are outed Mafia.
Options:

A) Just sheep Tutuu

B) Actually read game

C) ISO Tutuu and look for explanation

D) Ask Tutuu for explanation

E) Make obscure post hoping Tutuu is prompted to explain

Looks like E) was the correct choice!

I think "this is a reaction test, no way anyone is scumreading me rn" is a line I have said multiple times as scum or at least I've considered saying it and I don't think I've said it as town that much.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:14 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:54 pm how about making alison give abilities to non-consensus-townreads? people that are in the middle of everyone's reads?

because townread people are already incentivized to die, and with their death goes the permanent powerboost from alison

so making alison turn null people into trackers, and then forcing those people to out their tracking result could produce some good content to solve alignments from, no?

even if we are worried that people might lie, it will still technically solve and produce content

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:56 pm Hmm is a placeholder for i dont actually want to have to think about this but other people should
i don't think you want my input

but hey if it can help solve me or whatever it is with Alison's ability-giving-ability

then maybe we should be all-ears?

That or we can end me for lack of benefit at some point in the future

this post so town

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:23 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:06 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:24 pm Hyena might be town here actually. There is some information rocking around in my brain that says that this is his town meta.
in 2 words or less can you please describe the difference between Hyena's town meta and wolf meta?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:05 pm for me? please? love you
okay ur mafia im actually serious. super confident ur mafia. ur mafia. i think u popped in and tried to look towny. ur mafia

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine
while I haven't been in the game much

to me it looks like this could fail for two reasons

1) They could be very silly or its just a personalized way of reacting to stuff
2) "Look towny" is a very broad thing because there are so many ways one can be town but not look it and vice versa

so how come they are your biggest scum out of the 27 players so far

is there like more evidence than just 1 single thing is what I would like to know more tbh

nah theres no more evidence

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